EtRetro I wouldn't call him nothing, I actually like ConCon more even though he might not get the same results as Elegant. I just feel that if I were to pick up Luigi, I would play more like ConCon.
I think a lot of people don't understand what makes a character legitimately "broken." Several top players, such as Mr. R, Tweek, abadango, Dabuz, and others have tried to win large tournaments using bayo and failed, finding that they do better with their own characters. Now obviously Bayo is fantastic character, likely the best in the game, but in order for a character to be broken it has to be so good that you could not play better with any other character in the game, which clearly isn't the case. In comparison, brawl actually has 2 characters that are more broken, meta knight, which won almost every single tournament in brawl due to his absurdly good frame data and move-set, as well as ice climbers where GRAB TO DEATH was always an option. Bayonetta has the best recovery, insane come back potential with ladder combos and witchtime, BUT she has punishable KO moves relying on either a witch time or sdi-vulnerable ladder combo to KO early. Otherwise bayo has to fish for stale back airs to KO at very late percent, which was a key problem for zack in this game. On top of that, Bayo has BAD MATCHUPS. How do you counter witch time? By grabbing. Elegant is known for his exceptional grab combos, often reaching around 80% off of one grab. Should bayo use a punishable option characters with shoryuken type movies can deal great damage. At the very least, most top players believe bayo loses to cloud and diddy kong, a broken character loses no matchups and forces most top players to use it (because believe it or not, most top players play to win). Remember, characters carry players, not the other way around.
Just to clarify for those not in the know, Ice climbers could grab from zero and "wobble" all the way to death (and it was better than it is in melee, plus brawl IC's has desync and just better moves than melee IC's in general). Also, great game from both Elegant and Zack!
I disagree, sheik was the best character in smash 4 for a long time and even high level players couldn't just pick her up and be good with it, the fact that several players tried picking her up doesn't really mean anything, it's hard to just pick up a new character after playing a game for two years straight with 1-2 characters. Anyway I don't think she's broken but I think she's borderline over powered.
Mate sheik was ontop of the game until 2 patches ago, and we've had A LOT of patches. Diddy was at the top at like the original patch then he and sheik got nerfed, and she still stayed on top. Infact diddy got nerfed AGAIN and sheik got nerfed numerous times after that and still remained on top, it's only in the patch that happened before bayonetta where they seriously nerfed her hard, took away her 50/50 needle rang nerf is when she finally dropped from number 1. And most of the notable sheik mains still main sheik besides Zero, but even so, that point proves nothing?
0:30 Well, my good commentator- Elegant understands that he gets a ton of mileage off of grabs especially with Luigi, a character who thrives on grab combos and reads. He knows when his combos have enough hitstun to lead into the next attack which is why Elegant does not get witch timed often. He also punishes Captain Zack's (Bayonetta's) laggy moves to the fullest extent. Take Elegant's up B kill on Zack's side B for instance on these situations. There are also times when Elegant's opponents, who play Bayonetta, use 2-4 up or side specials in the air, resulting in very much end lag (yes, the more specials Bayo uses in the air, the more end lag she accumulates when she lands). Just like when catching jumps or retaliating against smash attacks, Elegant punishes Bayo players hard in laggy situations.
6:46 It is extremely important to watch out for Witch Times on the ledge. Abusing Bayo with grabs or projectiles on the ledge racks up a ton of percent even if you play a character with a terrible grab range like Little Mac. Getting Witch Timed at center stage gives a player more survivability as they have a chance to DI away from Bayo's Witch Twist to ABK combos (unless the player is at 60% or higher, in which case Bayo can fully charge Usmash and kill lightweight to midweight characters; heavyweights have a chance of survival with good DI).
that 53% in 5 seconds at the start of the vid. hot dang. and i love how he went for the up b cheese shortly after. no chill dang that first game was mad impressive by elegant
4:03 Obviously a Super Jump Punch attempt; Luigis misinput specials all the time, though I mostly see it when attempting Luigi Cyclones and instead doing Green Missiles, (like the one at 9:33 I think.) But that's not really important. It's nice to see Elegant taking this character to a new level, and between him and Mr. Con Con, I hope to see plenty of Luigi representation at this tournament!
Master Perch You're acting like thats the only thing he has, try to mention something else that is lame besides down b....Thats what I thought lol. You don't think those 0-70% combos are cool? It is difficult to pull those off in a level this high. Or just custom luigi combos in general that you do not see too often, especially in a mid-tier character.
