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Sentencing of Protestors & China's Military Muscle
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Where do you stand on Just Stop Oil protestors being sentenced? What could come of China’s military drills in Belarus? What drives young men towards Andrew Tate?
Rory and Alastair answer all these questions and more in this week's Question Time.
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Huzzah ❤ 😊 ❤
Hiya esteemed people ❤you rock my head in exactly the same way as Zappa Frank ...
Love the napping pet sir 😊
Sorry to introduce myself when you improve ing men are talking amongst yourselves 🎉 ❤🎉😂 😢 😮 😅 😊 clm x
China 🇨🇳 is up and coming it would seem to moi. Trumpet is crude oil and gas bag perhaps maybe not for the inspiration of a good boy 👦 but the only thing we can think about is that she does love him more and more and more and more people will want to get somewhere else soon I think 🤔 or are we moving in the morning Mum xxx
The dog stretches at 23:33
Thank for this, I was a bit worried too.
The dog is a Ruby Cavalier King Charles spaniel.
thank you for your service
The content we need
the best part 😂
I really appreciate Rory's vigilance about always pausing the discussion when a person or an event comes up to provide context or explanation. We all have some blind spots and his diligent approach really helps the viewer to keep up no matter the topic of the conversation.
The US is constantly "training" right on the border of China. In fact it has been revealed that the US stationed troops on Kinmen Island 4 km from one of China's largest cities. So I don't see anything wrong with China exercising close to NATO.
ive grown so much more fond of you both since the podcast, great listen.
A four year sentence for non-violent protest is absolutely disgusting considering the length of sentences we often see judges hand down to violent, repeat offenders.
“That funny game with scissors and rocks”.. You mean the unbelievably well known game Rock, Paper, Scissors..?!?! Like what?!?
Most confusing thing I've ever heard on this podcast
Albanese in Australia started with great ratings in the polls. Two years down the track his ratings have tanked. In my opinion it`s due to tinkering at the edges rather than really addressing the country's problems. Boldness was required, but they failed to deliver. The ALP say they are playing a long game, but what's the point of having a Labour government if they don't do anything. I hope Starmer doesn't follow the same path.
Albo won with the lowest primary vote ever, his popularity was a mirage.
Similarly, Starmer's share of the vote is very low for an incoming government in the UK despite his huge majority.
Worth nothing that there's a bit of a difference in the way we elect candidates here. For those unaware, if Labor are second but get the most preferences they will still take the seat in the lower house. Couple that with compulsory voting, tactical voting doesn't make a lot of sense.
Because of the electoral differences I would expect them to get another term. The LNP would need to retake the teal seats or they would need to take quite a few seats off Labor.
I think they did go bold but is was culture wars - an indigenous voice to parliament - instead of economic reform.
Australia is irrelevant why bother bringing it up.
Maybe because they got slammed for having an aggressively progressive agenda in the prior election which resulted in ScoMo getting elected and how did that work out?
Labour quietly sorted out years of issues created by the Libs within the first 100 days including re-establishing a working relationship with China.
@@freef49I agree but Marles in Defence and Wong in Foreign Affairs have pushed AUKUS and pro Israel policies that have disgusted the base. Labor will be in minority facing more Greens Teals and other Indis. As they deserve.
I found the conversation on Andrew Tate a bit disappointing. Tate is a symptom, not a cause, of something in western societies that is turning young boys to these extreme views. Tate is a disgusting individual, but he is clearly tapping in to some underlying feeling amongst the younger generation and to be dismissive of that is not only unhelpful, it is counter productive to resolving this issue.
Agreed. Campbell is being foolish by 'brushing it under the carpet'. I do not know where his opinions are rooted but he's being stupid and out of touch for not addressing it.
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth. That is what is happening. If young men have nothing, they will turn inward and take everything. And ignoring that is massive cope and frankly stupid. Appeasing the destructive is not the choice that is good here, but ignoring it, vilifying it and giving it no purpose is worse.
tate is funny sometimes.
@@SpannerWorks Your analogy seems to be that young men who fall for Andrew Tate are akin to a psychopathic mass-murdering arsonist child who burns his family and all of his community alive and destroys their village. Seems a bit extreme, but okay. Then you go on to say we shouldn't vilify the person who leads the mass-murderor-to-be to their actions. You also write 'ignoring it', the pair of them spoke for a good 5mins about how bad Andrew Tate is, not sure how that is 'ignoring it' exatly.
Yes, there's this harmful belief among many older men that the way to show solidarity with women is to utterly dismiss the validity of any issues raised by young men. When people meet a response like that repeatedly, radicalisation becomes much easier. The success of vile people like Andrew Tate and the rise in misogyny are two major negative consequences, but they're far from the only ones.
Fortunately, I think a more compassionate attitude towards young men is more common among female politicians (though not the one Campbell named, who has said some hateful things). A big thing that struck me about Angela Rayner's excellent interview was that, when she came up with an example of subconscious biases people hold on the spot, the one she thought of was the suspicion people automatically have towards groups of young men. But that would have passed Campbell by. His faux solidarity doesn't really mask the outdated way he usually talks about women.
@@kicorse Campbell is from an era where signalling for equality purposes was probably beneficial for his optics.
