Man, the more I watch these videos, the more I'm convinced we had the same childhood lol. Spider-Man and video games were my two biggest loves as well. And I adored Spyro and Ratchet and Clank. Insomniac were unstoppable back then. I'd love to hear you talk about the Ratchet series! Such amazing games and I still return to them from time to time.
Nice to know Web of Shadows is getting some appreciation these days for what it did for combat involving Spider-Man. Especially the Web-Strike. God, it was so fun in that game, being able to just leap frog from enemy to enemy.
Just because a game was the first to implement similar mechanics doesn't mean it lacks originality. Saying that Spiderman ps4 is a ripoff of the Arkham series is like saying Dead Space is a ripoff of Resident Evil 4.
And to be honest, Spiderman implemented the whole combat loop first. You play edge of time and you realize the combat is very much a prototype arkham asylum
The problem with that statement is that, everything the last 3 Spider-Man games have done, not only has been made multiple times, but also done much better. Essentially, these 3 games excel at nothing.
I think Ps4 Spider-Man is special. I have enjoyed almost every SM console game and highlights for me were WOS and USM. But PS4 is head and shoulders above those two for me. WOS especially is hard to revisit, awful dialogue and massively intrusive tutorials made the game an absolute slog at times. I’ve replayed PS4, I think, 4 times and have put in over 100 hours total. It’s the most fun to pick up and play for me. Whether it be for a quick web sling, combat that encourages creativity or the stellar mainline story. It just hits for me.
I see what you're saying but I don't really agree with Spider Man PS4 playing it too safe because the offers a great amount of content like side missions that led to different boss fights outside of the main game or new outfits that are unlocked when completed, collectibles that give a deeper look at this new world for spider man and what he has been through, web swinging that provides interesting interactions with the open world that keeps momentum while also having abilities tricks and analog controls that add to the web swinging momentum, and small details like being able to interact with civilians in different ways. Every open world game has similar fundamentals but that serves as more of a foundation of the genre rather a repetitive element like guns and projectile weapons being used in shooters or combos in fighting games which are all just necessities for the genres they are in but the focus and ingenuity comes down to how to make those aspects interesting and engaging games which Spider Man PS4 already does. The story for this game takes many risks such as giving Peter and Otto a closer relationship that gives more weight to Octavius turning evil, using the sinister six as an opposing force which is not a normal element in a Spider Man game, using a character like Mr Negative who has never been in a Spider Man game before, and killing off Aunt May which no Spider Man has done before among other examples which is why many people are attached to this version of Spider Man and were pleased to see him in the Spider verse movie.
Web of Shadow might be worse than Spiderman ps4, but honestly it had a lot of charm , campy and esgy , but it charm and unique take instead of just being Open World the game , i wish someone gave another go.
The whole Spider-Man being an Arkham game had some pretty valid points if you compare the first game to Arkham. However around miles morales it shown the game is going to a more creative direction with its gameplay and Spider-Man 2 seems to focus on more of doing its own identity.
I appreciate you going outside of your usual audiencies range. Even if this doesnt get as many views as your other vids, this is a fantastic video with a lot of work put into it! Thank you
I kinda disagree in the web swinging being bad. I get your point but I see it as them wanting it to be as accessible to anyone as they can. I think they're trying to answer the "difficulty claims" with the trick system or the newly added fall damage for S2. I think a toggle of "free" vs "guided" would be fine to make it accessible as well as challenging for those who want it. Again different skills are involved and due to the magnitude of the IP it has to be enjoyable for all levels of gamers. For example Ratchet Remake and Spiderman remaster+miles morales showed me that current insomniac's take on difficulty is annoying enemies with heavy guns and heavy armor, and that's it, so that's something I'm not looking forward to because it felt annoying rather than hard in those games. I opted to play Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart on easy with this issue in mind and I enjoyed it way much better than Spiderman and Remake. So as everything, a toggle or having different options could be the wiser way out of this challenge conundrum
God I still remember getting Web of Shadows for my birthday back when I was a kids. i played the heck out of it and I loved just how destructive the symbiote suit was. I also remember the weird feelings Black Cat gave me that I was too innocent to understand back then
Tbh its a very fun game i platinumed it and am now doing ng plus i dont really care how much its like arkham i love the story the gameplay the everything and cant wait for spider man 2
I think this game is like a lot of modern Sony games, only I think it's quite a bit more interesting. It has a very safe plot, a pretty cookie cutter open world and mechanics, and the combat, while interesting since you can do a ton of cool stuff with it like launching enemies, is also pretty simple. But man, when this game was firing on all cylinders it was great. There was nothing quite like flying through the city and running up, down, and across walls. I can only hope they can tighten things up in the sequel, but I also hear Miles Morales trims a lot of fat too which gives me more hope.
