Gibson vs Epiphone. An SG Modern deep dive. Plus, a Probucker vs Burstbucker sound test at the end!
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- In this video I compare my well known Gibson well-known and well played Gibson SG Modern with the Epiphone version. Having never even touched an Epiphone version until this video but absolutely loving my Gibson version it triggered a need to take a real deep dive into the similarities and differences of these two guitars. I'll be honest and say the video was much longer and more involved than I intended originally, but I think it's useful for anyone curious about these two beasts.
I compare the neck feel, measurements, the weights, the carving between the two models, the sound of the Burstbuckers vs the Probuckers, the various push/pull pot functionality and a whole lot more!
I hope you enjoy the video as much as I enjoyed putting it together. Thank you.
00:00 - Intro
00:18 - History of the SG Modern
00:20 - 2016 SG Standard High Performance
00:42 - 2017 SG Standard High Performance
01:15 - 2018 SG HP
01:52 - Dip Switches?
02:00 - 2018 SG HP-II
02:23 - 2019 SG Modern
02:55 - Epiphone's SG Modern
03:04 - Gibson changes things again.
03:28 - Gibson vs Epiphone
03:33 - The Price
04:08 - The Cases
05:02 - The Looks
06:08 - The Bodies
06:52 - The Necks
09:05 - The Hardware
11:35 - The Electronics
14:42 - Other Materials
16:04 - The Feel
17:55 - The Sounds
21:35 - Overall
25:00 - Is the Gibson SG Modern worth four times as much as the Epiphone SG Modern?
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GIBSON - www.gibson.com/en-US/Electric...
EPIPHONE - www.epiphone.com/en-US/Electr...
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The Epiphone's pickups in this demo sound incredible. The overtones you get in the Split/out of phase portions are fantastic. I'm a brand snob, admittedly - but this has me wondering if I don't need to call my sweetwater rep and get the Epi on the way to my house. This may be the most informative, well thought out and useful Gibson/Epi side-by-side on the internet.
Thank you for the kind words! Yes - agreed about the out of phase sounds. They we’re some of my favorite on the Epi! Thanks for checking it out!
I have the same pickups in my Epi 335 pro, they are fantastic!
Well I can say this. The epi is impressive for about a week .Then you start realising how great ya Gibson is and next thing ya know epi is in its case all the time
Yes the Epiphone sounded far better. There were barely any mid tones from the Gibson. I am a 20+ year luthier so please do not take my comment personally, but the "surprise" people seem to have concerning how spectacular Epiphone guitars are today is astounding. Epiphone turned the corner at the turn of the century and since have produced some of the best guitars the world has ever seen yet you see comments like "Good (for the money)", which drives me nuts. So in other words, Epiphone, if they would only start to charge 5 prices for their guitars maybe then people would begin to show some respect? Its nuts really. Just check out the specs on the 60's tribute plus Les Paul which Epiphone built. THEN you can try to find a Gibson with the same parts and configuration but until you get up into the "Custom Deluxe" series of guitars, you won't see it.
About 3 years ago, I was gifted an Epi SG Modern in trans black. Outstanding guitar. I love the coil tap feature and locking tuners!
Very well built guitar!
Very good review and comparison, so much work! Strange that nobody commented it yet, keep going with more videos like that!
Thanks for checking it out!
Just to add - this is about the best produced, clearest comparison video between 2 guitars I have ever seen. Maybe a bit more detail on the finish would be helpful - particularly fret finishing. I particularly like how you play through the pickup settings - makes the differences very clear. So, Subscribed.
I've got the Epiphone. I'm very happy with it. The build standard is below PRS SE, but above Fender Player. Baesd on my collection.
Been meaning to try out some PRS guitars! Thanks for checking the video out!
Very thorough and great review. Look forward to more of these. Like how you measure the necks and stuff
Thank you for checking it out!
This is one of the best review videos I've seen, great work!
Wow! Thank you for the very kind words. I worked really hard on that video, so that means a lot to me!
This is one of the best overall reviews I've seen. I really appreciate the detail and presentation style. Well done! Thank you. I have three SGs - none of which are the two models shown here but I watched anyway.Mine are the Epiphone SG Classic w/P-90s, the Epiphone Prophecy SG w/ Fishman Fluence pups and the Gibson '61 Maestro Vibrola SG w/Burstbuckers. All very different and all great sounding. Over 50 years of playing it's only in the past 3 years my first SG experiences occurred - missed out big time... always playing Stratocasters.They're all great instruments.
Agreed! All good stuff. I was strictly playing SGs and LPs for the majority of my life and it was only relatively recently I discovered the magic of Telecasters, so I understand what you are saying. Also - I love those SG Classics. I search reverb for the right one at least one a week!
Thanks for checking out the video!
Really nice job on this video!
Thank you very much!
I really enjoyed your comparison of the SGs and the way that you broke them down. I’m a new subscriber and look forward to checking out your other videos. Great content! Best of luck with growing your channel.
Thank you for the kind words! I really enjoyed making that video too, and already have a few other comparison videos in mind for the future! Yes - it is a new channel, but I hope to increase the quality of the videos as I get more experience doing it. Thanks again!
Well said, excellent review.. I've checked other comparison on youtube and none were so succinctly put. that was very refreshing especially the ending - you cut to the point of which one would be a better purchase, considering the cost difference, which is substantial.
Thanks for the kind words and for checking it out! Glad you enjoyed the video. 🤘🏽
Wow, very honest and detailled compairison. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words!