For the record I do see the young male thing as a problem but purpose and unity through purpose provided is the solution that we need to give them. Campbell's rhetoric does not offer this; his assertion is seen as an out of touch old man who does not allow a younger, junior male to sit at the table.
Young men are not dogs. If you beat them and shout at them, they will eventually bite back.
Funny that India is supporting the Russian economy far more than China, but there's no punishment from the US...hmmm I WONDER WHY
India's not selling heaps of dual-use materials for their military or flying bombers off the coast of Alaska though. It's more than just the economic connection.
Because it was a US screw up in the cold war that forced India get close to Russia
What do you think?
Almost as if India isn't supplying "dual use" equipment to Russias military 🤔
@@kylesherman895 almost like India directly sold weapons to Russia. As if India has an industrial base to supply "dual use" equipment to Russia LOL
Really impressed with the foreign affairs analysis by Rory here. Having lived in China for all of last year - I couldn't agree more.
I do think that how young men see themselves is a very important issue to address. It is the reason why Andrew Tate has followers.
Young men need mentors and role models. Many grow up without this, hence one of the roles that gangs offer. Male and female energy is different. Unless we start to address this, and understand hating either sex is just stupid, then people like A.T will grow in influence! I have seen this with one of my friends. A strong very capable woman, a true ‘feminist’ but now recognising that much of what she thought in the past has had a serious impact on her grandson. A young man brought up in an entirely female household. I would suggest all read John Gray’s book ‘Beyond Mars and Venus.’ A very interesting and informative book. We need to stop polarising the sexes in hate and anger, and start recognising the true power in each...open up dialogue on this subject.
Not that old piece of trash Mars and Venus...Most young men don't want to be Andrew Tate. Why not spend more effort and time on good people.
Most followers of Andrew Tate are not young men. They are middle aged men who have been screwed over in gynocentric western countries who destroy men's lives in divorce courts, paternity fraud and child custody cases
Most of these men have seen and experienced how unfair men and fathers are being treated in society and they are talking about it.
Men's issues are real. Men are being unfairly treated in divorce laws, child custody cases and in almost all areas of society.
The fact that you even refuse to acknowledge that is what is shocking.
75% of all suicides are men, 75% of all homelessness cases are men.
A lot of this is because of divorce laws, child custody and child support laws that destroy men financially and also hurt children to appease women.
Thst is the underlying problem.
Yet bringing this up is called misogyny as a way to shut down the conversation and debate.
There needs to be reform in the legal system and in our societies
Men are not being tested fairly.
22:25 is a missed edit. I feel like I've just seen behind the wizards curtain. I always wondered how they got everything so perfect
The closing discussion on Andrew Tate and the radicalisation of young men was very disappointing. It almost seemed more of an exercise in performative virtue signaling, than a genuine attempt to engage with the subject.
You don't have to agree with Andrew Tate's ideology to be able to start exploring why he has been successful in building a following among young men. Moreover, Alistair's instinctive reaction to try reframe the discussion about issues with men's receptiveness to Andrew Tate in terms of the need to support women, is itself revealing about why this this has become the serious problem that it is. If politicians, decision makers, and opinion leaders all decline (for whatever reason - whether it be political instinct, or virtue signaling) to meaningfully engage with an issue, it shouldn't be surprising that the issue doesn't get resolved.
What I think many people who are unencumbered with the need to win elections/contend with public opinion have observed, is that the current cultural zeitgeist is not particularly sympathetic to young men as a demographic. Many young men - especially those who are perhaps not so privileged or well off, may even feel a degree of hostility toward them in the prevailing culture, and so are primed to feel some degree of grievance.
If young men are feeling like 'the left' or 'mainstream opinion' frames them in terms of all the things they're doing wrong, it should be no surprise that someone who offers them a message of sympathy and support suddenly becomes very appealing.
Andrew Tate isn't appealing because he espouses hateful ideology. He is appealing because he has successfully marketed himself has someone who acknowledges and treats young men as actual human beings with feelings (and then tacks on a serve of extremist ideology as a bonus), in an environment where there most public figures/opinion leaders are reluctant to do so.
Tate is not about "young men" tout court. He's about young straight white men. He's a proto-fascist.
Well said.
Rory, I love the context you add to these conversations. You’re absolutely correct to explain topics and individuals not everyone understands or know. Great job👏🏻👌🏻👍🏻👊🏻
Totally disagree with Alastair on a 'mens minister' and had to stop my run to write this. I think you'll find that the rise in misogyny has links to men feeling emasculated, and finding fewer options to live a life that wider society still expects men to lead. Norway recently published a men's charter because they recognise that young men face issues that are unique in society and need addressed - I would hardly call that approach right wing. Many young men feel despondent about the future and are often told that they are a problem (in society). Looking at young men's educational achievements compared to women also showcase a widening gap. There are plenty of issues that a men's minister could address, to get men to feel hopeful again and redefine what masculinity is and I think you'll find it would also address some of the issues of misogyny in our society at the same time.
Yeah, politicians never need men in society until they get themselves into a hot war they can't get out of and then they can't get enough of them.
