Same thing. I was confused with Newegg having an "M.2 PCIe" section AND an "M.2 Sata" connection. None of the "big guys" covered that shit in their videos, so props to this guy.
9:50 Thank you for not cutting this and re-recording it. A lot of UA-cam channels will scrap clips like this, but in your video it offered a nice pause in the flow of information, gives a chance to reflect on what each of the terms mean. It also helps to know that even the pros sometimes mix this up, that we're not all stupid because we have to look it up. Great video!
Thanks for watching! There is a LOT of terminology to get right here. I usually try to keep it real, and yes, I do sometimes mess up because it is quite complicated.
Thank you so much for this video. After buying a second NVME drive, installing it, not having it recognized, and then reading it wouldn't work in my motherboard but not fully knowing why it wouldn't work was driving me crazy. This was so simple and clear and now I understand my second m.2 is only sata and not nvme compatible and it all makes sense now.
I've been chugging along with my early 2010 CPU (Intel i7-2600K) in a machine where the CPU is the ONLY orig part from the original computer it came from (on powerspec from Microcenter). I recently decided to "upgrade" to a HP 840Z that comes with X2 CPU's and 126gb of ram, etc.. Typical beefed up HP. Though it comes with 5 SSD's (all 1 tb), I plan on picking up a card and NVMe 1 or 2 tb drive as my boot drive and migrate the 26tb's (two 8's and one 10tb drive) to the new PC. This video sheds some light on what and how these will turn my new beast into a demon. Thanks
Just put together a new gaming PC for Christmas. Took advantage of the Black Friday sales. This always seems to be the best time of the year for deals on closeouts. The newest models are coming to market and computer warehouses are trying to get rid of the older models which usually perform quite well.UA-cam videos like these are really essential to understanding if you are buying the best performing components for the best price. I think I did pretty good this year! Bought a 2TB M.2 NVME PCIe 3.0 x 4. My understanding is the prices will continue to drop dramatically. I plan to switching totally to SSD drives by this time next year. Thanks for this video. Really helpful!
I haven't seen any other explanation about this subject as good as yours... I was totally confused, and mostly because some sellers don't help very much with the description of their products, specially when they lack consistency... it makes me think some times that is a total different product, and sometimes that is the same, but it isn't... Thank you very much for such good explanation.
It's truly nice that you have explained this for us . Especially in a much clearer fashion. I do have the Nvme.2 or should I say more like a stick of gum. I love it keep up the good work. Keith
Thank you sir for the clear and informative video. Most videos on this topic on UA-cam are quite click-baity and don't provide nearly as much information. I subscribed.
So confusing...But I did manage to buy an M.2 NVME PCie memory. What a change! 5 minutes or more boot time and now in 20 seconds or less. Well worth the investment. I wish I saw this channel earlier though. Thanks!
Excellent narration. One of the very few presenters who understands how to 'Speak' .. Yes, there is a difference between Talking and Speaking. Many inexperienced and untrained presenters have a rapid cadence. as if they are in a hurry to get to the 'Toilette' yapping like baring dogs it does not give time for listener to absorb and enjoy what is being said. Presenting and eating are in effect the same. Go slow and enjoy the content., be it words of a meal. So top marks Home Tech Adventure. Thumbs up for your presentation. It so happens that my SATA III interface card has provision to install an M.2 Drive, which I am expecting to purchase, having 1 TB capacity to replace a KINGSTON 240GB SSD. The SATA III interface card also has a USB C socket, which I find useful when I need to connect my Cell phone for Data exchange or even Battery Charging.
M key, B key, M+B Key, M Key SATA, B Key SATA and M+B Key SATA. With all the pre-built companies putting in cheaper M+B SATA drives it's nice to know what you pulled out of a machine if you decide to slap it in a PCIe adapter for say, a DIY NAS. Lots of laptops come with a 128gb M.2 SATA drive and it still huge for a boot drive on a home built NAS.
Thank you kind sir! Your video is very pleasant to watch and as a Latino I love your outro! I was looking for the best hard drive for my first build and you helped me pick one. I bought a new x570 tomahawk, a new 011D PCMR, Corsair Vengeance pro 16GBX2 (3200Mhz) and you inspired me to get the Samsung 970 PRO M.2 PCIe Gen3 X4 (that was a mouthfull). I'm so excited for my first build but Im leaving the best for last...the Zen3. UPDATE: Im returning my Tomahawk X570 because its 1 and a half inch smaller than the average motherboard and it looks funny to me in my 011D PCMR which is basically an XL.
Finally a good Explanation on this topic. Thank You very much. So it is just a Matter of time before the 2,5" SSD'S are going to dissapair in the newer Laptops, desktops?