This is the best comparison review of equivalent models that I have watched in quite a while. Now that you have reached this, keep it please. Subscribing now. Do not know why you avoided my radar before this?
Thank you for the very kind words! I will try to make videos of equal or greater value in the future! Thank you for checking out my video.
Great video! In depth, precise unbiased, but not boring!! Thanks!!!
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it!
Un bias???? Thats a laugh
I've had a white Gibson SG since 1962 and it is my "go to" guitar. I have other guitars, but this is the one most comfortable to me. Great comparison video!
That’s awesome! I’d love to play a guitar like that! Thanks for checking out the video!
Great, in depth comparison video.
Thank you! Thanks for checking it out.
Impressed with the detail you did on this video. The composition of the split screen in "Sounds" etc. I may suggest when compering say neck on one guitar to follow the neck comparison on the other guitar though I understand the headache the editing would be...thanks
Thank you for the kind words! I aim to make the next video even better! I appreciate the suggestion. 🤘🏽
Wow, most informative Gibson/ Epiphone SG comparison on the internet. Thanks!!
Thanks for the kind words and for checking out the video. Cheers!
great video well set out and informative
Thanks for checking it out!
The BEST review ever! Very useful, deep dive, Honest, Realistic... thanks alot man🎉
Thank you for checking it out! Glad you enjoyed it.
@@CompanyGrip go to buy epi tomorrow, you made it clear to me🙏🌹
this was very very helpful to me! i am 15 and looking soon to buy an epiphone sg guitar for myself.
just got into playing the electric guitar and i think the sg is so badass along with the flying v. thank you for the unbiased review!
That’s awesome! Me too - it’s my favorite guitar. I currently have 6! Flying V is cool too. I’ve really started to like them the past couple years.
Good luck with your guitar! 🤘🏽
@@CompanyGrip thank you !!
I am surprised your channel is so new, this is a great analysis. Subscribed, keep em coming! If you can ever get your hands on the D'angelico Bob Weir signature, or the Musicman JV60 I'd like to see your thoughts.
Thank you for the kind words! I’ll keep my eyes open for either of those. 🤘🏽
Very, very, very nice comparison video my man. Good info, straight to the point, good playing demo and comparison. Very nice job. Thanks for mentioning the body contour differences. That tends to be overlooked by many reviewers and to me it is one of the most glaring differences. Epi Les Pauls are the same way... top is less sculpted, cutaway is shaped different, etc. To me those differences take away from the beauty of the guitar, and they certainly affect the feel and playability. Again very nice video. I just subscribed and am looking forward to seeing more!
Thank you for checking it out! I appreciate the kind comments. 🤘🏽
Excellent Video!
Brilliant review... Thanks!
My pleasure! Thanks for checking it out! 🤘🏽
1st time viewer and I liked your comparison approach enough that I subscribed to your channel. 58 years ago I took my first lesson so I have owned a few Gibsons. I am still wrapping my head around the differences between Gibson/Epiphone quality differences and price comparison. I recently picked up a epi Joe Bonamassa 335 and I love it. I haven't been impressed with quality on Gibsons in a while now and once again the 2000 dollar difference in price is a lot of money, when there is a minimal difference. I actually like the Epi feel better. Bottom line is everything you discussed is exactly what I would want to hear on my next purchase. If the good lord decides I survive until then. So thank you. I really enjoyed your comparison and plan to watch more for the help I want.
Thank you for the kind comments! I hear ya about all of what you say. The $2000 price difference is hard to justify when you put them side by side and look at just the materials and fact sheets! Thanks for checking out the video!
What I have found with Epiphone guitars (I have had about 9 or so over the last 25+ years) is the quality consistency can be unreliable. There are some Epiphones I've had that are phenomenal. They will almost always have some cosmetic issues, especially if you look closely at the frets and if there's chipping due to worn saw blades, with very little sanding down and smoothing of the fretboard at the notches. Or, check for excessive glue that wasn't completely removed; frets may not be plek'd or shaped as comfortably. Some of the internal wiring can be suspect, but is still reliable. Some of the binding, or the finish in general may have small cosmetic flaws. Things like that.
With a Gibson, you are much MUCH less likely to come across such issues. You pick a Gibson off the shelf and play it, most likely things will play well, even straight from the factory.
For many, the Gibson name evokes a lot of emotional attachment as well, which is an intangible factor for consideration.
But, give an Epiphone a little love (and maybe another couple hundred dollars for proper upgrades and setup by a pro), it's easy to look past the cosmetic flaws that no one will notice unless way up close, and it will perform very nicely at that price point.
Recorded my first album with the epiphone sg modern I love it.
That’s awesome! It’s a fantastic guitar. I think one thing I wish I would have put in the video is that it’s not only a ‘great guitar for the price compared to the Gibson’, but it’s a great guitar out of all the guitars available in that price range.
You can not rely on these reviews. It's human nature to lean toward the "brand" guitars. If you have a minute, read my post. I think you will agree, at least somewhat.
@@CompanyGrip The Epiphone sounded better...Lol It's so crazy watching human nature completely erase reality from people when it comes to guitars. I can have any guitar I want, literally, and I have owned or played hundreds through the years. Back in the early days, Gibson and fender had the secrets but now everyone has the secrets, (TECHNOLOGY) to build outstanding guitars. You were bias immediately in the video which otherwise would have been a great video. I just wish people would open their eyes and ears and stop allowing the glory days of guitar to corrupt their line of thought. Good luck
Thank you for this shoot-out.
