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As 99th place in your video I have suggestions: HT off boosts score in PR specifically, I repasted my card because the stock paste on the suprim liquid X sucked at least on mine, make sure ECC is off, use a stripped windows 10. Feel free to flash over 600w bioses aswell, the cable is specced for 600w but in reality it can do a lot more than this, especially since it's such a short duration it won't have time to heat up (assuming it's seated correctly). You can also force rebar on for PR via Nvidia inspector for more score.
Hope this helps :)
replying so this gets more attention hopefully. That's some great advice!
ROUND 2!
if he gonna use windows 10 it will help a lot o think
@@mertaydemir7898stripped win 11 vs stripped win 10 doesn't really matter. But I'm guessing there is at least 100 to 150 points to be had with a good windows
Also replying because people don’t seem to know that ECC can be disabled or enabled on the 4090.
You can run the memory too fast but not crashing. GDDR6X has a limited form of error correction and you can get it to a point that there are so many errors happening that the memory is effectively performing slower than at a lower clock rate.
FFS. The 4090 has this disabled by default. You can enable it in nvidia control panel but it’s disabled by default so that is not the factor here
@@mikezappulla4092 There's a toggle to disable the PAM4 error correction? Doesn't make much sense.
@@mikezappulla4092You can't disable the error correction. It's on a hardware level
Edit after some research: As expected the setting has no impact on single bit errors you'll find in games or "game like" benchmarks which get automatically corrected on a hardware level. The option is intended for AI or large renders
@mikezappulla4092 I'd like to see where in the NCP has that setting, because I've been through every setting and haven't found it
@@GregoryShtevensh It's "Change ECC State" under 3D Settings. ECC on the 4090 is disabled by default. You really should only turn it on if you're running critical calculation workloads through the card. Otherwise, the overhead isn't worth it just for gaming.
Jay: "To see if it's an eleven-hundred volt...."
Nvidia engineers: "Write that down! Write that down!"
The OC results are gonna be fire!
With 1000x the power a score of 30,000,000 is plausible.
So what you're saying is that the 5090 will require a flux capacitor to run? Gonna generate so many frames, but sadly the connector will get so hot your PC will be it's own volcano! Hopefully you'll hit 88fps before that happens, so you can go have fun with your one-way time trip! ;)
how to turn your computer into a fusion reactor
that is a based reference@@MD2389
Super happy to hear the EVGA not-4090 has a daily use. Even after the next gen cards come out I hope it has a daily use.
I did wish EVGA went to Intel and gave them a much needed hand.
@@cdmarshall7448 same i like that idea yes i do. 😉
@@cdmarshall7448what hand? Intel needs better drivers, not a better PCB and cooler. EVGA is not the company with the expertise. And they can tarnish themselves in the process by selling GPU with hit or miss game/software compatibility.
Jay dropping the f bomb saying "if you put your finger in there you fing deserve it"
Proceeds to instinctually put his finger in the death machine.
Lol that was the best
I think Phil forgot to censor a few words in this one, I'm fine with it though.
Sometimes it’s called for.
I still can't get over it. It's like hearing your dad or mom curse for the first time as a kid. It's cool but also in shock. Yes I know he says other words and censors them but I laughed out loud on that one!
One useful thing I found with the stronger fans, if you break out the power pins from sata, you can still connect tacho and PWM wires to motherboard, as long as they're fed from the same PSU, and you won't cook the header.
GDDR6X can start to negative scale at some point since it corrects errors in real time. Push frequency too much and you lose score.
On Jay's video RTX 3080 Overclocking... Holy S@&T at 14:49 he shows this using heaven benchmark.
He must have forgot.
The 4090’s have ECC disabled by default. You would have to turn that on for it to have that effect. If you have ever used a 4090 you will find this in the nvidia control panel.
thats not what that means @@mikezappulla4092
For rtx4000 ECC is disabled by default unlike rtx3000 where it's enabled
@@mikezappulla4092 Oh wow okay I did not know that. Interesting!
MSI saw the failures coming, probably spoke to NVIDIA and was given the Finger. MSI chose to fulfill their running Contracts with NVIDIA and that's it. MSI has the last laugh.
MSi definitely didn't want to be held responsible for Nvidia screw up
@@cnvdh3514 Indeed. MSI are more than capable of screwing up themselves lol.
@@TalesOfWar My MSI 1070 and 2070 super have held up fine.
i actually have the gaming x trio and oc it every day at 1000 on mem and core @ 2950 and never had issues had the card now for 3 months and barely hit 450 wats while gaming so this makes me happy to see XD
Really doubt 600w is an issue. Been running on 600w vbios @ 3000+ mhz and 1500 mhz on mem since last fall on the stock 4 8 pin to 16 pin without issue. The problem people were having was not seating the cable properly aka bad contact.
