Noob Champions - An Outdated Or Necessary Concept? | League of Legends
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- Despite modernizing most of its roster over the years, League of Legends retains a lineup of beginner friendly champions intended to serve as gateway cast members for newcomer players. But with many of them running into situations where it's hard to balance them due to their simplistic gameplay, today I wanted to discuss "Noob" Champions, and whether they're even necessary for the game or not.
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I think noob champs are required if anyone wants to start playing League. You simply cannot start learning League with Irelia, because you will be overwhelmed.
But the problem arises when you want to keep thei power level to newer or more complex champs, you shouldn't get rewarded for playing a champ that is extremely one dimensional.
I think it should be flexibility vs reliability. You know what Annie can do, and therefore can plan for it and counter it. Irelia, however, has more options to outplay and approach. I think the key to balance is in that area. Similar power, but complexity shouls gove more option imo. @annaadotd6405
@@annaadotd6405 It could be argued that you should be rewarded for forcing a one dimensional champion to work where it isn't designed to through mastery of the kit.
There's a big difference between knowing how something works and being able to operate with precision.
There are different aspects to the game. The macro game, wards, lane pressure, side objectives, etc. And then there is micro, animation cancels, cs, movement, etc. There needs to be champions that can minimize one of those aspects so you can focus and grow the others. WW is a great example of I want to put my focus on nothing but the macro game. Meanwhile I cannot really think of the reverse.... maybe a few of the beginner adcs? Idk I never played that role except that one time smite Vayne was busted. But the main reason it'd likely be an adv is because your support focuses on the other aspects for you.
she has pretty good wave clear with her q
Simple kits are also incredibly important for those with lower dexterity or fatigue issues. Less to think about + less to press = more accessible. Mental fog can make it incredibly frustrating to play a character that requires constant monitoring of the champion's mechanics itself. The more intuitive and easy to understand, the more consistent and fun the gameplay will be for someone who needs that.
Imagine you main a mechanically or mentally complex champion that is super reliant on timing and perfect inputs. And one day you wake up and you feel awful, and you never get better. You try to get back to how you used to be able to execute on that main, but it's physically and mentally impossible/causes massive fatigue and stress.
Simple champions allow someone in such a situation to keep playing the game and still have fun.
I love these champions. They allow me to focus on other mechanics of the game. Mostly macro. And they're arguably the only champs that have some skill overlap with specialists.
Miss Fortune missing here
It should be MF over Ashe. Ashe is quite hard to play as she is all about kiting
Yeah. For some reason Ashe is considered the noob adc instead of MF, when she is infinitely easier to play
I've never ever been able to make ad minim work ap mf sure but I can't make her do damage ad lol
@@sculamica4159 Ashe is both older (has been in the game longer) and cheaper to buy than MF.
@@justhair17Ashe is the easiest champion to learn kiting on though
Are they flawed? Yes. As are just about everything. Nowhere near the biggest problem the game has and, if I may say, we should have more of them.
Would rather 100 games vs garen then vs ksante
keeping these people from saying 1st
1st reply to 1st reply
Usually that's just a bot that says that and bomb rushes a content creators work once it's set up. Wish UA-cam cleaned the bot problems but oh well 🤷♂️
@@JeancarlosRPerez there no humans on the internet, it has been like this for years. dead internet theory
**manic laughter*, *uses finger to nudge down glasses to have eye contact** I can still say it 😈
As a fiddle otp i agree he has a very simple kit but he is definetly better in high elo than in low to the point i disagree he is a n00b champion u need a lot of knowledge on timing and especiqlly vision to be sucessfoul with him
Yeah when I saw that I was just “huh.” Fiddle is more in the category of “easy to understand, but hard to execute with on” and should not be in the same place as like, Veigar or Blitzcrank.
I felt the same about vlad he is not easy to farm with
@@mrnoblemonkey8401what? Q max.