Agreed. There are so many problems that boys and men face, that are - at best - ignored since men are supposed to tough it out or - at worst - downplayed and scoffed at. Boys face an education system geared towards girls, run by women and often times openly hostile to male developmental needs. Young men face a society that increasingly distributes economic success based on the results of the education system.
Alistair's response is the cringe worthy "Men suffer disadvantage, women most affected."
@@Der_Thrombozyt No society is not a meritocracy, economic success still remains 80% dependent on what class your parents are.
@@nomadpurple6154 I don't know what straw man you constructed out of meritocracy, but economic success being largely tied to class isn't exclusionary with my claim that economic success is increasingly tied to educational success.
@@Der_Thrombozyti think your reply is more cringe than Alastair's. Won't someone think of those poor men, the ones the world we live in has been built for?
Absolutely agree 100% with Rory`s observations on China and how they shouldnt be looked on as being in the same group as Iran , North Korea etc
They're worst
DCI (Director Central Intelligence) says China is the CIA's #1 threat.
You don't group the puppets with the puppeteers
China is hawkish and taking over the world using economics and cyber dominance. They are far more dangerous to our way of life because it’s extremely effective.
@highlandlass9652 talking about China, etc, but all too scared to talk about what's really been going on with Israel for the last 70 or so years... I wonder why.
Ab Fab is the best, sobering (no extra pun intended) funhouse mirror for my sometimes too self indulgent generation (1953). We all need to watch it, occasionally.
Nice dog!
On the protesters, they didn't just plan disruption, they implemented it. The M25 was shut down or disrupted for four days, causing 51,000 person hours of delays. People missed flights, medical appointments and exams. I agree the sentences still seem harsh, possibly the judge was aggravated by persistent disruption of the court proceedings, but I do think custodial sentences of some sort were appropriate. From an ethical standpoint I understand the motivation of protesters, however if they break the law, doing so for the purposes of protest aren't a valid justification to avoid any and all consequences.
well said
I came here to post something similar. I initially thought the sentences were harsh but after reading the judge’s sentencing remarks it makes more sense to me.
Totally agree….amazing how few people can discern the difference between legal protesting and mild domestic terrorism
In regards to the radicalised men question: I can't help but feel people are listening to these controversial figures (and acting out in harmful ways) because it's often the only direct acknowledgement of their struggles they hear.
Questions of isolation, loneliness and frustration within male society aren't addressed in other mainstream places (i.e. How do we define masculinity today? How do men balance emotional needs with what is often expected of them? Can men's value be separate from their utility to society?).
No one is talking about it in the mainstream. Instead, we've stigmatised 'toxic masculinity' and emotions like anger, making them more likely to build up and be violently expressed. Mainstream culture resents masculinity, so men can start to resent themselves (especially if they have no alternative role models). Then, as we all know: hurt people, hurt other people.
It's no wonder these harmful figures are so popular, they're the only ones who tell men they have value (albeit with terrible conclusions as to the expression of that value). The way to confront these figures is to give people alternative role models who care about men's issues. Making the conversation about what's acceptable, and less about what is unacceptable. So that people don't feel they have to resort to harmful ideas because they're the only ideas that seem to acknowledge men's struggles.
It's not (only) a fight against male violence, but (I think more importantly) a fight against male resentment in modern society.
I think that's not quite true. This issue is everywhere, mindfulness and wellbeing initiatives all over the country are trying to engage and reach this population and have been trying for years. Maybe the question is why so many men who have these feelings feel particularly seen and heard by radical groups who externalise these struggles and blame women, foreigners and wokeness, rather than provide solutions that start with them. Why do men not have quality friends with whom to discuss their feelings? Are they themselves offering a non-judgemental ear to their buddies or are they part of the problem? Why do men feel isolated? Are they themselves actively trying to be more sociable? Why do men feel blamed for all the things? Are they defensive by default or are they trying to listen and self-reflect?
And yes, groups who suffer the most from male violence may actually talk about toxic masculinity. These two discourses can be had at the same time.
@@alexblainelayter7703 " Maybe the question is why so many men who have these feelings feel particularly seen and heard by radical groups who externalise these struggles and blame women, foreigners and wokeness, rather than provide solutions that start with them." You're putting the cart before the horse here. People don't dive right into Andrew Tate... podcasts, or whatever kind of long-form content he diarrhoea-vomits into a camera and mic. It starts on short form stuff that's just "Not happy? Tidy your room. Start with the desk, you can do it now, and it'll feel better." "Not like those skinny arms/beer gut/jawline? Your local gym can help with that. Don't get the car, walk, jog or run".
It's later on that it gets weird.
I don't mean to argue but you realise that you recontextualised all these issues to be the fault of the men ... this is part of a overall way of talking about men who are vulnerable seems to go..
@@alexblainelayter7703 Good point, although I think we’re arguing for the same thing.
Many of the answers to the questions you pose will probably be along the lines of a cultural lack of acceptance for male emotion. In a way, men have always had these issues - it just historically manifested differently. Although you are right, mindful and well-being initiatives are helping somewhat. However, they’re usually unisex/non gendered and there’s still no addressing of masculine identity itself.
I think much of it is to do with a murky definition of masculinity. There’s a (historically) accepted male identity in the old world but a new modern identity hasn’t caught up to the specificity of the old one.
