Great call out on using the PCP and power supply as a program track. About 10 years ago, I bit the bullet and jumped to the full PowerPro with two 5 amp boosters. I am still using my PowerCab as my main throttle, but I fell into the “must use everything” mindtrap some other competitor system users squawk about. As a result, my PCP is being used at a critical location at the end of my cab bus and the power supply is is providing external power to the cab bus. Now that I want to set up a separate programming station on my bench, I am trying to find an older version UTP and alternate power source for my cab bus, so I don’t have to do a rewire of the bus. To anyone just starting to expand their cab bus, skip the flat 6 wire UTP’s and get the CAT 5 versions. They are far superior and allow you to use standard cat cables from any big box or electronics store. NCE uses the extra pair to double the carrier lines so not only is the cable cheaper, it provides better signal with less power drop. In addition, it already has the LED installed and has 4 bus ports on the back instead of just 2!
Good explanation... I purchased the SB5 several years ago and because of subsequent moves never took it out of the box...Now I am in the process of building my layout and moving onto wiring... Thanks for this fine video...
Superb ,i bought a booster as part of a NCE setup that was for sale more by accident than anything else! No wonder ive had several offers for my booster the ability to move/relocate the handsets anywhere on the layout is a great unexpected bonus!
Perfect explanation and visual representation!! Much appreciated! I just started my pike but i already know I’m going to want the SB5 and multiple panel ports around the layout to plug the throttle in wherever the work is being done.
I have DIGATRAX AND Im eletriction so I understand what ur saying. Instead of buying all them RJ 12 I would make my own . Tks for the VEDIO ur doing exly the way DIGATRAX SAYS ABOUT IT.
Great clip on NCE System. You explained everything throughly. Currently evolved at my local club building new layout from watching you video feel confident in what i have ahead of me.
Hey Deryk, Thank you very much for your great explination video of the NCE SB5 Power Cab System. Well I am located at Luebeck in northern germany and still using an older (very old) DCC Digital System made first by Roco Austria. It has lot of similarities to the NCE Power Cab system but with the differences of using 3 A to the track power but cannot reading CVs. The red cable wired throttles called Multimouses or shortened known as MM. Since GFN (Gebr. FLEISCHMANN Nuremburg) became a together Manufacturer with Roco Austria their together old DCC digital System are the same but the GFN MM throttles got grey color. That is ideal to use one of the MM as Master throttle together with the Booster to be the Command station with six wire flat cable. As slave MMs you can use up to 31 throttles but you need to split the slave connectors to operate more than one slave throttle. It is a weird Austrian system sometimes. The modern z21 system here has 3 A only but you can now reading out CVs but building consist addresses via CV19 is a little more complicated than with the NCE system of course. The white beginners z21 DCC System has the option to use a WLAN router as an additional option and as long as you don't using any tablet or android phone as your modern handheld wireless throttle than you cannot drive multiple traction units, easily. I am planning to upgrade my DCC system to NCE poewr Cab first and maybe later to SB5 pro cab. Still the price for a NCE power Cab is by around $ 250 and the SB5 Command station around $ 500 what still is wide above of my possibilities but I rhink it will it be worth than to invest more money into system which allows 3 A only per power circuit section. I run two different small modular layouts in H0 scale, one has the theme of an US based fictional roadname the Great Western & Atlantic RR of the Peach State of Georgia during the prohibition era in 1928 and the other theme modular layout is a fictional private owner Railroad based in the Imperial Prussian Kingdom in thf year of 1908 in northern Germany. For the prussian RR tge possibilities of the NCE power Cab would maybe enough, I think, it's a small layoug to operate mostly not more than 3 locos at the same time and not all are sound equipped. The NCE pro SB5 would be best for my modular US layout, to operate some double or tripple header steam locos with sound...well shorter oldtimer engines, only. Excuse please my poor british middle school english, I left school in 1988. Greetings from northern germany, Ingo
Deryk - I don't have DCC, don't really know anything about it and don't really anticipate getting it, BUT, your explanation was so clear, detailed and easy to understand I was able to follow it all completely with no problem. - Paul
You were correct stating 3 reasons for the SB5 1: no need to keep power cab plugged in 2: upgrade in power to layout so more engines can be on the layout 3: ability to have more cabs connected up to 6 If you ever will have more than 6 cabs the. You have to upgrade to the powerhouse command station. Great video! You explain things very well.
Thanks for the demo. I have an NCE PowerCab and I have the PCP, USB Connector, Auto-SW, a screw terminal, power jack, and on/off switch all in an enclosure and use it as a portable aerogramme until I get my layout completed at which time I plan to add an SB5, an RB02, Repeaters, and have my PowerCab upgraded to wireless.
super video dude ... i am using the hornby elite dcc controller at the moment ...... now i will be changing to this system now you have explained how easy this will be to connect ...... thanks 👍👍👍👍
I found your video as I was trying to figure out how to connect my SB5 to my new layout. I had a number of questions / concerns and you have cleared all of them up for me! I am now in the process of finalizing my wiring and will be able to run trains as I complete the layout. Thanks, Deryk!
In the process of going to the SB5 to complement my NCE Power Cab. Your video has greatly enhanced my understanding and made me decide to go ahead. Thanks for the great information presentation of what it is, what it does and how to hook it up. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I am new to model railroading and this type of help is golden.
Hey, i have bee a hard core dc guy for all these years and now i am looking at going dcc. So looking at all the videos at there. You gave me some great info, thank you.
My research lead me to buy a NCE system and a power cab to start me off. This great video answered some questions for me so thanks very much. I'm enjoying this build of yours so keep up the good work. P.S....Stop apologising for the shaking camera or the way you do things and other stuff, It's all part of the fun!!!! Stop apologising!!!!!!
Thanks for the video, Deryk. You can actually use either cable with the Power Cab when it's used in conjunction with the SB5. The coily coil is handier because it stays compact by design. With the 7' 6-contact cable it would be more apt to drag on the floor and become a trip hazard. The Power Cab doesn't care either way. However, it is important - as you pointed out - when the Power Cab is used as a stand-alone system.
Great video thank you I just bought one and I can’t figure this out so the PCP panel I have I won’t be using that anymore and I have to buy UTP panel so this will work correctly
very informative. one thing though, I had my NCE system for about a year before I got the booster. when I installed it none of my locos would run. so I called NCE and they told me that if I had locos set up in a consit I had to clear them and then re-enter them and that fixed the problem. just FYI
Excellent explanation of the system. I purchased the power cab, and as an N scaler, probably won't need the booster, but your vid certainly detailed the benefits of an upgrade.
OK Problem has been solved, i called NCE and it has to do with the CONSIST set up, what happens is the SB5 see's the ACTUAL consist 3 digit address and NOT the engine address you have assigned thru the PCP, once you know the ACTUAL consist number, for instance 126, thats what you call up when plugged into the SB5. Trains are running now as they should. Thank you for this GREAT video.