Yeah... Web of Shadows is quite special. As janky as it was, first time playing it as a young teen, I was unironically said that the game was the true next gen spidey experience. It blew my mind when I was able to do combat while sticking on the wall. Or how I was actually able to switch the symbiote powers on the fly WITHOUT RESTRICTION. No special meter, no stage specific experience, no long ass switching animation, it's fluidly integrated to gameplay. It left an everlasting impression. So I definitely agree with the sentiment. I really hope Miles Morales is the beginning of Insomniac adding their own flare which will come to fruition in the sequel (hopefully)
I have no doubt that Spider-Man 2 will absolutely deliver on the gameplay front. But I am worried about how they are going to tackle Venom in particular, because outside of his comics (which are great btw) Venom’s record when it comes to adaptations is…very poor (in fact the best Venom adaptation we got in literal years was the midnight suns video game where he’s a dlc character with his own story). And saying that it’s not Eddie is severely disappointing, because a big problem with Venom adaptations is that there’s a misconception that a lot of Venom’s actions are driven by the symbiote when in reality it’s Eddie who’s in control. And tbh the prospect of it possibly being Harry is really lame both in paper and execution (cuz not only is it “my friend is a villain” again, which insomniac already did twice. But Harry 9 times out of 10 isn’t really an interesting enough character to be picked as a symbiote host, he wouldn’t have an interesting dynamic with the symbiote like Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson would)
Fantastic video 🔥 Spider-Man 2 on PS2, Spider-Man 3 on PS3 and Web of Shadows on PS3 both really stood out to me. Web of Shadows had really unique combat and SM3 almost felt like a fighting game because of how crazy fighting could get.
Weird comparison, and I could take this back a few years from now, but that's why I'm not excited for the upcoming show Batman: Caped Crusader. It feels like it's going to be too derivative of what B:TAS did instead of having its own identity like The Batman, Brave and the Bold, or Beware did. It feels too safe.
I thought from the beginning that SM ps4 swinging is very plain. It's kind of a shame that parkour has to be the same button, cause you can't really mix in some rooftop parkour Miles Morales style without completely losing momentum. You also can't wallrun while holding onto a webline like in The Amazing Spider-man movie, which is just one of the many things I can think of that Insomniac didn't But at least they confirmed that SM2 will give us the option of physics based swinging
Hearing you talk about Web of Shadows with so much praise caught me off guard. Its been one of my all time fav games for a while now, if you ever do a review of Spiderman 2 id love to hear you talk more about how it compares to the older spidey games
My problem with this insomniac spiderman is that feels too barebones, there's so many mechanics that older games had and this one doesn't, side building combat, many traversal and web swing skills (for the love of god, they though that dump the entire web swing and FLY was a good addition to the sequel, what's better than skip the entire web swing Right?), dedicated side quest instead of "activities", more enemy diversity, villains Also insomniac dedication to presentation ans realism instead of engaging gameplay,
I’ve played through Marvels Spider-Man and Miles Morales countless times 100%. Even with both platinums something about the games always draw me back in to 100% them again, after I’ve already done it. Hoping 2 grabs me the same way. Love the vids, thank you for the entertainment.