Thank you so much ,,, really upto this point I always thought that all SSD were the same .Very detailed explanation ,,, looking forward to seeing more on this channel
Thanks for the idea! I do have an old Intel B85 motherboard and processor that does not have an an M.2 slot that would be great for testing this. I will consider this for one of my future videos.
I have an ASUS Prime B550 Plus motherboard. Which drive would work faster with this motherboard. M.2 or NVMe PCIe ? It currently has an M.2 . I built it myself (first time) before seeing this video and was wondering which one would work better or if my motherboard actually supported NVMe PCIe. Loved your video. Great job. :)
THANK YOU! You have answered my question at 1:10 already, why does no one else make tell you this haha. I'm still going to watch the rest of the video to learn more. SUBBED.
Thanks for a great video, I’ve watched many and not learned nearly as much as I have with yours. I Just bought a Qwiizlab UH25 Pro for my new MAC Mini M2, this is all new territory for me. Hope you don’t mind my newbie questions; Are the two internal ports (the M.2 SSD & the 2.5 inch HDD), here for increasing capacity ? Can I install just one or the other ? Or do I have to install both ? Would the UH25 run a SATA III ? Should the two drives be the same protocol ? Is this similar to the old PC configuration of a large hard drive that was typically partitioned into a boot drive and multiple storage drives ?
The two internal ports are to increase your Mac Mini's storage capacity. You can install just one or the other in this unit. You can install any combination of drives. Since it looks like the M.2 slot only accepts NVMe Gen 3.0x1 units, I would just get a 2.5" SATA drive. The SATA drive slow would be running the SATA III protocol. I don't think you would see much difference in performance and it might be less expensive to go with a 2.5" SATA drive. This would be similar to a PC with a large hard drive. You will need to use Disk Utility on the Mac to format the drive after it is connected. The boot drive will be internal to the Mac Mini and the other drives will be extra storage drives.
Man I just started to upgrade my ssd (mostly to increase storage not necessarily power) and learn about it all. Turns out according to your list, i bought the lowest standard m.2 sata ssd. However, it is what my laptop can take anyways, no nvme ever for this device. But I can't complain, because it's the fastest device I ever had and works well for what I need it for anyways.
Thanks for watching! I am responding to you on a computer with a M.2 SATA SSD. Fast enough for this use. You won't see much of a speed difference with normal use cases.
@@GaroSlayerThis is going to get technical, go as deep as you want: Wikipedia does a pretty good job with the basics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express This site has a good overview: www.sapphirenation.net/ssd-drives-part-connectors-interfaces-protocols/ Here is a good description of the M.2 hardware and keys: www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/M2ConnectorBrochure201412181.PDF A basic SATA technical guide here: www.delkin.com/blog/sata-serial-ata/ How deep do you want to go? SATA is pretty much dead as an interface for SSD's in the long term, NVMe is the future, although SATA will live along side it for a LONG time. Original SATA 3.0 Specification here: www.lttconn.com/res/lttconn/pdres/201005/20100521170123066.pdf The latest version of the NVMe Specification is here: nvmexpress.org/wp-content/uploads/NVM-Express-1_4b-2020.09.21-Ratified.pdf The original 1.0 version of the M.2 Specification (I think this is the original) is here: read.pudn.com/downloads794/doc/project/3133918/PCIe_M.2_Electromechanical_Spec_Rev1.0_Final_11012013_RS_Clean.pdf For the latest version of the M.2 specification, you can find it here (pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/M.2_Specification/), but there is a catch, you need to be employed by a company that is a member of the consortium or pay a $4000 yearly membership fee here (pcisig.com/membership/become-member) to view the files.
"G1.Sniper B6 * Support for M.2 PCIe SSDs only." Does it mean that my MB can only support M.2 NVMe? I just bought an M.2 SATA and it does not show up on my disk manager
Clinton Johnson All videos are the same. A video is a video. It is the 'Presentation' that makes the difference. Perhaps now you understand the difference, and what really matters. Video QUALITY is not an issue. The presentation quality is what matters.