He also really isnt a good Champion to learn the Game, considering his very weird way of having to enter fights
Yeah I can play tons of different junglers but I’ve never managed to make Fiddlesticks work. Definitely not beginner friendly
What i hate about league nowadays is that there's so much overloaded kits that the old champions become obsolete, everybody is familiar with that Blitzcrank W meme , where a new champion does 200 things on a passive, blitz slows himself on his W . While it is a meme, i think it's an accurate presentation of advancement, i understand league needs few new champs to feel fresh, but now every champion has ulti refresh on kill, 50 dashes, invisibilities, movement speed buffs, true damage, cooldown resets on basic abilities and i think its steering league into a bad direction. If it keeps like this, in a few years, there will be no reason to pick blitzcrank, because you will have "insert champion name" who does everything blitz does + revive teammates, shield everybody, perma CC, etc etc. I would love for champions to not be like Ksante or Akshan, with their passive being an Oxford University Essay, but a simple kit that remains effective.
Right, we should chop down the far overcomplicated or overloaded champions down to half their abilities so we can actually make meaningful changes to them and others. One passive and 4 abilities, possibly one ability that has an active and passive. There is skill in simplicity.
Starting in season 4 it's crazy that Champs like Yasuo and the Irelia rework are tame to me. Akshan and k'sante are the big offenders. I can think of new Champs though whose designs strike out against those. Even our newest champ Aurora is pretty tame. Her ult is incredible but the rest of her kit is pretty limited.
Some other newer Champs in my season 4 geezer brain that don't have this feature creep are like, Vex, Naafiri, Milio, Renata. They do really unique things, but their kits feel really well designed around very unique features. In the same way ashe slows every auto.
My main gripe with new champs is they never have any form of downsides within their kit. Only upsides stacked on upsides.
Blitzcrank gains as and ms, but slows him after as compensation.
Jhin aa hurt like nukes, but he has fixed as and needs to reload as compensation.
Meanwhile yone gets ms on his e, but he becomes even faster, oh wait that's a +
But at least while nilah passive grants free exp, it also increases heal and shield power, oh, that's also a positive.
I'm not trying to say yone or nilah are strong/weak with this, just if say yorick was made in the current era he'd probably be able to have unlimited ghouls but to make him more "fair" they would also get hyperbuffed and health regen while being near the maiden or some crap.
i mean this argument is kinda burned already cause out of the latest 6 new champs id say at least 5 of them are simple by nature (Aurora, Smolder, Briar, Naafiri and Millio) and the remaining one is Hwei, who has a lot of abilities but all of them are incredibly simple in nature, Smolder is incredibly easy to play, Naafiri is Literally designed to be a noob assasin, Millio is also incredibly simple even when compared to other enchanters, Briar has a lot of text (God forbig league players have to read anything) but her kit is Literally an autoplay character with little mechanical imput, Aurora is fairly skill expressive but also rather simple except for her ult maybe and again Hwei just has a lot of abilities but they are all really simple, people speak of Akshan like he's a recent release but he's already a 3yr old character
@@zbz5505 a thing you should consider when reading nilah's kit is that she has a negative by design which is being a melee champ who is locked to a ranged role and also cannot function with the same items other melee's have (since she's completely forced into crit builds since Everything in her kit requires crit to scale) all of those compensation passives are literally the only thing keeping her from being terrible (and i say this as someone who knows Nilah is turbo broken atm cause she's incredibly overtuned when playing with engage supps) but by design Nilah is a Bad character who is kept OP in specific scenarios to compensate for the fact she's worse Samira and Worse Yone/Yasuo
they are fine if they have 60% winrate in iron - bronze - silver and 50% in gold. then needs negative in everything higher so that players who have already gotten down the majority of the game (plat+) do not lose unfairly to a noob champ just because the enemy locked in a noob champ. it should not be possible and it was not possible in the past when the game wasn't just about whichever champ has the easiest kit with the highest numbers with the lowest chance to fail. just look at pro play, 90% of the champs are all noob/boring champs for years now because the champs that require the least skill are forced to have the same winrate as ones that take skill. so, they made the game not fun and not interesting by making noob champs give you free wins until master tier. literally one trick garens getting to korean challenger? come on. back in the day, garen wasn't even pickable past silver because back then you couldn't just point and click one shot people when they make 1 tiny mistake. the game is dying off because its fking boring to play a game where u are unironically punished for not locking in garen every game from iron all the way up to master tier.
