I watch both The New Statesman and the The Spectator UA-cam channels and it is encouraging to see such high standards of discussion from different political perspectives.
I’m continually disappointed and even saddened that even our excellent NS journalists can’t see further than trade deals and commerce. This is what has blighted our relationship with Europe right from the start in de Gaulle’s time! The idea of European countries forming a pact was always about avoiding another European war and it’s always been essentially a political idea since the Schumann Declaration in (I think) 1950. It has got bogged down with trade talks between UK and EU in recent years but they solved this on the Continent decades ago! Don’t forget it’s the largest free-trade area in the world. I thought it was absolutely wonderful that trucks could go from Scotland to Poland without necessarily needing passports and additional import/export papers. I thought it was wonderful that something made in the EU could be legally sold here and vice versa. I thought it was wonderful our children could easily wander off to study abroad, and theirs to come here and that we could easily exchange scientific ideas. But the main objective of the present enlarged EU is, and always was in its earlier smaller forms, political solidarity. Now, we desperately need that again. Europe and that small group of islands 20 miles off France will need to join together for defence. Not before time in my opinion. Talk of checking chickens and leeks misses the point entirely. The EU is a much bigger idea than our pathetically small-minded politicians seem able to grasp. Top journalists should be ahead of these dimwit politicians!
There is no evidence that large, amalgamated polities are more peaceful than smaller patchworks of separate states. The political amalgamation of the multiple German states into one large Germany didn’t bring peace, but prompted two World Wars. Giant China has been united (off and on) since 221 BC. During that time it has had various rebellions of incredible destructiveness. The An Lushan Rebellion may have killed as many as 36 million people; the Taiping Rebellion killed more people than World War One. More Americans died in the American Civil War than in either World War.
No thanks, we'll be fine without the UK's obstructionist behaviour. After all, it was the one nation constantly blocking deeper defense cooperation, screaming it was the tasknof Nato, not the EU. So Nato it is, while the EU can now finally integrate it's defense, it's industry, it's procurement. Leaving the UK outside, in their beloved Nato.
If you still think of "Europe" as a separate place "miles" away from these islands then you were perhaps not as on board with the project as you think you were in the first place.
UK debt, Borrowing since March has stands at £96.6bn, which is £1.1bn more than for the same period in 2023. The total amount the government owes is called the national debt. It is currently about £2.8 trillion - or £2,800,000,000, more than the entire yearly UK GDP
The EU accounted for 52% of UK imports in 2023 (55% of goods imports and 46% of services imports). he EU remains the UK's largest trade partner...HARD FACT
Germany's industrial model which was based on Russian energy supplies is now a non-functioning model and there is no new model on the horizon. France is impecunious. Hungary and Slovakia have pro-Putin leaders and Italy has an ambiguous attitude to Vlad. Spain has a leader who to remain in power has to deals with parties that are trying to break up Spain. So all is well in the E.U. then.
Budget, Chancellor Rachel Reeves once again blamed the Conservatives for leaving a "£22bn black hole" in the public finances.In the Withdrawal Agreement, it is officially referred to as the "financial settlement". As of July 2022, HM Treasury's estimate of the financial settlement when the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 was £30.2 billion (€34.8 billion).]
Marr's part of the problem here: one of many journalists who fell so far short of his public broadcaster remit of reality-based political analysis that he helped beget this Brexit mess.
The EU is made uo of 27 countires, Last week, the EU announced it had secured a trade agreement with South America's Mersocur bloc, which is made up of Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay, the trade deal creats a free treade area of 780 million people. SOMR MESS
Such a mess that former east European countries are about to overtake the UK on median income. Such a mess that most indicators are so much better than those of the UK. But of course, all you know is looking at gdp, without knowing what you're looking at.
"The EU is in a total mess at the moment" No. It's not at all. France and Germany might be, but if you can't tell the difference, your opinion is junk.
EU needs and wants Money. What Starmer wants he will pay for. Germany and France are finished. They havent got any money. The Commission need to pay their salaries and pensions. Starmer will oay.
In the Withdrawal Agreement, it is officially referred to as the "financial settlement". As of July 2022, HM Treasury's estimate of the financial settlement when the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 was £30.2 billion (€34.8 billion). German econmy is twice the size of UK, do some research and appear less stupid
It is my belief that Labour are setting their sights on having a better understanding with European countries which will benefit all concerned. I believe that the more eggs you throw into the cooking bowl at once will never work, you have to have a plan that will work.
Being optimistic about rejoining a trading bloc led by two huge economies already in recessions, who are also facing worse alongside serious political upheaval, is an odd thing to be optimistic about
EU is not just a trade bloc, it's essentially a federation that has its own parliament, can makes laws/can sanction, etc... It's not like NAFTA for example which is just a trade bloc.
@@ecnalms851the EU is a communist attempted state and as per usual its failing economically. We should of stayed as a common market. Not some unelected bureaucracy.
I have been wondering, If the Ukraine campaigne is successful whether the UK government may have arranged some sort of deal regarding food security or other benefits?