Infinite64 Actually, no. I dont think Luigi's 0-70% combos are cool. Considering he one of the few characters that can actually do that consistently. Something else that's lame? Up b. Some people find it super hype, and while yes, when someone gets a super hard read with it, it can be. But people get hype over jab to up b, or a tech roll read up b. After maining luigi for a long time a while back, I found that it really isnt that hard. He has a couple of other lame moves imo, like up smash and neutral b, but those aren't as lame to me. Overall Luigi is a character that thrives on optimal combos (like the one elegant did almost every time he got a grab. I don't remember what it was, but it involved a regrab down throw up air back air). Luigi isn't even CLOSE to the lamest character, but I definitely wouldn't say he is hype.
Zack must practise the techs more. It not only killed him in the last stock, it also made him in danger some times in this match before. And Im so happy Elegant won, he's my favourite player and definitely the player that made me understand how to play luigi cause I always wanted to pick that character c:
Zack may be a taunter and stuff, but we need someone who is a kind of villain or someone who taunts a bunch its like Leffen a little bit from melee we need that anger sometimes it makes things fun!
The Zack butthurt defense squad never fails to taint the comment section. Before when he started getting attention: "You just hate him cause he's good" After constantly getting rekt by the competition: "I-It's just a game" Sad.
He taunts as a mindgame, if you weren't a shit player who goes 0-2 at locals you'd know that. Also, Zack isn't smug, he's just confident. Give me an example of him being rude.
Taunting is like a mind game but in top level smash, I don't find it amusing. It's just disrespectful in my opinion. I don't hate zack. I'm just saying. And that goes for anyone, not just Zack.
Taunting mean "c'mon try something". They are basically disrespecting someone fighting skills. In Friendlies it doesn't matter but in high level smash, it's just wrong. Even if it is a mind game to piss someone off, it's a very smug way.
Zack was clearly the less skilled player just using a brainless character. I know it's been said a million times but boyonetta ruined the competative scene. (Just my opinion though)
let's go elegant!
I respect Zack as a player, but I enjoy seeing him lose a set after he taunts multiple times
hate that foo man lol
lol elegant is a king of disrespecting too lol. thats why i love them both
That's why he does it. For salty people who hate taunts 🤣
Hard Way waiting for you to do it sis 😚
Hard Way lol how that was racist
7:11
The idea of Luigi punching bat within only to grab her when she reappears behind him is actually the most badass thing I've ever seen Luigi do.
Elegant should have Luigi danced on Zack
Captain Zack reminds me of one of those guys in professional wrestling.
People liked to see them win, but they would love it more when they lost.
elegant is actually a god
EtRetroSan that's an understatement
Yeah, a god that doesn't make top 8
JW Money there is no other luigi player who is at least that good. Sure there is a Mr. ConCon but he is nothing compared to elegant
JW Money He did made Top 8.
EtRetro I wouldn't call him nothing, I actually like ConCon more even though he might not get the same results as Elegant. I just feel that if I were to pick up Luigi, I would play more like ConCon.
I think a lot of people don't understand what makes a character legitimately "broken." Several top players, such as Mr. R, Tweek, abadango, Dabuz, and others have tried to win large tournaments using bayo and failed, finding that they do better with their own characters. Now obviously Bayo is fantastic character, likely the best in the game, but in order for a character to be broken it has to be so good that you could not play better with any other character in the game, which clearly isn't the case. In comparison, brawl actually has 2 characters that are more broken, meta knight, which won almost every single tournament in brawl due to his absurdly good frame data and move-set, as well as ice climbers where GRAB TO DEATH was always an option. Bayonetta has the best recovery, insane come back potential with ladder combos and witchtime, BUT she has punishable KO moves relying on either a witch time or sdi-vulnerable ladder combo to KO early. Otherwise bayo has to fish for stale back airs to KO at very late percent, which was a key problem for zack in this game. On top of that, Bayo has BAD MATCHUPS. How do you counter witch time? By grabbing. Elegant is known for his exceptional grab combos, often reaching around 80% off of one grab. Should bayo use a punishable option characters with shoryuken type movies can deal great damage. At the very least, most top players believe bayo loses to cloud and diddy kong, a broken character loses no matchups and forces most top players to use it (because believe it or not, most top players play to win). Remember, characters carry players, not the other way around.