Very good video Deryk. I've been agonising over what control system to buy for my new layout for ages, but watching this video has made up my mind on Powercab. The equipment is not mega expensive and I love the way you can just add bits to it as you expand. Thanks for the great info. Colin UK
Great video. My layout is DC only right now but recently decided to go with the power cab because I have a couple of recent engine purchases were DCC / DC. But could not access to all the features. So my layout will be both DC and DCC. I have about a dozen DCC locomotives that I will finally hear all the sounds. I also decided to go with the SB5 and your video made my decision that much easier. Thanks for the great info.
Thanks for the great tutorial Deryk. I am just getting started building a layout and have abasic NCE set but will certainly add a smart booster right off the bat just for the featureof changing locations while a train is running. Your explanation of the setup was easyfor a novice to understand. Well done!
Thanks for the info. I have been trying to decide which power system to use. This video helped a lot in my decision. I don't have a huge layout but want the convenience of mobility without power shut down.
Very informative video Deryk. I'll look for others you have done. I have the Power Cab and will add the SB5 booster shortly. You've made my learning curve much easier!
Great information, the best I have seen on the SB5! Just to clarify the UTP panels form the SB5 do not need to be powered independently like the original panel on the Power Cab?
After watching this video, I subscribed to your page immediately. Enjoyed the tutorial video. Looking forward to other model train videos and tutorials currently posted and soon to come.
Hey great video!! Yes you can just plug in the USB interface into the booster - or any of the jacks you plug a cab into. Because the system treats the USB interface as any other throttle.
Great video and very detailed. I started with NCE about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago. I couldn't find a lot of info on how to. Wish I had seen something the way you explained it. I'm using with 2 dumb boosters and I run consists with multiple locos. Again, Great instructional video! NCE should pay you and use your video!
Thank you for this Derek, I had a rough idea of how my NCE system could be expanded but I really didn't have a full understanding like I do now, so thank you very much for this!
Deryk, that is probably the best video you have done. GREAT info!! This applies perfectly to me as I also use the Power Cab. I just added the SB5 to my wish list. I have a couple spots on my layout that I can't reach with the standard setup and it would be great to be able to move the throttle around the layout. Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with this…
Thanks for the info! How many locomotives were you able to run at once with the original Power Cab alone and at what speed? Have any lighted or sound cars? Planning a new layout and trying to determine how much power (amps) it will really need based on real world measurements and not assumptions!
@DG Modelworks you CAN have a program track! There is a little chip you can buy from NCE that goes between the track out on the booster and the track, and it divides up the signal and tells the controller that there is a program track port, allowing you to use its program track function.
I beg to differ. What is the part # of this 'little chip'? Please enlighten me! The NCE Auto Switch (part# 524-226) will NOT work with the SB5. The AutoSW is designed to be used with the Powercab in the original starter set configuration only.This will not work with the SB5 because the SB5 does not have a programming track output or programming track capabilities. Therefore it cannot activate the AutoSW. ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203363299-AutoSW-does-not-work-with-SB5
+DG Modelworks yikes! glad you posted this before i bought my set. But wait, then can i use the auto sw with the original faceplate and setup a programming/test track in my shed? ps, sorry if i caused any aggrovation, i just was trying to be helpful.
+5dmc1 Not a problem buddy. Sorry if I came across harshly. Usually people like to criticize my work. You can use the Auto Switch with the Powercab setup. Just not with the SB5. So yes your idea will work.
+DG Modelworks no worries. Dont listen to what other people critisize, the only person who should be happy with your layout is you. Anyway, i subbed, and i look forward to the next layout update.
Great tutorial Deryk! I really appreciate this video. I think that this will probably be our next DCC upgrade as I'd mentioned earlier. I've really only used one other DCC system and that's the Digitrax Super Empire Builder. Essentially it's the comparable version to this setup, and I really like being able to plug and unplug and have trains keep running. There's something fun about having to walk around a layout and hopefully you have a lot of fun operating! -Cam
You are very welcome Cam. If you have the money I would just skip the Powercab and go for one of their bigger systems to start with. The smart booster is just an upgrade for people who started with the Powercab.
***** Yeah. That's why I was confused at first. It didn't look like there was anywhere to go from the PowerCab (that's what we use), but the SB5 + PowerCab is kind of like a medium size DCC system in its own. And it's much less of a single investment than one of NCE's PH Pro "starter" systems.
railfan220 one of the great things with NCE is that just about ALL of there equipment cooperates/melds together. You can take the Power Cab (and the SB5) and use it on a powerhouse pro for example, it becomes a ProCab System.The SB5 in this case would just add another 5 amps.
Yes! Thanks Drew. I really like how you can mix and match. The SB5 looks great, and as you say, it looks like you can add the PH Pro for a 10amp system if needed. Or if you knew you needed a 10amp system off the bat, you could do the PH Pro and DB5. ORRRR, you can get the PH Pro 10 (or something like that) that has 10amps built in. So many options! Thanks for pointing that out! -Cam
I upgraded to the SB5 for the ability to have the walk around. Even though I have a small layout and will only have 3 panels at the most and will have one or two friends who will be able to operate as well.
Awesome Deryk! I use a Lenz system and it has Booster/Command station which is separate from the throttles. I guess the main difference is the NCE Power Cab has a lot more features. I started out in DCC with an Atlas System years ago and the Lenz system was a natural upgrade however if I was new to DCC I would definitely go with NCE because it really is the most user friendly system out there. Great informative video!
Thanks Tim, Glad it helped out. Like I told another user, if you are looking to purchase an NCE system and have the money, get one of the bigger systems. This smart booster is an upgrade for the Powercab, which is considered a starter system. Thank you again Tim!
Very helpful can the system be used with other makes of systems on separate districts on the layout DCC is meant to be compatible but I wonder if any other DCC users have been able to use 2 systems on their Layout Thanks for the info in your video Brill
You've actually gave more than three reasons. Quite importantly to many people, moving from the PowerCab to the Smart Booster 5, the unplugging 3:50 and replugging while your train keeps rolling is key. With a large layout, you'd need a brakeman to flip manual switches with a Power Cab, or, you'd have to stop your train every time you switch and uncouple if you were alone. And, furthermore, you can now obtain a UTP CAT5 Panel that allows one to use CAT5 cables... used for previous internet computer connections. You may need to update your RJ12/Accessory Link to: www.midwestmodelrr.com/product-category/dcc-2/dcc-accessories/ Just an extra step/click.
Thanks for sharing .. great video..thinking about getting that system for my first HO layout and putting in on my O gauge base and getting rid of the O gauge stuff. .
The NCE/USB dose have some limitations but from what i see that you are doing at the moment i dont think it would affect you unless you plan to use something like the AIU-01
thanks, great job but I have a question. I will have a 5X9 N gauge and I will be the only operator. At most I will run 4 trains max. As such do you think I will need a SB5 smart booster? I willl also have a couple of turnouts working via my power cab. Thanks
Once you program on a track separated from the mainline, which has the booster, is the info you changed on the loco still retained once go from program (pro cab) to mainline (booster)? Trying to start my own layout once I'm finally home. I want to buy NCE CB's but no one has a video on how you would set them up or separate into districts. Do you need 2 for each district? One on each end?