Old world tradition is filling that void of male identity (and making people a lot of money by selling it), where for many men there isn’t a clear modern alternative idea.
When you are resentful the easy and unskilful thing to do is blame others. However, you can’t convince someone with that mindset to start, all of a sudden, looking at themselves. You can’t fix emotional problems with intellectual answers.
This is where better role models and more positive talk within society comes in. At least if we can’t create a watertight solution to the problem, we can offer an alternative. Defining that alternative and advertising it, with positivity, hope and encouragement, I feel, has to be the first step.
Maybe we could teach them more history. That's what reassures me when I feel a gripe about some aspect of feminism. I mean, it would be pretty incredible for a social revolution to transform society, hugely for the better, while perfectly avoiding all friction and excess. I can't even drive my car down a straight road that competently. So maybe some combination of 'look how awful everything used to be + look how difficult revolution is + let's be stoic about all this' ?
Rishi Sunak became a walking jokes during the election campaign, and because he concedes graciously, he is now a national treasure???
I absolutely love this channel! You guys are so informative, articulate and more importantly, moderate! Never change, I will always support you!
"What about the number of young men being radicalised?"
"Well what we need to think about is the women."
Way to miss the point Alistair.
Acts of physical, emotional and sexual violence against women are criminal. We have laws to protect women from those acts, and the people who break those laws are criminals, and should be dealt with accordingly.
However, "we must think about the women" is treating the symptom and not the cause. Why are these young being being so easily radicalised in such large numbers? How can we prevent this? Maybe they should have more of a voice?
No, we should think about the women.
We'll call these young men incels, we'll craft laws to better protect women, we'll police young men's language and censor their social media. We'll do all this symptom treating and then be completely surprised when it doesn't go away. Willing them to stop is not enough, and this tone-deaf response from the usually-brilliant Alistair, is a miss on this occasion.
Good points, but I agree with Alistair that the Right are weaponising people like Tate.
#gynocentrism on full display by the host. Good catch
I’ve already listened to this on Spotify as is the norm, yet I’ve come over to do some dog watching 😆
Me too 😂😂
Alistair really misses the point of people like Tate, he mistakenly says that Tate calls himself a mysoginist (he is one but he doesn't call himself that). The idea that people exist in the public consciousness without reason is silly, there are issues around masculinity and the place of men in the new gender settlement, Tate is a symptom of those men trying to find their way, addressing those issues is the only way to take away his power. Name calling and hard ringing do nothing
Well .... Tate is a ludicrous character. He's a criminal for a start, and would have been considered a criminal even in the heyday of the patriarchy. He exists in the public consciousness because of Social media, and for no other reason. There's no necessity for society to "address" his issues. In the same way, groups of looters on TikTok might make grandiose claims that they're "critiquing capitalism". Society doesn't address their issues by obliging shops to cut prices - do they?
He deserves to be name-called. Appeasement doesn’t work with characters as grim as him
@@lexm17 it's not the name-calling that I object to, I agree that he is a mysoginist. It's that Alistair says "he calls himself a mysoginist", the issue with that is that it delegitimises his fans without examining why they follow him. There's a complex issue at the heart of Tate's popularity. He probably belongs in prison himself, but the people who are inspired by his unapologetic vision of masculinity do need to be taken seriously and given better alternatives
@@GlasPthalocyanine that's an interesting example. I have two responses, one, the Blair era "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" approach - when riots happen it's perfectly fine to arrest people for criminal damage etc, but we should probably also seek to understand why those people were disenfranchised enough that they wanted to riot in the first place and find ways to bring them in to society.
Two, rioters and people who follow someone on social media aren't the same thing. Tate himself is a very objectionable man (and probably a criminal) but the people who are inspired by him, or who look to him for validation, are generally vulnerable young men who feel excluded. His rise is facilitated by social media, but the ground is fertile because of the way young men feel about masculinity and its place in the modern world. That's what needs to be addressed with seriousness
@@henryclifford1247 there is no "new gender settlement" because we have never experienced "feminism". In the UK, we've always had a particularly nasty strain of "ladyism" that's only ever been preoccupied with middle-class girls who get to University. The problem is (and always has been) what to do with the least educated, most aggressive men and their expectations of what they "deserve". Most people wake up every morning with a settled idea of their status in the world that's defined by their entitlement to kick someone else around if they're having a bad day. That's always included women and children. We have laws now to prevent people lashing out at different racial groups. It's also illegal to lash out at the family pets. So, now they turn their attention back to women and kids, until Social Services get involved, and take away the kids? Well there's a surprise! There will always be men with "mommy issues" or general "woman haters". What we used to have as a society were Male only spaces to contain these men, keeping them away from mainstream society, public spaces, and particularly from families. They no longer have the Police Force, the Military, Politics, and Male only religious orders went out of fashion for other reasons. That just leaves the Psychiatric hospitals, the Prison system, and a few pubs and betting shops, which isn't satisfactory. Back in the 80s and 90s, we used to survey the newsagents' top shelves across sections of cities from the suburbs into the inner cities. The implied violence of the "jazz mags" always increased proportionally with levels of poverty and deprivation. So, that's a class issue - isn't it? Or at least an education problem? As I've said before, stop blaming women for all society's ills. Women don't exist to take up the slack for the most inadequate men. You can't hold back 50% of the population to make the other half feel better.
