Yeah. That is true. But they're still making it easier and easier for players even that have played for thousands of hours by making guild bases that have everything you need, oaths for knowledge, deepshore fossils for any enchant, making pve scaling better so monsters aren't as hard, etc.
i dont mean to patronise you but ur being oblivious to the fact that they made this game very casual friendly. Whether thats a good or bad thing is up to players to decide
@QuackQuake im starting to feel like the playerbase is to blame for this, people be complaining about something being too tedious to get and the devs make it less of a hassle in response, that cycle keeps happening until it reaches a point where the game becomes too easy
@@QuackQuakeit’s normal for a game, especially a roguelike, to allow you to do things that were difficult but have become just tedious much more convenient. It also makes sense to get xp and loot from the same thing, though they should definitely pivot towards full dungeons and the world events they’ve been vaguely talking about forever
@@QuackQuake They have to considering the BROKEN voidwalker system that incentivizes gripping weaklings as does the new guild leaderboards. they better reduce the grind if theyre gunna add 20 different systems to shit on new players. tf is the point in taking 3 to 10 hrs for a build if you cant even walk 5 feet off your ship due to voidsweaters and the depths is 200x worse than it was at this time last year due to the aids broodlord and absolutely pointless and freshie grip incentivizing guild leaderboard. deep is falling off. its clearly a massive issue when the meta for pvp is leaving before it happens and sound whoring void tp. lets not even talk about the weapons with 50 different crits like the bladeball sword (pyre) and silentheart freshie jerker (wrymstooth)
my favorite deepwoken bug is when you get put in a wall by random teleports, die, and can't get restored! helps the immersion and fun of the game so much.
It’s so immersive tho, no? I remember when my uncle messed up with his kamui irl and then ended up in his neighbours wall and all his organs immediatly collapsed and he instantly.
a big issue is that loot became very common and all comes from places like diluvian and maestro, both kneejerk reactions to how players felt the game was dead. They traded rarity of weapons for player retention and theyve done this a few times in the past its just a recurring theme tbh. Whenever theres a new weapon expect that when the game gets dead theyll dangle it in front of the players like a carrot on a stick to keep us going until the next big update. In my opinion its a problem because legendary weapons just dominate over every other weapon in most scenarios especially with how common theyve become. In verse 1 youd see a legendary weapon once every other week and now its like everyone runs one. You could make a gale build with heavy but lowkey youd be doing yourself dirty to not use curved, same with pyrekeeper for flame or flame/shadow and etc anyway my point is that making legendaries so common and drop from just 1 area easy to access really killed the buildmaking because now legendary weapons are damn near common for anyone who has a decent pve slot. They dont feel legendary when everyone and their mom has one
I've been saying this a lot but Deepwoken slowly became what the devs didn't want it to be: a grindy, generic, bandit beater with boring progression. The only thing I really enjoy about Deep are the player interactions and the drip u can have
Only reason I've been on deep in the last 2 years was cosplaying. And they still haven't added a transmog system that doesn't involve spending 800 notes per piece, instead they spam dyes on everything and allow you to look like a christmas tree.
Animation Swapping(also known as Anim Stealing and Animation Transfer) is a bug which lets you take the m1 animations of one weapon and transfer them onto another weapon. This bug requires you to have two weapons: the weapon you want the stats of, and the weapon you want the animations of, and any "Wisp" mantra. To perform the glitch, equip the weapon you want the stats of, and then hold out the weapon you want the animations of. Then both click and cast your "Wisp" mantra at the same time. If done correctly, a weapon should appear in your inventory. Then, simply change the stance of your weapon. And now you have the m1s of the second weapon. You still retain crits, stats, and appearance. If the bug is done incorrectly, you lose the ability to swap weapons. To remedy this, simply leave and rejoin. Do not sheathe your weapon after performing the bug, as you lose the animations.
the deepwoken evolution: first, it was really hard to get good enchanted or good hp equipment, you would get some sh like 2 hp leather boots multiplicity, then they buff the enchant rarity by 3x, add laplace (the 3 enchant npc), and enchant stones plus the deepshore fossil come with layer 2. enchants now are just JUNK, i skip enchants in chests like 95% of the times because i can just get a deepshore fossil or get my equipment enchanted with klaris. deepwoken completely obliterated enchants as in value, ppl dont even use them anymore. you were supposed to grind days if you wanted a good enchanted weapon, and even more to get good hp gear. and to GROUND the rarity completely, they add armourer's needle. the grind now is mindless as you said, you just do floor 2 or ferryman (armourer's needle) to be able to do pvp, because if you dont have a 500 hp build you're gonna get whacked in seconds. deepwoken is so done
Grinding isn't skillful or fun, it was always mindless, there wasn't a way to get enchants in a skillful way, you still had to farm the same primadon with the same moveset like 30 times. It's blox fruit gameplay lmao. And there's still the idiotic grind with "legendary" weapons and their rarity is used to justify their increased power, which is yet again bandit beater logic. Enchants should've been sold as this choice you had to make, like most curses. Can your build make use of this enchant? What enchant would be best for your build? Some enchants right now are just braindead damage boosts with little ways to play around them, they don't really fit any builds in particular. Enchants should've never been straight upgrades for the sake of them being "rare", and now that they're not rare they're just lame.