I just bought the 2023 Gibson SG Modern.
It’s the best guitar I’ve ever owned.
It’s a great guitar for sure!
What an outstanding review. Wow.
Thank you for watching the video and the kind words. Cheers!
Outstanding review.
Thank you! Thanks for checking it out!
Hey dude, first time here watching a video of yours. Completely loved it. Great comparison and explanation with some back history, all very clear and easygoing with no cheesiness whatsoever, keep it up. You got yourself yet another subscriber 👌
Thank you for the kind words!
Excellent comparison. Thanks
Thank you for checking it out!
Great review
Thanks! 🤘🏽
Great job on the breakdown of the differences of these 2 killer Guitars . I've owned many Gibson Guitars and loved every single one . And also have had a couple that i have not ever seen a 2nd of anywhere . One 80s model SG as well as a 80s model Les Paul .
That’s awesome! I love that these little treasures can be found that Gibson only made a few of and a lot of people don’t know much about them. That’s kinda what I’d like to hunt down more of. Thanks for checking out the video!
Cheers!
Excellent comparaison thank you.
Thanks for watching! Cheers!
Sounds great brother. Definitely got one of the good ones , awesome top.
Thanks you! Yeah!
Thorough SG Modern comparison thanks! Waiting for a Gibson SG Modern Blueberry to show up used. I'm wondering if the control cavity of both are close to same dimensions as thinking of putting Gibson PCB and quick connect pups in an Epi as a project guitar. Currently have a 2018 SG Special with stock Firebird minis and 24 frets. It's awesome, but has some QC issues, typical for that era that I hope don't extend to newer models.
Good question! I’m pretty sure the cavities are similar dimiensions, and actually the Modern might even be a bit bigger as the body is a touch thicker than a standard SG.
It’s interesting, my 2019 SG Standard has a Gibson PCB and the Modern has traditional wiring. You’d think it would be the other way around. Regardless, I’ve bypassed the PCB in the standard, put in some CustomBuckers and had my tech wire it old school.
Great comparison. I've had my Rickenbacker 4001 bass for 42 years. Now I'm partial to USA made guitars. They have individual character when played. I don't find that with overseas mass produced guitars. So, for the professional player I believe the character of the guitar matters as much as the sound.
Many thanks for this video, your diligence going through the different measurements etc was really appreciated. Very impressed.
I've got the Epi but must admit it's too heavy for me. I didn't realise when shopping for an SG (all about the high neck access) it would be such a hefty block of wood to play and you do feel it on your neck after a while. I can play sat down but that's not what you're really getting an SG for is it?
Will be returning and going shopping for the Epi SG Standard which hopefully will be a lot lighter for longer playing, even though it's missing a lot of the bells and whistles of the Modern which will be missed and that lovely asymmetrical 24 fret neck to play on. I do like coil taps/splits but it's covered by my PRS and Epi Nighthawk, I just want to have that nice top fret access the SG does so well.
That’s true! And the Epi Standard will be 22 frets instead of 24. But, I’ll be honest with you, I’m a big SG fan, I have 6 of them, and my absolutely favorite is the SG Standard; so you’ll be in good hands! Thanks for checking out my video!
@CompanyGrip that's very reasuring to know, thank you. I will miss the 24 frets, but ultimately it's about the playability isn't it. Surprised it's not more of a thing to have 24 fret SG's as the Modern would be a perfect guitar without those layers of veneer. It's the most logical shape of guitar by far to get to that extra real estate that you can get to so easily!
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Great review! I respect the level of detail you put into the video. Did you have an issue with the contour of the neck on the Gibson? Another reviewer had a problem with it being too wide down by the pickups. Thoughts?
Interesting! No, not at all. Actually I think it's one of the better designed neck contours of the SGs. Thanks for checking out the video! I appreciate the compliment.
@@CompanyGrip thanks for replying to my comment. I am a beginning guitar player as a retiree. Currently playing a Fender Strat Pro II that I enjoy playing. When the time cones, I want to add a humbucker guitar and this SG looks like a good complement that may be less of an adjustment from the Strat than some of the fat neck Gibsons.
@@randallsmith7885 Its certainly one of the easier necks to use, when it come to Gibson guitars. I think the thing that might take the most getting used to would be the scale length differences, but that's just a minor adjustment.
Great review. When it comes to creating your sounds for your own original music, I would find the Epiphone to offer more tools to doing so. You do an excellent job of a fair non-biased comparison, keep up the good work. I have 28 Gibsons and only 1 Epiphone...that review may change my prejudice. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words! I’m in the midst of another Gib Epi review as we speak! Should be out in a few days hopefully.
Great video, thank you
Thanks for checking it out!
I love the '57 Classics far more than the Burstbuckers. I really liked the HP line, and have one of the first Blueberry Burst Les Paul's that came out that year, although I also ditched the Robotuner. Awesome video!
Thanks for checking it out! 🤘🏽
Great video maybe in the future you can compare the Epiphone 61 limited edition collaboration between them and the Gibson custom shop. That's the one I just bought.
Would love to! Great idea!
Thank you . The video was very educational . I say 12 options vs. 8 options plus the price . I got an epiphone muse in white from a German music store , and had to send it back because it looked like it just got off a world tour, and the store wouldn't give me a discount for B-stock even though they charged me new price, now they discontinued to sell this guitar. Anyhow, your video was very educational .thank you for everything .😎👍🏾
Thank you for checking it out! I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’ll have to look into the Epiphone muse. I’m not too familiar with it. Cheers!
