Solemn Mass of the Transfiguration of Our Lord, Anglican Use
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2014
- Anglican Use Mass celebrated August 6, 2014, at Holy Rosary Church, Portland, Oregon.
Music: Cantores in Ecclesia
Blake Williams, Director
Mark Williams, Organist
Rev. Msgr. Peter Wilkinson, Celebrant
Rev. Carl Reig, Deacon
Rev. Michael Birch, Subdeacon
(From the Anglican Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter)
I wish we all went back to Ad Orientem. Very beautiful liturgy.
Ad Orientem obscures the fact that the Mass is being said FOR the people/church. The best example is the raising of the host. It isn't being raised to God for God to adore. It is raised for the congregants to adore.
Well that was an obfuscate little screed. The very fact that the priest acts In Persona Christi is a reason to oppose Ad Orientem rather than support it. Christ didn't turn his back on the people in his Earthly life yet you expect him to now.
The Mass is about the people. The people there to participate in the sacrifice of the Mass, to offer their sacrifices in Christian life and their sins. If it were not about everyone then there would only need to be one priest in the world offering Mass. There would be no need for Mass to be said in parishes all over the world.
@@marker6142 You sound like a Protestant. "Glorify our Lord". The Mass is a Re-Presentation of the Last Supper and the sacrifice on Calvary. It is the sacrifice being made present to the assembled. As God is being held aloft it is a bit odd to think the priest would be turning his back on God. You make my point in your hypothetical! The priest is not presenting God with bread, he is presenting the body TO THE Church assembled.
@@kitiowa The Last Supper is itself the first Mass, a commemoration of the Sacrifice on Calvary. You say that DontGiveup sounds "Protestant" for saying "Glorify the Lord". Are we Protestants because we want Mass to be centered around God, and not ourselves? Remember the fact that the Gloria starts off saying, "Gloria in excelsis Deo". You can keep trying to compared the Mass to the Last Supper as a means of justifying your position, but the Priest doesn't suddenly "become God" when he is in Persona Christi. He's still a man, but with the power of God vested in him. Thus, when a Tabernacle is on the Altar, as it should be, which already contains the Sacred Body, the Priest has every duty and obligation to give homage. There's a reason why there's so many genuflections in the Extraordinary Form. If the Israelites paid so much homage, facing directly towards the Ark, which itself held the power of God, imagine how much more adoration we ought to give the Sacred Body. It's not as though people can't see the Priest raise up the Body and Blood during the consecration, which he always does. Even the Ordinary Form says "Pray, brethren, that my sacrifice and yours may be acceptable to God, Our Almighty Father." Further, in Sacred Scripture, the words Jesus uses when He tells the Apostles to "do this in memory of Me", are the same, in the original language, that are used to describe a Jewish memorial sacrifice. I'm not an expert on Temple Judaism, but I highly doubt that the Priests then were presenting their offerings to God directly towards the people instead of their understanding of God's presence. The Mass is itself a descendant of the Sacrifices of old, after all.
@@theinquisition305 This is my Body of Christ Broken for you. The You is the Church. It wasn' broken for God's sake it was broken for our sake. The Tabernacle isn't the focus of the Mass. You seem to insinuate that the host in the tabernacle is more important that host in the priests hand. Indeed then the point of our participation is Liturgy is lost. We could just go and venerate the Tabernacle. That would be like Jewish temple worship where the priests were the only ones allowed to deal with the sacrifice. Priests had exclusive access to the Holy of Holies. We are meant to partake in the body of Christ as the body of Christ.
Traditional High Church Anglo Catholic worship is beautiful but hard to find. This is beautiful.
This isn't aglo Catholic, this is Anglican Use Roman Rite Catholic. There is a difference, these people are in full communion with Rome.
@@michaelcaza-schonberger9282 I'm sure he understands that. He probably was simply referring to the liturgical practices of Anglo Catholics, which is what these people were prior to entering into full communion with Rome.
@@JLFAN2009 hello from France 🐓🐸🐓 as singer organist pleasure to listen and to follow Kyrie n 4. (rarely sung ...
What a beautiful mass?O Lord God the Father, we praise you. AMEN and AMEN...
I wish the actual NO mass was more like this.