Competitive overclocking is so wild to me. At least he’s getting back into it when there are graphics cards to be had.
For a protective cover, Take a trip to Home Depot or Lowes or Menards, look through the various wire mess products spread around the store for various purposes.
Maybe even fit it to a wall vent cover.
"Ask me how I know." No Jay, the pain and frustration was very visible, we know you know.
@12:05 Im so not used to Jay not editing out curse words haha makes me giggle every time.
Yes please more of these videos. Love this type of content.
This new test bench setup looks really good - get to see everything all in one view without really having to move the camera around for better shots.
need more races to the top! the rip jay/gn/paul series' were so fun!!!!!
You should try putting the high RPM fans on the back to pull air, anything over 2k rpm will pull air with better cooling results than forcing air and having blow back, I only recommend because I tried this very thing with the same fans on a EVGA 3080 FTW3 hybrid and got better results when switched to pulling lol and man are they loud !
Sound like it's probably fan model dependent, but that's interesting. Thanks.
I love these kinds of videos, it really takes me back
I know it would involve taking apart your home system, but you have a Strix 4090 with a waterblock on it which would perform better than any AIO card.
In the build video, you also said you had an active backplate (which you chose not to use) that would likely help when pushing the card to this extent, even if just by providing more consistent temps across the PCB.
@jayztwocents their is a Windows 11 Lite build you could try that quote "essentially a stripped-down version that contains just the necessary Windows 11 files required to make the OS work" like you mentioned may help get you some extra OC points. Worth a test at least in future video 👍
aka Tiny11
Tiny11, indeed!
Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite is better, been using it for years!
@@Jeff.55649you’ve been using it for years? 😂 Windows 11 hasn’t even been out for two years. I call bullshit 😂😂😂
There are also overclocking focused windows 10 and windows 11 builds for benchmarking that work well.
Oh, I hope Jay really gets back into XOC, it's so much fun to see what he can (.... will) do.
I missed these types of videos
Yaaaa More Clock Wars Please.
I've missed this.
12:04 i was slightly zoned out focusing on my second monitor but hearing jay swear casually immediately brought me back to reality LMAO
Happy to see the OC/XOC videos back! Please keep them up!
Have the exact same card but with 4x EK Vardar fans in push/pull, with the 600watt bios loaded. rock solid with the 125% power limit and 175MHz core OC
12:43 this is why you put delta fans in a pull config with a rad. the rad itself is the finger guard.
well, he does it in push pull config 😂😂😂
Can we get more content like this? I know at least I miss it not sure about others as well. Lets see more sketchy stuff and squeeze out ever last point you can get out of it! I would love to get 4090's and try all sorts of stuff for that but I just don't have the money like other people have to do that.
3 things that'll improve pc score:
1. Set the priority to high or real time to allocate utmost amount of resources.
2. Reduce the monitor to a 1080p or lower for resolution latency when running.
3. Vbios modding to push timings even tighter.
Good points. Definitely want to OC the whole system with OC RAM. Probably a good idea to have a bare-bones Win 11 install too. Also, NV control panel set texture filtering to High Performance and use NV inspector to set Rebar.
Never set the priority to extremes... 'real-time' is a very bad idea as it prioritises things higher than the OS causing major problems, 'high' is also unwise.
Use 'above normal' setting instead as it places your process above everything else, without causing the OS to trip over.
@@battlephenom8508 if you do this it will not log a valid run when adjusting nvidia texture settings it will see the driver level changes.
4. Set texture filtering and mipmap detail in nvidia control panel to high performance, optimizations on. It makes no difference for actual gaming (for big reduction in quality), but can give some points in benchmarks.
Jay, great work on Ahsoka! Baylan Skoll is my new fave character.
In relation to the ad spot:
I'm so ready to see what the BeQuiet Dark Base 701 has compared to the 700. Looking to build a couple PCs using that case.
F Bomb dropped! 12:06 LOL ... Phil forgot to "BEEP" that out... LOL
I missed stuff like this! Always fun to watch so i cant wait for the next vid ^^
You absolutely fucking deserve it lol. Don't ever change Jay
"If anyone puts their finger in that, you fucking deserve it!" That's gold, Jay.
These are the type of videos I love ❤️
Get the ln2!
I'd love to see you do LN2 and voltage manipulation for leaderboard push pretty plsss!
I'd love to see more AC-cooling benchmark shenanigans.
Sweary Jay, fecking love it.