Where is Anoosh Chakelian? Is she coming back, has something happened to her or her baby? Why are podcast followers not allowed to know this. It’s surely not a State secret!
0:00 "Rachel Reeves met with European leaders ... " . I hate this 'Merkin "meet with" that the media have adopted. One meets Miss Fortune, but meets _with_ misfortune.
There won’t be any form of reset until the EU has grabbed back as much as they can. It’s a lose lose situation for us Brits. VOTE REFORM UK 🇬🇧 and stop this nonsense for once and for all.
Cant imagine they would want the UK now that Labour has started the first recession, we will have mass unemployment soon so if you have a job look after it
This is woeful reporting. Just do the right thing and call for labor to back going back into the free market and the customs union. The leave vote would not pass now and it has made us and our kids demonstrably poorer. You guys are as weak as the labor party. Show some spine.
@@j.4332 "Everyone i know voted Leave." That pegs you as a low achiever who doesn't know any professionals or graduates. You doctor voted leave? Seems unlikely. "No-one has changed their minds." You have to be a troll or a liar with that. Nobody believes that.
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I watch both The New Statesman and the The Spectator UA-cam channels and it is encouraging to see such high standards of discussion from different political perspectives.
It's hilariously one-sided.
Spectator has commentators like Douglas Murray, New Statesman has Andrew Marr. Hardly a comparison.
High standard?
Boy, you're not used to much are you.
I’m continually disappointed and even saddened that even our excellent NS journalists can’t see further than trade deals and commerce. This is what has blighted our relationship with Europe right from the start in de Gaulle’s time! The idea of European countries forming a pact was always about avoiding another European war and it’s always been essentially a political idea since the Schumann Declaration in (I think) 1950. It has got bogged down with trade talks between UK and EU in recent years but they solved this on the Continent decades ago!
Don’t forget it’s the largest free-trade area in the world. I thought it was absolutely wonderful that trucks could go from Scotland to Poland without necessarily needing passports and additional import/export papers. I thought it was wonderful that something made in the EU could be legally sold here and vice versa. I thought it was wonderful our children could easily wander off to study abroad, and theirs to come here and that we could easily exchange scientific ideas.
But the main objective of the present enlarged EU is, and always was in its earlier smaller forms, political solidarity. Now, we desperately need that again. Europe and that small group of islands 20 miles off France will need to join together for defence. Not before time in my opinion. Talk of checking chickens and leeks misses the point entirely. The EU is a much bigger idea than our pathetically small-minded politicians seem able to grasp. Top journalists should be ahead of these dimwit politicians!
I agree, I think the likes of Andrew Marr have their head hopelessly up their own backside.
There is no evidence that large, amalgamated polities are more peaceful than smaller patchworks of separate states. The political amalgamation of the multiple German states into one large Germany didn’t bring peace, but prompted two World Wars. Giant China has been united (off and on) since 221 BC. During that time it has had various rebellions of incredible destructiveness. The An Lushan Rebellion may have killed as many as 36 million people; the Taiping Rebellion killed more people than World War One. More Americans died in the American Civil War than in either World War.
@@rwo5402 Andrew Marr is a Brexiter
No thanks, we'll be fine without the UK's obstructionist behaviour.
After all, it was the one nation constantly blocking deeper defense cooperation, screaming it was the tasknof Nato, not the EU.
So Nato it is, while the EU can now finally integrate it's defense, it's industry, it's procurement.
Leaving the UK outside, in their beloved Nato.
If you still think of "Europe" as a separate place "miles" away from these islands then you were perhaps not as on board with the project as you think you were in the first place.
UK debt, Borrowing since March has stands at £96.6bn, which is £1.1bn more than for the same period in 2023. The total amount the government owes is called the national debt. It is currently about £2.8 trillion - or £2,800,000,000, more than the entire yearly UK GDP
The EU accounted for 52% of UK imports in 2023 (55% of goods imports and 46% of services imports).
he EU remains the UK's largest trade partner...HARD FACT
Germany's industrial model which was based on Russian energy supplies is now a non-functioning model and there is no new model on the horizon. France is impecunious. Hungary and Slovakia have pro-Putin leaders and Italy has an ambiguous attitude to Vlad. Spain has a leader who to remain in power has to deals with parties that are trying to break up Spain. So all is well in the E.U. then.
And most countries want to continue the war with Russia 🫢🫣
Budget, Chancellor Rachel Reeves once again blamed the Conservatives for leaving a "£22bn black hole" in the public finances.In the Withdrawal Agreement, it is officially referred to as the "financial settlement". As of July 2022, HM Treasury's estimate of the financial settlement when the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 was £30.2 billion (€34.8 billion).]
We already "reset" our relationship with the EU on 23/6/2016.Just a reminder.
That's why we need to reset it.
@@emm_arr We voted to screw off the EU.Starmer has no mandate to remotely move us back under their tyranny.
Someone needs to tell him we left
Marr's part of the problem here: one of many journalists who fell so far short of his public broadcaster remit of reality-based political analysis that he helped beget this Brexit mess.