@@CompanyGrip oh I will be watching out for that video. I'm back in the market for a new guitar again. I have been looking at Epiphone worn and Prs Se because of the prices. Your help will be much needed too . 😎👍🏾
I’ve been looking at some PRS to review too! Don’t know when, but hopefully sooner than later. 🤘🏽
@CompanyGrip , I forgot to say the SG muse has all the options as the Epiphone SG modern , just with a sparkle finish .I have to have a nut width of 43 mm too. I have those short fat fingers, hahaha comes with age .
Haha!
Nice job very informative
Thanks for checking it out!
Very well done video. Hands down I would buy the Ep before the Gib. I demoed both of them and yes the body contours are nice on the Gib but in no way worth the extra money. You hit it on the head. The only reason to buy the Gib is you can say I have a Gibson SG. Buy the Epiphone and prove to people you are a smart shopper. Enjoyed this video. You are well spoken and to the point. Keep on rockin. Greetings from Myrtle Beach SC.
Thanks for checking it out! Cheers!
Best review/comparison video out there, hands down. I’d love to get your thoughts on the Epi Prophecy/Fluence. I’m this strongly considering buying one, before I go to bed lol.
Thanks for the kind words!
The prophecy’s are pretty cool. I haven’t played with them much, but the Fluence pickups are pretty great. Also, I love the inlays on the Prophecy and the Custom style bounce headstock! I’d want to play with one a little bit more, but for the price, they are pretty awesome!
@@CompanyGrip My pleasure. Liked/sub’d. I did however, decide to NOT get one before I went to bed lol. Instead, I just bought an Epiphone Matt Heafy Les Paul Custom Origins. Super excited to get my hands on it. Got it used, off of Reverb, for only $700. Supposed to be in excellent condition.
@@rferguson3 those are cool looking! I want to try one out as well! Thank you again!
@@CompanyGrip Anytime man. Keep it up & I have no doubt you’re channel is gonna grow, considerably. Not enough of this type/quality of useful content out there.
🙏🏽 I appreciate the kind words!
Great comparison. I was pleasantly surprised at how bright the Epiphone sounds. I like the sound comparison (especially the clean), but it would also be good to have one additional - what it sounds like in a band mix (add a backing track). I suspect you'll find one better at cutting through the mix (the Epiphone). WRT comments about coil splitting - I use it all the time, typically one split and one in full humbucker mode - it just sounds cleaner than dual humbucker. I've got LP Modern, Sheraton II Prio, and a Joe Pass Pro - and the coil splitting is a great feature on each (at least for me). While the Tele and the Strat are great, the mix of a true humbucker and coil-split humbucker sounds unique - a clear tone with a little more growl.
I agree with you that I found a mix of the two sounds (hum + split) to be the most versatile - at least for me. Thanks for checking it out! And, yes, I agree a backing track would be good. I’m trying to pack the videos with info, but not make them too long. Maybe it wouldn’t be bad throwing in and extra minute or two for that?
Very fair video. I can see why the Gibson is higher in value, but also how much you get in an Epi. I used to have a Les Paul Std... I do miss it sometimes, tbh. However, I enjoy playing my Epis. Hopefully you could make a similar video with Les Pauls.
thanks for checking it out! I would love to someday!
There isn’t anything that is even close to being able to justify the price difference of 1900.00 c’mon it’s a block of wood with strings and some magnets wrapped in copper wire lMFAO
Nice comparison video! I now have a few newer Epiphones, including a 335 Pro and a Riviera P93T. Both of those were made in Epi's Custom Shop, and are damn near flawless. The necks on both are maybe even a bit nicer to play on than quite a few newer Gibsons I've tried. The 335 has the same pickups as that SG, and the Riviera actually has US made P90s. I seriously couldn't be happier with these, and especially compared to the price point of a real 335 I would totally buy both of these again. The Memphis made 335s played better, but compared to the current Nashville 335s, these Epis really hold their own. (oh, and both of mine have clear finishes on the necks, so you can see they are mahogany or similar)
That’s awesome! I’ve been impressed with the couple of Epiphones I’ve played recently too! Thanks for checking out the video!
Great indepth compare! Nothing left out.
Found a used epi SG made in Maylasia for $125 including $65
quality gig bag sooooo....thats a $60 guitar. No splitting...no tapping...just pickin and stummin.
Has the strap button at center so the neck dive is bad.
I glued some sandpaper to underside of strap to keep neck from sliding down but when I play bareback it sands off some of my skin!
Ouch....no pain no gain I guess. Sounds amazing thru a 64 Vibroverb with 15" JBL D130f.
A $5,000 amp can do a lot for a $60 guitar is the moral of my story. Thanks again for best comparision I evet saw!
Wow! That’s awesome! Well, not the part about your skin getting rubbed off. Haha! But the guitar. 🤘🏽
Bought the Epiphone SG Modern when it first came out in 2019. Great value for your money, and with a pickup upgrade your gonna have a very versatile guitar for cheap.
100% agree!