Ah... a dog's life... You wouldn't wish it on anybody. ;)
Alastair that's a really dangerous attitude I think - the *problem* that women face is the attitudes held by many young men which are being monetised and amplified by people like Farage, Trump and Tate. There *absolutely* needs to be a Minister for Men specifically to work with the Minister for Women & Equalities to combat this kind of radicalisation of young men. And yes women are absolutely vastly disadvantaged by the patriarchy than men- but it harms men too and the fact that women face huge challenges doesn't mean that poor educational attainment, parental rights and suicide among men don't deserve any kind of attention or thought. I think Starmer's cross-civil service model for mission-led government would absolutely allow for this kind of mission-led post. But then it depends whether it's politically viable. Your saying there is no need for a Minister for Men will *itself* be weaponised by these misogynist populist grifters.
Thank goodness for a bit more balance from Rory on China. We swallow American propaganda at our peril. Their interests are different from ours.
Think you have forgotten but China is a dictatorship which is currently systematically putting it's Huiga population in re education camps. American Rhetoric is actually very constrained in considering that nature of the Chinee regime.'
American shootings in that country kill 40,000 a year at least half of which are not suicides.
Wake up Margaret
Wide awake, thanks as are the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, Afghanis etc who have been subjected to American 'restraint'
@@bernardfox9078 Perhaps we should examine the US and UK's treatment of Muslims before we lecture others.
you are the best program on any platform, and now after the doggie participation I love you even more!!
What a great show I never miss it love your insights it makes me much smarter every episode.😊
Rory doing everyone’s job for us. We are just here for Eddie and her commentary on the world. That is true x
More Eddie in the subsequent episodes, please
It's been great watching Eddy/Eddie asleep :-) Great episode as always. For Rory - I think most of us are sadly aware of Andrew Tate (I'm a parent of older teens). Also for Rory - I think "planning" may be a less divisive word than "plotting" when talking about the Just Stop Oil protesters - thank you both for your feelings about their punishment. I don't think locking them up is really a deterrent - it's just made me angry enough to take action when getting locked up would no longer be a problem with my children taking GCSEs and A-Levels. I'm sure I won't be the only one!
That bed makes we want to fall asleep in my chair - looks so comfy.
Waiting for Eddie to confirm she is standing in the Tory leadership contest...
Cold War doesn't mean zero trade. Even with the Soviet Block there was a significant amount of trade during the real Cold War, just not total free trade and not all categories of goods.
The ongoing debate between pro-imperialism and anti-imperialism is heating up. Most countries, except England, want America to be great again, reflecting various political and economic influences on today's global relations.
I have to say that this is one of my new favourite podcasts. I tend to avoid current affairs shoes because of how partial they seem to be, this show is fair and thoughtful.
Love this channel but the VPN ad is so cringey. Shame they have to do that.
In Europe, for many years, the dominant idea was: We are not allies of China, but we can do business with them. Now, we are seeing that we cannot separate geopolitics from economics in our relationships with China or Russia...
Many SEA nations have proved otherwise so maybe it is just a EU and US issue that cant separate politics and economics.
Correct, this was obvious the whole time. US & EU are the world's two most powerful states, they both guard the world's hope for worldwide democracy. it's up to both the EU & US to make sure Dictatorships don't gain control of world affairs.
Democracy means billions of people control their future
Dictatorships mean a handful of criminals control the world.
Dictatorships are it off luck thankfully
@@Soshiaircon91They havent proven anything and especially nothing relevant to Europe. Europe is almost more different than SEA nations than it is China economically.
This was always a fairy tale european leaders told themselves. They didn’t want to have to choose because they didn’t want to confront reality. Frankly - Europe still continues to deny reality.
Eddie was the star of this episode ❤
Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, William Burns, published an article referring to “the United States principal rivals" as "China and Russia”, while emphasizing that “China is the bigger long-term threat." As a result, Burns has doubled the agency's China budget.
The article (for reference) is titled 'Spycraft and Statecraft: Transforming the CIA for an Age of Competition' and was published in the April 2024 edition of Foreign Affairs Magazine (retrievable with a quick online search).
Rory fully enjoying the use of the word "hawkish" 🦅🙂
A propos the prison sentences for the Stop Oil protesters: I felt to start with that the sentences were wrong, but I have read the judge’s comments (in a video put up by a certain barrister). He refers to the previous protest over the Queen Elizabeth Bridge on the M25 and lists the wasted hours, the costs of policing the event, the missed flights and appointments (some of which had serious repercussions) and points out that this group was trying to enlist a large number of volunteers to climb the gantries, and offering them training sessions. I think the majority of people whose daily lives are interrupted by protests feel anger and frustration and it is the big corporations that should be held to account. I agree much has to be done, but I cannot condone the way these protesters carry out their protests.
Trying to disrupt a major motorway puts lives at risk (think massive pile up), forget people driving to work / school etc, that's a hinderance ... but messing around in the traffic is enormously dangerous.
Gen Zed. Gentlemen, please.
Europe should confront America
Interesting that we went from TikTok organised unrest in Africa to US-China relations without getting into the long term power struggles, between the super powers, for control/influence of African nations' resources.
