@1:04 Do not ever EVER use that sound effect again! I was listening to this video while working on another pc and I think my heart skipped from Windows PTSD. 😆
Briefly explained! I am very thankful to you for making this video. SUGGESTION: Add chapters (Time lapse) in this video. It will also rank on their chapters keyword on Google which will increase your reach to your Targeted Audience. This video help me alot. Now I have knowledge about SSD I think it will help a lot of people who are struggling with SSD Differences. *Add chapters.
I believe you have omitted an important & easy to identify fact how it is very easy to identify if you have a M.2 SATA or a M.2 NVMe; The M.2 SATA always has a so-called M Key and a B Key (thus 2x gaps on the connector) whilst the NVMe only has the M Key (thus only 1x gap) Fun fact: you can sometimes use & insert a M2. SATA into a M.2 NVMe slot []-)
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for - thank you for explaining TBW and TLC QLC etc - this really explains everything the lay person should consider when buying an NVMe SSD
A good trick if your PC has a PCIE 3.0 NVMe connector, is to put a PCIe 4.0 NVMe in it. Those drives are designed to run at the faster speeds so when you run them at the slower PCIe 3.0 speed, they don't overheat. And the PCIe 4.0 drives have dropped so much in price that they are close to the same price as the 3.0 versions.
Incredible video. I learned so much today. It would be good you could make a video explaining why nmve drives are not detected in some motherboards. Many motherboards provide up to 3 Nvme M2 onboard slots but you can't populate them all because some PCIe slots get disabled on the motherboards and if there is a PCIe cards in those slots it prevents your nvme M2 drive from being detected. I watched many videos on this subject but there isn't one that provide a rue of thumb on how to get to use all your Nvme M2 slots due to channels sharing and other. I suppose that every motherboard is unique and probably hard to provide a generic explanation. Thank you.
I have thumbed over about a hundred offerings on the Tube, knowing that all of them are gonna strech this old boomers brain completely out of proportion. (I do know that performance means heat. lol ). It was providence that made this the first one I've watched. It will give me a more clear understanding of these storages and speeds. This was so informative and concise that I no longer fear or dread delving into more. particularly vis a vis matching the device to my needs. Seems for me, less is gonna be more. Subbed immediately.
Hi I want to buy a fast and longevity SSD so I saw on UA-cam and some people say that NVMe is "short life" and sometimes "crash" your desktop. I am doubt , I don't know what type of SSD to buy , i want only fast and longevity, I don't care about prize ,i care only two things: lifespan, longevity and very fast . Thank you
not me doing a bit of research before buying an NVME ssd to upgrade ma boot drive... the motherboard website says PCie Gen3 is supported so One got just that, after over 16hrs of back and forth One finally saw that there is a current BIOS update out but its a beta so its a no go
Regarding sata ssd's, would there be any benefit to having a Sata III M.2 ssd connected through an adapter to the PCIE Gen 3 slot on the motherboard instead of having a Sata III ssd connected through the regular sata port/connector? Would the PCIE connection offer any less latency than the sata port connect? There seem to be hundreds of videos on youtube and thousands of articles on the internet about Sata SSD's but I have not come across any addressing this question, not in the slightest. I am asking because I am considering options on an old computer also because this channel is viewed by a lot of very knowledgeable viewers not to mention the owner. Any suggestions? Please help. Thank you.
I'm about to go buy a WD black 2tb sn850x for my 2023 Lenovo legion pro 5... Should be nice I have some crap gen 3 in there right now... This lt has a i7 13700hx with 16gb of ddr5 RAM at 5200mhz and a 4070...
You also forgot to mention to check the cpu spec to see if it can handle the PCIe usage. The MB may have slots and lanes, but can the CPU support the config you want.
Thank you for this very informative video. Here is the scenario: i want to buy one of those NVME pcie m.2 drives to use instead of the normal USB stick, so am also getting an enclosure with a usb type a, what i wanna do is partition this drive to 2 partitions and use one of them to install a linux os to take it with me, am not looking at something over 256GB. Question is: will this be a better drive over using a normal usb stick, since i will be using the nvme with a usb type a and connected directly to the MB to launch the OS? Thank you for your time.
Can you help me with one question: I have MacBook Pro M1 and I also bought OWC Thunderbolt 4 Dock for giving my MacBook more ports with different PCIe controllers. And now I want to buy FireCuda 350 2 Tb NVME m.2 and an ACASIS USB4/Thunderbolt 3 enclosure. Can I reach something about 2500-3100 Gb/s with this gear on my MacBook Pro M1?
if my current motherboard has m.2 that can handle gen 3x4, and i buy gen 4x4 card, it will be limited in speed but when and if i get a new motherboard that can use gen 4x4 m.2's than i can just move that card onto new motherboard right?