So if I understand correctly, M.2 describes the PHYSICAL connection between two devices (e.g., the SSD and the motherboard) and NVME describes the protocol, that is, how the two devices communicate to transfer data? I am going to build a PC for the first time, and I'm considering a motherboard that has (among other things) the following storage interface specs: "1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSD support)". Here's what I understand of the various terms, based on your video and Wikipedia: M.2 connector - describes the physical connection Socket 3 - describes sockets keyed for four PCI Express lanes, which determines data transfer speeds M key - describes the mating key positions/notch, which determines the type of modules accepted by the motherboard. According to Wikipedia, "M.2 modules with only one notch in the M position use up to four PCI Express lanes," so do "M key" and "Socket 3" provide the same information since both describe M.2 devices that have four PCI Express lanes? type 2242....22110 - describes the width and length of the m.2 connector. Many lengths are accepted by this particular motherboard. SATA SSD support - can use SSDs that use SATA, an alternative--slower--protocol (way of communicating) compared to PCIe PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSD support - can use SSDs that use PCIe 4.0, the latest version of the PCIe protocol with the highest transfer speeds. Furthermore, the SSD may use either two or four PCIe 4.0 lanes. Any corrections you would make to my description?
The PCIe 4.0 is backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0, so you could use a PCIe 3.0 M.2 SSD to save money. The difference in speed would probably not be noticeable unless you transfer large data sets a lot.
Questions: What use cases benefit from a depth of Q32? (Am I right in understanding this as depth of the pipeline or queue?) Will this increase performance for media creators moving around big files? Why do bigger SSDs outperform smaller SSDs? You gave the example of 1 TB vs 500 GB. On old spinning disk technology, this was generally true because a a smaller disk was more “filled” (assuming the same amount of storage used) than the larger, resulting in longer seek times. (This is also why defragging your hard drive was a thing, iirc). I didn’t think that SSDs had this issue, but maybe I was wrong. I also watched a LTT video a while back that was comparing super cheap no-name M.2 SATA storage with M.2 SATA from name brand companies. The cheap one (I believe the brand was “Golden Pigeon”) performed terribly; the reason given was that it was using a single chip vs the more expensive name brand using multiple chips (each storing a smaller amount). Is this related to my second above? Thanks for this video. It clarified a lot of the confusing information I’ve already seen.
Q32 and beyond are important for server workloads, where many users use the same storage device at the same time. Think of an office server with a database that everyone needs to access regularly. Moving a big file is just one request, so assuming you don't try to do other work at the same time, Q1 performance may be best. However, writing to the NAND memory in an SSD is SLOW, so manufacturers of quality SSD's include a RAM buffer to catch some large transfers and then write it to the NAND memory during idle times. If the file transfer is too large for the RAM buffer to handle, then the SSD can slow way down. Depending on the SSD implementation, this can slow down below the speed of a good hard disk for very large transfers. Better quality SSD's have faster NAND and can keep up better. Bigger SSD's tend to have multiple smaller NAND chips to create the larger size. The SSD controller can use this to an advantage by writing to multiple NAND chips at the same time from the RAM buffer resulting in faster speeds; more parallel operations means more speed. A few of the smaller SSD's are now being designed with more smaller NAND chips to keep the speed competitive with larger SSD's. Also, some very cheap SSD's have smaller or even no RAM buffer which really slows down large file transfers. Unless you spend $$$$$ on a super fast SSD, a hard disk may be more cost effective if you transfer very large files regularly. Also, if it is really important to transfer very large files quickly, certain types of RAID setups will really improve performance. This is again a form of parallel operations, this time spread across multiple hard disks or SSD's.
I've just bought one SSD SATA drive with 1 T and one M.2 NVME PCIe 3.0x2 with 240 GB. In this case which one you would install the OS and in which format (considering that I have a Mac OS X). My initial idea was to run the OS X in the M.2 drive and use the SSD SATA for file storage. But I need to be sure that the format will allow me to run WINDOWS 10 on my Mac. Thank you in advance for your comments.
Are you on a real Mac or a Hackintosh? If you are on a real Mac, which one? Is the SATA drive external? I would put the operating system on the M.2 drive normally. To run Windows 10 on a real Mac, you will need to use Bootcamp. You will likely run out of space quickly with two OS's on a 240 GB drive. From what I have read, real Macs can be very picky about which M.2 SSD's work. Generally, if a drive works for OS X, it will also work just fine for Windows 10.
@@hometechadventure4462 Hi, Thanks for your reply. I'm working with a real iMac 21.5" Late 2013. The SATA drive is internal (replaced now by an SSD SATA drive 1Tb). The original configuration says the Mac is prepared to have both drives. Can I have Windows installed with Bootcamp separately from the OS X drive?
I don't know if Windows can be on a different drive from the OS X boot drive. Make a good backup and then give it a try? Before you do, try a search on DuckDuckGo.com to see if anyone has tried it. My guess is that someone has done it before. You may even find an official method from Apple. With a Hackintosh, we always put Windows on a separate drive, but then we have a non-Apple bootloader to handle it.