Thank you for the very complete review and demo it was very informative and nicely executed, however, from what I heard I couldn't agree with your opinion that "all 8 of the Gibson sounds were great and maybe only half the Epiphone sounds were good", as it seemed to me the sounds were extremely close (on my studio monitors) in that the Epiphone sounded as good to me for versatility purposes as in for example a project studio situation but maybe you were referring to a live sound situation, that said then it's just a difference of opinion, yet it was difficult to recall the sounds because by the time the many sound choices were finished being played I would loose track of the sounds at each position. I would have liked to have seen the comparison back and forth between brands with same selector positions. Now that is not to say (thinking out load) that with a small investment one couldn't upgrade the electronics (pots/ or whatever) and some hardware pieces (bridge/tailpiece), (season to taste) if someone decided to test the waters a bit. These are guitars that I am considering for a future purchase. Thanks again!
Thank you for checking out the video and for the feedback! I agree that it was a difficult decision how to arrange the sounds, i.e., selector vs selector or one whole guitar vs the other.
And, yes, agree with you that it’s difficult to accurately convey which one sounds better, record it, and then have it playback how it sounds vs my ears. But ultimately, like you say, it is just a matter of opinion. I don’t think the Epiphone is bad at all, but for my tastes and the music I generally play, it didn’t work out for me. Still a fantastic guitar for the price, and some people do prefer the Epi sounds, which makes it an even better guitar for them! 🤘🏽
Nice video. Why do you think Gibson went back to the central strap button placement? Do you think it affects neck-dive?
That’s a good question. I think when they dropped the heavier locking tuners, they moved the strap button back to the center to speed up manufacturing, since that would streamline it with most of the existing SG models manufacturing processes…
But what do I know. Just a guess! You have any theories?
I bought the final version of the Tony Iommi SG Custom, which has the cross inlays all the way to the 24th fret, Gibson USA Iommi pickups, and even has the COA signed by Iommi (no small thing for a lifelong Sabbath devotee). I changed the tuners for no other reason than I just wanted Grover Minis on it. Absolutely outstanding guitar without a single flaw that I could detect. Plays great, sounds great, and looks the business! What Epiphone have done over the last 5 years or so is just astonishing. I also got the Brent Hinds Flying V Custom as well as the newest Prophecy LP and didn't change a thing on them. They are unbelievably good, and if you can find one of the Hinds V's for sale used it's going for double what I paid. Their top tier limited runs are where it's at, especially if you swing a deal (which I always do). Those reasons at the end of your video for buying a Gibson I totally get. I've always had that itch. But as far as actual real tangible reasons, you just aren't getting a 4x better guitar in my opinion. I'm stoked to play Epiphones. I will so though that I think for that PAF sound Gibson pickups are as good as it gets.
Hundred percent agree! Thanks for checking out my video!
@@CompanyGrip Sure man, I'll even subscribe. Keep it up!
Thanks!
I hope your Iommi signature is real. I got four of Bonamassa's ES-335 (two were broken) and the COA "signatures" were all EXACTLY the same
@@GuitarTalkWithBrian Yeah, pretty sure this is the real deal. Ordered direct from Sweetwater and serial verified with Epi. Sorry you had some bad issues. I'm not sure what you mean by the signature thing. These artists that sign their names as much as they do have it down to an art. I've compared ones that I've gotten in person to other ones both in my hand and on line and it's insane how exactly the same they are. Except for Mike Mangini from DT. His signature is a sloppy mess.
I wonder if you can put some of those Gibson pickups in there with the orange caps into the Epiphone and how close that comparison would be?
I like the concept of this video. I wished there was a way to do all brands and models. I play bass and would love to do a video describing the similarities and differences of the similar models. For example showing the different P basses Squire and Fender make. Then do the Jazz basses. Then do like the Epiphone and Gibson thunderbirds.
I’m trying to branch more into cross comparisons between different brands, but $$$… 🤷🏽♂️
Thanks for checking it out!
@@CompanyGrip You mean like comparing a Les Paul to a LTD EC or like the SG compared to the Viper?
@@sinakaedwards2009 More or less. Maybe a little bit different because I think that particular angle might be played out a bit much already, and I don’t think I’m entertaining enough to resell it. Haha
Great comparison format I thought. I have the Epiphone and love it. I have many guitars with coil split and it can be weak and useless but I actually find it works great with very usable sounds on my Epi. May have been worth mentioning the epiphone's treble bleed wiring (a plus I think) and that quick change pickup system it has (which I could live without).
I’m always trying to improve. Thanks for the good ideas! Thanks for checking out the video.
Cheers!
Good information on this video. I managed to snag one a Gibson SG Modern for less than half of retail and no regrets here, but in different circumstances I would opt for the Epiphone, from a price point perspective. The Gibson is great, but not $2500 great.
Wow. That’s a steal!
Yeah I found mine on eBay, and it was only listed so low because the top isn't the flamey-est and the 9th fret on the low E side is a tad bit too high, and with just a bit of spot leveling it plays like a new one.
Oh yeah! That’s great. Just a little fret work and you’re good to go! I hear you on the flame top. Haha. I’ve got a video planned for the future with a specific guitar I bought blindly, and it has a really boring top on it.
I came real close to getting one of those Epiphone SG's, a few weeks ago... but then I tried out an Epiphone LTD Ed 1959 Les Paul Standard, and ended up buying it. I'm happy that I did! No, it's not a Gibson, but it's a quality guitar.
I liked the epiphones clean tones. The coil tapped/ split specifically.
The Gibsons clean tones didnt have as much definition but the distorted tones on the gibson were crisp and tight IMO
Keep smashing your ring into tne guitar! 👍🏻👌🏻
Thank you. I'm looking for a Gibson SG and you have been an enormous amount of help!!!!
That’s awesome! Glad to hear. Thanks for checking out the video!