Vlad is absolutely not a new player friendly champion. There is a reason why every time Vlads pickrate goes up from being the overtuned flavor of the month champ his winrate shoots down so hard.
i mean at 1:40 he explains what he's using to say that they are noob champs. and vlads kit fits the bill, i also think his kit is very easy to understand and make effective i just think that people who pick him up dont know how to play/build on him.
That's not because he's bad for new players, but because his kit favours loosing and regaining life very fast, and people who are not used to him tend to err on the side of danger. His kit is still very easy and simple, and just like the other in this list you have mostly one or two combos, so knowing when to use is more important than what to use.
@@metrux321 Vlad also has to play around the 3rd Q mechanic in order to do well nowadays, and that requires good spacing. Which is not a noob-friendly thing at all.
he didn't mention lux but mentioned vlad, KEKW.
Dota2, a game that is many times harder than League has more than half of it roster being simple heroes with easy kit and plenty off passives in their kit.
If Dota has them why shouldnt League?
I don't think it's fair to ask if all of them need to change or are fine as they are... Each one has their problems, or not. Ashe is fine, of course, as is Garen, but when was the last time you thought of cho'gath as a good pick? And Nasus has found a resurgence, but his kits is still flawed. Each champion should be looked upon on their own.
BTW, nice to see some footage from one of Brazil's most famous one tricks xD
Noob champs are definitely a required part of this game. Also in my opinion the music was a bit too loud in this video. Hard to focus on the words when you have maplestory blasting lol
I have been playing league of legends for just over a year now and I am so happy that there are simple champions.
If they did not exist I would just drop the game after the first hour
I do have more fun with the older champs than the newer ones.
If i wanted to read a paragraph, ill be reading a book instead.
Noob champs should teach you mechanics not just be simply easy to play and get insane value out of. Ashe teaches you to kite. Champs like amumu and the double Q available to him dont teach you how you should gank when jungling and rarely tramsfer on to other jg champs since most junglers dont get 2 diffrent instances of cc that stuns while bringing you into mele range while giving you a second chance instantly after if you miss.
You can just play an easy champ if you want to focus on macro and not worry about mechanics
Good morning vars could you make a video about Gwen please?
Vladimir and Ashe being “noob champions” has me scratching my head.
Vlad is notoriously weak without excellent combos and positioning.
Ashe requires great kiting, aim, and understanding the value of vision and what parts of the map needs vision.
Neither of which are very noob friendly at all.
you are talking about "easy to play, hard to master" archetype. their kit is basic and can be easily picked up, but the difference between a good vlad and a bad vlad is very noticeable
Ashe is a noob champion because you do not need skill to play her well (you need to kite for every adc). Her skill floor is at the bottom, where noobs are but her skill ceiling is pretty high.
Your comment on Ashe makes her perfect as a new champion. Macro is something that needs to be learned by everyone and Ashe encourages being constantly aware of your surroundings. She is harder than say, Garen or Malphite but I still say she’s noob friendly.
Ashe is most definitely a noob champion. It's just her role that's hard
2:45 soraka was a completely different champion in season 3, mundo is closer to his old design than soraka is to her old design
And Soraka's one of the harder to play enchanters on top of that. Why do peope always have to point to her when Janna, Sona and Yuumi are right there ?
Some champs shouldn't be in there
how are Vlad and Jarvan noob champs?
Why No One Play Talon :(
Would you make a video like ''the problem with toplaners''? About why it's champions feels so obnoxious or why it's a ''carry or get stomped role''. Moslty with bruisers,fighters and juggernaut, not so much tanks.
An ADC champ fails this idea. Ashe is better in higher elos because teams are better suited to abusing windows in cc or vision she creates. And Sivir’s strong wave clear is more impactful in games where people actually respect the shove wave into objective game plan. You mentioned Ashe having a base line of utility in her stun and slows but by that logic Varus and Jhin are noon champs because they both have utility in their kits. But Varus is a pro skewed champ. Jhin is kinda easy though but he fails to teach you ADC (attack moving) so imo he fails as a noob champion.