Once you program your loco, all that info is stored on the decoder inside the loco, so it will be retained. You can run differen't power districts with just one booster or cab.
Deryk, Just I am a new subscriber to you Utube group. with that said I just finished watching your FP40 project videos parts 1 & 2 which I liked. I Just wanted to say well done.... I have watched many many of your videos and have found them a real bonus, and though my railroad is N scale because of greatly reduced space limitations I still find many of your ways of doing thing in HO still pertain to my N Scale endeavors . I am working on a layout that I hope will capture the flavor of SP and UP railroading in the Cascades. time will tell. Will be following all your new posts and going back to review many of your older offerings. So my friend Keep up the excellent work andI will be looking for you further down the track. Bill in Irwin, Pa
I have 2 Broadway Limited E8'S lashed up, that's all I have running the non sound dcc run ok , but the e8 's start and stop , do you think I need more track voltage?
First off, GREAT video, D. VERY useful information here. Even answered a couple of my questions I had about the system. Any particular reason you chose not to go with the wireless controller other than cost? Second, looking around during your video, I noticed well, I think i noticed you have concrete floors in the room? I would (after the layout is done of course) put some carpet down there even if it's just piece-mealed together. It's amazing what a few pieces of carpet can do for you to help keep some heat in the room and plus it' would be better for your feet as well instead of the cold hard concrete all the time. I have done this in my writing office, and it has helped tremendously. It doesn't fill up the whole room but only a portion and I just went to the local carpet place and ask if they had any scraps of carpet they were going to throw away...man you would NOT BELIEVE the amount you can come home with...it's almost scary. Anywho, GREAT GREAT vid on this one buddy. Looking forward to the next one! Best, John
John Prescott Thanks John! You are correct about the cost being the main factor with not going wireless. Plus...with the size of my layout and the possibility of op sessions with more than one person, the booster was something that surely won't go to waste. I still might go wireless in the future, but I also might just use some cheap tablets. Time will tell. I also agree with your carpet suggestion. That is something I will definitely have to do! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Take care!
Great video Deryk, very informative! I liked how you explained everything very clearly. Unlike my videos I really need to work on rehearsing mine. I always get tounge tied or go blank lol.
sdyoung Thanks Steve. Your videos are really good. And believe it or not, I don't really rehearse. But sometimes I have to redo it a couple times before I get it right, LOL
Great video I have 4 locos running on track .I have a bus wire of adequate size. When they are at full speed they start slowly down. Do you think I need the booster
Here is a question, i have the power cab and just bought this same BOOSTER, do i NEED the UTP panel to make it work? I can seem to make the system work and i did NOT buy a UTP panel because i didn't know it was needed! Thanks for your response, this video explained it all except that part if one NEEDS the UTP panel in order to get this system going.
When daisy chaining the UTPs, do you use a 6P6C (six-wire) flat cable between each UTP? Or, do you only need 4P4C (four-wire) cables since the track power is provided by the SB5?
I have NCE procab version 1.3 (no power source ,or battery accept), SB5 booster, minipanel version 1.0. The minipanel has 3 (6-pin) cable inputs marked J1,J2,J3. J3 marked "set-up"; tiny input in center marked "prog". Are these compatable? I can make a "program track" or possible on the main? Enjoy your videos and always thumbs up
I have no experience with the mini panels. I am not sure. Maybe this link can be of some use for you. ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200980015-Mini-Panel-The-NCE-Route-and-Automation-Controller
robert van ooyen Yes I have, but for now this was the cheaper solution. I would need a wireless base station and then a wireless throttle. I still might do that down the road, depending on my finances.
Amazing video how to Deryk!! Lots of useful information. Anytime I can learn more about DCC I am better off for it! Your delivery and method of explaining all the connections was superb!!! Thanks for posting this...
brian102256 Thank you so much Brian! That really means a lot. I wish I could help you with your Prodigy issue, but I have no experience with that. Hope you get it fixed or replaced soon!
I have the same dilemma as Scott Downey ... stay with NCE or go Digitrax. I love my Power Pro, but as I design my layout, I know I want block detection and signals, and the Digitrax stuff is the most cost effective way to get that. I know I can have a mixed system, still using NCE for throttles, but I am not sure that's the easiest method long term. I have a PC and JMRI (and Withrottle) already working. I dunno ... decisions decisions ...
I WATCH MIKE FIFER VID'S AND FOR NCE HE SELLS A AUTO SWITCH FOR NCE ACCORDING TO HIM WHEN U HOOK UP AUTO SWITCH U DON'T HAVE TO DISCONECT POWER CAB , TO DO PROGRAMING ON THE PROGRAM TRACK.
Do you need a UTP for the Smart Booster? Because I tried to plug in my Power Cab Controller to the Booster, with the coil cable and none of my locomotives wouldn’t run? Only the lights and sounds would work
No you don't need a UTP panel, that just allows you to plug in from different spots on the layout. As long as you have your track wires run to the booster and the volt switch set correctly on the back, everything should work.
Have a quick ?, Just received my pro cab an hooked all as shown with my ESU/ DCC Ferromex an it keeps bringing up something about CV? Was wondering be if I could get some tips or info on what I need to do. Thanks an much appreciated.
Hi there , how many sound loco's could be run with the basic Powercab controller at the same time . I like to run two on my main line and maybe do a little shunting in the sidings as well , my Hornby Select can cope but cannot alter any CV's so looking to replace it . Regards.....Peter . UK
Hi Peter, The Powercab is a 2 amp system, so it all depends on how many amps your locomotives are using. You shouldn't have any problem running 3 HO scale sound locos. I wouldn't expect you could run many more than that though. It also depends on how many accessories you might have running off the track power, such as lighted passenger cars, or any other cars which might use track power. Those will also be using some of the Powercab's amps. I can't give you a definitive 'YES' or 'NO' answer because everyone's layout and models are slightly different. Some locos and decoders use more amps that other. But you should be just fine running 3 sound locos at the same time. 4 maybe... 5 would be pushing your luck. Thanks! ~Deryk
Thanks for the reply and the sub , I will of course get in touch with the UK retailer before buying . Your video was great to watch , easy to follow and very informative . Cheers......Peter .
I have an HO "walk-in" layout 12' X 18'... I have eight running locomotives, of different brands of dcc... three two-loco' lash-ups/consists (two consist's with differing dcc decoder brands.), and two single locomotives... eight loco's in all. I can run the three consist's simultaneously (even with level diamonds/crossings) pulling different length and weighted rollingstock/wagons. The amps are also dependent on the drag on the locomotives... and the rate you increase/decrease the trains. Set the single throttle/cab controller to display the track power... this is a key identification feature, especially when you're a single layout operator. My layout is a stretched-double folded dog-bone (makes for a four-track mainline) arrangement with one 18"/46 cm reverse section. Oh, one 16 foot approach staging set of tracks. One NCE Power Cab two amps. My next expenditure will be an NCE Smart Booster, because I have the single eight foot flat cord and anything longer just isn't enough put out the two amps'... a second person is ideal, but for now I am playing all parts of railroading.