A year later and it's not really true that gen 3 immediately bottlenecks a gen 4 drive. There's cheaper gen 4 drives slower than fast gen 3 ones and anything requiring decompression like game data struggles to use more than 2xSATA bandwidth, even with Direct I/O. So fast gen 4 hasn't delivered in practice. Mostly gen 4 has only real noticeable performance gains in niche usage. NVME M2 have thermal dissipating stickers, NAND likes some heat, it's the controller that needs to cool. The high performance drives tend to have heatsinks, but a lower performance drive is often very power efficient and there's no need for one the thermal sticker spreads sufficiently. That said an NVME under a GPU might benefit from the heat shield of a spreader, but the topic is debatable and testing is preferable to hand waving. In a well ventilated ATX case I have not seen any NVME heating issue, just slightly warmer than a mostly idle SATA 2.5" SSD. Are many users self inflicting heat problems, using performance mode on CPU, turning all power saving off and aesthetic cases with bad thermals? OEM systems are notorious for heat, as are the high end Intel CPUs. Because the performance drives I have used have adequate heat sink included. It's easy with a GPU to heat a case up above 50C and then suffer stutters due to bad configuration. I make sure to mix in fresh cool air with GPU exhaust AND have intake and exhaust fan responding to CPU & GPU sensor via open source package FanControl, that lets you recognise a system under load needs to push air.
For 3rd gen nvme SSDs the cooling story is complete BS. For 4th gen SSDs the example cooler is BS too, any cheap cooler will be fine for 99% of the home PCs.
You're misusing word "layer" for flash cell types. It's "level" that stands for "L" in those abbreviations and it is related to the amount of charge levels (electrons trapped) that are distinguishable for a cell. SLC is either "there's no charge" or "there's a charge" representing 0/1. For QLC it is 2 to the power of 4 different charge levels = 16 states distinguished meaning such cell is capable of storing 4 bits of information. For MLC it is 4 states, TLC - 8 states. The more levels you try to distinguish the smaller difference between them and thus more error prone it becomes. Nevertheless it's all about "levels", not "layers". As for "layers" - nowadays it's typically refers to the amount of individual cells that are distinguished in a single 3D NAND cylindrical vertical element - which is the main way to scale NAND flash capacities lately vs. using good old "planar NAND".
@@sawomirmoc2006 Amount of disk space on the SSD is not related to the presence or absence of the internal DRAM buffer/cache. Amount of space is more tied to the type of flash used (mostly TLC vs QLC nowadays) and controller capabilities + firmware settings used. "Industrial" SSDs tend to allocate more space for "reserve area" to be used as replacements for worn-out/defective cells. "Consumer/SOHO" grade SSDs tend to prioritize user-accessible space over resilience. Thus, given that you've got, let's say, 512GiB of flash storage available on-chips you'll end up with different user accesible capacities, like 512GB vs 500GB with latter having bigger "reserve" and in theory higher resilience. As for DRAMless thingy - it's more about controller and its capabilities. Lower end controllers are designed in a way to be able to operate without DRAM cache (or using built-in small amount of DRAM for some models). Being low end these also tend to have less channels to communicate with flash chips and less execution cores to perform work duties. Middle and high end controllers in contrary typically have more computational cores and more flash chips communication channels. To fully leverage these capabilities it is almost strictly required to use large amount of fast RAM thus such controllers are 99.9% of the time require use of DRAM buffer/cache. Most important thing this buffer is used for is to store so-called "translation table" mapping LBA "sectors" to actual chip/row/col of the flash storing the data. This table is the central facility helping to implement wear-leveling techniques and SLC cache. Another big use of DRAM buffer is to aggregate several small writes to device into a single bigger block before actually commiting the write to the flash chips.
I think you missed one more important point: Drives with DRAM cache vs DRAM-less drives. The latter is obviously much cheaper and offers lower performance and durability for most use cases. Both types of drives are still much much faster than any HDD, so if you are on a budget, a DRAM-less driver is still a good upgrade over an HDD.
Good point. Drives like the WD SN550/570 and the Samsung 980 are DRAM-less drive that offers decent price to capacity and still get NVME performance. The drives uses part of the NAND as cache for writing and reading data. So once the cache gets used up/fills up. The performance will have the fall off the cliff effect. But it still faster than the SATA SSD and way faster than a HDD. Great as a Boot/OS drive and for games. The typical user won't know the difference between the SATA SSD and NVME thou. If really on a tight budget. The SATA SSD is hard to beat in terms of price to capacity.
but what if youre not on a budget but if a budget nvme can do the job that a high end can do if you arent focusing on editing or something, do you just get the cheapest pcie4 nvme?
@@WilFitzz You're fine getting the DRAM-less drive amigo. This goes for regular SSDs too not just NVMe SSDs. I'd argue that you don't need DRAM even if you're constantly opening and closing programs, using a lot of different programs. I think that's what they call power-users. DRAM is more important when you're reading/writing large files often like a video editor would do. Or if you absolutely have to have the fastest shit but that's want, not need. I currently use DRAM-less SSDs in some of my laptops and most of my business PCs and they work just fine! What makes a much bigger diff is what PCIE gen the drive is. So if u can get Gen 4, get that. (Gen 5 is supposed to arrive this yr 😎) P.S. - Don't get the cheapest Gen 4 either. A cheap ass drive is a crappy drive.
@@zerocal76 I was looking at the Kingston nv2, is that a bad drive? Its cheap and gen4! But if i were to go for a safe option id go for crucial p5 plus or rocket 4.0 (depends on the UK market they jump up and down in price) but yeah what do you think of the Kingston nv2 and the other drives mentioned?
Too bad we didn't hear anything about DRAM vs DRAM-less SSDs. The latter you really want to avoid if you look for performance. The market is full of cheaper SSDs without DRAM cache.