It's too polished , you know ? It's similar to Horizon Zero Dawn , you see a good but safe game that's polished to a fault and don't let any rough edges , but those edge might have been the charm and "soul" those old games had. It's meant to shown a certain experience instead of letting the player have that experience themselves.. Hard to explain but Sony works like that.
So it’s bad for a game to be polished? Isn’t that a good thing also the Arkham games were polished when they came out (at least asylum-knight on consoles were) so does that mean they’re bad?
despite the webswinging being pretty automated and the combat not being crazy, playing Spider-man ps4 for the first time was an amazing experience and i was obsessed with it for months
I don’t replay it because the combat is by-far my least preferred aspect of the game. Whenever I find a goon base, I just swing right past it because my favorite gameplay style, stealth, is ripped from your hands as soon as you take out the first wave. Being stealthy clearly doesn’t matter, as the goons will be alerted to your presence no matter what.
You look at the major sony studios and they're all so depressingly similar Compare them to their past and you immediately notice something Insomniac had spyro and ratchet Santa monica had gow Naughty dog had crash bandicoot and jack and daxter Suckerpunch and sly cooper and infamous But you look at their games now and they all feel so damn safe and repetitive Insomniac still obviously makes ratchet games but they feel like playable pixar movies Santa monica took everything special about gow and removed it to make a character who fits with the other Sony saddy daddies Naughty dog is the leader of this trend, especially with last of us and uncharted, both good series but man, going back to them now isn't fun because you know how they turned every sony exclusive into the same thing Suckerpunch made ghost of Tsushima, while really interesting, still sadly has the same issues as spiderman But spiderman and miles morales were, even if still pretty generic and safe, really fun, I enjoyed them for what they were but again, if you think about how each studio would make a game, insomniac absolutely wouldn't make something this simple Think fromsoft and how they make their games focused on "duel" type combat, or monolith soft and the unbelievable scale of their worlds and combat systems, etc
This game is bad because it has a Spider-Man story. 🤢 everything about the game was bad because of the story! It's not like this was the first game in this series
I can with full honesty agree with your takes. Compared to some of the flawed older Activision era Spider-man games, Insomniac's Spider-man series lacks "spice" or any sort of depth with any of it's combat mechanics, and this is especially true for web swinging. Everything feels very automated and overly cinematic because the developers weren't willing to take any risks that challenged the player.
And that's why I can't understand people who say that Gotham Knights are bad while Spider-Man is a masterpiece when mechanically they are both Arkham clones and play the same.
Would you be interested in doing a review on Spiderman PS4? On an...semi related note, since you did reviews on the Devil May Cry games, how about some other Hack n' Slash type of games, like Ninja Gaiden?
Are you looking forward to Spider-Man 2? That Venom statue is sick.
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My child will purchase a steel book with a download code inside
All I can think of is the ad campaign offering "19 inches of Venom."
Damn.
Man, the more I watch these videos, the more I'm convinced we had the same childhood lol.
Spider-Man and video games were my two biggest loves as well. And I adored Spyro and Ratchet and Clank. Insomniac were unstoppable back then. I'd love to hear you talk about the Ratchet series! Such amazing games and I still return to them from time to time.
Nice to know Web of Shadows is getting some appreciation these days for what it did for combat involving Spider-Man. Especially the Web-Strike. God, it was so fun in that game, being able to just leap frog from enemy to enemy.
Just because a game was the first to implement similar mechanics doesn't mean it lacks originality. Saying that Spiderman ps4 is a ripoff of the Arkham series is like saying Dead Space is a ripoff of Resident Evil 4.
Or Mafia is a ripoff of GTA lol
And to be honest, Spiderman implemented the whole combat loop first.