Sorry Deryk, I added a comment in the wrong video, I meant to add it here about the NCE Smart Boost , this might increase track voltage? Not sure cause some of my sound locomotives start up go a few inches , then shut down not sure why.
Are all new purchased HO and N locomotives able to be run with the NCE Power cab control? How are HO and N locomotives listed for NCE Power cab use, so that I purchase correctly? What is the price of NCE Power cab control system? . I was going to buy O gage Legacy, but NCE Power Cab, I will save money going to HO model train. I have viewed about 20 hours of video on all size trains and controls. Please give some advise to make basic initial HO or N train set-up.
As long as they are DCC yes to your question. The SB5 has a selector where you can select voltage. 12 volts for N GAUGE 13.8V for HO is what is recommended. The system runs 175.00 USD.
Deryk, thanks for this and your other great videos. They are really helpful, and I really appreciate them. A question: This video suggests that you have not divided your layout up into power districts. That is, I don't see a CP6 with bus wires running to separate areas of the layout. Do you feel this isn't necessary on your layout? (When finished, my layout will fill up the better part of a 10' by 12' room, and I have been planning on dividing it up into 4 power districts.) Thanks again for your great videos. ...Roy
N-Scale Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision Thanks Roy. I actually considered breaking it up into power districts, but decided to not do it. Some people may disagree with my decision, and I may end up regretting it later on. I don't know. The main reason for my decision, is 99% of the time it will just be me operating, so if I have a derail that causes a short, I'm only hurting myself and not everyone else operating. I didn't feel the extra wiring was worth it at this time. It may be something I revisit as the layout progresses.
How big is your layout and how many engines do you run and are you happy with just the SB5 to power your layout or do you have more boosters on your layout
My layout is roughly 15' by 17' . I'm very happy with my SB5. I've only ever had 3 locos running at one time, but with 5 amps you should be able to run 7-10 HO scale locos at a time.
On you UTP panels that go around your layout, do you need to have extra wall warts plugged in or can you just have them running like you show in this video
Totally new to DCC after being away from HO modeling for 35 years. Help! Recommendations on how, where to start? Plan to start with a modular HO layout. Thanks!!
Start with a DCC starter system. I highly recommend the NCE Powercab if you are looking for a handheld. Digitrax has the Zephyr if you want a base station style.
this is awesome, now after watching all the vids it was worth it to rebuild, i really want to do the NCE SB5 as well. since i want to do it from the start should just get an nce pro cab and the sb5? i have a separate programming track and a bli address changer, so i dont need to program on the main...
Tony Fleetwood If you are just now going to purchase an NCE system, and if money isn't a big concern, then I would just buy one of their Power Pro systems right from the beginning. Either the 5 amp or the 10 amp. Check out their website for more info. www.ncedcc.com
I have a question about the power supply for the booster it had a switch on it that says 13.8 volts and 12 volts which one should the power supply be set too?
looking at trainworld.com right now and it seems like it has 2 different places to put your track bus line. One is labeled TRACK and the other POWER. Which one would I plug my main bus line in?
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I do not use wi-fi so I`m not sure if you ment to hook up to a Wireless router via a USB adapter but on my CS you can Connect it to a Wireless router via a rj45 cable. You might also be able to do that With Your system...
Nice review and description! the SB5 is definitely the best, and the natural first upgrade for the Power Cab. Operations ARE a little easier when your Power Cab becomes a Pro Cab, essentially, and doesn't always have to be plugged in. IMHO, you could even expand your original Power Cab some more, with one or two DB5 "Dumb Boosters". After that - if you need more than 15 continuous amps.... It may be time for some rewiring on your HOUSE! :O
Thanks Carmine! Until I have more people doing op sessions, the single SB5 should be all the power I will need. I DO wish I had wireless throttles though.
+Deryk Glass I couldn't imagine you needing more than one DB5 - and no time soon... I wouldn't mind going wireless myself, but I don't see having the funds... But then, I'm still not sure about what I'm doing with my Layout anyway! :P
Great call out on using the PCP and power supply as a program track. About 10 years ago, I bit the bullet and jumped to the full PowerPro with two 5 amp boosters. I am still using my PowerCab as my main throttle, but I fell into the “must use everything” mindtrap some other competitor system users squawk about. As a result, my PCP is being used at a critical location at the end of my cab bus and the power supply is is providing external power to the cab bus. Now that I want to set up a separate programming station on my bench, I am trying to find an older version UTP and alternate power source for my cab bus, so I don’t have to do a rewire of the bus.
To anyone just starting to expand their cab bus, skip the flat 6 wire UTP’s and get the CAT 5 versions. They are far superior and allow you to use standard cat cables from any big box or electronics store. NCE uses the extra pair to double the carrier lines so not only is the cable cheaper, it provides better signal with less power drop. In addition, it already has the LED installed and has 4 bus ports on the back instead of just 2!
Good explanation... I purchased the SB5 several years ago and because of subsequent moves never took it out of the box...Now I am in the process of building my layout and moving onto wiring... Thanks for this fine video...
Glad it helped! Thanks for the support!
Superb ,i bought a booster as part of a NCE setup that was for sale more by accident than anything else! No wonder ive had several offers for my booster the ability to move/relocate the handsets anywhere on the layout is a great unexpected bonus!
Perfect explanation and visual representation!! Much appreciated!
I just started my pike but i already know I’m going to want the SB5 and multiple panel ports around the layout to plug the throttle in wherever the work is being done.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful!
I have DIGATRAX AND Im eletriction so I understand what ur saying. Instead of buying all them RJ 12 I would make my own . Tks for the VEDIO ur doing exly the way DIGATRAX SAYS ABOUT IT.
Great clip on NCE System. You explained everything throughly. Currently evolved at my local club building new layout from watching you video feel confident in what i have ahead of me.
Hey Deryk,
Thank you very much for your great explination video of the NCE SB5 Power Cab System.
Well I am located at Luebeck in northern germany and still using an older (very old) DCC Digital System made first by Roco Austria. It has lot of similarities to the NCE Power Cab system but with the differences of using 3 A to the track power but cannot reading CVs.
The red cable wired throttles called Multimouses or shortened known as MM.
Since GFN (Gebr. FLEISCHMANN Nuremburg) became a together Manufacturer with Roco Austria their together old DCC digital System are the same but the GFN MM throttles got grey color. That is ideal to use one of the MM as Master throttle together with the Booster to be the Command station with six wire flat cable.
As slave MMs you can use up to 31 throttles but you need to split the slave connectors to operate more than one slave throttle. It is a weird Austrian system sometimes.
The modern z21 system here has 3 A only but you can now reading out CVs but building consist addresses via CV19 is a little more complicated than with the NCE system of course.