Just to clarify for those not in the know, Ice climbers could grab from zero and "wobble" all the way to death (and it was better than it is in melee, plus brawl IC's has desync and just better moves than melee IC's in general). Also, great game from both Elegant and Zack!
I disagree, sheik was the best character in smash 4 for a long time and even high level players couldn't just pick her up and be good with it, the fact that several players tried picking her up doesn't really mean anything, it's hard to just pick up a new character after playing a game for two years straight with 1-2 characters. Anyway I don't think she's broken but I think she's borderline over powered.
You have to put time in order to main most characters in Sm4sh that aren't named Cloud and Lucina.
Mate sheik was ontop of the game until 2 patches ago, and we've had A LOT of patches. Diddy was at the top at like the original patch then he and sheik got nerfed, and she still stayed on top. Infact diddy got nerfed AGAIN and sheik got nerfed numerous times after that and still remained on top, it's only in the patch that happened before bayonetta where they seriously nerfed her hard, took away her 50/50 needle rang nerf is when she finally dropped from number 1. And most of the notable sheik mains still main sheik besides Zero, but even so, that point proves nothing?
Cameron Jacobs The closest character that is almost broken is RosaLuma.. mainly luma lol
not this time zack, I love watching these to play it's always so intense, I love how they go back and forth
Captain Zack definitely needs to keep the mask on to cover up his shame.
Jonathan Caraballo Losing to Elegant is not shameful, that man is really good!
Bruh I screamed so loud when he got stage spiked. Holy shit. Not what i was expecting. O.o good games
it's fun to see YT says this game is Bayonetta and not smash lol
0:30 Well, my good commentator- Elegant understands that he gets a ton of mileage off of grabs especially with Luigi, a character who thrives on grab combos and reads. He knows when his combos have enough hitstun to lead into the next attack which is why Elegant does not get witch timed often. He also punishes Captain Zack's (Bayonetta's) laggy moves to the fullest extent. Take Elegant's up B kill on Zack's side B for instance on these situations. There are also times when Elegant's opponents, who play Bayonetta, use 2-4 up or side specials in the air, resulting in very much end lag (yes, the more specials Bayo uses in the air, the more end lag she accumulates when she lands). Just like when catching jumps or retaliating against smash attacks, Elegant punishes Bayo players hard in laggy situations.
13:42 Insane recovery from Elegant.
Congrats to elegant taking the set! Not a fan of Zack, but i'll give him mad props for taking the sickest stock of the set.
TheClanOfMan What stock was that? I might have missed it
Roy Kappa im going to guess the dair off of the misfire
T Warlock oooh yeah definitely could be
Omfg that ending from Elegant was beautiful, so calculated yet so bold and risky
6:46 It is extremely important to watch out for Witch Times on the ledge. Abusing Bayo with grabs or projectiles on the ledge racks up a ton of percent even if you play a character with a terrible grab range like Little Mac. Getting Witch Timed at center stage gives a player more survivability as they have a chance to DI away from Bayo's Witch Twist to ABK combos (unless the player is at 60% or higher, in which case Bayo can fully charge Usmash and kill lightweight to midweight characters; heavyweights have a chance of survival with good DI).
I missed having mods at big tournaments, feels good hearing Eltnum's theme during a set again. Amazing set from both!
Lets go!! Fellow Luigi main! Had me super nervous on that last game! What a good Bayonetta.
that 53% in 5 seconds at the start of the vid. hot dang. and i love how he went for the up b cheese shortly after. no chill
dang that first game was mad impressive by elegant
4:03 Obviously a Super Jump Punch attempt; Luigis misinput specials all the time, though I mostly see it when attempting Luigi Cyclones and instead doing Green Missiles, (like the one at 9:33 I think.)
But that's not really important. It's nice to see Elegant taking this character to a new level, and between him and Mr. Con Con, I hope to see plenty of Luigi representation at this tournament!
Remember when Luigi was the lamest ahhh different times
Guillermo Esparza Yeah. Luigi literally went from a lame character, to a hype character. You do not usually see that in Smash, lol.
Luigi isnt lame? lol. I find dthrow fair dair down b the lamest looking thing in the game.
Master Perch You're acting like thats the only thing he has, try to mention something else that is lame besides down b....Thats what I thought lol.
You don't think those 0-70% combos are cool? It is difficult to pull those off in a level this high. Or just custom luigi combos in general that you do not see too often, especially in a mid-tier character.