You play edge of time and you realize the combat is very much a prototype arkham asylum
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32you're kinda cookin with that take 😭
Keep that shit up, royalty 👑
The problem with that statement is that, everything the last 3 Spider-Man games have done, not only has been made multiple times, but also done much better.
Essentially, these 3 games excel at nothing.
This game really makes you feel the crippling dept anxiety of a young adult
I think Ps4 Spider-Man is special. I have enjoyed almost every SM console game and highlights for me were WOS and USM. But PS4 is head and shoulders above those two for me. WOS especially is hard to revisit, awful dialogue and massively intrusive tutorials made the game an absolute slog at times. I’ve replayed PS4, I think, 4 times and have put in over 100 hours total. It’s the most fun to pick up and play for me. Whether it be for a quick web sling, combat that encourages creativity or the stellar mainline story. It just hits for me.
Your opinions will change completely when you get those 19 inches of Venom on October 20th.
I see what you're saying but I don't really agree with Spider Man PS4 playing it too safe because the offers a great amount of content like side missions that led to different boss fights outside of the main game or new outfits that are unlocked when completed, collectibles that give a deeper look at this new world for spider man and what he has been through, web swinging that provides interesting interactions with the open world that keeps momentum while also having abilities tricks and analog controls that add to the web swinging momentum, and small details like being able to interact with civilians in different ways.
Every open world game has similar fundamentals but that serves as more of a foundation of the genre rather a repetitive element like guns and projectile weapons being used in shooters or combos in fighting games which are all just necessities for the genres they are in but the focus and ingenuity comes down to how to make those aspects interesting and engaging games which Spider Man PS4 already does.
The story for this game takes many risks such as giving Peter and Otto a closer relationship that gives more weight to Octavius turning evil, using the sinister six as an opposing force which is not a normal element in a Spider Man game, using a character like Mr Negative who has never been in a Spider Man game before, and killing off Aunt May which no Spider Man has done before among other examples which is why many people are attached to this version of Spider Man and were pleased to see him in the Spider verse movie.
Web of Shadow might be worse than Spiderman ps4, but honestly it had a lot of charm , campy and esgy , but it charm and unique take instead of just being Open World the game , i wish someone gave another go.
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I think it's better honestly, the combat and traversal are just better imo
The whole Spider-Man being an Arkham game had some pretty valid points if you compare the first game to Arkham. However around miles morales it shown the game is going to a more creative direction with its gameplay and Spider-Man 2 seems to focus on more of doing its own identity.
I appreciate you going outside of your usual audiencies range. Even if this doesnt get as many views as your other vids, this is a fantastic video with a lot of work put into it! Thank you
I kinda disagree in the web swinging being bad. I get your point but I see it as them wanting it to be as accessible to anyone as they can. I think they're trying to answer the "difficulty claims" with the trick system or the newly added fall damage for S2. I think a toggle of "free" vs "guided" would be fine to make it accessible as well as challenging for those who want it.
Again different skills are involved and due to the magnitude of the IP it has to be enjoyable for all levels of gamers. For example Ratchet Remake and Spiderman remaster+miles morales showed me that current insomniac's take on difficulty is annoying enemies with heavy guns and heavy armor, and that's it, so that's something I'm not looking forward to because it felt annoying rather than hard in those games. I opted to play Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart on easy with this issue in mind and I enjoyed it way much better than Spiderman and Remake. So as everything, a toggle or having different options could be the wiser way out of this challenge conundrum
What does your expression of "safe" even mean? You say it so much but don't expand upon it unless you compare it to an older game.
It's because he's a mega nerd who thinks that something that doesn't cater to his very niche interests is automatically lame
@@BlackJacked That’s what I got out of it. He should probably stick to Persona.
Really crazy to think it’s been half a decade since the ps4 game was released.
the web swinging rocked still does.