The white beginners z21 DCC System has the option to use a WLAN router as an additional option and as long as you don't using any tablet or android phone as your modern handheld wireless throttle than you cannot drive multiple traction units, easily.
I am planning to upgrade my DCC system to NCE poewr Cab first and maybe later to SB5 pro cab.
Still the price for a NCE power Cab is by around $ 250 and the SB5 Command station around $ 500 what still is wide above of my possibilities but I rhink it will it be worth than to invest more money into system which allows 3 A only per power circuit section.
I run two different small modular layouts in H0 scale, one has the theme of an US based fictional roadname the Great Western & Atlantic RR of the Peach State of Georgia during the prohibition era in 1928 and the other theme modular layout is a fictional private owner Railroad based in the Imperial Prussian Kingdom in thf year of 1908 in northern Germany.
For the prussian RR tge possibilities of the NCE power Cab would maybe enough, I think, it's a small layoug to operate mostly not more than 3 locos at the same time and not all are sound equipped.
The NCE pro SB5 would be best for my modular US layout, to operate some double or tripple header steam locos with sound...well shorter oldtimer engines, only.
Excuse please my poor british middle school english, I left school in 1988.
Greetings from northern germany, Ingo
This was excellent for a person like myself not very familiar with the SB5. Thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
About the 13:38 mark you talk about how you cut your bus in half to mount your power cab halfway through. Do you have a diagram for that?
Almost bought an NCE system last week but I wasn't sure what the differences were between the different cabs. Now I understand thanks for the video.
Deryk - I don't have DCC, don't really know anything about it and don't really anticipate getting it, BUT, your explanation was so clear, detailed and easy to understand I was able to follow it all completely with no problem. - Paul
CB&QGuy Thank you so much Paul. It's comments like this that make feel like I am doing something right. I appreciate this more than you know!
You were correct stating 3 reasons for the SB5
1: no need to keep power cab plugged in
2: upgrade in power to layout so more engines can be on the layout
3: ability to have more cabs connected up to 6
If you ever will have more than 6 cabs the. You have to upgrade to the powerhouse command station.
Great video! You explain things very well.
Thanks Chris!
Thanks for the demo. I have an NCE PowerCab and I have the PCP, USB Connector, Auto-SW, a screw terminal, power jack, and on/off switch all in an enclosure and use it as a portable aerogramme until I get my layout completed at which time I plan to add an SB5, an RB02, Repeaters, and have my PowerCab upgraded to wireless.
super video dude ... i am using the hornby elite dcc controller at the moment ...... now i will be changing to this system now you have explained how easy this will be to connect ...... thanks 👍👍👍👍
Thanks! Glad it helped!
@@DGModelworks just subscribed for more cool content .... thanks
I found your video as I was trying to figure out how to connect my SB5 to my new layout. I had a number of questions / concerns and you have cleared all of them up for me! I am now in the process of finalizing my wiring and will be able to run trains as I complete the layout. Thanks, Deryk!
+Eric Young Thanks Eric! I'm glad I could help you out!
In the process of going to the SB5 to complement my NCE Power Cab. Your video has greatly enhanced my understanding and made me decide to go ahead. Thanks for the great information presentation of what it is, what it does and how to hook it up. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I am new to model railroading and this type of help is golden.
Thank you for the video. I found it to be very informative. I am looking at the NCE system for my layout. Thanks for sharing, David
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this Deryk, it was exactly what I needed! All the best. Andy UK
Great to hear!
I appreciate the time taken to walk me through the next step in DCC for my emerging layout. Cheers, Peter, Canada
Hey, i have bee a hard core dc guy for all these years and now i am looking at going dcc. So looking at all the videos at there. You gave me some great info, thank you.
Jeff Dahlgren Thanks Jeff! I'm glad to hear it helped.
My research lead me to buy a NCE system and a power cab to start me off. This great video answered some questions for me so thanks very much. I'm enjoying this build of yours so keep up the good work. P.S....Stop apologising for the shaking camera or the way you do things and other stuff, It's all part of the fun!!!! Stop apologising!!!!!!
Richard Redcastle Thanks Richard! I will try to stop apologizing. LOL
Thanks for the video, Deryk. You can actually use either cable with the Power Cab when it's used in conjunction with the SB5. The coily coil is handier because it stays compact by design. With the 7' 6-contact cable it would be more apt to drag on the floor and become a trip hazard. The Power Cab doesn't care either way. However, it is important - as you pointed out - when the Power Cab is used as a stand-alone system.
Great video thank you I just bought one and I can’t figure this out so the PCP panel I have I won’t be using that anymore and I have to buy UTP panel so this will work correctly
very informative. one thing though, I had my NCE system for about a year before I got the booster. when I installed it none of my locos would run. so I called NCE and they told me that if I had locos set up in a consit I had to clear them and then re-enter them and that fixed the problem. just FYI
Excellent explanation of the system. I purchased the power cab, and as an N scaler, probably won't need the booster, but your vid certainly detailed the benefits of an upgrade.
Steve Tee Thanks Steve! Always happy to hear that I've helped someone out.
OK Problem has been solved, i called NCE and it has to do with the CONSIST set up, what happens is the SB5 see's the ACTUAL consist 3 digit address and NOT the engine address you have assigned thru the PCP, once you know the ACTUAL consist number, for instance 126, thats what you call up when plugged into the SB5. Trains are running now as they should. Thank you for this GREAT video.
Very good video Deryk. I've been agonising over what control system to buy for my new layout for ages, but watching this video has made up my mind on Powercab. The equipment is not mega expensive and I love the way you can just add bits to it as you expand. Thanks for the great info.
Colin
UK
Great video. My layout is DC only right now but recently decided to go with the power cab because I have a couple of recent engine purchases were DCC / DC. But could not access to all the features. So my layout will be both DC and DCC. I have about a dozen DCC locomotives that I will finally hear all the sounds. I also decided to go with the SB5 and your video made my decision that much easier. Thanks for the great info.
Thanks for the great tutorial Deryk. I am just getting started building a layout and have abasic NCE set but will certainly add a smart booster right off the bat just for the featureof changing locations while a train is running. Your explanation of the setup was easyfor a novice to understand. Well done!
Just got mine, wow is it light, but it works great, i didn't need the instructions after watching this video. Thanks
THE VID IS ( HOW TO USE DC AND DCC ON THE SAME LAYOUT ) JAN. 19. 2015 WHICH HE TALKS ABOUT THE AUTO SWITCH FOR NCE. LOOK IT UP . TKS A LOT.
Thanks for the info...Mike Fifer is a really great guy!
Thanks for sharing. Very good explanation of the differences.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the info. I have been trying to decide which power system to use. This video helped a lot in my decision. I don't have a huge layout but want the convenience of mobility without power shut down.
Danny Tice Awesome! Glad I could provide some information.
I got the nce power cab recently and this is a great explanation for questions I had and now have been answered thank you very much.
your videos r the reason I bought the power cab system, great videos you helped explain alot.
Thanks Kelly!
Very informative video Deryk. I'll look for others you have done. I have the Power Cab and will add the SB5 booster shortly. You've made my learning curve much easier!