I believe you may need to tune your system RAM my friend. low latency makes a huge diff - i have 3dMark platform records for this system and the only thing extraordinary is my RAM latency, its not even high clock
That's how I got 2nd Physics/CPU and 10th overall for 4790k/5700xt in Firestrike 3 or 4 Years ago, I didn't get in the top 100 until I upgraded the Memory and tinkered with the overclock a bit. Games felt a lot smoother, like my .1/1% lows increased noticably, but that might have just been placebo/wishful thinking after an upgrade.
@@Chaos_God_of_Fate 1600AF/6700XT is a lot easier to get a record, but its currently 1st in Firestrike extreme, 3rd in Port Royal, 6th in Timespy Extreme.
Machine is so stock its even using a Wraith Prism. Its interesting to see how many higher clocked machines get lower scores.
***Try using Tiny 10 or Tiny 11 - for a cut down version of Windows, it only runs the absolute bare minimum processes*** Also, I agree on stick the rad in bucket of ice water with a small circulation pump in the bucket pointed at the rad.
we need a second part, if you're able too
Jay and Team, I know there have been updates to 3D Mark, so it possible that they fixed a bug that allowed slightly higher score? You could also check this by seeing what scores people have been posting recently and compare to older scores.
Here is what I would love to see tried.
They are promising us a gnarly winter this year. An open bench out on the deck. Overclocked just on air when the temps drop below 0F.
I did some googling and found a vid from several years ago of a guy doing it in Canada with a threadripper. But he only did cinebench testing. I bet GPU benchmarks would have been wild.
Jay always seems so hyped when doing OC vids…personally I love them. I don’t get why ppl hate on the XOC content
Ahh classic overclocking content hits me back 2015, da good sht
yesssss, these are the videos i love so much
I would love to see more of this content
i think the top score is on chilled water w/ shunt mods, it was a yolo send it run and the card no longer turns on (assuming it has not changed)
it did pull over 1000 watts (using the volt mod tool tool talks to the controller, maybe there was no shut mods, i do not recall)
dont give up. I love this kind of video. Keep going 🙂
What if you tried cross flashing the EVGA Not 4090 with a bios from another manufacturer? if its bios based instability and not the hardware itself it could make it stable and a viable option. Granted idk if it still works with 40 series, but I've tried MSI and Gigabyte Bios' on my EVGA 2080 Ti
I love jank mods. The finger chopper 1000 is awesome, I hope we see more of it lol.
Someone forgot the bleeps! Haha this is the first time I’ve heard Jay’s potty mouth. I love it.
Hey Jay, have you ever considered extreme overclocking a super lowend card for the lols? Somethibg like a GF220 and just trying to get some funny numbers out of it sounds like fun. It’ll prolly cost you next to nothing in hardware either
I'm totally down for another session of RIPJAY and RIPGN!
maybe soldering a cable in, could get you around the connector problem and allows you to push more volts.
Please do more of these videos!
built my nephews dual rad setup w sandwiched push pull fans just like this and it came out clean holds 34 c a yr later w a pretty heavy OC . Nice this is the 1st comparable setup ive seen!
You can put a 600w bios on the msi. The 4090 bioseses are all interchangeable.
Fans with the center cut out... GENIUS!!! Mind blown LOL
My favorite kind of video from J2C
LOL. "The back plate is hot. We need to cool it." Previously "The active back plate doesn't really do any thing to matter"
Get a big bucket and a couple of pond pumps, fill the bucket with ice water, put the radiator in the ice water and point the pond pumps at them. You'll get cooling way above anything you'll get with air. if the water starts warming up, just add more ice.
GDDR6X has ECC. go into the Nvida drivers and disable ECC mode. then reboot the PC. now with ECC off slowly raise your Memory speeds till it starts artifacting. now you willl know the limit. then turn ECC back on before doing running the Port Royal test.
Time for Windows lite! and a proper full coverage 4090 waterblock and instead of radiator just flow mains water (waaay more flow than a pump) though it for bench runs.
Use a CO2 duster to super chill the radiator before you start a run and keep it chilled while running your pass.
Never thought of that, simple yet effective im sure.. i wonder if dry ice would work if it was surrounded somehow intaking that precious cold air. Build a rad in a cooler full of dry ice, lol
@fellowshipoftheaviatorz4598 gotta be careful with dry ice, the Co2 can kill quickly if the area is poorly ventilated
With that much air blowing, I doubt an inverted duster can would have any effect.
A bin of dry ice mounted above Jay's fan/rad combo to get the air temp down to about 0 is where I'd go next.
It depends on Nvidia drivers. You should search for best drivers to run 3dmark
Use a higher end full coverage waterblock, custom loop, and go stupidly big on radiator. See if you can run same test on a stripped-down custom Linux install.