@@hometechadventure4462 Actually it worked. I have in my M.2 the OS X, plus MsOffice 365 and all apps. In the SATA SSD I've made with BOOTCAMP a partition and installed Windows 10. The other partition is just used as storage. Just wanted to share my experience.Many thanks for your replies. Appreciated.
THANK YOU I swapped to AMD and could t figure out why my M. 2 wasn't showing up turned out I was installing it in the NVME slot not the sata slot sigh and I asked the manufacturer and they couldn't straight up tell me why gen 4 and gen 3 slot was different and why they just told me that the slot didn't support sata ssd
I have quite old but really good platform ASUS P9X79 with Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 and 4x4GB RAM Quad Channel G.SKILL memory. Now I do have SATA 6GBs connections on motherboard and I do have four PCIe 3.0 16x slots (3 are empty). There is also PCIe 2.0 1x which is no use to me. What do you suggest. Stay with SATA 6Gbs or buy some kind of controller PCIe 3.0 x16 for M.2 PCIe NVMe drives?
You can use either. Full specs from ASUS website says: 1 x M.2 Socket 3, , with M Key, type 2260/2280 storage devices support ( *_both SATA & PCIE mode_* ) Source: www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H97PLUS/specifications/
I have tablette dell venue 11 pro, it has ssd m2 sata, and I bought a ssd m2 nvme samsung 980pro, i didn't know, i ask you if i can change the hard drive of my dell by ssd samsung 980pro using a adaptor help me please.
I have a crucial M2 SATA, now I'm upgrading to another laptop which is using PCI gen3x4 ports with a M2 nvme already inserted. Can I add the M2 SATA to the other slot or it won't work at all?
After watching a few videos, this is the only video that answers all my questions about m.2 thing. Thanks a lot sir
Same thing. I was confused with Newegg having an "M.2 PCIe" section AND an "M.2 Sata" connection. None of the "big guys" covered that shit in their videos, so props to this guy.
Same here..
You are most welcome
OuTSMoKE or if they do cover it, they take forever to get to it, and there’s a lot of useless information.
Academic level explanation of SSD types. Thanks for upload.
Most welcome
9:50 Thank you for not cutting this and re-recording it. A lot of UA-cam channels will scrap clips like this, but in your video it offered a nice pause in the flow of information, gives a chance to reflect on what each of the terms mean. It also helps to know that even the pros sometimes mix this up, that we're not all stupid because we have to look it up.
Great video!
Thanks for watching! There is a LOT of terminology to get right here. I usually try to keep it real, and yes, I do sometimes mess up because it is quite complicated.
Thank you so much for this video. After buying a second NVME drive, installing it, not having it recognized, and then reading it wouldn't work in my motherboard but not fully knowing why it wouldn't work was driving me crazy. This was so simple and clear and now I understand my second m.2 is only sata and not nvme compatible and it all makes sense now.
You explain things better than most other channels that might have way more subs than you. I really do hope your channel will grow in the future.
I appreciate that!
By far one of the best videos on UA-cam to understand M.2 shenanigans !
That made it super easy to understand. I found alot of other information confusing. This cleared up a lot of my questions thank you.
Great to hear!
Got a like alone for the term 'home computer'. This sent me right back to the 80's :)
no one in youtube shows and explain like this thank you
as said below
your the first person to explain in depth
Good work sir
the only helpful video i could find that simply and thoroughly explains the subject of m.2 storage. thank you so much!
So glad!
I've been chugging along with my early 2010 CPU (Intel i7-2600K) in a machine where the CPU is the ONLY orig part from the original computer it came from (on powerspec from Microcenter). I recently decided to "upgrade" to a HP 840Z that comes with X2 CPU's and 126gb of ram, etc.. Typical beefed up HP. Though it comes with 5 SSD's (all 1 tb), I plan on picking up a card and NVMe 1 or 2 tb drive as my boot drive and migrate the 26tb's (two 8's and one 10tb drive) to the new PC. This video sheds some light on what and how these will turn my new beast into a demon. Thanks
So precise, clear, and accurate. You've got a sub from me.
Thanks and welcome
you are the best I ever seen. better than anyone else. Thank You for answering all my questions.
Very informative and now I understand why some m.2 drives are more expensive.
thanks for the video-- love that you opened a drive to compare the insides. You explain things very well!
Glad you liked it!
Just put together a new gaming PC for Christmas. Took advantage of the Black Friday sales. This always seems to be the best time of the year for deals on closeouts. The newest models are coming to market and computer warehouses are trying to get rid of the older models which usually perform quite well.UA-cam videos like these are really essential to understanding if you are buying the best performing components for the best price. I think I did pretty good this year! Bought a 2TB M.2 NVME PCIe 3.0 x 4. My understanding is the prices will continue to drop dramatically. I plan to switching totally to SSD drives by this time next year. Thanks for this video. Really helpful!