Great information, the best I have seen on the SB5! Just to clarify the UTP panels form the SB5 do not need to be powered independently like the original panel on the Power Cab?
That is correct....They get their power from the SB5 Thanks!
After watching this video, I subscribed to your page immediately. Enjoyed the tutorial video. Looking forward to other model train videos and tutorials currently posted and soon to come.
Very helpful. Thanks for doing this!
Glad it was helpful!
Hey great video!! Yes you can just plug in the USB interface into the booster - or any of the jacks you plug a cab into. Because the system treats the USB interface as any other throttle.
That's what I thought Drew! Thanks for the verification.
no problem! Not going to lie I am really excited for you!
drewzdrew27 Thanks Buddy!
thank you this has made it a lot simpler to under stand .When my layout is finished i will need a SB5 ithink again thank you
+graham day You're welcome Graham! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video and very detailed. I started with NCE about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago. I couldn't find a lot of info on how to. Wish I had seen something the way you explained it. I'm using with 2 dumb boosters and I run consists with multiple locos. Again, Great instructional video! NCE should pay you and use your video!
Jimmy43 Thanks Jimmy! That really means a lot! NCE is a very nice system.
Thank you for this Derek, I had a rough idea of how my NCE system could be expanded but I really didn't have a full understanding like I do now, so thank you very much for this!
SLO70 Thanks! I'm just glad it helped out.
Deryk, that is probably the best video you have done. GREAT info!! This applies perfectly to me as I also use the Power Cab. I just added the SB5 to my wish list. I have a couple spots on my layout that I can't reach with the standard setup and it would be great to be able to move the throttle around the layout. Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with this…
BNSF9382 Thank you so much Jeff! I am happy it helped you out and gave you some information!
Thanks for the info! How many locomotives were you able to run at once with the original Power Cab alone and at what speed? Have any lighted or sound cars? Planning a new layout and trying to determine how much power (amps) it will really need based on real world measurements and not assumptions!
I never had more than 3 locos running at the same time without a booster, and it was just fine. I never figured out how many it would handle.
Thanks for doing this video. It has helped me a lot in which system I am gonna go to.
+Penn78 Thank you! Glad it helped!
@DG Modelworks you CAN have a program track! There is a little chip you can buy from NCE that goes between the track out on the booster and the track, and it divides up the signal and tells the controller that there is a program track port, allowing you to use its program track function.
I beg to differ. What is the part # of this 'little chip'? Please enlighten me!
The NCE Auto Switch (part# 524-226) will NOT work with the SB5. The AutoSW is designed to be used with the Powercab in the original starter set configuration only.This will not work with the SB5 because the SB5 does not have a programming track output or programming track capabilities. Therefore it cannot activate the AutoSW.
ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203363299-AutoSW-does-not-work-with-SB5
+DG Modelworks yikes! glad you posted this before i bought my set. But wait, then can i use the auto sw with the original faceplate and setup a programming/test track in my shed?
ps, sorry if i caused any aggrovation, i just was trying to be helpful.
+5dmc1 Not a problem buddy. Sorry if I came across harshly. Usually people like to criticize my work.
You can use the Auto Switch with the Powercab setup. Just not with the SB5. So yes your idea will work.
+DG Modelworks no worries. Dont listen to what other people critisize, the only person who should be happy with your layout is you.
Anyway, i subbed, and i look forward to the next layout update.
+DG Modelworks do you know if the SB5 can connect to the computer for use with JMRI and other programs to run stuff on the layout?
Great tutorial Deryk! I really appreciate this video. I think that this will probably be our next DCC upgrade as I'd mentioned earlier. I've really only used one other DCC system and that's the Digitrax Super Empire Builder. Essentially it's the comparable version to this setup, and I really like being able to plug and unplug and have trains keep running. There's something fun about having to walk around a layout and hopefully you have a lot of fun operating!
-Cam
You are very welcome Cam. If you have the money I would just skip the Powercab and go for one of their bigger systems to start with. The smart booster is just an upgrade for people who started with the Powercab.
***** Yeah. That's why I was confused at first. It didn't look like there was anywhere to go from the PowerCab (that's what we use), but the SB5 + PowerCab is kind of like a medium size DCC system in its own. And it's much less of a single investment than one of NCE's PH Pro "starter" systems.
railfan220 one of the great things with NCE is that just about ALL of there equipment cooperates/melds together. You can take the Power Cab (and the SB5) and use it on a powerhouse pro for example, it becomes a ProCab System.The SB5 in this case would just add another 5 amps.
Good info there Drew!
Yes! Thanks Drew. I really like how you can mix and match. The SB5 looks great, and as you say, it looks like you can add the PH Pro for a 10amp system if needed. Or if you knew you needed a 10amp system off the bat, you could do the PH Pro and DB5. ORRRR, you can get the PH Pro 10 (or something like that) that has 10amps built in. So many options! Thanks for pointing that out!
-Cam
I upgraded to the SB5 for the ability to have the walk around. Even though I have a small layout and will only have 3 panels at the most and will have one or two friends who will be able to operate as well.
That's mainly why I did it also.
Awesome Deryk! I use a Lenz system and it has Booster/Command station which is separate from the throttles. I guess the main difference is the NCE Power Cab has a lot more features. I started out in DCC with an Atlas System years ago and the Lenz system was a natural upgrade however if I was new to DCC I would definitely go with NCE because it really is the most user friendly system out there. Great informative video!
Thanks Tim, Glad it helped out. Like I told another user, if you are looking to purchase an NCE system and have the money, get one of the bigger systems. This smart booster is an upgrade for the Powercab, which is considered a starter system. Thank you again Tim!
This was great! thanks very much. i have the power cab installed and working but need extra power. i just got the SB5 and am gong to install ASAP.
Very helpful can the system be used with other makes of systems on separate districts on the layout DCC is meant to be compatible but I wonder if any other DCC users have been able to use 2 systems on their Layout
Thanks for the info in your video Brill
I honestly don't know of anyone who has used 2 different systems on their layout...
You've actually gave more than three reasons. Quite importantly to many people, moving from the PowerCab to the Smart Booster 5, the unplugging 3:50 and replugging while your train keeps rolling is key. With a large layout, you'd need a brakeman to flip manual switches with a Power Cab, or, you'd have to stop your train every time you switch and uncouple if you were alone.
And, furthermore, you can now obtain a UTP CAT5 Panel that allows one to use CAT5 cables... used for previous internet computer connections.
You may need to update your RJ12/Accessory Link to:
www.midwestmodelrr.com/product-category/dcc-2/dcc-accessories/
Just an extra step/click.
Good job! It helped me to understand the upgrade to the booster. Thanks.
cool demonstration of the NCE Controlstuff ! We use Digitrax
Rarawer Thanks Matthias! Digitrax is cool too..!
Excellent video. Thank you.
Thank you! You are welcome!
Thanks for sharing .. great video..thinking about getting that system for my first HO layout and putting in on my O gauge base and getting rid of the O gauge stuff. .