It would be interesting to hear you both dive into that topic but I understand if it's outside the scope of this podcast.
If you want to look more into the effect of social media in general I would recommend looking at “bots” ie fake accounts, on Twitter, particularly Russian bots pretending to be Americans. Very interesting topic
Agree. China’s interests in stability is both economical and psychological. Just remember the Cultural Revolution brought ten years of chaotic hell and it was still vivid memory in many people’s mind. The last thing the people would want is another round of chaos. Not only the ordinary people do not want it, CPC would not want it as that would lead to CPC’s demise. This is also why maintaining social stability domestically has be a top priority for many years. Even though people hated the government’s paternalist approach, few would dispute that the long term stability was the backbone to China’s prosperity.
The sentences for the Just Stop Oil individuals is outrageous. There are violent and sex offenders who go to prison for far less time, or don't even go at all. Disgusting and disgraceful.
This is only the sentencing for the first crime, having been arrested again and again. Hopefully this will do something to reprimand them, otherwise the punishments will be considered part of the cost of doing business
It's clear as day whose interests are being served.
@@rrecee2639 people trying to drive to work?
Going to? Here in Asia the US and China have been in a Cold War since 2016. You've been too busy with Brexit and other issues to notice..
Naa! Its you , america is containi g china with 30 military bases , as americas empire is crumbling like Rubble. Why coz china economy smashes america.
I'm quite disappointed by Alister's characterisation of Andrew Tate. The guy markets himself as a pickup artist and alternative figure of masculinity (not a TikTok comedian).
This brushing under the carpet of his ideas and the focus on the impact only being what men are doing to women is exactly the rhetoric that pushes young men into such ideologies and my definition is toxic masculinity...
I abhor Tate and his message but not realising his narrative of :
"well men's issues are ignored or only viewed from a feminists perspective, so use your social power to take what you want"
is a problem made worse by not addressing it.
Id challenge this thinking , maby in a world where Mens mental health and suicide are such big issues a Mens minister would be a idea...
He doesn't deal with "men's issues". He deals with *some issues* for *some men*.
Love that cut back from Rory to Alistair and the dog has rolled onto its back 😂 so reminds me of my dog who is an older, fatter version.
You pronounced Z wrong
Another great discussion very informative.
I thought that was his Teddy!! What a sweet ❤…..
I lived in China for twenty years. Under Jiang? Not so good, but okay. Under Hu? We had a real opportunity there, or rather China did, before the hardliners made him a lame duck President for most of his term. But under Xi? Because that's who we're talking about here. China, like Russia, is a palimpsest, and just as it's pointless referring to 'Russia' without reference to Putin, so it's pointless thinking about 'China' without thinking about Xi. Yes, Xi DOES deserve America's fixation... and ours. His is NOT a status quo power beyond the way, say, a bank robber believes in the status quo of the banking system given he relies upon its existence for his success. Xi plays the system in so many ways and, in doing so, quite deliberately perverts it. Sure, he doesn't want to wreck it altogether, but that doesn't make China as it currently stands a 'status quo' power. Rather it is a subversive power, and if given too much rope will prove as damaging to the world order as any wrecker, perhaps more so. Unfortunately, in our own mishandling of that world order, Xi will find many an ally - particularly in the global south - in that subversion.
I ran this word salad through AI - here's a shorter approximation for anyone who can't be chewed to read it.
I lived in China for twenty years. Under Jiang, things were okay. Under Hu, there was potential, but hardliners limited his power. Under Xi, China is heavily influenced by him, similar to how Russia is by Putin. Xi manipulates the system, making China a subversive power rather than a status quo one. This could be very damaging to the world order, especially with allies in the global south.
To be fair, NATO often have military exercises close to Russia, the one in 83 nearly started a war
I'm still here for the dog. I'm sure you're both right about things though.
Totally believe every thing Campbell says a man of integrity 😵💫😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😪
The whole reason that influencers like Tate are so popular is because they represent the double standard that exist as to boys and girls finding empowering role models.
With the societal shift towards equality between genders, there emerged an abundance of female role models. Whilst many of these role models were positive figures, a significant number were extremely negative and derogatory towards men. Sentiments like “I don’t need a man”, which initially started as positive female empowerment, normalising a woman not needing to be in a relationship with a man in order to have a successful and meaningful life, devolved into the denouncing of men, and saying that men as a gender were useless. This sentiment has become pretty mainstream, and it’s exceedingly common to see and hear targeted attacks towards men hidden as the empowering of women.
At the same time as negative influencers of women came to prominence, the traditional role models of men were cut down. Some of these were rightfully denounced and cut out, but many positive depictions of men as competent,, determined and brave individuals were replaced with the opposite. Women’s role models were allowed to denounce and tear down the sacrifice of men, whilst the positive role models for men were removed, and any appeal against this is denounced as misogynistic bigotry.
In order to fill the vacuum, men looked for the voices that still existed. Enter Andrew Tate, who preached a more extreme lifestyle of conquest and indulgence, but back with being hyper successful. Without the traditional ideas of providing and protecting being available, of course young men who feel oppressed by the prominent voice of female empowerment, and it’s hijacking by those who put down and demean men, would gravitate towards him.