U don't suck - much love Jay!
Hey Jay, if you're going for the lols, you might as well get a pair of San-Ace (Sanyo Denki) 9LG or 9WV at Mouser, one of the model has 200CFM and it on usual 12V PWM for some reason.
When Jay says "1v1 me bro". He either means in CSGO or in an overclocking battle.
12:05 It is so rare to hear Jay curse, it is almost very often blipped.
Also, didn't Jay figure out before that memory speed affects the performance score in 3DMark more than core speed for RTX 30 series? But I might not be remembering correctly.
EDIT: Oh right this is 40 series. I've lost track, so many GPUs.
Power is drawn, not pushed, so if a fan requests more power than the header is specced for, it absolutely WILL burn out the header.
That is how you trip a power breaker in your house, they exist to stop your house burning down, and are not present on motherboards (afaik)
Hi Jay,
at 17:53, we can see that on their profile that they used Windows 10 instead of Windows 11. There could be some differences there between the benchmark and the OS that's keeping away from achieving your score :).
the difference between 10 and 11 is mainly graphical. what's the same between stock 10/11 builds is the large amounts of useless processes running, so either way it should be worth ~800pts just stripping the OS back, and the difference between 10 and 11 is probably within margin of error. you'd get more from driver version tuning anyway, despite getting maybe 30-40pts at most.
THANK YOU for 12:05
Can anyone please explain why my 3090 memory junction temps are now always stuck showing at 94c after water cooling plus active backplate? 94c on idle and 94c when running high OC gaming for hours, what’s going on..?
You of all people should know about OCing VRAM. Once you push it too far it'll still work but ECC kills your gains. Goes for anything, AMD, Ngreedia etc.
I’m not sure why but I kinda appreciate the lack of bleeping out Jay cussing these days. Lol
Really funny hearing you drop the "F" bomb... (12:05)
this is the quality content we all wanted to see! 👍
Make sure you have any kind of VRR disabled in the driver AND in the screen AND reboot when you disabled it.
For a few days, I had the top 1 spot in Wildlife Extreme. iPhone SE. A13. It was -10 celsius ambient winter
I have a Gaming X Trio with the Suprim 520w bios. Which is plenty. I never need more than that. Usually most games need around 400-450w
"Ironically I don't really have a lot of 4090's lying around" I only have 3 just sitting here doing nothing.
Jay, 3 is a lot.
3:24 "didn't blow up their STUFF" lol
Here I Brazil some overclockers are swaping some capcotors for more uf to try keep the overclock stable for more time
Love these overclocking adventures! But I think your bleeper broke.
Lolz... death fans... that was great. This is some good stuff - love it.
They are flashing the v bios with the HOF 666w bios
Still love the look of that card, so good.
That VRAM is ECC, you can crank the clock speed but performance will tank when it starts correcting errors
there is dry ice shenanigans going on there jay you got to do the dry ice test with the stuff.
This was fun Jay. It's been too long. Great to see you back at climbing the leaderboard. Plus I get to learn stuff like NOT sticking my fingers in that goddamn fan 😂 😂
as long as its not delta 5000rpm itll be fine
atleast you can get some shredded meat to taste, if you do decided to stick it in@@iikatinggangsengii2471
I enjoy how the cyborg skin just refuses outright to range its analog gauges for modern speeds.
Oh yes, please put 1100 volts into it!!!!
The Jayz Two Cents answer to Electroboom!!!!
My Suprim melted, and I saw plenty of others, but it was all because of the cablemod adapter. (Version 1, not 2)
TBH, it was only at launch did I see any cables melt, and that was down to not pushed in, and people trying to make a 4090 fit in a case that was too small (tight bend)
It's been a long time since I saw a cable melt, but I have seen 100s of adapters melt.
I wish I had a EVGA 4090 :( I went with the PNY and by all means its a fantastic card. But from going with EVGA for every video card I've owned to now having to go with a different brand sucks.
lol serioulsy? you wish you had a card that didnt exxsist? EVGA didnt put out a retail 4090 nor any 40 series, lol what you talking about willis
@@skylarmorehead9883 there were (if im not mistaken) 2 EVGA 4090s made. They were a concept card and Jay has one. I was talking about wanting one of those cards AND how it sucks that i had to find another brand to go with after buying EVGA for so long.
"I don't have a lot of 4090s laying around."
What a coincidence! Neither do I.
I missed these videos!!!
I DUCKING LOVE THESE VIDEOS PLZ MORE EXTREAM OC THE BEST VIDEOS ARE YOU AND STEAVE GOING BACK AND FORTH
maybe use the frequency curve to push higher clocks at higher voltages?