Rarely make a comment but your videos are exceptionally good, seen many of your videos about NAS and the content is satisfying while you keep it simple and informative. I have a question regarding the heat and a NAS. Will a heatsink fit in for example a synology 920+? Is it even needed in a NAS? Wish you good luck and many subscribers
Hello, i tried installing an NVME M.2 PCIE 4gen ssd of 4 to on my MSI motherboard and it didn't work out, my bios don't even open and my monitor show black screen when powering my pc on. Can you please help me with this ? thank you!
I have 2 mvme drives (samsung 970 evo) as read-only cache installed in my Qnap nas. One drive reported as failed and not working anymore. Now i want to use the good drive for something else in a Windows pc. I can not format both drives. In Windows-drive-management i can see 6 partitions and some unalocated space. I can remove all partitions so i have all space available. Then i can create a new simple volume. The drive will be formated automaticaly as NTFS. HOWEVER !!!! when ejecting the drive and plugging the drive in again all partitions are still present like nothing has been done. I did try this on both the good drive and the bad-reported drive but still all 6 partions still are there. Question: How can i format a cache-drive (mvme m2) from a Qnap-nas to a regular NTFS storage drive for Windows(10)? Thank you
Be aware that if you order a T500 from Crucial they struggle with stock and will mess you around massively on delivery times. I ordered 26th Dec 23 and have only just been told that my royal mail 24 delivery will be delivered around the 29th jan 24 ???? waste of space and never again Crucial. Maybe look at Samsung people.
I’m learning more now in 1 video than I have in the last 30. Also a shoutout to the badasses in the comments adding more valuable information! Thank you everyone!!
i installed nvme cache so I could get higher performance on small files being transferred, it doesn't do shit and these guides are all bullcrap. small files still running at 9MB/sec, large files 100MB/sec
Robbie, Excellent preparation & delivery. Thanks for the solid education info on SSD SATA vs NVMe and the different NVMe's. Now I know the correct NVMe's to purchase.
@@nascompares Hi I want to buy a fast and longevity SSD so I saw on UA-cam and some people say that NVMe is "short life" and sometimes "crash" your desktop. I am doubt , I don't know what type of SSD to buy , i want only fast and longevity, I don't care about prize ,i care only two things: lifespan, longevity and very fast . Thank you
alot od the reason these get hot externally is lack of power none of the external cases for type A and C setups have external power to give the amps it needs which alsows the drive down and makes it work harder and heat up alot.. how ever thunderbolt cases that are non powered same problem but thunderbolt drives with extenral powersource run faster and cooler because they are getting the amps they need to run proplerly internal nvme drives run faster and cooler because insdie the computer they get all the amps they need as well as faster buss lines as well so they can peak out properly , the excessive heat slows your drives not so much as a protection feature its because they are throttleing due to over heat and they have to slow down because they are trying to draw the power they dont have access to and repeated times over overstressing them will fry them been there done that interal wise i have never once had any problems on light or heavey loads .. you did have some good info on there tho and its near impossible to every bit of info in one video that i know my self so over all pretty good job on the video
You are my number 1 channel when it comes to hard drives of all kind. Thank you for taking your time teaching us how to understand this field and how to make the best decision when it comes to what we would need.
I went with a samsung 970 plus with dram 1tb for a little less than I could have a got a cheaper 2tb ssd for my laptop, I didnt really need 2tb but the longevity and better performance was what counted. No regrets , my laptop is now very responsive. I am considering getting a bigger drive for an external nvme enclosure ( I used my old 1tb drive in that for now as it still worked ok for that but was playing up in laptop ), I will probably just go for a cheap one there as I wont really use it that much.
3 minutes in and i have already noted 2 incorrect bits of information. Sata is not as old as hard drives, not even remotely close. and PCIe is not as old as you imply even if saying decades is not technically incorrect both started development in the early 2000's and came out in the mid-2000s My first several PCs had neither. My high school PCs I built had PCI for expansion cards and AGP for video cards and IDE dives. In fact, they both came out within a couple years of the first 64 bit CPU.
A bit hard to follow, but still good to know. What I'm really trying to determine is what to look for when searching to purchase an NVME SSD that is compatible with my synology 918+; ( are they all approved by Synology?) And will I see ant performance difference if using it in a home environment. (Basically is it worth even purchasing and installing) Can these SSD's be swapped out into a new NAS if and when my old one becomes obsolete?
i got a computer and sony camera recently and u keep popping up and teaching me everything, thank you so much i was so frustrated. now im watching ur vids for fun, just bought the wrong nvme lmao
Awesome content. I'm looking to upgrade my 240GB NVMe SSD to a 2 or 4TB version. The system it's going in is a Dell Precision 7510 laptop, I wonder if there's enough space to fit one with a heatsink though?!
It bothers me too. It's not mic problem but he should apply some more compression in post to achieve loudness level comparable to other major channels.
Hey nice one for this KNOWLEDGE so much appreciated seriously thx fella now I’m informed to the max & really appreciate the effort with getting it to video top job !👍🏼✅🥇
excellent video!! you've got yourself a new sub. perfectly explained (at least for me). i came with no knowledge of nvme and now i have a pretty good insight of what to buy. thanks a lot. i will look for more in your channel.