Andrew Tate only exists because the moderate ideas of masculinity were erased from existence by the malicious, misandrist voices within the female empowerment movement.
Just love the hammy adverts darlings.
The likes of tate have filed a void society has failed to fill.
I dont understand Alister take that the solution is not to put resources into addressing this at the source.
Please consider a different sponser. VPNs are bloatware for most of your audience.
Aren't most advertisers? Most people do not need to buy a new mattress this week, or whatever.
My point is specifically about VPNs, which are routinely mis sold via podcast advertisments.
why do we have to be dependent on the usa for defence? we could do it ourselves.
You should try and get Kevin Rudd on to discuss China!!
You should even wary more about China than North Korea and Russia.
China has money, and military supplies .
and is vastly more important to western economies.
Rory and Alastair plugging NordVPN? I think it cheapens your channel.
You have much to offer the world which would be paid for, I’m not sure why you need to have commercial plugs. Do you not think it lowers the tone?
And I speak as a startup founder. Not anti-business at all.
Later in 2003, commenting on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Campbell said, "Come on, you don't seriously think we won't find anything?".
You should get Robin Niblett on, he’s the chairman of Chatham house and just wrote a very interesting book on this exact topic.
Last time I heard you mention Wales you called the Welsh Parliament an Assembly, which it stopped being in 2020.
Now no mention of Welsh Labour's new female leader, who is likely to be First Minister within a fortnight.
If there's a rise in violence against women and girls then men do need help, attention, liberation, and perhaps a minister.
I work with plenty of Chinese people in the UK and I've always found them to be amiable, industrious, generous of spirit, and very much more person-and-family-focused compared to Westerners. The Chinese find the West's obsession with competition and independence baffling compared to their own cultural upbringing.
@@alexanderprice6612 Every Chinese student I went to uni with could barely speak English, and took their course notes in Chinese. Yet they always got amazing results.
@@enemywithin1295 they get good results because they tend to be the only ones you'll find in the library going through the reading list. The UK students are rarely as diligent, sadly. All part of our British anti-intellectual culture that discourages most people trying to better themselves.
What's so baffling about it?
Unfortunatly I made less good experiences when I met Chinese students at university.
Yes they sat long hours in the library, but they were also the people who hid of vandalized books to make them unavailable to their "competition".
Utterly useless in groupworks because preoccupied in battling their fellow groupmembers then striving to a common goal.
In my experience Chinese students are hyper individualistic and hyper competitive up to complete uselessness.
@@tomhavenith2330 "Unfortunatly I made less good experiences" you can't even write basic English sentences or spell correctly so I doubt you were much use in university groupwork. Feels like a 'you' problem.
Where are the show notes? They’re always mentioned but I can’t find them
Click on "more" under the description. When the script drops down, click on the next "more".
7:45 “Biden didn’t follow through” but also “China isn’t dangerous and America takes it too seriously!!”
There is much much more to tell about Kenya.
Alastair, what a melt.
The dog behind Alastair is unnervingly immobile.
Dogs are like their owners
He keeps his pyjamas in it - can’t you see the zip ?
I have a Ruby Charlie too and he is an Olympic level sleeper. Though mine also snores. A lot.
fab discussion. Thanks
I think its as simple as some young men will always turn to extreme patriarchy because it benefits them. Not sure how to get around that
Heard someone say Campbell should be in prison
JSO has crossed the line. So I agree with the long jail time.
Rory’s a QT
With regard to lumping China in with Russia/Iran/North Korea etc, I mean, did we not have a similar position on Russia prior to February 2022? Yes sure they're a repressive authoritarian regime, yes sure they're making noises of displeasure about the global order, yes sure they're happy to sow discontent among our democracies, but they do a lot of business with us, their economy is intertwined with ours, surely they wouldn't want to do something destabilising to their position like invading a neighbouring country and losing trillions in western business?
We need to stop trying to understand authoritarian regimes as if they're capitalist democracies. The economy is not their win condition like it might be for us. It's just a means to an end for them. Once they've amassed enough wealth and political capital they will move on to what their actual goal is, which usually involves the destabilisation of the western liberal capitalist model.
I don't think, as Rory puts it, this is a particularly American analysis. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, we shifted towards a unipolar world. There are those that are happy with it, and those that aren't. We're not going to talk Putin or Xi into coming round to the idea that maybe free and fair elections and a moderately regulated economy are a good idea, it doesn't matter how much business we do with them. They are ideologically opposed to it, they don't even believe we believe in it, and they intend to put that to the test one way or another. I think it might be hard for modern western technocrats to understand that whilst these characters might appear pragmatic on the surface they are deeply ideological and are willing to make decisions no western leader would ever consider.
When Putin was amassing forces on the Ukrainian border we all talked as if he was playing silly buggers again and there's no way he'd actually do anything outrageous, because it would be enormously stupid as far as we could tell. Then he did it. And it was enormously stupid, in the sense that they literally lacked the means to perform the invasion, and also the economic, social and humanitarian consequences that befell Russia as a result were (and continue to be) horrendous. But for Putin specifically, it was not just smart, it was a necessary move to maintain (and possibly expand) his political power, both at home and abroad in a direction he believes he needs to. It was strategically important to him to throw three decades of improved international relations under the bus and destabilise both his and everyone else's economy. *That* is what matters to these regimes.