In summation giver your criteria and explanation I don’t think any ADC really falls under new champ, but if you really want to make the argument then MF should also be on the list.
you are the right man
you just explained why jhin is a great first champ. No need to attack move like other adcs. You get to learn the lane without worrying about micro.
Hear me out. If we just delete every champion in the game besides Shaco, nobody can complain about how overloaded or simple a champion’s kit is, cause everyone will have the same kit
simple champions are fine, what's not fine is having a degenerate kit/playstyle like Garen.
He's faster than you, he's tankier than you and he has more damage than you because he has 100 things in his kits to compensate his simple kit.
he gets MS so he isnt kited, he gets tankiness so he can play daamge and be useful, he gets crit/atck speed scaling so he can fully utilize big damage item, he gets a silence to reduce counter play, he gets passive regen so bad trade arent punishing and he gets point and click missing hp true damage to make killing easy.
if you don't have the stats you're fucked.
don't get me started on vladimir and master yi.
I'm a jungler so this comment doesnt target how they are in laning phase, it's about how little counter play they have after laning phase when the beast is unleashed on the map.
6:45 pls no, autofilled ashes are the most useless thing on planet they just do nothing, pick mf and go lethality with axiom arc when you are autofilled or play jhin or apc, you can at least be usefull dealing dmg by hitting ults in teamfight, i know ashe has easy kit but its not that easy to execute since you have to kait pretty well, know how to position in teamfight and be usefull with adc that has backloaded dmg, idk why you has her as noob champ since she has such a high skill floor just based on her playstyle that unlike other mentioned champs she is actually useless when dont played well, mf or jhin hitting ult in teamfight can be deciding also mages that can play bot, ashe with low range-low stun duration ult is not that deciding and also it deals almost no dmg and you are playing the carry…
I would raise an argument. Noob champions are a solution to a self created problem. when the Devs create these extremely complex champions, they are too often doing so without considering the experience of learning that champion, and even less the experience of coming up against or playing as that champion as a new player. most people will try a game like League and choose a champion based off the logic of "this guy looks cool." and they end up on Yasuo or Akali or K'sante. but they can't learn much of the game while trying to play those champs. designing something that is complex and deep whilst also being easily explainable is not only extremely difficult but with some concepts it's arguably impossible.
If I could get a little bit Tinfoil hat-y, I think maybe The Devs at Riot get too attached to certain champion concepts, and we end up with many poorly concieved designs that probably shouldn't have been pushed to live. but that's just my personal theory.
What I like about "noob" champs is that I like being underestimated and then surprise the enemy of how well I am by outplaying them by just using a "noob" champ, nothings more satisfying than that.
I follow an OTP Yorick that ones said "You think Fiora it's hard because she have so many tools to use and combine, but that's exactly what makes her easy, because you can do almost everything without having real consequences", something that without saying Fiora is brain dead or whatever I can relate, sometimes less tools or easier and more straightforward tools are actually harder.
One thing i wanna mention is i would some of the older noob champs consider to be worse at introducing players to a role than some of the newer ones.
Take annie for example. On paper her gameplay is beyond straightforward, but one thing you have to lookout for is that her w range isnt as high as her q range, meaning you can miss a part of her combo if you are unfortunate. in addition to that, her e is kinda displaced in her kit, making it more of a distraction for inexperienced players. A better variant of her is vex, which has a more satisfying kit. She is all skill shots, but they are so big that i think a lot of people dont mind managing that. Her passive is a bit more complicated than annies, but not that much more complicated.
Another example of a newer beginner friendly champion is naafiri. Despite her dog gimmic, her abilities are very digestible in application and as long as you can tell the difference between a squishy and a tank, you can and will kill with her.
Ideally, the simpler champions still have a high skill ceiling. IE: You can pick up and play them by simply understanding their purpose and executing it, while still possessing a lot of depth and nuance for longtime mains.
It's hard to get right but a low barrier to entry with a reasonably high ceiling is PEAK game design in my eyes, and these Champions I'm about to list are among what I would consider the most well designed in the game.