Yeah i liked when there was things to look forward to and not everyone had “legendary” weapons but neither system was good, what they shouldve done was add complex bosses that are actually really hard but are guaranteed to give you something worthwhile. Instead they made everything extremely easy and made the droprates high
when you started talking abt fishing being a good way to get loot, it is. ive gotten a pyre keeper and a imperial staff from fishing and its super safe aswell cause you can just hide your guild base in a really weird spot and just fish in the guild fishing room for easy legendaries aswell, i fish a lot and its the way i level up my fortitude cause if you didnt know everytime you catch a fish it gives you a little fortitude xp
Just to add to this video, remove mantras and elements, and make the m1s a 5 hit combo, then add Shinobi, Dslayer, and Druid to the game (the only 3 "Oaths" you can go)
my favorite deepwoken bug is when you use teleportation and your tp gets stuck in a wall somehow, which means your tp goes like 5 feet from where you started.
I get what you're trying to say but personally, I don't think this would change much for returning players. The only time I actively care about getting loot is when I'm on a maxed out PvE slot finding weapons or godrolls anyway. This change would be amazing for new players though.
Yea, I'm sort of in the same boat. Although the nice part is that even for getting money during progression, exploring would be more encouraged to find gear to sell. And once you want really good gear and you're done with progression, you'd probably fight bosses anyways. I just like the idea of splitting the two to create more variety.
buddy the game isnt easier, players have just completely overrode the grind. When the devs don't make quality of life updates the players complain about progression sucking. and when the devs add something that is actually dangerous or difficult, (ex. mudskipper broodlord) the community enters an uproar of going "ooH bAd uPDatE I cAN geT WIPed" and bitching
I agree with literally everything said. There is NO reason to play anymore. The game is becoming a brainless mush. They added BELL PITY and made it so you can max your entire oath back in 10 knowledge. It's ashame.
i’m not sure about you but when i progress, voidwalkers add a nice change of pace but i’ve been playing the game for 500 hours now and fighting voidwalkers is a fun way to test my build
@@Sam-mb5zf nah most of the time they are annoying in get in the way of a prog attacking when your in the middle of fighting something. void walkers are pests grip them if you can. but i recommend logging and running away cause it makes them mad.
i think balancing between exploring, interractions and thoes things and fighting pvp and pve is what makes a rpg perfect. so the game stays intresting while not losing its charm . i think deepwoken needs to focus a little bit more on thoes fun little interractions cus thoes can impact the way you see the game in the long run .
i dont agree with the loot part, for torso equipment u do chaser or anything else that drop ironsingers for arms, legs and neck you do primadon and for rings you do ferrryman
I feel like there should be an endless mode of divulian or somethibg like that, because for a starter player this game is still extremely difficult... So I think it is better that you guys get more stuff and more uniqueness to areas. Because for me it is just Lone warrior power 8, go to etris, make that my spawn, go back to minityrsa, crypt of unbroken. Grind there until I am power 16 and then go and do bosses until I have everything I want. So sad.