Sounds great! Glad I could help. This is exactly the scenario this channel is aimed at.
I haven't seen any other explanation about this subject as good as yours... I was totally confused, and mostly because some sellers don't help very much with the description of their products, specially when they lack consistency... it makes me think some times that is a total different product, and sometimes that is the same, but it isn't... Thank you very much for such good explanation.
You're very welcome!
Much clearer than other videos out there on the same subject. Good job and thanks!
You're very welcome!
This video is great. Really like how you gave explanations with the side boxes. Actually helps
Thanks for the feedback.
It's truly nice that you have explained this for us .
Especially in a much clearer fashion.
I do have the
Nvme.2 or should I say more like a stick of gum.
I love it keep up the good work.
Keith
Although this type of presentation seems old fashioned but it was a good explanation. It was a neat presentation.
Very informative, I subscribed! Thanks for explaining this in layman's terms
Welcome!
Thank you sir for the clear and informative video.
Most videos on this topic on UA-cam are quite click-baity and don't provide nearly as much information.
I subscribed.
So nice of you
So confusing...But I did manage to buy an M.2 NVME PCie memory. What a change! 5 minutes or more boot time and now in 20 seconds or less. Well worth the investment. I wish I saw this channel earlier though. Thanks!
Excellent!
Already 1 year plus use this Adata XPG M.2 NVMe 512GB, then I came here to understand more about these technology. Thanks sir
You're most welcome.
Excellent narration.
One of the very few presenters who understands how to 'Speak'
.. Yes, there is a difference between Talking and Speaking.
Many inexperienced and untrained presenters have a rapid cadence. as if they are
in a hurry to get to the 'Toilette' yapping like baring dogs it does not give time for
listener to absorb and enjoy what is being said.
Presenting and eating are in effect the same.
Go slow and enjoy the content., be it words of a meal.
So top marks Home Tech Adventure.
Thumbs up for your presentation.
It so happens that my SATA III interface card has provision to
install an M.2 Drive, which I am expecting to purchase, having
1 TB capacity to replace a KINGSTON 240GB SSD.
The SATA III interface card also has a USB C socket, which I find
useful when I need to connect my Cell phone for Data exchange
or even Battery Charging.
M key, B key, M+B Key, M Key SATA, B Key SATA and M+B Key SATA. With all the pre-built companies putting in cheaper M+B SATA drives it's nice to know what you pulled out of a machine if you decide to slap it in a PCIe adapter for say, a DIY NAS. Lots of laptops come with a 128gb M.2 SATA drive and it still huge for a boot drive on a home built NAS.
Thank you kind sir! Your video is very pleasant to watch and as a Latino I love your outro! I was looking for the best hard drive for my first build and you helped me pick one. I bought a new x570 tomahawk, a new 011D PCMR, Corsair Vengeance pro 16GBX2 (3200Mhz) and you inspired me to get the Samsung 970 PRO M.2 PCIe Gen3 X4 (that was a mouthfull). I'm so excited for my first build but Im leaving the best for last...the Zen3.
UPDATE: Im returning my Tomahawk X570 because its 1 and a half inch smaller than the average motherboard and it looks funny to me in my 011D PCMR which is basically an XL.
Good luck with your build! Thanks for watching.
I am starting to see a lot more m.2 drives on laptops in my shop. This video has helped so much thank you.
Glad it helped
The best explanation about the subject I ever saw. Congratulations!
Wow, thanks!
I wish I had found this video first! You get right to the point and explain the differences clearly.
Glad it was helpful!
pretty good explanation... nice work man, from one educator to another
Great video and explanation. Thank you for making this so clear and concise to the average computer user :)
You're very welcome!
Great video...I learned all I need to know so THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge. I subscribed.
Very informative. You successfully answered all the questions about M.2 SSD that I had. Thank you.
Great to hear!
Finally a good Explanation on this topic. Thank You very much. So it is just a Matter of time before the 2,5" SSD'S are going to dissapair in the newer Laptops, desktops?
This was tremendously informative! Thank you for making this video
cleared all my wuestions on this topic. thanks for this video. subbed
Thanks for the sub!
Great explanation. Thanks.
I'm glad you found it helpful.
Thank you for your informative tutorial on M.2 and NVMe. Have taken careful notes regarding the issues.
Glad it was helpful!
just subbed and liked, thanx for being thorough.