I should have watched this before I bought mine, I got myself a nice 530 firecuda gen 4 however my qnap only supports gen 3 lol, o well future-proofing for my next nas
You are not future proofing anything :) Your NAS is connected over network, and that is so slow that it does not matter whether you have the slowest HDDs or the fastest SSDs ;)
Need to replace my system nvme drive for windows - was and WD750 1TB, and I’ve got great performance out of it, but now I need something bigger and might as well go full Gen 4. Any recommendations for long term durability and overall performance? Considering the seagate 530, for the durability or the 980 pro, but I’m open to other suggestions. Looking for Gen 4 2TB drives. MB - x570 MSI creation board
If durability is your concern. 530 2tb is 2550tbw vs 980 pro at 1200tbw. Also 530 write is 6900mb vs 980 Pro at 5100mb. But because 530 is built with better quality nand, e18 controller plus their rescue service they include it does cost more. Im like you. Its an investment go for the market best which is the 530. Many reviews and videos stating this claim. This channel feeds me all of this. Keep up the good work Robbie.
@@phildavis8732 I decided the 530 is overkill for just a system drive and went with the sn850 instead. I’ve had great luck with the sn750 and wd has a good app that’s easy to use… seagate is slowly winning back favor in my mind, but I think the 850 will be fine for my needs. I’ve had the sn750 jammed up for over two years now and it’s still reading at 100% life. I’ve lost more data than I’m comfortable with using Seagate HDD, and while SSD is a different beast altogether, the brand is somewhat tainted in my mind.
@@MrMoviePhoneEx im the opposite. Only have good things to say on hdd. But since I have bought into the FireCuda ssd. Even though it cost more it feels I get more from that investment. Not just spec but the recovery aspect. On my IronWolfs I did loose data. Used their free recovery service and 96% of my deleted data recovered. From that experience I don't have a bad word to say about them. Probably a reason they are the global leaders of most storage sold combined.
@@phildavis8732 to be fair, I used to be a mac guy and my negative experience with seagate drives is entirely because of my negative experiences with Lacie, which may or may not be their fault(meaning seagate). I do use seagate ironwolves now because they are the best I can find for larger (10TB+) drives. But all my client work has double rendundancy backups, cloud support, etc... I'd much rather nab a 530 for a project drive than a system drive anyway. The current sn750 has been great so far and still has 100% rating according to the WD utility app. If I can get the same out of the 850 for a simple system drive I'll be fine. Most of main system components are swapped out every 3-4 years with utility drives on a 5ish to 7 year basis anyway. My setup is too small to warrant off site tape backups so new hard drives are just a fact of life these days. I will say there's about 30 WD Blues and Reds behind me on a shelf that all still boot if needed for archiving, and 3 Lacie big disks loaded in Seagate Barracuda drives that are dead paper weights. Good luck to you, thank you for the conversation :)
One small clarification: the 4-digit length you mentioned is actually the width and length, not just length. So a 2280 is 22mm width by 80mm length.
@1:04 Do not ever EVER use that sound effect again! I was listening to this video while working on another pc and I think my heart skipped from Windows PTSD. 😆
Mate...I'd stop watching now...maybe even, don't watch any of my 'Before you Buy' or 'Should you Buy' videos in the last year or so...
The last time i built a computer, PCIe wasn't invented yet (or at least not available in consumer products). This video is helping me tremendously!
Briefly explained! I am very thankful to you for making this video.
SUGGESTION: Add chapters (Time lapse) in this video. It will also rank on their chapters keyword on Google which will increase your reach to your Targeted Audience. This video help me alot. Now I have knowledge about SSD I think it will help a lot of people who are struggling with SSD Differences. *Add chapters.
Maybe add a summary too on say 3 use cases. Gaming, NAS storage, pure performance of building a machine etc and which models/specs to look for
I believe you have omitted an important & easy to identify fact how it is very easy to identify if you have a M.2 SATA or a M.2 NVMe;
The M.2 SATA always has a so-called M Key and a B Key (thus 2x gaps on the connector) whilst the NVMe only has the M Key (thus only 1x gap)
Fun fact: you can sometimes use & insert a M2. SATA into a M.2 NVMe slot []-)
This is EXACTLY what i was looking for - thank you for explaining TBW and TLC QLC etc - this really explains everything the lay person should consider when buying an NVMe SSD
i just love this guy, he explains everything so clearly and its very easy to understand what he says !! thanks brother
This is by far one of the best explanations all in one location! Thank you for the great work you do, it's a huge help!
This video is a credit to the PC enthusiast community. Thank you.
A good trick if your PC has a PCIE 3.0 NVMe connector, is to put a PCIe 4.0 NVMe in it. Those drives are designed to run at the faster speeds so when you run them at the slower PCIe 3.0 speed, they don't overheat. And the PCIe 4.0 drives have dropped so much in price that they are close to the same price as the 3.0 versions.
Thanks, ...good to know when gen 5.0 ssd's becomes cheaper. Gen 4.0 drives run very hot so putting a gen 5.0 in might be a solution.
So much of information packed into one video and so well presented, thanks a ton. Very useful video.