9:15 idk about you but I found the skillcap insanely high. Those web slinging courses were far from easy and I’m no slouch at platformers
pider man :)
we agree
God I still remember getting Web of Shadows for my birthday back when I was a kids. i played the heck out of it and I loved just how destructive the symbiote suit was. I also remember the weird feelings Black Cat gave me that I was too innocent to understand back then
i wish web of shadows was rereleased on steam man that game was peak childhood
Tbh its a very fun game i platinumed it and am now doing ng plus i dont really care how much its like arkham i love the story the gameplay the everything and cant wait for spider man 2
I think this game is like a lot of modern Sony games, only I think it's quite a bit more interesting. It has a very safe plot, a pretty cookie cutter open world and mechanics, and the combat, while interesting since you can do a ton of cool stuff with it like launching enemies, is also pretty simple.
But man, when this game was firing on all cylinders it was great. There was nothing quite like flying through the city and running up, down, and across walls. I can only hope they can tighten things up in the sequel, but I also hear Miles Morales trims a lot of fat too which gives me more hope.
Yeah... Web of Shadows is quite special. As janky as it was, first time playing it as a young teen, I was unironically said that the game was the true next gen spidey experience. It blew my mind when I was able to do combat while sticking on the wall. Or how I was actually able to switch the symbiote powers on the fly WITHOUT RESTRICTION. No special meter, no stage specific experience, no long ass switching animation, it's fluidly integrated to gameplay. It left an everlasting impression.
So I definitely agree with the sentiment. I really hope Miles Morales is the beginning of Insomniac adding their own flare which will come to fruition in the sequel (hopefully)
I am curious to hear your thoughts on Spider-man 2 after this video
I have no doubt that Spider-Man 2 will absolutely deliver on the gameplay front. But I am worried about how they are going to tackle Venom in particular, because outside of his comics (which are great btw) Venom’s record when it comes to adaptations is…very poor (in fact the best Venom adaptation we got in literal years was the midnight suns video game where he’s a dlc character with his own story). And saying that it’s not Eddie is severely disappointing, because a big problem with Venom adaptations is that there’s a misconception that a lot of Venom’s actions are driven by the symbiote when in reality it’s Eddie who’s in control.
And tbh the prospect of it possibly being Harry is really lame both in paper and execution (cuz not only is it “my friend is a villain” again, which insomniac already did twice. But Harry 9 times out of 10 isn’t really an interesting enough character to be picked as a symbiote host, he wouldn’t have an interesting dynamic with the symbiote like Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson would)
Fantastic video 🔥 Spider-Man 2 on PS2, Spider-Man 3 on PS3 and Web of Shadows on PS3 both really stood out to me. Web of Shadows had really unique combat and SM3 almost felt like a fighting game because of how crazy fighting could get.
I think it's fair to say that "this game plays it way too safe" is a criticism that can be levered against every Sony exclusive for the past few gens.
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I'd be interested to see a video where you talk about some Ratchet and Clank game. It's been a while since you talked about them last for a full video
Weird comparison, and I could take this back a few years from now, but that's why I'm not excited for the upcoming show Batman: Caped Crusader. It feels like it's going to be too derivative of what B:TAS did instead of having its own identity like The Batman, Brave and the Bold, or Beware did. It feels too safe.
I thought from the beginning that SM ps4 swinging is very plain. It's kind of a shame that parkour has to be the same button, cause you can't really mix in some rooftop parkour Miles Morales style without completely losing momentum. You also can't wallrun while holding onto a webline like in The Amazing Spider-man movie, which is just one of the many things I can think of that Insomniac didn't
But at least they confirmed that SM2 will give us the option of physics based swinging
Hearing you talk about Web of Shadows with so much praise caught me off guard. Its been one of my all time fav games for a while now, if you ever do a review of Spiderman 2 id love to hear you talk more about how it compares to the older spidey games
Good video! I’ve never played these games yet, but I just love listening to you talk about stuff haha! Really enjoyable vid right before bed
My problem with this insomniac spiderman is that feels too barebones, there's so many mechanics that older games had and this one doesn't, side building combat, many traversal and web swing skills (for the love of god, they though that dump the entire web swing and FLY was a good addition to the sequel, what's better than skip the entire web swing Right?), dedicated side quest instead of "activities", more enemy diversity, villains
Also insomniac dedication to presentation ans realism instead of engaging gameplay,
I got caught so off guard hearing someone praise Miles Morales so much
Spider-Man PS4 and Miles Morales are literally the only games I’ve ever platinum
I’ve played through Marvels Spider-Man and Miles Morales countless times 100%. Even with both platinums something about the games always draw me back in to 100% them again, after I’ve already done it. Hoping 2 grabs me the same way. Love the vids, thank you for the entertainment.