Finally it's all clear to me. Thanks for the explaining and very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Very good with real Connectors showing 👍
I like to show things like this. I think it helps with understanding.
Thank you so much ,,, really upto this point I always thought that all SSD were the same .Very detailed explanation ,,, looking forward to seeing more on this channel
I'm working on more content right now.
Please make a video regarding adapters for said M.2s for motherboards without slots for both types of M.2
Thanks for the idea! I do have an old Intel B85 motherboard and processor that does not have an an M.2 slot that would be great for testing this. I will consider this for one of my future videos.
i think he is lecturer at uni,well explained and delivered .
Thanks for the compliment.
Very useful & informative guide
You cleared all my confusion sir. Thank you very much
Glad to hear that
Very useful information. Thank you
informative and straight to the point ,,,, nice job and thanks a lot
Wonderful Video! Very precise!
Even for me as Asian, I can understand this well. Thanks sir!
Great!
Thank you Sir ! Explained very well !
Most welcome!
Very well explained sir. Now its clear to me.Thanks.
Glad to hear that
thanks for the video .
btw im shocked to see my city at the end of the video (chefchaouen)😅😅
Thanks heaps for explaining things
Great video
Very Clear ... And accurate ..
Glad you liked it
So I can't use a M.2 AHCI SSD on a M.2 NVMe slot on my motherboard? Thanks for answering and God bless
You may be able to, it depends on your motherboard. Check the specs on the manufacturer's website.
I have an ASUS Prime B550 Plus motherboard. Which drive would work faster with this motherboard. M.2 or NVMe PCIe ? It currently has an M.2 . I built it myself (first time) before seeing this video and was wondering which one would work better or if my motherboard actually supported NVMe PCIe. Loved your video. Great job. :)
Huge help, thank you
THANK YOU! You have answered my question at 1:10 already, why does no one else make tell you this haha. I'm still going to watch the rest of the video to learn more. SUBBED.
Thanks for your informative video
Very insightful thanks
Thanks for a great video, I’ve watched many and not learned nearly as much as I have with yours.
I Just bought a Qwiizlab UH25 Pro for my new MAC Mini M2, this is all new territory for me.
Hope you don’t mind my newbie questions;
Are the two internal ports (the M.2 SSD & the 2.5 inch HDD), here for increasing capacity ?
Can I install just one or the other ?
Or do I have to install both ?
Would the UH25 run a SATA III ?
Should the two drives be the same protocol ?
Is this similar to the old PC configuration of a large hard drive
that was typically partitioned into a boot drive and multiple storage drives ?
The two internal ports are to increase your Mac Mini's storage capacity. You can install just one or the other in this unit. You can install any combination of drives. Since it looks like the M.2 slot only accepts NVMe Gen 3.0x1 units, I would just get a 2.5" SATA drive. The SATA drive slow would be running the SATA III protocol. I don't think you would see much difference in performance and it might be less expensive to go with a 2.5" SATA drive. This would be similar to a PC with a large hard drive. You will need to use Disk Utility on the Mac to format the drive after it is connected. The boot drive will be internal to the Mac Mini and the other drives will be extra storage drives.
I understood all the differences. Thank you
You are welcome!
Wow. Greate info you have provide
Thank you for this in depth tutorial on M.2 ssd. Will be using knowledge gained
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you a little late but still very informative, also thanks for showing how it looks like internally
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much Gary, very informative.
Glad it was helpful! Name is Tony though.
Man I just started to upgrade my ssd (mostly to increase storage not necessarily power) and learn about it all. Turns out according to your list, i bought the lowest standard m.2 sata ssd. However, it is what my laptop can take anyways, no nvme ever for this device. But I can't complain, because it's the fastest device I ever had and works well for what I need it for anyways.
Thanks for watching! I am responding to you on a computer with a M.2 SATA SSD. Fast enough for this use. You won't see much of a speed difference with normal use cases.
Thanks for the excellent explanation
Glad you liked it
@@hometechadventure4462 Do you by any chance have any good resource to read more regarding protocols and interface differences?
@@GaroSlayerThis is going to get technical, go as deep as you want:
Wikipedia does a pretty good job with the basics:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express
This site has a good overview:
www.sapphirenation.net/ssd-drives-part-connectors-interfaces-protocols/
Here is a good description of the M.2 hardware and keys:
www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/M2ConnectorBrochure201412181.PDF
A basic SATA technical guide here:
www.delkin.com/blog/sata-serial-ata/
How deep do you want to go? SATA is pretty much dead as an interface for SSD's in the long term, NVMe is the future, although SATA will live along side it for a LONG time.