Incredible video. I learned so much today. It would be good you could make a video explaining why nmve drives are not detected in some motherboards. Many motherboards provide up to 3 Nvme M2 onboard slots but you can't populate them all because some PCIe slots get disabled on the motherboards and if there is a PCIe cards in those slots it prevents your nvme M2 drive from being detected. I watched many videos on this subject but there isn't one that provide a rue of thumb on how to get to use all your Nvme M2 slots due to channels sharing and other. I suppose that every motherboard is unique and probably hard to provide a generic explanation. Thank you.
I have thumbed over about a hundred offerings on the Tube, knowing that all of them are gonna strech this old boomers brain completely out of proportion. (I do know that performance means heat. lol ).
It was providence that made this the first one I've watched.
It will give me a more clear understanding of these storages and speeds.
This was so informative and concise that I no longer fear or dread delving into more.
particularly vis a vis matching the device to my needs.
Seems for me, less is gonna be more.
Subbed immediately.
Super interesting. This is going to be interesting to see the changes year on year as they become the status quo.
Thank you for this video. Learned a great deal. I just cannot thank you enough. It was really well done.
“Msata” is also an “M” key with 2 notches rather then 1. That’s the easiest way to distinguish between the two.
Great explanation, but it would have helped if you have added a subway surfer vid on the second half of the screen.
Thanks for the video Aussie/UK Tony Stark, I liked the video and it helped me to understand the lil nuances a little better
Hi
I want to buy a fast and longevity SSD so I saw on UA-cam and some people say that NVMe is "short life" and sometimes "crash" your desktop. I am doubt , I don't know what type of SSD to buy , i want only fast and longevity, I don't care about prize ,i care only two things: lifespan, longevity and very fast .
Thank you
i installed a crucial NVMe 1TB drive but it is not recognised by windows 11. what have i done wrong?
Also you made a post about giveaways but I didn't see the question.
this is a superb video, really helpful, thank you
not me doing a bit of research before buying an NVME ssd to upgrade ma boot drive... the motherboard website says PCie Gen3 is supported so One got just that, after over 16hrs of back and forth One finally saw that there is a current BIOS update out but its a beta so its a no go
Regarding sata ssd's, would there be any benefit to having a Sata III M.2 ssd connected through an adapter to the PCIE Gen 3 slot on the motherboard instead of having a Sata III ssd connected through the regular sata port/connector? Would the PCIE connection offer any less latency than the sata port connect? There seem to be hundreds of videos on youtube and thousands of articles on the internet about Sata SSD's but I have not come across any addressing this question, not in the slightest. I am asking because I am considering options on an old computer also because this channel is viewed by a lot of very knowledgeable viewers not to mention the owner. Any suggestions? Please help. Thank you.
I'm about to go buy a WD black 2tb sn850x for my 2023 Lenovo legion pro 5... Should be nice I have some crap gen 3 in there right now... This lt has a i7 13700hx with 16gb of ddr5 RAM at 5200mhz and a 4070...
The only thing to beat them all, is more RAM. Max it out to the limit, and choose the motherboards highest DIMM slot specs.
Which model would be the best for Synology DS923+?
In a Gen 3 slot would a Gen 4 SSD run cooler than a Gen 3 SSD because the Gen 4 would have newer more energy efficient components?
Brilliant! Really helpful, thanks.
You also forgot to mention to check the cpu spec to see if it can handle the PCIe usage. The MB may have slots and lanes, but can the CPU support the config you want.
sorry coudnt finish cant stand that XP sound thats why sound was disabled on windows
Thank you for this very informative video.
Here is the scenario: i want to buy one of those NVME pcie m.2 drives to use instead of the normal USB stick, so am also getting an enclosure with a usb type a, what i wanna do is partition this drive to 2 partitions and use one of them to install a linux os to take it with me, am not looking at something over 256GB.
Question is: will this be a better drive over using a normal usb stick, since i will be using the nvme with a usb type a and connected directly to the MB to launch the OS?
Thank you for your time.
Can you help me with one question: I have MacBook Pro M1 and I also bought OWC Thunderbolt 4 Dock for giving my MacBook more ports with different PCIe controllers. And now I want to buy FireCuda 350 2 Tb NVME m.2 and an ACASIS USB4/Thunderbolt 3 enclosure. Can I reach something about 2500-3100 Gb/s with this gear on my MacBook Pro M1?
What would be a good m.2 nvme for windows 10 operating system?
if my current motherboard has m.2 that can handle gen 3x4, and i buy gen 4x4 card, it will be limited in speed but when and if i get a new motherboard that can use gen 4x4 m.2's than i can just move that card onto new motherboard right?
not a single word on dram cache vs no dram cache?
A year later and it's not really true that gen 3 immediately bottlenecks a gen 4 drive. There's cheaper gen 4 drives slower than fast gen 3 ones and anything requiring decompression like game data struggles to use more than 2xSATA bandwidth, even with Direct I/O. So fast gen 4 hasn't delivered in practice. Mostly gen 4 has only real noticeable performance gains in niche usage.
NVME M2 have thermal dissipating stickers, NAND likes some heat, it's the controller that needs to cool. The high performance drives tend to have heatsinks, but a lower performance drive is often very power efficient and there's no need for one the thermal sticker spreads sufficiently. That said an NVME under a GPU might benefit from the heat shield of a spreader, but the topic is debatable and testing is preferable to hand waving.
In a well ventilated ATX case I have not seen any NVME heating issue, just slightly warmer than a mostly idle SATA 2.5" SSD.