ALISTAR: The quintessential tank. They pretty much nailed his design from day 1. Alistar is peak design. He is exactly what you imagine when thinking about a tank. Get the W + Q combo down, which shouldnt take more than a handful of games and boom, you're useful. At the same time, your CC has so many applications in so many different scenarios. Angling into walls so you can maximize cc "uptime", knowing what abilities can be negated with proper W timing, staggering your CC with other players CC to maximize it and so on. There is an enormous difference between a decent Cow and a great Cow and that is why his design is peak. He does his one thing, but he can do that thing in so many different ways. Oh, and if your sloppy, you can brick games by W'ing people out of harms way. Oof.
Compare Cow to Leona and it's night and day. She engages. She's great at it. However, outside of your ult being ranged, your abilities are extremely rigid in how they're used. Alistar can approach an encounter in so many ways. Leona is going to land E and slap you with Q + W. She can't so that, she'll try her best to peel for her carries. Nothing against her, a good Leona is always a boon. I think she's perfect as somebody's go to tank support. But as a true main or one trick, Alistair is infinetly more rewarding to play.
FIDDLESTICKS: The GOAT of reworked champs. Fittle is PEAK design. His abilities? All understandable and mechanically approachable. However, no character exemplifies their visual and sound design better than Fiddle. If you just use your abilities in succession dueling somebody, your just going to get CCd and explode. There are a LOT of bad Fiddle players. You need to play this character like a horror movie villain. While it's not unique to him, timing is so crucial and punishing to get wrong for Fiddle that there tends to be a pretty wide chasm between experienced Fiddles and the new ones. Fiddlesticks ALWAYS needs to be thinking about how and where he can approach a fight. He's a squishy immobile caster who absolutely MUST get it right because a bad Fiddle Ult is essentially suicide.
I'll compare him to Malazhar. Both have a crucial to hit-ult, and a bad Malz ult can be punishing. However, a bad Malz ult is also hard to find. Even if your prone to just using it on the first person you see, likely getting blown up immediately...you still suppressed a player. The way Malzahar approaches a game his very little variation than somebody like Fiddle, yet they're both one - trick ponies in a lot of ways.
noob champions, shows ashe
yeah bro caiting with 10000 attack speed with a squishy adc is so noob, garen player can for sure cait in this gane kappachungus
Ashe is NOT a noob champ. While she seems simple, she is quite hard to play as kiting is essential with her and most new players would absolutely suck at ashe. And an autofill adc would absolutely suck at her, as they likely cant kite properly and other than her arrow, thats all Ashe is about. Someone like MF is way easier. And as an adc player, autofill Sorakas are quite horrible and the difference between a bad and good soraka is huge
Honestly I think Noob Champs are amazing.
Now do I hate gettign oneshot by a Garen? yes I do, but he only as one ult, he doesnt have resets, I dont need to kill him first so he wont revive the whole team by accident.
Honestly I take a champ stat checking me anyday of the week, it feels better than a tank suddenly oneshotting my adc and support because he decided that he is bored of being a tank but now wants to be an assasine (a tanky assasine).
On top of that I have to admit, I am not in my prime anymore and even back then I didnt have the reflexes to play highly mechanical champs. Now for people like me or people with decreasing reflexes it would be impossible, if there werent noob champs that we can play and still match those keyboard monkeys.
So yes they are good and I think we need mroe of them.
noob champs become the most frustrating champs to play against when they become meta. Nasus and Garen rn are literal evidence
Looking at this list, some of these champions I do love playing because of how simple they are and others on here I would not touch. But I will say I do think vlad is a weird choice(I would dead ass say vlad is harder than hwei) and some of these chanps. It's easy to be absolutely useless on vs other champs in here.
I do think they clearly have their place as not everyone wants to player to play something more skill intensive or want simpler champions in their pool as well. Personally from this list, Morgan is my 2nd favorite champion, I enjoy malz, leona and naut I enjoy more then most tanks. However, that doesn't stop me from playing cassio, hwei, galio etc. I also just dont want to play 200 or 400 year champs all the time along with not enjoying some more skill intensive champions.