Lance Weber Thanks Lance!
Excellent video! Covered everything i needed.
The NCE/USB dose have some limitations but from what i see that you are doing at the moment i dont think it would affect you unless you plan to use something like the AIU-01
thanks, great job but I have a question. I will have a 5X9 N gauge and I will be the only operator. At most I will run 4 trains max. As such do you think I will need a SB5 smart booster? I willl also have a couple of turnouts working via my power cab. Thanks
I need to order those panels, but they stock one works just pull out power supply plug and hook up just like you showed and it works.
The wires that plug into the utp panel from the sb5 are they 4 wire or 6 wire cables from sb5 to the utp panel?
They are 6 wire cables.
Once you program on a track separated from the mainline, which has the booster, is the info you changed on the loco still retained once go from program (pro cab) to mainline (booster)? Trying to start my own layout once I'm finally home. I want to buy NCE CB's but no one has a video on how you would set them up or separate into districts. Do you need 2 for each district? One on each end?
Once you program your loco, all that info is stored on the decoder inside the loco, so it will be retained. You can run differen't power districts with just one booster or cab.
Deryk, Just I am a new subscriber to you Utube group. with that said I just finished watching your FP40 project videos parts 1 & 2 which I liked. I Just wanted to say well done.... I have watched many many of your videos and have found them a real bonus, and though my railroad is N scale because of greatly reduced space limitations I still find many of your ways of doing thing in HO still pertain to my N Scale endeavors . I am working on a layout that I hope will capture the flavor of SP and UP railroading in the Cascades. time will tell. Will be following all your new posts and going back to review many of your older offerings. So my friend Keep up the excellent work andI will be looking for you further down the track. Bill in Irwin, Pa
I have 2 Broadway Limited E8'S lashed up, that's all I have running the non sound dcc run ok , but the e8 's start and stop , do you think I need more track voltage?
Great video! Ill be posting some of my O scale Norfolk Southern Monongahela Line soon.
First off, GREAT video, D. VERY useful information here. Even answered a couple of my questions I had about the system. Any particular reason you chose not to go with the wireless controller other than cost?
Second, looking around during your video, I noticed well, I think i noticed you have concrete floors in the room? I would (after the layout is done of course) put some carpet down there even if it's just piece-mealed together. It's amazing what a few pieces of carpet can do for you to help keep some heat in the room and plus it' would be better for your feet as well instead of the cold hard concrete all the time. I have done this in my writing office, and it has helped tremendously. It doesn't fill up the whole room but only a portion and I just went to the local carpet place and ask if they had any scraps of carpet they were going to throw away...man you would NOT BELIEVE the amount you can come home with...it's almost scary. Anywho, GREAT GREAT vid on this one buddy. Looking forward to the next one!
Best,
John
John Prescott Thanks John! You are correct about the cost being the main factor with not going wireless. Plus...with the size of my layout and the possibility of op sessions with more than one person, the booster was something that surely won't go to waste. I still might go wireless in the future, but I also might just use some cheap tablets. Time will tell. I also agree with your carpet suggestion. That is something I will definitely have to do! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Take care!
Great video Deryk, very informative! I liked how you explained everything very clearly. Unlike my videos I really need to work on rehearsing mine. I always get tounge tied or go blank lol.
sdyoung Thanks Steve. Your videos are really good. And believe it or not, I don't really rehearse. But sometimes I have to redo it a couple times before I get it right, LOL
Great video
I have 4 locos running on track .I have a bus wire of adequate size. When they are at full speed they start slowly down. Do you think I need the booster
That's what it sounds like to me. Try it with 3 locos only, if it works just fine, then I would say 4 locos are too much for just the Powercab.
Here is a question, i have the power cab and just bought this same BOOSTER, do i NEED the UTP panel to make it work? I can seem to make the system work and i did NOT buy a UTP panel because i didn't know it was needed! Thanks for your response, this video explained it all except that part if one NEEDS the UTP panel in order to get this system going.
No you don't need any UTP panels. You can connect your Powercab and track wires directly to the SB5 booster.
When daisy chaining the UTPs, do you use a 6P6C (six-wire) flat cable between each UTP? Or, do you only need 4P4C (four-wire) cables since the track power is provided by the SB5?
You need to use the 6 wire when daisy chaining the UTP panels. The 4 wire cable is used to connect your powercab handheld to the panels.
I have NCE procab version 1.3 (no power source ,or battery accept), SB5 booster, minipanel version 1.0. The minipanel has 3 (6-pin) cable inputs marked J1,J2,J3. J3 marked "set-up"; tiny input in center marked "prog". Are these compatable? I can make a "program track" or possible on the main? Enjoy your videos and always thumbs up
I have no experience with the mini panels. I am not sure. Maybe this link can be of some use for you. ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200980015-Mini-Panel-The-NCE-Route-and-Automation-Controller
Did you check the option to use wireless for moving round the layout? Saves a lot on wiring. Depends on the system used I guess. Robert.
robert van ooyen Yes I have, but for now this was the cheaper solution. I would need a wireless base station and then a wireless throttle. I still might do that down the road, depending on my finances.
I got an education tonight, thanks for this video.
Thanks Bill, like I told ole Bob, I hope you brought your #2 pencil. hahaha
Amazing video how to Deryk!! Lots of useful information. Anytime I can learn more about DCC I am better off for it! Your delivery and method of explaining all the connections was superb!!! Thanks for posting this...
brian102256 Thank you so much Brian! That really means a lot. I wish I could help you with your Prodigy issue, but I have no experience with that. Hope you get it fixed or replaced soon!
***** I'll keep you posted!! Thanks for all of your help!!
I have the same dilemma as Scott Downey ... stay with NCE or go Digitrax.
I love my Power Pro, but as I design my layout, I know I want block detection and signals, and the Digitrax stuff is the most cost effective way to get that. I know I can have a mixed system, still using NCE for throttles, but I am not sure that's the easiest method long term. I have a PC and JMRI (and Withrottle) already working. I dunno ... decisions decisions ...
I WATCH MIKE FIFER VID'S AND FOR NCE HE SELLS A AUTO SWITCH FOR NCE ACCORDING TO HIM WHEN U HOOK UP AUTO SWITCH U DON'T HAVE TO DISCONECT POWER CAB , TO DO PROGRAMING ON THE PROGRAM TRACK.
brilliant thanks this really helps me thanks
Great to hear!
Do you need a UTP for the Smart Booster? Because I tried to plug in my Power Cab Controller to the Booster, with the coil cable and none of my locomotives wouldn’t run? Only the lights and sounds would work
No you don't need a UTP panel, that just allows you to plug in from different spots on the layout. As long as you have your track wires run to the booster and the volt switch set correctly on the back, everything should work.
Have a quick ?, Just received my pro cab an hooked all as shown with my ESU/ DCC Ferromex an it keeps bringing up something about CV? Was wondering be if I could get some tips or info on what I need to do. Thanks an much appreciated.