Me too. I'm fortunate to attend an ordinariate parish. You can see recordings of it on my channel.
ohneschlaf this mass is much more faithful to the reforms of the Vatican II compared to the Novus Ordo mass
handel1111 Don’t get me wrong, I am not against Vatican 2 per se, I just dislike what people made out of it. Besides, the ACTUAL NO mass is nothing like the ones we see in parishes anyway. One could celebrate NO mass in a similar way.
you're right. the actual Novus Ordo mass has the continuation of the 2000 year tradition of the Church compared to what we see in the parishes. the wrong interpretation of Vatican II is what led to the dwindling number of Catholics in recent years
ohneschlaf I wish NO NO masses.
This is a good step for the "Reform of the Reform".
BuckDanny2314
You're absolutely right!
A few changes to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass surely wouldn't hurt. The mass could be said in the vernacular, the congregation could participate more in the prayers in the liturgy, such as the Credo and the Confiteor.
This Anglican Ordinariate Mass is a perfect example of how making a few changes to the TLM, while making it the ordinary form instead of the Novus Ordo, can preserve some of the most important traditions of the church.
Even Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) talked about how making a few changes to the TLM would help.
Thank you for your answer.
Let me be clear however: I am not against the Novus Ordo at all. When you see Holy Masses as they are celebrated in the London Oratory, or in Solesmes, you can see that it can be very beautiful and close to the tradition of the Church. Yet I do think the Ordinary form should be changed at least in some aspects. For example, the use of the prayers at the foot of the altar, the old offertory prayers and the recitation of the Canon Missae in silence (as well as a place of honor for the Roman Canon, even though there is nothing wrong with the new canons).
At the same time, maybe some things of that form should be integrated in the Extraordinary form. I think primarily of the new lectionnary and calendar (even though some parts of it might be changed), concelebration in some occasions, the "oratio fidelium", more vernacular in some parts and the rite of peace extended to the whole congregation.
And finally, for both forms of the Roman Mass, a more "poetic" and noble translation of the latin text. I mean, I don't know the quality of the English version of the Roman Missal, but I can tell you that, in my country, the translations are catastrophic.
What do you think ?
Such a solemn eucharist, the music was so angelic.
Very beautiful. The liturgical purge of Cranmer seems to have been less destructive than that of Bugnini. Thank God so many of these who were once Anglicans returned to the Church. Maybe by looking at the Anglican Catholic rite the oft atrocious Roman Ordinary Form will restore some of it's Traditions...or else just return to the Extraordinary Form.
A few changes to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass surely wouldn't hurt. The mass could be said in the vernacular, the congregation could participate more in the prayers in the liturgy, such as the Credo and the Confiteor.
This Anglican Ordinariate Mass is a perfect example of how making a few changes to the TLM, while making it the ordinary form instead of the Novus Ordo, can preserve some of the most important traditions of the church.
Even Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) talked about how making a few changes to the TLM would help.
In my opinion, the TLM should replace the Novus Ordo, but we must not be resistant into making suitable changes to the TLM.
Let the church make it possible for priests to off the TLM either in ecclesiastical Latin or the vernacular.
Or even use both as they see fit. Certain propers are usually best in vernacular, so the faithful may understand, but the Gloria, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, and such could remain in Latin, since they're fairly simple.
The OF Mass is no more or less "atrocious" than the EF Mass. Comments like your own are what most ensure the celebration of the EF Mass will never really become widespread once more. Shame on you.
It's not just the liturgy but the traditions as well. Ad orientem worship, receiving communion by tongue when on the knees, organs only (no drums or protestant guitar music), gregorian chant and polyphony, male alter servers only, etc. So many lost traditions that is destroying our church.
If you think drums and female alter servers is destroying the Church then the Church isn't worth saving.
Thinking that the artistic attributes of the Mass is what makes a Mass shows that you don't understand or believe in the essence of the Liturgy.
Wish we had an "ordinariate" church in B.C. The great tradition of Anglican hymns bring so much to the services lacking in the R.C. church.
Well said and SO TRUE in most of USA as well.
There is one now! In Victoria I think
This is much more closer to the 1965 Mass
the 1962 and the 1965 mass is different. The latter has an option to be celebrated in vernacular and some minor changes. So The Anglican Use Liturgy is pretty close to the 1965 Roman Mass
@@handel1111Msgr. Klaus Gamber argues, quite convincingly, that he believed the 1965 missal was originally intended to be the Mass of Vatican II. I think if this was the Mass we got, we wouldn’t be having all these liturgical disputes these days.