Spin to win aoe minion clear! warmog auto heal passive, cleanse, silence, speed boost, execution ult, who am I?
absolutely not necessary at all. Point and click CC is on a lot of these champs and I don't think somebody's lack of skill should mean that I need to fight an uninteractive character just because my enemy never learned to hit skillshots.
WW is THE noob champ for jungle. Im honestly surprised he wasnt listed. And he is my main Jungle. Idgaf bout micro, dont make me put too much effort on it, give me a basic ass ability kit. Let me just do the macro game.
Sett is definitely noob friendly, he was just a modern way of making a noob friendly champ
I don't think noob champs are needed for the game because like every champ you'll just get better with them as you keep playing, and if you dont like that champ just switch to another one you may like. That was my league experience when I started anyway
Annie is such a weak champion. She has an infinite value ult but that's about it. I mained her in split 2 and of course you can have success with her like any champion in the game if you play with good fundamentals, but unless you really enjoy playing her there is little reason not to just pick another mage instead. She gets outranged by almost all mages, she has poor trades because of high mana cost and terrible waveclear which makes her sidelaning really bad. Just pick orianna, syndra, viktor, hwei or ahri and you will have much more success. All of them surpass her either in burst, crowd control, mobility utility, flexibility and every single one definitely in waveclear.
That's my gripe towards her as well. She may have the longest basic attack range for a mage iirc, outside that, she's pretty much outranged by everyone else.
Ironically for a noob champion, I find that you have to be way more proactive than other mages to get the most out of Annie. Her trade/engage patterns are so telegraphed that even pre-30 players know to just force her to waste it. You have to be at the right spot at the right time to take them off guard.
Annie was among the best lane bullies in the game.
She had enough mana to waveclear, enough damage to kill pre 3, and enough damage to kill 2 people post 6.
Those were the days.
Nowadays, Annie just a ranged minion that slowly transforms into stunbot as game goes on.
Simple champs/kits are paramount to help people ease into playing League. Good example is my friend who only played Yuumi at first because she was the easiest, but after awhile she expanded her roster to other champs now and tackles Jungle sometimes as Warwick or Diana.
The funny thing is these champs end up being meta in the funniest of ways. Garen vs Nasus mid was seeing play in LCK playoffs, meaning the best players in Korea in some of the most competitive matches of the year decided two of these noob champions were the best champions to win.
Noob champions lux and garen are overused and doesn’t take skill to play just press R.
annie is not even a noob champion anymore these days. she has such a close range (gets outranged by freaking YONE), bad waveclear (very mana intensive one also) and ofc very low mobility. shes not easy anymore when you can play other mages. so its debatable.
They really arent part of the problems league has , they are simple to play and to play against with clear strenght and weaknesses and no overloaded kit or balance nightmare
I need you to speak in a more interesting way once in a while. Your voice remaining the same pace and tone kind of bores me out of the video.
Please keep them, it's so satisfying dumping on 200 years edgy mcgee champions with annie and malphite
i think they should exist but they should never be good beyond gold or something. No one wants Garen mid or whatever dominating pro play or high elo in general
I miss old Vlad when you can reach 1 HP with spamming Tides of Blood at level 1
Lux is definitely a noob champ. I would argue that its easier to learn mid with her than annie since she has more reliable access to cc and safer farm.
I love your videos man but your way to hard to understand, every upload I get like 2 minutes in and bounce
You must love Togain with all the MapleStory music you put in your videos
At least give annivia a shield like malzahar while her egg is down or something xd Poor neglected birb
Briar is not noob friendly but I think has perfect training wheels for new players
They are required. But they should not be super strong. Garen is a monstrosity.
I don’t get why they feel the need to constantly make new champions. Like, enough. Please.
There needs to be a Ryu in every street fighter, doesn’t matter if Ryu is dead or not. Same with Ken
I can respect people who start on Garen, but I hate Garen otps with a passion
you forgot xin zhao, so easy to use is almost braindead champ
I love AMumu... He is such a awesome jungler for a Jungle Noob like me.