Are many users self inflicting heat problems, using performance mode on CPU, turning all power saving off and aesthetic cases with bad thermals? OEM systems are notorious for heat, as are the high end Intel CPUs.
Because the performance drives I have used have adequate heat sink included. It's easy with a GPU to heat a case up above 50C and then suffer stutters due to bad configuration. I make sure to mix in fresh cool air with GPU exhaust AND have intake and exhaust fan responding to CPU & GPU sensor via open source package FanControl, that lets you recognise a system under load needs to push air.
its megabits not megabites huge difference there dude
Awesome!
thx, good stuff
TBW = Total Bytes Written
Too late, already bought it.
Since the release of the ps5, many players have switched to the PC for the reason of storage capacity
For 3rd gen nvme SSDs the cooling story is complete BS. For 4th gen SSDs the example cooler is BS too, any cheap cooler will be fine for 99% of the home PCs.
22 minute video in 1 comment
buy a quality mvme ssd
problem solved.
Dude can you please make 10 min long videos only?
Very over complicated explanation lmao
Slow down - you're speaking too fast
You know you can adjust the playback speed right?
.75 works nice without distorting his voice
get off
...of what?
Far and away the best explanation for these little buggers! Thank you, and hello from the States! ❤🤍💙
You're misusing word "layer" for flash cell types. It's "level" that stands for "L" in those abbreviations and it is related to the amount of charge levels (electrons trapped) that are distinguishable for a cell. SLC is either "there's no charge" or "there's a charge" representing 0/1. For QLC it is 2 to the power of 4 different charge levels = 16 states distinguished meaning such cell is capable of storing 4 bits of information. For MLC it is 4 states, TLC - 8 states. The more levels you try to distinguish the smaller difference between them and thus more error prone it becomes. Nevertheless it's all about "levels", not "layers". As for "layers" - nowadays it's typically refers to the amount of individual cells that are distinguished in a single 3D NAND cylindrical vertical element - which is the main way to scale NAND flash capacities lately vs. using good old "planar NAND".
This. That part of the video was unfortunately quite poor from a research standpoint point.
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@@sawomirmoc2006 Amount of disk space on the SSD is not related to the presence or absence of the internal DRAM buffer/cache. Amount of space is more tied to the type of flash used (mostly TLC vs QLC nowadays) and controller capabilities + firmware settings used. "Industrial" SSDs tend to allocate more space for "reserve area" to be used as replacements for worn-out/defective cells. "Consumer/SOHO" grade SSDs tend to prioritize user-accessible space over resilience. Thus, given that you've got, let's say, 512GiB of flash storage available on-chips you'll end up with different user accesible capacities, like 512GB vs 500GB with latter having bigger "reserve" and in theory higher resilience.
As for DRAMless thingy - it's more about controller and its capabilities. Lower end controllers are designed in a way to be able to operate without DRAM cache (or using built-in small amount of DRAM for some models). Being low end these also tend to have less channels to communicate with flash chips and less execution cores to perform work duties. Middle and high end controllers in contrary typically have more computational cores and more flash chips communication channels. To fully leverage these capabilities it is almost strictly required to use large amount of fast RAM thus such controllers are 99.9% of the time require use of DRAM buffer/cache. Most important thing this buffer is used for is to store so-called "translation table" mapping LBA "sectors" to actual chip/row/col of the flash storing the data. This table is the central facility helping to implement wear-leveling techniques and SLC cache. Another big use of DRAM buffer is to aggregate several small writes to device into a single bigger block before actually commiting the write to the flash chips.
I think you missed one more important point: Drives with DRAM cache vs DRAM-less drives. The latter is obviously much cheaper and offers lower performance and durability for most use cases. Both types of drives are still much much faster than any HDD, so if you are on a budget, a DRAM-less driver is still a good upgrade over an HDD.
Good point. Drives like the WD SN550/570 and the Samsung 980 are DRAM-less drive that offers decent price to capacity and still get NVME performance.
The drives uses part of the NAND as cache for writing and reading data. So once the cache gets used up/fills up. The performance will have the fall off the cliff effect. But it still faster than the SATA SSD and way faster than a HDD. Great as a Boot/OS drive and for games.
The typical user won't know the difference between the SATA SSD and NVME thou.
If really on a tight budget.
The SATA SSD is hard to beat in terms of price to capacity.
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but what if youre not on a budget but if a budget nvme can do the job that a high end can do if you arent focusing on editing or something, do you just get the cheapest pcie4 nvme?
@@WilFitzz You're fine getting the DRAM-less drive amigo. This goes for regular SSDs too not just NVMe SSDs. I'd argue that you don't need DRAM even if you're constantly opening and closing programs, using a lot of different programs. I think that's what they call power-users. DRAM is more important when you're reading/writing large files often like a video editor would do. Or if you absolutely have to have the fastest shit but that's want, not need. I currently use DRAM-less SSDs in some of my laptops and most of my business PCs and they work just fine! What makes a much bigger diff is what PCIE gen the drive is. So if u can get Gen 4, get that. (Gen 5 is supposed to arrive this yr 😎) P.S. - Don't get the cheapest Gen 4 either. A cheap ass drive is a crappy drive.