Blitz ball…
SO TRUE
Great game 💯👌👍
Definitely can't wait to play it this month im excited
It's too polished , you know ? It's similar to Horizon Zero Dawn , you see a good but safe game that's polished to a fault and don't let any rough edges , but those edge might have been the charm and "soul" those old games had.
It's meant to shown a certain experience instead of letting the player have that experience themselves.. Hard to explain but Sony works like that.
So it’s bad for a game to be polished? Isn’t that a good thing also the Arkham games were polished when they came out (at least asylum-knight on consoles were) so does that mean they’re bad?
@@JPmoney99 never said that. What i meant was the game is clearly focus tested and polished so anyone can play
@@alsaiduq4363 oh ok then my b
despite the webswinging being pretty automated and the combat not being crazy, playing Spider-man ps4 for the first time was an amazing experience and i was obsessed with it for months
I don’t replay it because the combat is by-far my least preferred aspect of the game.
Whenever I find a goon base, I just swing right past it because my favorite gameplay style, stealth, is ripped from your hands as soon as you take out the first wave.
Being stealthy clearly doesn’t matter, as the goons will be alerted to your presence no matter what.
You look at the major sony studios and they're all so depressingly similar
Compare them to their past and you immediately notice something
Insomniac had spyro and ratchet
Santa monica had gow
Naughty dog had crash bandicoot and jack and daxter
Suckerpunch and sly cooper and infamous
But you look at their games now and they all feel so damn safe and repetitive
Insomniac still obviously makes ratchet games but they feel like playable pixar movies
Santa monica took everything special about gow and removed it to make a character who fits with the other Sony saddy daddies
Naughty dog is the leader of this trend, especially with last of us and uncharted, both good series but man, going back to them now isn't fun because you know how they turned every sony exclusive into the same thing
Suckerpunch made ghost of Tsushima, while really interesting, still sadly has the same issues as spiderman
But spiderman and miles morales were, even if still pretty generic and safe, really fun, I enjoyed them for what they were but again, if you think about how each studio would make a game, insomniac absolutely wouldn't make something this simple
Think fromsoft and how they make their games focused on "duel" type combat, or monolith soft and the unbelievable scale of their worlds and combat systems, etc
This game bored me to tears, i like the swinging though
Such a garbage take lol
@@Zordyntf you on about?
This game is bad because it has a Spider-Man story. 🤢 everything about the game was bad because of the story! It's not like this was the first game in this series
HAHA GO CRY ITS A SPIDER-MAN GAME, AND A FRICKIN GOOD ONE AT THAT
Please finish the video
I can with full honesty agree with your takes. Compared to some of the flawed older Activision era Spider-man games, Insomniac's Spider-man series lacks "spice" or any sort of depth with any of it's combat mechanics, and this is especially true for web swinging. Everything feels very automated and overly cinematic because the developers weren't willing to take any risks that challenged the player.
And that's why I can't understand people who say that Gotham Knights are bad while Spider-Man is a masterpiece when mechanically they are both Arkham clones and play the same.
Gotham knights suffered because of how it leaned into being an rpg.
Would you be interested in doing a review on Spiderman PS4? On an...semi related note, since you did reviews on the Devil May Cry games, how about some other Hack n' Slash type of games, like Ninja Gaiden?