Sooner or later, the internal Chinese rhetoric about Taiwan is going to force Xi to act, to maintain political credibility and to project power, and it won't be the bungled job the Ukrainian invasion was. The economics of it won't matter that much to them. It doesn't do us any favours now to have faith that they're not like the other authoritarian regimes, and they'll play nice with western capitalism forever. Just look at Hong Kong.
Couldn't agree more.
Jesus man talk about hitting the nail in the head, good one!
Everything you wrote read like a propaganda. The enemy to liberal capitalist model is the West itself. The West used to be the beacon of hope for the rest of the world where anyone can be anyone but nowadays it is about being politically correct. “Racism” comedy used to be the cure for racism where everyone poke fun at everyone but now everyone is slowly becoming racist due to the political climate. It feels like liberal honey moon period has ended or someone is ending it on purpose, I am not even sure if the secret intelligence agency know as well because how does one really manage the agency such as CIa Mi6 before it grows too big and nasty?
you don’t know what you are talking about. You need to set you foot on China to see it for yourself and stop just feeding on media propaganda.
You are so wrong on everything.
Yet another victim of the media lies.
What a bunch of nonsense..
It's very clear that the West has no understanding of China and that's exactly why China is winning so easily.. china and Chinese know everything about the West, everything!
We actually take the time to listen to what you have to say, we study you by listening to you..
Westerners however never do this. They don't watch Chinese media, they can't speak Chinese, you never watch Chinese people or China...
All your info about China, you get it from your lying Western media ..
It's like learning about Iran, but you get all your info from Israel and the US ..😂🤣 How much are you really going to learn about Iran? Nothing, absolutely nothing!
You seem to believe that your view of the world is right and China and Russia are wrong they are bad guys, oppose to the West who are good guys...🤣😂
Are you aware that the majority of the world supports China and Russia?
They don't look at China or Russia as the bad guys, they see the West as the bad guys ..
Keep in mind, the West is only 13% of the world population.
Are you aware why 80% of the world sees the West as the enemy and not China or Russia?
Are you aware, your country is supporting and enabling a g no. Cide?
And yet you people still believe you have the moral high ground and are in a position to lecture others?
Pathetic..
The world are no fools, they remember all the crimes your nation has committed, victims dont easily forget what was done to them..
But people like you easily forget about the crimes of your nation and procede to point fingers at others, give them lectures about morality...😂🤡
We call people like that hypocrites and we like to avoid these kind of people...
I think Alistair's dog is broken!
Sorry AC, but thats pretty disgusting and you should be ashamed. To think that you would admit to having not seen Absolutely Fabulous and just pass it off as acceptable or in any way excusable is horrendous. I think you should strongly consider taking yourself off the air and retiring from public appointments immediately.
Kids do not need to be driven to school, unless they live in a very remote area.
Let's not overcook it Rory brilliant 😄
In Norway the data show that male youth have challenges meeting requirements at school . They are “loosing “ out to girls , especially the ones with immigrant background . This may explain part of the issues ala Tate , alltghough he clearly represent the problem ands not the solution . When I Lived in Russia I observed a much better City planning then in Norway (and England) . I wonder how improved city planning with requirements for training facilities , parks , lakes etc would improve all these challenges ?
Sage, measured comments on China from RS
Have to disagree with Rory's view of the classification of China. Sure they are different from the others, but only in so much as they are not yet ready to fully reveal themselves as antagonists. I am all for dialogue and diplomacy, but we need to be aware of the relationships they are forging and the chess pieces they are moving into place. It would be prudent to gradually decouple ourselves from them economically, like we are hopefully in the process of doing with Russia. This will of course be resisted heavily by those with business relationships in China (almost everyone) and they will likely scare consumers with the additional rise in costs... sadly though, it is a necessary evil at this point... otherwise we really will sleepwalk into a conflict and one where our supply chains could be cut.
As Rory did mention though, Europe offers great economic opportunities if we can work together. And all other similar democracies around the globe.
In Kenya, and more and more in other countries - younger people are sick of the people who have preceded them. People born before the 1980's have been responsible for so much damage and suffering in the world #outwiththeold
So not 2 minutes in and I hope you will speak about the role of the IMF and was the Arab spring a success?
6:12. The China question.
I think Germany and much of Europe thought Russia had "a real vested interest in stability" because it was expected that they would not want to lose out on energy sales, but Russia thought otherwise (that they held the power to do what they wanted in Ukraine because they had the energy Europe was dependent on). So I think it might be a mistake to think China has "a real vested interest in stability", because Xi might feel similarly empowered by European and American dependency on all that's traded between them. And in some ways it is worse (China may feel emboldened) because China can overwhelm the US and Europe in shipbuilding and anything else required to make war.
I've just had to come from the podcast to see this dog 😂
Empire Of lies Has Fallen .. .
Time stamps would be good guys, for those who want to skip to a particular topic.
Don’t usually comment on UA-cam videos but very poor from Alistair around men and young men. Hopefully they read the comments and address it in a future podcast. I also hope it isn’t tagged on at the end in a 5 minute discussion but is an actual video topic.