Infinite64 Actually, no. I dont think Luigi's 0-70% combos are cool. Considering he one of the few characters that can actually do that consistently. Something else that's lame? Up b. Some people find it super hype, and while yes, when someone gets a super hard read with it, it can be. But people get hype over jab to up b, or a tech roll read up b. After maining luigi for a long time a while back, I found that it really isnt that hard. He has a couple of other lame moves imo, like up smash and neutral b, but those aren't as lame to me. Overall Luigi is a character that thrives on optimal combos (like the one elegant did almost every time he got a grab. I don't remember what it was, but it involved a regrab down throw up air back air). Luigi isn't even CLOSE to the lamest character, but I definitely wouldn't say he is hype.
Master Perch If thats what you think, I respect your opinion. I see why you think that lol.
Anyone know what controller scheme Elegant uses? I mainly want to know if he uses c-stick tilt
that has to be apart of a most intense match montage
the two best showmans in the smash comunity in a match! WOW!
Announcer squeal @12:12
taunt to get bodied, zack
0:22
(jaw drops)
...DAMN... Elegant's making Bayonetta look like a low-tier. XD
Damn! They were going at it!
Trixie Truelove lol i remember seeing you on a smash vid like a year ago. small world.
Wow saem
At 13:48, Zack uses his jump, but at 13:51 he's able to use it again... how?
The answer is Bayo. I don't need to say anything else
J. Rubach you are correct
Elegant slowly becoming my favorite player
WAY TO GO ELEGANT REPRESENTING LUIGIS! Also good stuff to Zack putting up a good fight!
The first stock of the first match was BRUTAL
Holy shit i love Elegant :D
Zack must practise the techs more. It not only killed him in the last stock, it also made him in danger some times in this match before.
And Im so happy Elegant won, he's my favourite player and definitely the player that made me understand how to play luigi cause I always wanted to pick that character c:
I'm really enjoying the modded music Smash 4, this should be a staple, as long as it's approved.
Is that luigi costume a mod?
Im sad that my fav bayo player lost.
I feel your pain Zack.
T H E B A Y O S L A Y E R. Good luck to both these players in the rest of bracket!
GGs to both players, Elegant was so clutch at the end and hope to see Zack win a big tourney one day he has so much passion
Shoryu to taunting the taunt master.
ELEGANT!
Zack may be a taunter and stuff, but we need someone who is a kind of villain or someone who taunts a bunch its like Leffen a little bit from melee we need that anger sometimes it makes things fun!
lol why is the game "bayonetta" in the description?
holy. shit it started already? gimme some results ppl
Omg those techs. Let's go Elegant!
what the hell is that luigi skin? are they playing modded? sorry if im out of the loop, haha.
They are. That's why the game ending said "banned"
lol just noticed that! thanks
No problem :)
God I love Elegant, and yaaa boiii. Taunt that man.
captain zack? more like captain no tech
Luigi up-b to taunt is a true combo
5:25 The techs though
Let's fucking go Elegant!!
Yo Elegant can get top 8 winners, that's crazy for a super major
Zack just won this exact matchup a few days earlier xD
8:23 Da fuq? So much knock back that It looked like wave dash..
UnknownWanabe Just Luigi things
What a heartbreaker
Holy crap, Elegant!
The Zack butthurt defense squad never fails to taint the comment section.
Before when he started getting attention: "You just hate him cause he's good"
After constantly getting rekt by the competition: "I-It's just a game"
Sad.
Zack just got BANNED!
Yeah he got banned
Yeah, banned for life XD
Fuckin' great match. Good commentary also!
God do I love to see Zack lose. Dance now lol
Shulky Shulk Huh, usually your type of people hate seeing him dance!
I dont like Zack. Its not because he plays bayo, but because of his smug personality and constant taunting
yeah same. I also hate his stupid mask
His mask is to prevent him from getting sick.
Also a ton of players use masks too, like Aba, Komo, Tweek, etc.. do you hate them too?
He taunts as a mindgame, if you weren't a shit player who goes 0-2 at locals you'd know that.
Also, Zack isn't smug, he's just confident. Give me an example of him being rude.
Xonerific naw. Just him.
Plus his mask was given to him by his sponser.
LET'S GO ELEGANTE
elegant's posture when he plays is always so good looking
And people still think Luigi isn't top tier? HAH!