@@zerocal76 I was looking at the Kingston nv2, is that a bad drive? Its cheap and gen4! But if i were to go for a safe option id go for crucial p5 plus or rocket 4.0 (depends on the UK market they jump up and down in price) but yeah what do you think of the Kingston nv2 and the other drives mentioned?
I like how this is the Idiot's Guide because I don't like being called a "beginner"
Dude this video is awesome! This cleared up all of my questions with m.2 SSDs, your ability to explain things in detail is amazing! Appreciate it!
Too bad we didn't hear anything about DRAM vs DRAM-less SSDs. The latter you really want to avoid if you look for performance. The market is full of cheaper SSDs without DRAM cache.
Very enlightening. I appreciate each section being kept brief so I could make it to the end.
at 16:58 sec 2280 is not length .. ..it is width "plus" length 22mmx80mm
Rarely make a comment but your videos are exceptionally good, seen many of your videos about NAS and the content is satisfying while you keep it simple and informative.
I have a question regarding the heat and a NAS. Will a heatsink fit in for example a synology 920+? Is it even needed in a NAS?
Wish you good luck and many subscribers
Hello, i tried installing an NVME M.2 PCIE 4gen ssd of 4 to on my MSI motherboard and it didn't work out, my bios don't even open and my monitor show black screen when powering my pc on. Can you please help me with this ? thank you!
I have 2 mvme drives (samsung 970 evo) as read-only cache installed in my Qnap nas.
One drive reported as failed and not working anymore.
Now i want to use the good drive for something else in a Windows pc.
I can not format both drives.
In Windows-drive-management i can see 6 partitions and some unalocated space.
I can remove all partitions so i have all space available. Then i can create a new simple volume.
The drive will be formated automaticaly as NTFS.
HOWEVER !!!! when ejecting the drive and plugging the drive in again all partitions are still present like nothing has been done.
I did try this on both the good drive and the bad-reported drive but still all 6 partions still are there.
Question: How can i format a cache-drive (mvme m2) from a Qnap-nas to a regular NTFS storage drive for Windows(10)?
Thank you
Be aware that if you order a T500 from Crucial they struggle with stock and will mess you around massively on delivery times. I ordered 26th Dec 23 and have only just been told that my royal mail 24 delivery will be delivered around the 29th jan 24 ???? waste of space and never again Crucial. Maybe look at Samsung people.
I’m learning more now in 1 video than I have in the last 30.
Also a shoutout to the badasses in the comments adding more valuable information!
Thank you everyone!!
i installed nvme cache so I could get higher performance on small files being transferred, it doesn't do shit and these guides are all bullcrap. small files still running at 9MB/sec, large files 100MB/sec
Very good and in depth information about SSDs . Thank you mr
Robbie, Excellent preparation & delivery. Thanks for the solid education info on SSD SATA vs NVMe and the different NVMe's. Now I know the correct NVMe's to purchase.
Cheers buddy
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I want to buy a fast and longevity SSD so I saw on UA-cam and some people say that NVMe is "short life" and sometimes "crash" your desktop. I am doubt , I don't know what type of SSD to buy , i want only fast and longevity, I don't care about prize ,i care only two things: lifespan, longevity and very fast .
Thank you
Great info for newbies. Liked and subbed. Thank you.
great vid, but can you put what you are talking about in images or text next to you, its a lot of info to take in !!
Great video, straigt to business but still comfortable
alot od the reason these get hot externally is lack of power none of the external cases for type A and C setups have external power to give the amps it needs which alsows the drive down and makes it work harder and heat up alot.. how ever thunderbolt cases that are non powered same problem but thunderbolt drives with extenral powersource run faster and cooler because they are getting the amps they need to run proplerly internal nvme drives run faster and cooler because insdie the computer they get all the amps they need as well as faster buss lines as well so they can peak out properly , the excessive heat slows your drives not so much as a protection feature its because they are throttleing due to over heat and they have to slow down because they are trying to draw the power they dont have access to and repeated times over overstressing them will fry them been there done that interal wise i have never once had any problems on light or heavey loads .. you did have some good info on there tho and its near impossible to every bit of info in one video that i know my self so over all pretty good job on the video
You are my number 1 channel when it comes to hard drives of all kind. Thank you for taking your time teaching us how to understand this field and how to make the best decision when it comes to what we would need.
Superb 101 on the topic. Thank you.
how do you know if the card will fit your pc or not?
Excellent. thank you.
I went with a samsung 970 plus with dram 1tb for a little less than I could have a got a cheaper 2tb ssd for my laptop, I didnt really need 2tb but the longevity and better performance was what counted.
No regrets , my laptop is now very responsive.
I am considering getting a bigger drive for an external nvme enclosure ( I used my old 1tb drive in that for now as it still worked ok for that but was playing up in laptop ), I will probably just go for a cheap one there as I wont really use it that much.
Just got the MSI M470 1TB for $99.99 on Newegg. I bought 3 which was the max allowed. They are sold out now.
3 minutes in and i have already noted 2 incorrect bits of information. Sata is not as old as hard drives, not even remotely close. and PCIe is not as old as you imply even if saying decades is not technically incorrect both started development in the early 2000's and came out in the mid-2000s My first several PCs had neither. My high school PCs I built had PCI for expansion cards and AGP for video cards and IDE dives. In fact, they both came out within a couple years of the first 64 bit CPU.