Hi there , how many sound loco's could be run with the basic Powercab controller at the
same time . I like to run two on my main line and maybe do a little shunting in the sidings as well , my Hornby Select can cope but cannot alter any CV's so looking to replace it .
Regards.....Peter . UK
Hi Peter,
The Powercab is a 2 amp system, so it all depends on how many amps your locomotives are using. You shouldn't have any problem running 3 HO scale sound locos. I wouldn't expect you could run many more than that though. It also depends on how many accessories you might have running off the track power, such as lighted passenger cars, or any other cars which might use track power. Those will also be using some of the Powercab's amps.
I can't give you a definitive 'YES' or 'NO' answer because everyone's layout and models are slightly different. Some locos and decoders use more amps that other. But you should be just fine running 3 sound locos at the same time. 4 maybe... 5 would be pushing your luck.
Thanks!
~Deryk
Thanks for the reply and the sub , I will of course get in touch with the UK retailer before buying . Your video was great to watch , easy to follow and very informative . Cheers......Peter .
I have an HO "walk-in" layout 12' X 18'... I have eight running locomotives, of different brands of dcc... three two-loco' lash-ups/consists (two consist's with differing dcc decoder brands.), and two single locomotives... eight loco's in all. I can run the three consist's simultaneously (even with level diamonds/crossings) pulling different length and weighted rollingstock/wagons. The amps are also dependent on the drag on the locomotives... and the rate you increase/decrease the trains. Set the single throttle/cab controller to display the track power... this is a key identification feature, especially when you're a single layout operator. My layout is a stretched-double folded dog-bone (makes for a four-track mainline) arrangement with one 18"/46 cm reverse section. Oh, one 16 foot approach staging set of tracks. One NCE Power Cab two amps. My next expenditure will be an NCE Smart Booster, because I have the single eight foot flat cord and anything longer just isn't enough put out the two amps'... a second person is ideal, but for now I am playing all parts of railroading.
Sorry Deryk, I added a comment in the wrong video, I meant to add it here about the NCE Smart Boost , this might increase track voltage? Not sure cause some of my sound locomotives start up go a few inches , then shut down not sure why.
The booster increase AMPS. Not sure what setup you have, and how many locos you are operating at the same time.
Thanks so much for your video mate its explained all the answers to the questions I had to making my layout bigger. 👍👍👏😁
No problem 👍 Glad it helped!
Are all new purchased HO and N locomotives able to be run with the NCE Power cab control?
How are HO and N locomotives listed for NCE Power cab use, so that I purchase correctly?
What is the price of NCE Power cab control system?
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I was going to buy O gage Legacy, but NCE Power Cab, I will save money going to HO model train.
I have viewed about 20 hours of video on all size trains and controls.
Please give some advise to make basic initial HO or N train set-up.
As long as they are DCC yes to your question. The SB5 has a selector where you can select voltage. 12 volts for N GAUGE 13.8V for HO is what is recommended. The system runs 175.00 USD.
Very informative I have a NCE system which I like alot.
John Murphy Thanks John, I like it too! :)
Will this add speed to the locos? with my power cab trains are just slow.
Brilliant video. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work... Ross
Deryk, thanks for this and your other great videos. They are really helpful, and I really appreciate them. A question: This video suggests that you have not divided your layout up into power districts. That is, I don't see a CP6 with bus wires running to separate areas of the layout. Do you feel this isn't necessary on your layout? (When finished, my layout will fill up the better part of a 10' by 12' room, and I have been planning on dividing it up into 4 power districts.) Thanks again for your great videos. ...Roy
N-Scale Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision Thanks Roy. I actually considered breaking it up into power districts, but decided to not do it. Some people may disagree with my decision, and I may end up regretting it later on. I don't know. The main reason for my decision, is 99% of the time it will just be me operating, so if I have a derail that causes a short, I'm only hurting myself and not everyone else operating. I didn't feel the extra wiring was worth it at this time. It may be something I revisit as the layout progresses.
How big is your layout and how many engines do you run and are you happy with just the SB5 to power your layout or do you have more boosters on your layout
My layout is roughly 15' by 17' . I'm very happy with my SB5. I've only ever had 3 locos running at one time, but with 5 amps you should be able to run 7-10 HO scale locos at a time.
On you UTP panels that go around your layout, do you need to have extra wall warts plugged in or can you just have them running like you show in this video
The UTP panels just daisy chain. No wall worts or power is run to them.
Did the power supply come with the SB5? How do you like the power cab throttle speed controller. Is it to small, is hard to control?
upsd402 Yes the power supply came with it. I love the throttle and speed controller.
Totally new to DCC after being away from HO modeling for 35 years. Help! Recommendations on how, where to start? Plan to start with a modular HO layout. Thanks!!
Start with a DCC starter system. I highly recommend the NCE Powercab if you are looking for a handheld. Digitrax has the Zephyr if you want a base station style.
this is awesome, now after watching all the vids it was worth it to rebuild, i really want to do the NCE SB5 as well. since i want to do it from the start should just get an nce pro cab and the sb5? i have a separate programming track and a bli address changer, so i dont need to program on the main...
Tony Fleetwood If you are just now going to purchase an NCE system, and if money isn't a big concern, then I would just buy one of their Power Pro systems right from the beginning. Either the 5 amp or the 10 amp. Check out their website for more info. www.ncedcc.com
thanks for the reply! i have a dcc starter system now, but i was wondering ultimately what i should save up for
I have a question about the power supply for the booster it had a switch on it that says 13.8 volts and 12 volts which one should the power supply be set too?
12 for N scale, 13.8 for HO scale
looking at trainworld.com right now and it seems like it has 2 different places to put your track bus line. One is labeled TRACK and the other POWER. Which one would I plug my main bus line in?
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Very cool video. Keep it up!
Thanks for sharing
woltar9 Thank you!
I do not use wi-fi so I`m not sure if you ment to hook up to a Wireless router via a USB adapter but on my CS you can Connect it to a Wireless router via a rj45 cable. You might also be able to do that With Your system...
speedfreak1983 Hmmm....I will have to look into that. Thanks!
Nice review and description! the SB5 is definitely the best, and the natural first upgrade for the Power Cab.
Operations ARE a little easier when your Power Cab becomes a Pro Cab, essentially, and doesn't always have to be plugged in.
IMHO, you could even expand your original Power Cab some more, with one or two DB5 "Dumb Boosters".
After that - if you need more than 15 continuous amps....
It may be time for some rewiring on your HOUSE! :O
Thanks Carmine! Until I have more people doing op sessions, the single SB5 should be all the power I will need. I DO wish I had wireless throttles though.
+Deryk Glass I couldn't imagine you needing more than one DB5 - and no time soon...
I wouldn't mind going wireless myself, but I don't see having the funds...
But then, I'm still not sure about what I'm doing with my Layout anyway! :P
Great vid!!! I think your best one so far.
Maj Evans Thanks Maj!! I appreciate it!
This was a fantastic video I learned allot.
some of my trains work in the wrong direction on powercab have not work out how to change cv for this Help