He's high tier imo
Can someone explain to me why do people hate Captain Zack?
His taunting, IRL dances, and the fact he mains bayonetta.
that + smash community being full of babies = comment section
But some pro smashers did the same thing, and yet people never get on them. Of course I could be wrong.
I don't care about the taunting. It's the cringy bayo twirls he does after he wins a set that get me. But whatever I still like him.
Zack looked like he was hurting after that :(
And thats what happens when you taunt.
ChromeHD Are you fucking 5? Getting mad because someone fucking taunts?
Maybe they're just annoyed if someone taunts, you can't put out those insults if you don't know the real reason why they hate taunts you sperglord.
Substitute Doll Getting annoyed because of taunting is also pretty childish, if not more. Also, sperglord? 😂😂😂😂😂
When someone taunts. The first thing that comes in my mind is they think they're gonna win.
ChromeHD So if ZeRo thinks he is going to beat Ally, and he doesn't, you'd be hating on him too?
Lets Go Elegant!!!
when u complain about taunting in the game,
ur literally like the 12 year old on COD that cries to his mom when he gets outplayed
I love u elegant!
If you get mad at taunts, I assume you always drown in pools
Second best set today
Only better was QuiK vs Larry
Ab 2oul QuiK that ZsS player ?
Who won ?
Dantiel Barbosa QuiK won
RIDDIKULUS Damn...4th best ZsS confirmed.
Now he goes against Salem and if he beats him he goes against CptZack...R.I.P.
Dantiel Barbosa Im still shocked that salem lost lol. yeah QuiK has a rough road ahead
I like how i pop off for my boy elegant but bro didn't show no emotion when he won.
Come on guys, that was a really intense set and you have to comment about how you hate Zack? Smh this community sometimes...
sanuria1 what did you expect its the smash community lol
You're right. They can sometimes be nice though.
Exactly!!!
nice set
People put way too much effort into hating a 15 year old, Jesus Christ. He's a kid who's fucking around. I cheer against him, but I don't hate him.
Zack had this. Not sure why he was playing aggresive with the lead :/
That's his playstyle I guees
Lol, why do people still get salty about taunting? Seriously, who even cares?
hello jimothy
The world of memes will never know..
Because everyone are babies
YoBOB Squid Do you know what's the porpose of taunting?
Looking cool and badass ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡ )
This comment section is why Melee players hate us
bullshit, go on any video than contains hungrybox and mang0 fanboys/manchildren and see for yourself how bad they are
melee players are far worse on Hbox tbh. This is still funny, that shit isn't
well fuck melee lol
I love it when bayo loses
Idc what nobody says I like u Zack even when you taunt. Good job to the both of y'all.
ELEGANT FTW.
People getting pissed off at someone taunting or just having fun is funny
There is a difference in Friendlies and tournament. Pressure is a big thing on the main stage. Even if Taunting is a mind game. It is very smug.
"Boo-hoo. Somebody taunted. Boo-hoo." Cry me a river.
Taunting is like a mind game but in top level smash, I don't find it amusing. It's just disrespectful in my opinion. I don't hate zack. I'm just saying.
And that goes for anyone, not just Zack.
Captain Zack is always hype. More players need to taunt.
Luigi dance v Bayo dance
Yes elegant!
dance zack!! hahaha
chuy visente nah, he's not felling too great after that last game
He outhacked the hack lol
YES!!! DAS wat I'm talkin' bout, L!! Clutch!!
Luigi is GOD!!!!
Beyoneta is GONE!!!
YES
LET'S GO ELEGANT! lol!!!
That's what you get for taunting hahahaha he must feel like an idiot
when u actually get upset cause someone taunts. working as intended? lul
How do people get so mad over taunting? Who cares?
Taunting mean "c'mon try something". They are basically disrespecting someone fighting skills. In Friendlies it doesn't matter but in high level smash, it's just wrong. Even if it is a mind game to piss someone off, it's a very smug way.
Zack was clearly the less skilled player just using a brainless character. I know it's been said a million times but boyonetta ruined the competative scene. (Just my opinion though)
So glad Zack lost
Good stuff to Elegant, but rough to lose on Zack's part. I feel bad for him
mrSEAsick Or I'm sad that my favorite Bayo player looked frustrated after a loss...?
+mrSEAsick Tbh, I see Zack haters riding that green missile.
omfg it was obviously suppose to be an up b to catch the tech in place.