@@mrosskne They are all singing low notes but you can here a "voice" singing much higher than everyone else right at that moment. This is an overtone which is a beautiful phenomenon in music. I thinks it's the result of certain frequencies sounding together and your brain picks it up as its own distinct frequency.
@jlabfh755 What @fastragger meant is that is that the overtones aren't "created", they already exist in each person's sound: an overtone is just another word for a harmonic (sound frequencies that are multiples of the pitch frequency). When people sing in tune, they position their pitches in a particular configuration that enables their (already existing) overtones to start overlapping, hereby making these overtones more audible. The sung vowel will also affect overtones (the "formants").
@@mrosskne It’s really there! I’ve been to a few chorale concerts and once in a while I can hear the overtones whenever the choir hits the pitch spot on.
This is a very old video, I know, but I am curious to know something about this. Is it possible to so perfectly tune overtones so that they harmonize with each other as well as with the chords being sung? So as to mean that if several different overtones are purposely being produced at once, if that is possible, could you tune them to a chord themselves?
@trudbol Finally someone who understasnds the physics of sound! XD I will say this though, each and every person must "create" their overtones before being able to overlap them. Some of the best leads like Tony De Rosa have audible overtones in their lone voices. Barbershop is a funny beast, kind of a fusion of jazz and eastern harmonic overtone singing.
@@mrosskne This was back before youtube had a proper reply system and the only way to speak was to @ them, this no longer works outside of a reply chain and so any old comments are now broken and you can't find who they were speaking too, combine that with name changes, possible deleted comments due to updated automatic comment filtering systems by youtube and there's a good chance you'll never find out.
Are we talking harmonics here?! Once you can open up the sound to access those, you have the spacy feeling and if everybody does it then you get matched sounds
It’s an auditory illusion that is created called overtone notes. At 0:45 you can hear a high note. No one is actually singing that note, your head is hallucinating the note as a result of the perfect intonation combined with the perfectly spaced interval
wow - are harmonics and overtones the same thing? but it sounds like harmonics to me - lots of open fifths there and low fundamentals? I can shape my mouth so that people can hear the beginning of the harmonic series - the 5th is the first one you hear,
@@talkingvoice8168 no they aren’t the same thing, but overtones are caused by harmonies, most commonly by 5ths. The channel Sideways has a video explaining the theory behind overtones and he even features this video (thats how I found it lol)
@@Curly_479 overtones aren't an auditory illusion.... they are a real pitch that is sounding. all soundwaves create overtones which are sin wave functions of their original graph. it's math. the overtones are actual frequencies that are sounding. you can amplify them by being more in tune or changing the sound of your mouth. orchestras also produce heavy overtones when they are perfectly in tune
Barbershop isn't exactly overtone singing, however. I've done overtone singing and barbershop singing. Barbershop, because of how the chords are written and where the sound is placed, is meant to produce certain overtones. And it's not just leads that have audible overtones in their lone voices. That really just comes from placing their voice correctly, with the correct vowel shape and space. I must admit, it's easier to produce overtones in Barbershop singing rather than overtone singing.
I think overtone singing as in solo singing is more commonly known as harmonics (as you would produce with a guitar by means of isolating the top vibrations of a note) whereas overtone singing is known to be the group effect of producing extra notes from perfect harmony OVER the existing parts. It is actually quite difficult to produce as perfect tuning is required for the brain to produce overtones based on the sum and difference of the existing note frequencies, so if you are even a few hertz out of perfect tuning, the overtone cannot be heard.
@@ethandeister6567 wdym overtones arent auditory illusions, they are real soundwaves that are produced by the harmonic series. overtones are just functions of the sin wave of a frequency. these pitches are ACTUALLY happening.
Who's here from sideways
I sure is.
Me.👋🏿
Whats sideways?
@@bhsbass Music UA-cam channel
@@bhsbass he's a popular music theory youtuber that used this video as am example to explain something in one of his videos :)
the moment that guy on the front row looks up at 0:45 when the overtone locks in is amazing
what does this mean?
@@mrosskne They are all singing low notes but you can here a "voice" singing much higher than everyone else right at that moment. This is an overtone which is a beautiful phenomenon in music. I thinks it's the result of certain frequencies sounding together and your brain picks it up as its own distinct frequency.
@jlabfh755 What @fastragger meant is that is that the overtones aren't "created", they already exist in each person's sound: an overtone is just another word for a harmonic (sound frequencies that are multiples of the pitch frequency). When people sing in tune, they position their pitches in a particular configuration that enables their (already existing) overtones to start overlapping, hereby making these overtones more audible. The sung vowel will also affect overtones (the "formants").
what's an overtone?
Loch Lomond. A beautiful song.
The basses though
yes, there are basses in the group, very astute
Amazing harmonies.
Wow! I wish we spent as much time working our overtones like this!