Original SATA 3.0 Specification here:
www.lttconn.com/res/lttconn/pdres/201005/20100521170123066.pdf
The latest version of the NVMe Specification is here:
nvmexpress.org/wp-content/uploads/NVM-Express-1_4b-2020.09.21-Ratified.pdf
The original 1.0 version of the M.2 Specification (I think this is the original) is here:
read.pudn.com/downloads794/doc/project/3133918/PCIe_M.2_Electromechanical_Spec_Rev1.0_Final_11012013_RS_Clean.pdf
For the latest version of the M.2 specification, you can find it here (pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/M.2_Specification/), but there is a catch, you need to be employed by a company that is a member of the consortium or pay a $4000 yearly membership fee here (pcisig.com/membership/become-member) to view the files.
Really freakin' out running the small M.2 nvme in a new PC build. Awesome!
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Thankyou so very much, this video really helped me understand the difference in a very easy manner, ❣️ appreciation from India😀
So glad!
The question is" "What's the difference between an NVMe M.2 drive and a SATA M.2 drive" since they are both M.2 drives.
"G1.Sniper B6 * Support for M.2 PCIe SSDs only."
Does it mean that my MB can only support M.2 NVMe?
I just bought an M.2 SATA and it does not show up on my disk manager
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How much difference is there between 512GB PCIe M.2 Class 40 SSD & 512GB PCIe NVMe M.2 🤔
Good video! Great way to break it down! Thanks!!
Very welcome!
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All videos are the same. A video is a video.
It is the 'Presentation' that makes the difference.
Perhaps now you understand the difference, and what really matters.
Video QUALITY is not an issue. The presentation quality is what matters.
Nice little video - thanks mate.
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Amazing tutorial! Very helpful!
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Hi. Will an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD perform the same speed if it is installed to the PC with an adapter board via PCIe express slot...?
Thanks for this video.
You bet!
So if I understand correctly, M.2 describes the PHYSICAL connection between two devices (e.g., the SSD and the motherboard) and NVME describes the protocol, that is, how the two devices communicate to transfer data?
I am going to build a PC for the first time, and I'm considering a motherboard that has (among other things) the following storage interface specs: "1 x M.2 connector (Socket 3, M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 SATA and PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSD support)".
Here's what I understand of the various terms, based on your video and Wikipedia:
M.2 connector - describes the physical connection
Socket 3 - describes sockets keyed for four PCI Express lanes, which determines data transfer speeds
M key - describes the mating key positions/notch, which determines the type of modules accepted by the motherboard. According to Wikipedia, "M.2 modules with only one notch in the M position use up to four PCI Express lanes," so do "M key" and "Socket 3" provide the same information since both describe M.2 devices that have four PCI Express lanes?
type 2242....22110 - describes the width and length of the m.2 connector. Many lengths are accepted by this particular motherboard.
SATA SSD support - can use SSDs that use SATA, an alternative--slower--protocol (way of communicating) compared to PCIe
PCIe 4.0 x4/x2 SSD support - can use SSDs that use PCIe 4.0, the latest version of the PCIe protocol with the highest transfer speeds. Furthermore, the SSD may use either two or four PCIe 4.0 lanes.
Any corrections you would make to my description?
The PCIe 4.0 is backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0, so you could use a PCIe 3.0 M.2 SSD to save money. The difference in speed would probably not be noticeable unless you transfer large data sets a lot.
Fantastic video. Thank you!
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great quality information video..highly recommend
Glad you think so!
Questions:
What use cases benefit from a depth of Q32? (Am I right in understanding this as depth of the pipeline or queue?) Will this increase performance for media creators moving around big files?
Why do bigger SSDs outperform smaller SSDs? You gave the example of 1 TB vs 500 GB. On old spinning disk technology, this was generally true because a a smaller disk was more “filled” (assuming the same amount of storage used) than the larger, resulting in longer seek times. (This is also why defragging your hard drive was a thing, iirc). I didn’t think that SSDs had this issue, but maybe I was wrong.
I also watched a LTT video a while back that was comparing super cheap no-name M.2 SATA storage with M.2 SATA from name brand companies. The cheap one (I believe the brand was “Golden Pigeon”) performed terribly; the reason given was that it was using a single chip vs the more expensive name brand using multiple chips (each storing a smaller amount). Is this related to my second above?
Thanks for this video. It clarified a lot of the confusing information I’ve already seen.