I’ve got the earlier 2020 Blueberry Fade Gibson Modern SG and absolutely hated the strap button on the back of the top horn. I ended up moving it to the normal location at the back of the neck heel, and am much happier with it. I enjoyed the thoroughness of your comparison of the two. Personally, my choice of the Gibson Modern SG was easy….I like blue! If Epiphone had the Blueberry Fade finish, it would have made my choice more difficult. 😉
😂. The blueberry fade is a beautiful looking finish - I agree. They did it right by having the flamed maple underneath it and the purple fade on the edges. I’ve seen some blue guitars - my Relish Trinity comes to mind - that just look boring and fugly.
Thank you for checking it out - I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Thx for the very thorough review..Excellent. The EPIPHONE is on my bucket or collectors list.
Awesome! Thanks for checking out the video!
❤️🎶 Cool channel man! 😎🤟🏾
Thanks for checking it out!
Regarding the 12" radius Is the fretboard . The compound radius is the actually profile of the Neck , behind the fretboard.
It’s true that the neck itself has a unique profile, but the actual fingerboard of the Gibson SG Modern should have a compound radius as well. According to Gibson, it should be 10” at the first fret and by 13th fret it should be 16” radius. I guess mine never got that treatment! Hahah. Thanks for checking it out!
I like the edge output jack location instead of the prone to crack the body top location.
I’m a big fan of the edge location as well. 🤘🏽
Not a pro, so the $599 Epiphone is everything I ever dreamed, and more! I literally think, as I play, no way the Gibson can be nicer than this guitar.
Epiphone has made some impressive leaps and bounds the past 10-15 years. They’ve never been “bad” guitars, but they were never great guitars, IMHO. Now I think they are on par with some of the better guitars out there!
You should’ve done an “on the spot” neck dive comparison, since you demonstrated both guitars while standing up and playing with a strap.
Next SG video, I’ll do that! It wouldn’t be accurate for this one since my Gib modern has the different strap button location.
@@CompanyGrip Also, did you notice any difference in the neck playability between the two? I have the Gibson version, and I absolutely LOVE the wider nut and fretboard. I'm very curious about the Epiphone though, and if the neck is anything like the Gibson, I would probably buy the Epiphone and sell my Gibson. Because at the Epiphone price, I could own four great guitars instead of just one!
@@BTCMoonLand you know, surprisingly I didn’t really feel much difference between them. But, I also have to admit that the Gibson SG Modern has a completely different feel than any of my other SGs. It’s hard to put into words, but in the video I describe it as being very “rigid”. Now, of course, all guitars have very rigid necks, so that’s not quite a surprising statement. But the Epiphone just feels the same way to me. 🤷🏽♂️ Either way, I don’t know if you can go wrong with either one!
@@CompanyGrip Do you still have both guitars?
I have the epi, just change pups to seymour duncan saturday night specials & added a little weight at the bottom of body to prevent neck dive, now it rocks big.😮
Nice. I have such a hard time with the idea of changing PUPs. I have to see someone about that. 😂
1-Who keeps stock strap buttons on their guitar??
2.-The Probuckers are slightly hotter Than Burstbuckers and the Probuckers produce a wider spectrum of tone, more articulate, at least on my graph, but I prefer 57 classic/classic plus in an SG.
3- The Epiphone uses 500k CTS,/Mallory, for Pots and Switchcraft input jack and switch. (*Note-Epiphone started the coil splitting in the humbucker guitars with the production of one of the best Les Paul models by anyone which was their 60's Tribute Plus, which came stock with 57's, Mallory, Switchcraft, etc. as well as Orange drop caps and occasionally emerson products.) And I really don't know what Gibson is using these days because the pots are labeled with the Gibson trademark or "brand."
4.- Does the inlay help the sound?
5.- Your mind is playing tricks on you concerning the "contour". 5 ounces??? Pressure??? I think it's just human nature..
6.- Epiphone clean tones were MUCH more articulate, BUT you can always change the pickups in the Gibson if you wanted better tones, though Im not a fan of either guitars pickups personally.
In summary--- You use words in a disparaging way every time you spoke of the Epiphone even though it sounded better and with my 30+ years experience based opinion, many times the Epis play much better. Words like "Bi and chunky" while pertaining to 5 ounces?? Sadly, many people who present themselves as presenting a non-bias opinion between Gibson and Epiphone tend to do the same thing so it's no surprise. But it would be nice to get an honest review, not that it matters because the majority of working musicians I am associated with generally don't use Gibson products simply because the prices are completely ridiculous, not because Gibson products suck or anything. Sure, Gibson has slacked off tremendously in their quality concerning their guitars while Epiphone, as many other less expensive guitar builders, have obtained the same technology and artistry that was once nearly exclusively owned by America. Therefore while Gibson and Fender slid low in quality, other companies grasp onto the practice of building great instruments and focused attention on the quality and detail. I suppose this is one reason there are so many more people today buying non "Brand", if you will, guitars. I sincerely hope Gibson, and Fender figure out a way to sale their products for the real musicians of the world instead of the weekend warriors or novice collectors of the world. Anyway, good demonstration of the two guitars, minus the disparaging remarks which were ALL directed towards the Epiphone. By the way, I am definitely buying the Epiphone SG in about 7 minutes.
I kind of liked the sounds of the Epiphone better.