@@eamonob84 and there would be no division in the Church right now if they had stick to the 1965 Mass, I don't know why they suddenly changed gear towards creating another unrecognisable rite
What a beautiful Mass!
This is absolutely marvelous.
1 O wondrous type! O vision fair
of glory that the Church may share,
which Christ upon the mountain shows,
where brighter than the sun he glows!
2 With Moses and Elijah nigh
th'incarnate Lord holds converse high,
and from the cloud the Holy One
bears record to the only Son.
3 With shining face and bright array
Christ deigns to manifest today
what glory shall be theirs above
who joy in God with perfect love.
4 And faithful hearts are raised on high
by this great vision's mystery,
for which in joyful strains we raise
the voice of prayer, the hymn of praise.
5 O Father, with th'eternal Son
and Holy Spirit ever one,
we pray you, bring us by your grace
to see your glory face to face.
When you look at the Latin Mass booklet with the English text opposite they are virtually identical. You know exactly where you are in the Latin Mass even if you understand no Latin.
Jesus help me to be transformed and remain faithful to you. AMEN
As always Msgr. Wilkinson, Fr. Reid and Fr. Birch were perfect in their celebration of the Mass.
I was under th impression that the title Msgr could only be bestowed by the Pope
my mistake. I had not realised it was an Ordinate Mass
Beautiful
Amazing rite and amazing lirtugies
Please post more!
Well done Chris
Bb for the opening :D love that key
CAPITALS DUE TO LOSING SIGHT AND REDUCED COGNITIVE ABILITIES. I WORSHIP AT ST PETERS HORBURY WEST YORKSHIRE UK WHICH IS ANGLO CATHOLIC. I SERVE FOR ENGLISH MISSAL LOW MASS ON SATURDAY MORNINGS. LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN WE AT ST PETERS HAVE HAVE HIGH MASS ENGLISH MISSAL. I HAVE SERVED FOR SEVERAL LATIN HIGH MASSES AT ALL SAINTS NORTH STREET YORK UK.
This is a beautiful mass to say in vernacular. With all due respect, Msgr. Bugnini was not a good liturgist at all.
with all Respect he had done very good he is good liturgies yes and the mass is fantastic, also he said the mass with all intention and devotion what Jesus looks more
Bugnini was a monster, a wolf in sheep's clothing, an enemy of the faith.
You have no idea what you’re talking about Jose and the fact that South America is losing the catholic faith is BECAUSE of bugnini.
@@dwightschrute900 Absolutely true. And North America is following the same sad path.
O Wonderous Type O Vision Fair. The tune is Warneham
So... what is a difference between Anglican High Church and Anglo-Catholics in light of divine service? Does its a very difficult from each other?
They would appear the same. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't recognize the Apostolic Succession of the Anglican Communion because earlier in it's history it denied the validity of it. The Romans would therefore say the priesthood is not valid so neither is the sacrament. In other words it would truly be transformed into the actual body and blood of Christ.
The Roman Church would say the same about the Lutherans. The Lutheran Mass would look quite similar to this often but Romans would say the consecration couldn't occur.
The components of the Liturgy from the very beginning of Christianity have been retained in Lutheran and Anglican Churches as well that the four Communions which trace their history back to the Apostles.
kitiowa neither do the Orthodox Churches accept Anglican Orders. For them it is about belief and intent.
High Church Anglican and Anglo Catholic are synonymous.
I'm an Angelican Rev. I want to join in your Angalica please help me to join.
neve saw a problem with the 1549 BCP with a few changes how come no Merbecke?
It's "Merbecke"
Where are the choristers? I can't see them. Minute mark, anyone?
At the very beginning you can see them in the choir loft to the far left.
So why did the subdeacon not read the epistle...?
Brian Ellis The subdeaconDID read (sing) the epistle
the anglican are same catholic liturgy
Actually, this is an altered form of the Anglican Use liturgy, which is approved by the Vatican for the use of Anglicans who have come into the Church. I encourage you to google Anglicanorum Cœtibus.and the Anglican Use liturgy.
There is nothing Anglican about this except that it is in English and I am assuming some of the priests are married. This is just the ordinary Catholic mass, but the people are wearing older vestments and the alter is facing the old way. I thought the point of the Anglican Ordinariate was to keep the anglican liturgical form. Nothing about this says Book of Common Prayer. Keep in mind, Anglo-Catholics, or High Church Anglicans, still use the BCP, they don't use this form of the mass.