The fact that Ashe has a on hit slow and one of the easiest and longest range pokes is braindead
5:26 what the rabbit doin😭
EVEN IN DEATH I ASSERT DOMINANCE
We need a video for everlasting toggle abilities - vayne, gnar etc
noob champs are necessary but they should newer be S or A tier.
I evolved from Main Lux > Main Zilean > Main Bard 😊
"For Cho'gath don't be near him when you're low hp."
or just like at 2k hp. You can routinely hit 1k damage on ult vs champions as Cho. Combine that with the braindead QW -> 2xE -> R and you can consistenly 100-0 any squishy.
yeah i think it would be better if cho gath didn’t scale and actually i think his r should do less damage throughout the game
Most noob champions are so outdated they need to build wonk builds that don't really teach new players how the class is supposed to build. Garen is the only juggernaut that want to build berserker + PD, Ashe has crit scaling on her kit but her best build still on hit or lethality support, Amumu is basically an AP bruiser instead of a tank etc.
I don’t really fault that to the champions. Amumu build is mostly a result of damage creep/dumb item changes that made their non-wonky/more straightforward builds obsolete.
Definitely necessary so it engages new players to learn the game
why is that guy named alistar???
It's a option to only display champion names instead of player names.
@@phoenixflamegames1 no I mean at the beginning of the video in the concept art for alistar
@@jomes4137 was likely the name they went with before that concept art became Lee Sin. Things change all the time in production.
if you think garen is op its a skill issue
some people say noob champions i see free elo
Qiyana should be in there
Definitely still needed for ever
For every Aphelios, there has to be a Sett. So yes, I think it's necessary to have easy to play champions.
What about singed!!!!!!!!!!!
Never this early YAY
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i feel like vlad isn't really a noob champion, but rather a "easy to play, hard to master" archetype. his kit is basic and easy to pick up, but has a very high skill ceiling and feel like there's still lots of ways to improve your gameplay with him
Can't take any "hard to master" champion serious whose only hard to master mechanic is when to use the complete invulnerability build into their kit. Sorry Vlad, Fizz and Evelyn. I might not be good on you after a day of playing but you are also not "hard to master".
@@kunibertrandolf1886 Why evelynn? Evelynn's invul is on a long ult cooldown. The other two have it on a basic ability.
@@phoenixflamegames1 coz she sucks in high elo. She is a noob-no-minimap-installed-eater
@kunibertrandolf1886 that's called being salty and a "skill issue" tbh. I hate Fizz and Vlad invulnerable, but I acknowledge using it right takes skill and knowledge.
And Evelyn's is short and on a long CD. It requires great timing.
Hard to master? the second you learn to hold E before W you've mastered him. No need to make him seem harder than he is and just accept that he's braindead easy.
Vladimir??
Annie needs a buff because like her W and E, her W and E just sucks so much.
Yea, they're really the only bits of the kit that need love.
Yea okay Vladimir and Fiddlesticks definiterly ARENT Noob Champions
Nope, they are nood champion. It quite clear on what they can do, and that is quite limited
@@hiirozero3623 i personally disagree, by his definition as Zed would not be a noob champion due to how he can play around with his shadows to confuse people, both fiddle and vlad also fall into that category
Vlad admittedly i'm biased against (being a newer player to league - playing only last couple of seasons casually) cause i still struggle to understand how he goes from nothing to 1v9'in a game in no time flat.
But actively having to keep track of his blood meter as an enemy, having to predict his pool timing, whether he uses it offensively or defensively, the ultimate etc. which of course are things you have to keep track of and know when your strong or weak when using him.
Fiddlesticks whilst i imagine people think is a noob champion due to his kit being somewhat linear in terms of ability rotations has alot of learning in it if you want to perform & ontop of that as a prerequisite to even trying him -> You need to know common ward spots and use enemy and teams warding alike to your advantage.
As an enemy you have to change up your entire warding system to catch fiddle earlier than later & make it so he wont sweep you. And as a fiddle player you have to sus out those wards, dip in and out of combat and sight to reset your passive if enabled to, and most importantly is making sure you can channel your W the whole way in a team fight otherwise you have double cooldowns & do maybe 1/3 of the damage.