You were close on the recap. They actually ended in with a 2019 HP model before going to Modern in 2019 as well, and the Modern is a toned down version of the 2019 HP. The HP-ii was created because of how many hated the robo tuners (me included), not because they forgot. The final also had a wider, soloist width neck. You touched on the titanium nut, but it was really cool that it was adjustable. The HPs and had cryogenically treated frets, which are supposed to be the longest lasting. Andertons had the best reviews each year with demos, if you want to check them out, and Gibson has Legacy pages if you search. The bankrupting was when they stopped offering annual updates, and that's when Gibson let Mark Agnesi share the current standard models on the Gibson TV UA-cam channel.
Good looking out! 👍🏽 thanks for checking out the video!
Well, HP-II was a significant downgrade from HP-I. You can always replace autotuners, but HP-I also had a great flight case and a rosewood neck vs cheap looking fiber case and the controversial Richlite neck that diminished its value to many people.
Great comparison. Epiphone pickups were better on on dirt than clean but the Gibson pickups sounded FAR superior to me. BUT that doesn't offset the cost differential of the Epiphone. My advice. Buy the Epiphone (used) and upgrade the pickups heck carve and refinish the body LOL.
Thanks for checking it out! I agree! Great sound in the Gibson, but for that price differential.
I’ve got the Epiphone, agree not so keen on the coil splits, but out-of-phase is a great sound. Love the feel of the asymmetric neck, it’s heavy for an SG (8 pounds) but mine has no neck dive. Gibson doesn’t seem to be worth price difference but perhaps upgrading to Gibson pickups would be worth it but I’d keep out of phase & get rid of splits/taps. If I want a strat sound I’ll use a strat & same with P90’s.
Agreed. The out of phase is a cool unique sound. Like a phaser sound, naturally! It’s pretty cool!
Impressed with the phase reverse and coil splitting on the Epiphone. I recon you could get some pretty good Brian May tones with that. I was hearing them
The feature is nice - for me,
I didn’t see it as beneficial, but it’s all what style you play, right?
Absolutely agree. It has that trebly, "Vox-like" hint of bite with slight throatiness that would go well when trying to match a Brian May tone.
The Burstbucker Rhythm and Lead pups on the Gibson SG Modern, the (+) means nothing if it follows that what they did with the 2022 Gibson Les Paul 60's Standard and the Gibson Les Paul 60's Classic that came with the Burstbucker 61 Rhythm and Lead. I bought these two Les Pauls and noticed that the pup in the bridge in both the Standard and the Classic were the same as on the neck so I contacted Gibson and they told me that: "Yes, they are the same pick up in both positions because we decided to go back to basics and copy the way Les Pauls were made in the 50's which meant placing the same pick up in both positions." This is what I was told by Gibson but if you ask me I think it's just to minimize expenses.
Haha. You’re probably right! Thanks for the information and for checking out the video. 🤘🏽
thankyou mister, your vidio help me to buy epiphone. this is a great vidio, so detail 👍
Thank you! Glad you liked it! 👍🏽
I have the Gibson SG Modern, and the one regret I have is that I didn’t get it sooner than I did. By far the best sounding and best feeling guitar in my collection!
Edited to add: I actually have a similar color to your Gibson. Mine has a different maple grade than yours, but it’s still that beautiful blue/purple color!
Interesting. Is yours a A or AAA?
@@CompanyGrip I’d say somewhere in between
@CompanyGrip Secondly, I bought mine from Guitar Center two years ago, and they must not have updated their images or description, because I was expecting locking tuners on mine, as well as the strap button on the horn, but while I was pleasantly surprised to have the button on the base of the neck, I would’ve liked the locking tuners, but still, I love what I got.
I’ve actually heard about this from other people too, that bought the guitar based on old photos that weren’t updated yet. Glad you’re enjoying yours though!
Thanks for the good review ,,,,,,,,,,,i'm going for the Gibson SG Modern TBF Greeetzzzz Henk.
Excellent! Great guitar!
Finally an honest well versed review. I have already spent massive amounts of cash on my 12 lp's...so i have " the Gibson experience " I bought the Epiphone modern, you're correct...the tapped pickups are useless 😂
Haha! Yes - that is my opinion and yours as well, but I’ve seen in the comments here quite a few people disagree. So, to each their own! For me though, I’ll just pick up a Tele or Strat and use that. 😉
Thanks for checking out the video! 🤘🏽
@@CompanyGrip yes! Use a damn Fender 😁 as mentioned , this was/is a great review. So much so that i just subscribed. Keep up the great work!👍🏼👍🏼😁
I have a 2018 HP II SG Mojave Fade, a finish you do not mention. It retained the wide neck, of the 2018 HP, 1.745" at the nut, and has locking tuners. The HP II came with the carbon fibre coffin case, unique to the late 2018 HP models. I prefer the strap button near the horn.
As for colours, I love the Mojave Fade. I also have the 2018 Les Paul HP in blood orange fade, which is really more of a nice wine red. The LP has the Burstbuckers later also used on the Modern.
The heavier bridge and tailpiece on the Epiphone is probably a plus - less neck dive?. That Epiphone looks like good value, and much more tonal variety than the Gibson.
Thanks for checking out the video and thanks for your comment! Yes, I learned after making this from another viewer with a similar guitar such as yours that there were some additional late models I just wasn’t even remotely aware of! I think that’s actually what makes researching Gibson guitars in particular pretty fun. As much as I try to get all the information nailed down, it seems like they always made exceptions, or additional series of one-offs, or a version of a guitar for one particular dealer that has a different neck pickup than normal. While I think that would frustrate some people trying to document this stuff, I find it exciting - and the reason I like your comment! Helps me gets an even clearer picture of what I already spent so much time researching.