A bit hard to follow, but still good to know. What I'm really trying to determine is what to look for when searching to purchase an NVME SSD that is compatible with my synology 918+; ( are they all approved by Synology?) And will I see ant performance difference if using it in a home environment. (Basically is it worth even purchasing and installing) Can these SSD's be swapped out into a new NAS if and when my old one becomes obsolete?
Gen4 NVME ssds with DRAM Cache allow you to use the full capacity of the drive only Drives with SLC cache take some of the capacity for the cache
i got a computer and sony camera recently and u keep popping up and teaching me everything, thank you so much i was so frustrated. now im watching ur vids for fun, just bought the wrong nvme lmao
Awesome content. I'm looking to upgrade my 240GB NVMe SSD to a 2 or 4TB version. The system it's going in is a Dell Precision 7510 laptop, I wonder if there's enough space to fit one with a heatsink though?!
Brother can you work on your mic improvment pls, it's always low for some reason, also big fan.
It bothers me too. It's not mic problem but he should apply some more compression in post to achieve loudness level comparable to other major channels.
Hey nice one for this KNOWLEDGE so much appreciated seriously thx fella now I’m informed to the max & really appreciate the effort with getting it to video top job !👍🏼✅🥇
excellent video!! you've got yourself a new sub. perfectly explained (at least for me). i came with no knowledge of nvme and now i have a pretty good insight of what to buy. thanks a lot. i will look for more in your channel.
I'm unsure if a heatsink will fit on mine, my slot is under my gpu (specifically my board is a gigabyte aorus ax370 gaming 5)
Wow! What a mine of information about a new type of memory that just seems to be getting more confusing. Thanks for what you have given here ...
Is there a difference between SATA SSDs and PCIes SSDs in terms of longevity and endurance? Or is the difference only in speed and interface?
Thanks
Does it matter if they're "NAS" NVMe or not?
Not really tbh. As long as durability is good (as NAS SSD tend to be) you will be fine, DWPD of 0.7 or higher is excellent
That 2TB seagate expansion card has me questioning
Awesome explanations bro. Thanks ❤
Super helpful. Thanks for the video.
Tramk you for another valuable video
BEST VIDEO EXPLAINING IT ALL - IVE EVER SEEN
Excellent guide. Helped me alot.
AMAZING video.
Thank you for breaking this down. This video does a great job of balancing for general information and details.
Thanks man. Appreciated
I should have watched this before I bought mine, I got myself a nice 530 firecuda gen 4 however my qnap only supports gen 3 lol, o well future-proofing for my next nas
You are not future proofing anything :) Your NAS is connected over network, and that is so slow that it does not matter whether you have the slowest HDDs or the fastest SSDs ;)
Thanks!
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Need to replace my system nvme drive for windows - was and WD750 1TB, and I’ve got great performance out of it, but now I need something bigger and might as well go full Gen 4. Any recommendations for long term durability and overall performance? Considering the seagate 530, for the durability or the 980 pro, but I’m open to other suggestions. Looking for Gen 4 2TB drives.
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If durability is your concern. 530 2tb is 2550tbw vs 980 pro at 1200tbw. Also 530 write is 6900mb vs 980 Pro at 5100mb. But because 530 is built with better quality nand, e18 controller plus their rescue service they include it does cost more. Im like you. Its an investment go for the market best which is the 530. Many reviews and videos stating this claim. This channel feeds me all of this. Keep up the good work Robbie.
@@phildavis8732 I decided the 530 is overkill for just a system drive and went with the sn850 instead. I’ve had great luck with the sn750 and wd has a good app that’s easy to use… seagate is slowly winning back favor in my mind, but I think the 850 will be fine for my needs. I’ve had the sn750 jammed up for over two years now and it’s still reading at 100% life. I’ve lost more data than I’m comfortable with using Seagate HDD, and while SSD is a different beast altogether, the brand is somewhat tainted in my mind.
@@MrMoviePhoneEx im the opposite. Only have good things to say on hdd. But since I have bought into the FireCuda ssd. Even though it cost more it feels I get more from that investment. Not just spec but the recovery aspect. On my IronWolfs I did loose data. Used their free recovery service and 96% of my deleted data recovered. From that experience I don't have a bad word to say about them. Probably a reason they are the global leaders of most storage sold combined.
@@phildavis8732 to be fair, I used to be a mac guy and my negative experience with seagate drives is entirely because of my negative experiences with Lacie, which may or may not be their fault(meaning seagate). I do use seagate ironwolves now because they are the best I can find for larger (10TB+) drives. But all my client work has double rendundancy backups, cloud support, etc... I'd much rather nab a 530 for a project drive than a system drive anyway. The current sn750 has been great so far and still has 100% rating according to the WD utility app. If I can get the same out of the 850 for a simple system drive I'll be fine. Most of main system components are swapped out every 3-4 years with utility drives on a 5ish to 7 year basis anyway. My setup is too small to warrant off site tape backups so new hard drives are just a fact of life these days. I will say there's about 30 WD Blues and Reds behind me on a shelf that all still boot if needed for archiving, and 3 Lacie big disks loaded in Seagate Barracuda drives that are dead paper weights. Good luck to you, thank you for the conversation :)
When speaking of the numbers 2280 etc the 22 means 22mm wide and the 80 is equal to 80mm length.