Q32 and beyond are important for server workloads, where many users use the same storage device at the same time. Think of an office server with a database that everyone needs to access regularly. Moving a big file is just one request, so assuming you don't try to do other work at the same time, Q1 performance may be best. However, writing to the NAND memory in an SSD is SLOW, so manufacturers of quality SSD's include a RAM buffer to catch some large transfers and then write it to the NAND memory during idle times. If the file transfer is too large for the RAM buffer to handle, then the SSD can slow way down. Depending on the SSD implementation, this can slow down below the speed of a good hard disk for very large transfers. Better quality SSD's have faster NAND and can keep up better.
Bigger SSD's tend to have multiple smaller NAND chips to create the larger size. The SSD controller can use this to an advantage by writing to multiple NAND chips at the same time from the RAM buffer resulting in faster speeds; more parallel operations means more speed. A few of the smaller SSD's are now being designed with more smaller NAND chips to keep the speed competitive with larger SSD's. Also, some very cheap SSD's have smaller or even no RAM buffer which really slows down large file transfers. Unless you spend $$$$$ on a super fast SSD, a hard disk may be more cost effective if you transfer very large files regularly. Also, if it is really important to transfer very large files quickly, certain types of RAID setups will really improve performance. This is again a form of parallel operations, this time spread across multiple hard disks or SSD's.
Thank you ! u are so gentle !
So nice of you
All clear now, thank you, Sir! 👑
You're welcome!
Nice explanation..thax from Australia
Glad it was helpful!
I've just bought one SSD SATA drive with 1 T and one M.2 NVME PCIe 3.0x2 with 240 GB. In this case which one you would install the OS and in which format (considering that I have a Mac OS X). My initial idea was to run the OS X in the M.2 drive and use the SSD SATA for file storage. But I need to be sure that the format will allow me to run WINDOWS 10 on my Mac.
Thank you in advance for your comments.
Are you on a real Mac or a Hackintosh? If you are on a real Mac, which one? Is the SATA drive external? I would put the operating system on the M.2 drive normally. To run Windows 10 on a real Mac, you will need to use Bootcamp. You will likely run out of space quickly with two OS's on a 240 GB drive. From what I have read, real Macs can be very picky about which M.2 SSD's work. Generally, if a drive works for OS X, it will also work just fine for Windows 10.
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. I'm working with a real iMac 21.5" Late 2013. The SATA drive is internal (replaced now by an SSD SATA drive 1Tb). The original configuration says the Mac is prepared to have both drives. Can I have Windows installed with Bootcamp separately from the OS X drive?
I don't know if Windows can be on a different drive from the OS X boot drive. Make a good backup and then give it a try? Before you do, try a search on DuckDuckGo.com to see if anyone has tried it. My guess is that someone has done it before. You may even find an official method from Apple. With a Hackintosh, we always put Windows on a separate drive, but then we have a non-Apple bootloader to handle it.
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Actually it worked. I have in my M.2 the OS X, plus MsOffice 365 and all apps. In the SATA SSD I've made with BOOTCAMP a partition and installed Windows 10. The other partition is just used as storage. Just wanted to share my experience.Many thanks for your replies. Appreciated.
THANK YOU I swapped to AMD and could t figure out why my M. 2 wasn't showing up turned out I was installing it in the NVME slot not the sata slot sigh and I asked the manufacturer and they couldn't straight up tell me why gen 4 and gen 3 slot was different and why they just told me that the slot didn't support sata ssd
I have quite old but really good platform ASUS P9X79 with Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2 and 4x4GB RAM Quad Channel G.SKILL memory. Now I do have SATA 6GBs connections on motherboard and I do have four PCIe 3.0 16x slots (3 are empty). There is also PCIe 2.0 1x which is no use to me. What do you suggest. Stay with SATA 6Gbs or buy some kind of controller PCIe 3.0 x16 for M.2 PCIe NVMe drives?
I am using Asus h97 plus main board. Main board specs says m. 2 type 3, with M key 2260,2280. I am confused which kind of m. 2 drive should I use.
You can use either. Full specs from ASUS website says:
1 x M.2 Socket 3, , with M Key, type 2260/2280 storage devices support ( *_both SATA & PCIE mode_* )
Source: www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/H97PLUS/specifications/
How to enable NVMe protocol in gigabyte bios ?
Good explanation. thanks!
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I have tablette dell venue 11 pro, it has ssd m2 sata, and I bought a ssd m2 nvme samsung 980pro, i didn't know, i ask you if i can change the hard drive of my dell by ssd samsung 980pro using a adaptor help me please.
I have a crucial M2 SATA, now I'm upgrading to another laptop which is using PCI gen3x4 ports with a M2 nvme already inserted. Can I add the M2 SATA to the other slot or it won't work at all?
Is the Samsung 980 Pro M.2 compatible with mother board that uses SATA drive? Dell g7