You are correct. This is simply a tarted up version of the novus ordo of the Roman Church (in better English). It is not the old Anglican Missal mass at all. Why do they go to the chair after the censing of the altar? Why was the priest and ministeri not censed during the introit? It is simply following modernis rubics. If they wish to be Roman Catholics, please do so, but please leave out traditions out of it.
It is different from a catholic mass, the only thing in common was ad orientem and he vestments. other than that, they aee vastly different. the dominican rite has less difference but it is its own rite. the anglican use might be slightly different from anglican liturgy, but it is familiar, and that is the aim.
@@kenthdavealledbelison1977 it is not different from the Catholic Mass; it IS a Catholic Mass. It is simply a different liturgical rite, just as the Eastern Divine Liturgies are different rites but still Catholic Masses.
Dominican?
What is this rite? Is it Roman Catholic? Is it Old Anglican Liturgy? What is it?
+Juancho Núñez ordinariate rite
It's the Anglican Use. It is used by the Anglican Ordinariate, properly called the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter, Anglican/Episcopalian converts to Catholicism who were allowed to keep the non-heretical aspects of their traditions. The priests got properly ordained by Catholic Bishops, after going through a bit of a re-education in Catholic seminary, and they celebrate valid Masses now, and the rest of their Sacraments are valid in the eyes of the Church as well. Their Masses have been somewhat altered from their original High Anglican form to purge the heretical aspects. They are fully Catholic, fully in union with Rome and under the authority of the Pope of Rome, and any Catholic, of any Rite, may attend their Masses and receive the Sacraments from them. Attending their Masses also fulfills a Catholic's Sunday obligation.
The Anglican Church is still sooooo roman Catholic in its rituals!!!!!
+Salvatore Escoti It is the Holy Mass of Catholic Anglican Ordinariate, the part of Catholic Church.
This is in a Catholic Church.It is an Anglican Oridinariate of the Catholic Church
yes....same we at sarawak borneo...we are still follow the old anglican that was called anglo catholic...and we still in line in the cathedral...and no women are in charge as priest....we are reform and will not reform to the evenglical calvanist....we will not allowed it by worship in drum, temborine and new music..........never and never....coz reform church this will make the older one will not come to the and it will destroy the church once again.....
Nothing wrong in Anglican clergy wearing the Canterbury cap in place of the Roman biretta.
They are Catholics,not Anglican.Anglican Ordianriate of the Catholic Church
the parts are a lot like catholics. even altar boys.
+Kezuke Zemure They are Catholics now. This is one of the formerly Anglican parishes admitted into the Roman Catholic Church through the personal ordinariate.
Actually this is being celebrated in an existing Roman Rite parish.
Anglican use? I think, te second-vatican influence is very present... In the church: The altar is seperated from the tabernacle, of course that you can see every time the face of the priest, if he stands behind the "Lord's Table", the reason is given.
The "Kyrie" was sung only 6 times, instead of 9. The "Liturgy of word" was on the seats, a laity in civil clothes did read a lesson (!!!), All prayers, include the canon was rad in a lood voice, the rite of the priest's communion is Novus Ordo, and so one. But in spite of all this: Much " Romans" could follow an example, that a liturgy could be celebrated very worthy. The choir and the whole music was wonderful, and the parish is very reverent during the holy communion.- No "Hand-commumion"!
So my impression is ambivalent.
Holy Rosary is a Latin Rite Dominican parish, not an Anglican Ordinariate one.
A few changes to the Extraordinary Form of the Mass surely wouldn't hurt. The mass could be said in the vernacular, the congregation could participate more in the prayers in the liturgy, such as the Credo and the Confiteor.
This Anglican Ordinariate Mass is a perfect example of how making a few changes to the TLM, while making it the ordinary form instead of the Novus Ordo, can preserve some of the most important traditions of the church.
Even Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) talked about how making a few changes to the TLM would help.
In my opinion, the TLM should replace the Novus Ordo, but we must not be resistant into making suitable changes to the TLM.
Let the church make it possible for priests to off the TLM either in ecclesiastical Latin or the vernacular.
Yes, liturgically, it is a mess.
I see several Dominicans
This was done at a Dominican parish.
I just cannot connect this formal pomp and ceremony to that Last Supper and the Gift of that night. It just seems stodgy and medieval. But, whatever floats your incense.
Maybe the British had it right all along.
What do you mean?