OMG I can hear it!!
hear what?
@@mrosskne The overtone! 🤩
@@mrosskne Starting from around 0:45 you should be able to hear a D5.
@@geraldkiing1904 lol? might wanna lay off the shrooms bud
@@mrosskne It’s really there! I’ve been to a few chorale concerts and once in a while I can hear the overtones whenever the choir hits the pitch spot on.
This is a very old video, I know, but I am curious to know something about this. Is it possible to so perfectly tune overtones so that they harmonize with each other as well as with the chords being sung? So as to mean that if several different overtones are purposely being produced at once, if that is possible, could you tune them to a chord themselves?
Mini_Marauder yes
Yep. You can test out overtones on a piano or guitar. Many videos on how to get overtones/(artificial) harmonics
Great lifetime respect!
sounds like someone is just trying to skew with everyone and sing higher.
It's actually an auditory ilusion, your brain is creating those notes
The notes are really there. It isn't an illusion. They are bringing out tones that naturally vibrate as a part of the fundamental tone
Yeah, the harmonic series exists in nature. The overtones are real
No guy can do that, also that's not a human voice.
if that was the case you'd be able to hear a note of some kind
So awesome. Wish I lived in St. Louis.
Textbook examples of overtones.
Yes, he does. You can see him at 1:10 on the front row in a black T-shirt with a white decal on it.
he does what?
@trudbol Finally someone who understasnds the physics of sound! XD I will say this though, each and every person must "create" their overtones before being able to overlap them. Some of the best leads like Tony De Rosa have audible overtones in their lone voices. Barbershop is a funny beast, kind of a fusion of jazz and eastern harmonic overtone singing.
who are you talking to?
@@mrosskne This was back before youtube had a proper reply system and the only way to speak was to @ them, this no longer works outside of a reply chain and so any old comments are now broken and you can't find who they were speaking too, combine that with name changes, possible deleted comments due to updated automatic comment filtering systems by youtube and there's a good chance you'll never find out.
Wow I guess my ears are really shitty.
Brandon guyton is there to!
Are we talking harmonics here?! Once you can open up the sound to access those, you have the spacy feeling and if everybody does it then you get matched sounds
It’s an auditory illusion that is created called overtone notes. At 0:45 you can hear a high note. No one is actually singing that note, your head is hallucinating the note as a result of the perfect intonation combined with the perfectly spaced interval
wow - are harmonics and overtones the same thing? but it sounds like harmonics to me - lots of open fifths there and low fundamentals? I can shape my mouth so that people can hear the beginning of the harmonic series - the 5th is the first one you hear,
@@talkingvoice8168 no they aren’t the same thing, but overtones are caused by harmonies, most commonly by 5ths. The channel Sideways has a video explaining the theory behind overtones and he even features this video (thats how I found it lol)
@@Curly_479 what high note?
@@Curly_479 overtones aren't an auditory illusion.... they are a real pitch that is sounding. all soundwaves create overtones which are sin wave functions of their original graph. it's math. the overtones are actual frequencies that are sounding. you can amplify them by being more in tune or changing the sound of your mouth. orchestras also produce heavy overtones when they are perfectly in tune
How I miss being on the risers.
@powerofiandi oh, yeah, the chord before it is a nice minor second. Maybe the timestamp was off :)
Barbershop isn't exactly overtone singing, however. I've done overtone singing and barbershop singing. Barbershop, because of how the chords are written and where the sound is placed, is meant to produce certain overtones. And it's not just leads that have audible overtones in their lone voices. That really just comes from placing their voice correctly, with the correct vowel shape and space. I must admit, it's easier to produce overtones in Barbershop singing rather than overtone singing.
I think overtone singing as in solo singing is more commonly known as harmonics (as you would produce with a guitar by means of isolating the top vibrations of a note) whereas overtone singing is known to be the group effect of producing extra notes from perfect harmony OVER the existing parts. It is actually quite difficult to produce as perfect tuning is required for the brain to produce overtones based on the sum and difference of the existing note frequencies, so if you are even a few hertz out of perfect tuning, the overtone cannot be heard.
who are you talking to?
Who made this arrangement of Loch Lomond
Is the overtone the same pitch one of them sings at 0:32?
4:25 Tim is the one closest to Jim Henry wearing black.
who?
@ImBradMusic Nah, just a perfect 4th.
2:35 tritone? What is that?
What song are they singing
Loch Lomond.
Anyone have the score for this arrangement?
Does David Wright sing with these guys?
3:33 :)
who?
I don't hear a crap. Is it high D at 0:50?
that's because there's nothing to hear.
@@ethandeister6567 wdym overtones arent auditory illusions, they are real soundwaves that are produced by the harmonic series. overtones are just functions of the sin wave of a frequency. these pitches are ACTUALLY happening.
sigh...