The Germans and French in a total mess. Why bother with them?
The EU is in a total mess at the moment (just look at France and Germany), there is nothing to be gained by cosying up to it.
If you like expensive electricity it's the best place to be! 👍
The EU is made uo of 27 countires, Last week, the EU announced it had secured a trade agreement with South America's Mersocur bloc, which is made up of Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay, the trade deal creats a free treade area of 780 million people.
SOMR MESS
Such a mess that former east European countries are about to overtake the UK on median income.
Such a mess that most indicators are so much better than those of the UK. But of course, all you know is looking at gdp, without knowing what you're looking at.
"The EU is in a total mess at the moment"
No. It's not at all. France and Germany might be, but if you can't tell the difference, your opinion is junk.
EU needs and wants Money. What Starmer wants he will pay for. Germany and France are finished. They havent got any money. The Commission need to pay their salaries and pensions. Starmer will oay.
Haha, the projection of brexiteers and refuk voters like you reaches trumpian levels... I hope it makes you feel better at you tuck in at night.
In the Withdrawal Agreement, it is officially referred to as the "financial settlement". As of July 2022, HM Treasury's estimate of the financial settlement when the UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 was £30.2 billion (€34.8 billion). German econmy is twice the size of UK, do some research and appear less stupid
It is my belief that Labour are setting their sights on having a better understanding with European countries which will benefit all concerned. I believe that the more eggs you throw into the cooking bowl at once will never work, you have to have a plan that will work.
We desperately need the customs union
Actually freedom of movement works well for us if we stop worrying about the gammons.
@@bobbrown674and both fom and CU are off limits for you.
Being optimistic about rejoining a trading bloc led by two huge economies already in recessions, who are also facing worse alongside serious political upheaval, is an odd thing to be optimistic about
If only we could be a part of this amazing trade bloc… wait
What, a common market, that sounds like a really good idea 👏
Are you mad ? go read Mario Draghi report, its collapsing
EU is not just a trade bloc, it's essentially a federation that has its own parliament, can makes laws/can sanction, etc... It's not like NAFTA for example which is just a trade bloc.
@@ecnalms851 Indeed, they even call the countries in the EU as 'Member States', we all know that they are trying to build their own Tower of Babel.
@@ecnalms851the EU is a communist attempted state and as per usual its failing economically. We should of stayed as a common market. Not some unelected bureaucracy.
I have been wondering, If the Ukraine campaigne is successful whether the UK government may have arranged some sort of deal regarding food security or other benefits?
If the Ukraine campaign is successful, Ukraine will join the EU, and its trade with the UK will be decided in Brussels.
The war’s over 💤
Where is Anoosh Chakelian? Is she coming back, has something happened to her or her baby? Why are podcast followers not allowed to know this. It’s surely not a State secret!
No one cares about England, they voted to go, so go, don't keep harping on about brexit, no one cares.
Keir Starmer? Progressive?
0:00 "Rachel Reeves met with European leaders ... " . I hate this 'Merkin "meet with" that the media have adopted. One meets Miss Fortune, but meets _with_ misfortune.
Rachel is our rose and she will succeed!
What is wrong with you? Complete 💩💯
@@aficio698 Your in for a shock...
@ Labours answer to AI without the I. The vegetables are in charge. 💩
And I believe in Santa 🎅
Reform🇬🇧
There won’t be any form of reset until the EU has grabbed back as much as they can.
It’s a lose lose situation for us Brits.
VOTE REFORM UK 🇬🇧 and stop this nonsense for once and for all.
Cant imagine they would want the UK now that Labour has started the first recession, we will have mass unemployment soon so if you have a job look after it
Dream on Tory...
Rachael from accounts has lost the plot.
And you have lost all reason.
I had a bowel movement earlier.. it had more substance than Reeves. Starmer and Raynor put together.
Just so you know kiddies…
Mario Draghi has announced that the EU are facing ‘ an existential challenge’……oh dear.🤦♂
^^Ruzi
Trivial nonsense that helps nobody.
This is woeful reporting. Just do the right thing and call for labor to back going back into the free market and the customs union. The leave vote would not pass now and it has made us and our kids demonstrably poorer. You guys are as weak as the labor party. Show some spine.
No.Another vote would still end up leaving.
Rubbish not supported by the polls. Somethings not a fact because you say it is.
@@j.4332 "Another vote would still end up leaving."
Nope.
@@emm_arr Everyone i know voted Leave.Everyone would still vote leave.No-one has changed their minds.What is it with you people?
@@j.4332 "Everyone i know voted Leave."
That pegs you as a low achiever who doesn't know any professionals or graduates.
You doctor voted leave? Seems unlikely.
"No-one has changed their minds."
You have to be a troll or a liar with that. Nobody believes that.
Reeves even makes Starmer look marginally competent. The only reset this country needs is regarding the incumbents in No.10 and 11
Silly comment!
Eurozone in terminal decline,why would anyone want closer ties.
“Wretched Americans?” Well, it’s better than “English Arrogance Mixed With Stupidity.”
555
They need us, end of.