If it's purely on - what they can do is limited, then you might as well throw in Xerath, Vel'koz, Warwick, Xin zhou, Ornn, any adc except samira and any other champion that doesn't have resets or multiple teleports.
Nah. Zed, vlad and fiddle kit is easy to learn, and the first few time i play them i already do like 80% of what a main champ can do like he said. Adc not noob champion (ashe and missfortune are thou, the most basic) because you can't just play them for a few game and do what a main champ do , for example: caitlyn kit is simple, but i can't never pull of a triple headshot combo with the few amount of time i play her. Xayah, silvir, trisana too, they kit a simple to understand, but using them at 80% effectiveness after a few game never going to happen. Warwick q have a dash, which require alot of playtime to master it use. Xerath kit are aslo simple, but are you sure you going to have 90% hitrate after few game? Velkoz, also simple kit, hard to pick up too. Ornn, simple kit, never going to hit the double brittles in a few game, and he still have a triple brittles combo. Xin zhou thou, agree
@@hiirozero3623 by that logic, most champions are quite clear on what they can do
Asol presses Q
Vayne dashes around and deals much dmg while being invis in ult
Talon jumps over walls and dashes at you with a lot of bleed dmg and
Hecarim just runs at you spamming abilities around him
This list could go on forever
Before watching: Ashe is the 'Noob Champion' I despise the most as someone who enjoys playing tanks. The feeling of being perma-kited or perma-chased is so mind-numbingly painful. All they need to do for me to see Ashe as anything more than the definition of 'Useful even when 0-10' is remove her god-forsaken passive slowing effect.
I feel like she would lose her identity as a utility adc if that were removed. She’s not really there to deal damage in the same way as hyper-carries like jinx and the likes, moreso gradually whittle you down and then utilize cc to end you. She’s a very reliable champ to play because even when you’re behind it doesn’t mean you can’t contribute anything, which is a breath of fresh air in such a feast-or-famine role like bot lane.
Build thornmail problem solved
i would say all tanks are noob champs.
or maybe use your super long range engage tools (and dont say tanks are inmobile cause most tanks have an engage range either higher or equal to Ashe's autoatack range) and actually do your job and take the L for your team while they deal with ashe, who yk has no dashes, no sustain and below average dps for a role meant to only deal damage, its not like tanks nowadays lack permaslows themselves when stuff like iceborn exists, if you play inmobile melee champs into ashe then you just choose to lose by drafting
Tank players when they cant just walk at you and removing half of your health with a Heartsteel Attack, very skilled
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Bro has the audacity to call garen noob champion 💀💀. He's mechanically the hardest champ to date. Speaks volumes considering he's an old champ
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Idk why Riot makes these noob champions so strong they work in high elo. Entry level champions should work only in lower ranks tbh.
Because champs have become so overloaded that even Noob Champs have to be buffed to oblivion to be viable in low elo. Which makes them stronger in Higher Ranks with Players that can leverage their strength better
Nah every champ should be competetive in every elo. Beginner champions aren't overpowered and impossible to play against, they're just easy to learn and harder to make mistakes with. If a player is not good, he will lose with no matter the champion he picks.
it's so funny seeing garen went from a meme pick to a legit threat that must be kept an eye out for in worlds.
@@bamgbose3309 I agree with mostly what you say, but still, take in consideration, that if a champion is so simple, you can't really fuck up with him, but still strong enough to have high winrate in higher elos, that eventually will create the problem Vars talked in the later part of the video, that better players won't make mistakes on the champ, and it will be basically an unwinnable lane at the very least if Riot wants them to be viable so much in higher elos.
@@TheSeargentStriker doesn't matter how overloaded a champ can be when low elo players can't play them. That's what an entry level, or noob champ should be. Strong enough to beat all those overloaded champs in low elo, to learn the game. They definitely shouldn't be viable in high elo.
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they needa rework garen idc
He wouldn't be half as much as a problem if his E didnt scale as well with the crit items (that give movement speed too) as it does. Plus the armor shred.
hes iconic they cant