Cheers! And thanks for the subscribe!
In 2919 the SG HP was blueberry fade. I have one. 😁
Haha. Of course! As with any Gibson product, I should expect the interyear blends. Where there are just some models that mix what was with what is to come! Very cool! Did you get one of the metal shell cases with it too?
@@CompanyGripNo, it's factory case is the carbon fiber reinforced plastic one 😊
Those are cool. The teardrop design.
Do you think it might be worth to put a Floyd Rose frx on an Epiphone Modern?
That is entirely up to you, to be honest. I’m not much of a trem user, so I can’t really give you a solid answer on that. Thanks for checking out the video!
I originally bought the epi but they were back ordered so i caved and bought the gibson. All the distributer ads still stated it had locking tuners but nope. Baby photo shows the tuners it has and not the vintage looking locking tuners. I contacted Gibsob and they told me they no longer came with locking tuners and directed me to the Gibson website description. Last time i looked sweetwater, guitar center etc still describe it as having locking tuners.
That’s a bummer. Yeah, they haven’t put the locking tuners on it since 2019. There’s probably a few that slipped in past that date and are technically 2020s, but that’s when they made that change.
Personally, I love the locking tuners. Makes changing strings so much faster. I haven’t looked in it, but maybe the Grover locking tuners can sit in the same holes as the Grover Mini Rotomatic tuners?
@@CompanyGrip i bought mine in March of 2020 so mine must be a 2020 model
@@CompanyGrip maybe they would but i do love it regardless. This is a lifetime keeper instrument. I'd really be interested in replacing bridge/ stop bar with a zinc one
Quick question. Did / does ANYBODY use those robot tuners on the gibsons? (I took them out on day one, and replaced them with "real" tuners.)
😂 I’ve never known anyone that liked them!
Blueberry burst is Awesome.. very nice . I have a 08 Les Paul traditional in Ice Tea . Epi is nice but the Gibson just has it
Been wanting to pick up a LP Trad 5. You like yours, yeah?
@@CompanyGrip Yes I do its was left to me by my oldest brother when he passed. It’s double special to me
Sorry to hear about your brother, but awesome that you have a rad guitar to remember him with! 🤘🏽
I'm always suspicious of whether a humbucker has been "Coil Tapped" or "Coil Split".
My own Gibson Les Paul Classic owners manual actually says the Pro-Buckers are coil split when after I tested them I as able to confirm, with the simple screw driver test, it was BS and it was in fact coil tapped. They are different sounds, turning an entire coil off(splitting) as opposed to using both coils at roughly 50%(tapping), it makes a difference.
i think most of guitar player dont really use coil split or tapped or phase kind of stuffs, people usually find the position you like, then never change again ,right.?
Hard to say. Me personally, I use the bridge and neck a lot, not so much the other positions.
@@CompanyGrip i mean coil split and coil tapped kind of stuffs , im not gigging musicians ,but i guess most of people just only switch between neck and bridge pickup, maybe more options can inspired the player play differently ,subjective things ,no right or wrong.
Very good and interesting comparison. To me an electric guitar has to be American made because of the vibes. You guys invented all that stuff.
Thats why I drive a German car too btw😂
Greetings from Bremen, Germany.
Thanks for checking out the video! 🏎️
I can see that the nut height of the Epiphone is quite a lot more than the Gibson, also the Epiphone nut seems rather flat compared to the neck profile, whereas the Gibson they have carved it to more or less follow the profile of the neck much more closely. Much prefer the thinness of Gibson SG's...especially the super thin profile of the Les Paul SG's where it becomes almost so thin at the body dip that it nearly comes to a point. Super comfy and sleek. Wish they just did that with all of their guitars.
I like that look too! Thanks for checking it out.
I own the Epiphone version, hands down is one of my favorite guitars ever and I've owned more expensive guitars, The cheap alnico II pickups in it sound so good !!! seriously they do. I have never play the gibson version but the epiphone is so good that I don't feel like I need to try the gibson one. I have to mention my Epiphone has a way better matched flame maple veneer than most of the gibsons tops I have seen on youtube.
Love the colour and finish of the Gibson. But for me, considering the price, the epi wins for me!
so i doubt you could looking at the 2018 design, but if you were to replace the pickups... wouldn't you basically need to cut the guitar in half??
No, you can release the pickups from the backside, but you might have to cut the mounting tabs off the pickup to replace them. I’m not sure, to be honest! Would love to get my hands on one and mess around.
@@CompanyGrip The pickups on the 2018 HP models uniquely adjust and unscrew from the back. The pickups are also mounted internally on 3 springs. The L-shaped flanges on the pickups are turned inwards instead of outwards, so the pickups can be lifted out. Consequently, changing the pickups on the 2018 HPs involves a bit of metal-bending on any standard humbucker.
Not been an issue for me as I like the pickups on the HP models. I like the clean look without the pickup rings too. However the non-standard mounting proved unpopular and Gibson went back to using pickup rings and standard pickups from the 2019 year onwards.
Frank Marino should do a custom SG with Epiphone that would be cool
The only thing that kind of bothers is why doesn't the SG modern ( Gibson) have fret nibs ??
Strange, isn’t it?
Epiphone all day long over Gibson
Love that phase reversal feature. I’ll take four epiphones over the Gibson. That you very much.