maybe make it more diverse where difrent items spawn and make a new system where items have difrent buffs so people try and get them too. The only 2 boots that are okay right now is star and imperial. If it was made so that brilliant boots had 30% stealth or fur boots had a unique talent (ofc balanced) I think more would farm places like summer isles or meteor isles. These buffs dont even need to be much, just something that you would pick for a special kind of build. Idk tho maybe im yappin
The issue with this is it encourages running around enemies to get loot quickly, but then you’ll try to level up and be told “you should’ve been killing those enemies.” Then you basically need to kill enemies and get loot at the same time, and suddenly there’s the ease of being here being things so separate as 2 since you’ll get to drops super easily. A freshie could not fight anything but sail into a high level island and run to a chest drop. Also, my favorite bug is voidwalkers existing as they are
To be fair the grind was there since the beginning. Getting good gear is always RNG because sometimes you see something with a good as hell 20 HP and 14% Monster armor 💀
See that’s the whole problem.. their progression is so bad you don’t want to do it any longer than you have to. Also I mean the game is getting easier because of their updates, not because I’ve been playing forever
I'd like it if I didn't have to play "Deepwoken" at all and instead could just use a buildmaker to make my build and skip the shitty parts so I can get to the good shit! (braindead chime, upcoming conquest)
we all want deepwoken to just be rogue again quake, i think its too far gone but im here for it ( after thousands of hours id still rather them have classes instead of investment points)
The only method of progression that would work *MOSTLY* well for everyone is either pvp based or storyline based in any game, as PvE will always be optimised to be easy, “exploration” is just an excuse to add random things in the most secluded locations that will then turn into a “go to the wiki and follow the map” and atleast the story mode will have some sort of content to keep the player distracted from them realising they are doing normal progression and boss fights but with a linear path, and for pvp progression, it would work if this game wasn’t perma death, and is probably only slightly better than the PvE experience for most people
What you should complain about more is pve everyone says the hardest pve challenge is the diluvian but for the diluvian you need a min maxed pve build and you spam m1 no actual skill required
Grindy? Yes. Easy? No, not at all, maybe it's easy for you, but any beginning - intermediate player would disagree, there's a reason why the only people who still play deepwoken are the sweaty ultra-fans.
ok, disagree time 1. exp n loot system say, if they seperated progression and gear looting. yes, it would encourage travelling more but it would also ruin one of deepwokens biggest merits of being able to get loot alongside your progression. and uquie loot is already solved with dungeons and bosses(dilluvian armor, storms eye, etc). and getting gear while traveling is already solved also with random islands, of course they dont house the best loot but you can stop by one once in a while and get some loot. 2. Traveling yeah i have no words for this, this shit is mid. but it is kinda solved by random encounters but those are also mid, but there really isnt a good way to solve this as many games also have the same problem. 3. Waiting around i do agree with this, deepbound really dosent fit with deepwokens style as you need to wait around for events to spawn. this could be fixed by adding more exploration content but that will also require you to sacrifice progression for the sake of looting and will just increase your time spent on the game and make it more dreadful. i think a way to fix this is, like you said, something like fishing. or maybe small quests you can do while you wait that grants you additional support for your progression.
I dont think adding chest spawns would do anything good. Cuz its boring lol. Like nothing to fight, no bandits or monsters for free chest? Ehhh I think a better incentive would be to add events where you can only get IF you travel more. So of course, more events that spawn for you specially. Kinda like the bad rep ambush event but like, better. A band-aid fix would be something like you get a multiplier for switching enemies or bosses. Your character might have a dialogue saying "Your potential is limited by your habits" as a sign to hop off dukes pp and go do something else for better loot and exp
Wut are these points 💀; deepbound? All goog plays know prov thorns boss farming is the real method 1 boss for 1 power up taking less than 1 jour for p20
They should make whirlpools that look exactly like the ones that send you to the depths, but instead it sends you to a dungeon that's really hard, you would have to get good then and cant get boosted cuz you can only do the dungeon alone. It would have like duke and maestro and a buncha other hard bosses and mobs like squibbo, and the lore for it would be "Thy strong souls (if you've been playing for a while not lvl or anything) shall not appear in Scyphozia, thou souls shall be enhanced and stronger" (basically they'll give them new stronger moves so the bosses will be insanely harder and if you die you wipe, will be annoying but its meant to be a hard game) theres a chance you get into the dungeon though.
"will be annoying but its meant to be a hard game" The moment you mistake tedium with difficulty is when you game goes to shit. This is what they did with trial difficulty. Something like a bonekeeper with 40k HP that can 3shot you isn't hard because it actually takes skill, it's hard because it's boring as fuck to fight and your mistakes are unfairly punished, it doesn't even feel like an achievement because it's so menial. A hard fight is one that challenges your knowledge and mechanical skill, not your patience or how good you are at memorizing the same attacks over and over. Just throwing 10 bosses at a player isn't only unfair, but it's just not fun, all in the name of "le hard". A hard game needs to be interesting to warrant its difficulty, why don't they actually make some hard enemies with complex movesets that don't rely on being bullet sponges? (because they need to rerelease the game a 3rd time and add league of legends).
bro just go back to rogue lineage, if you dont like the game that much and literally just want it to be another rogue lineage then don't play it... Getting loot and exp from the same thing makes sense because who wouldnt keep their most valuables on them??? And it really shouldn't be changed and along with that scouring the map for like 1 piece of loot would just be more tedious and less fun than it already was. Also on the whole point of "they made pve scaling easier" they haven't added anything exept for chain and starting with more pve dmg for a while now.
the game is in a state where its too hard for new players to get into and its too easy for long term players to keep playing (idfk how to play the game 😭)
I think made a argument about this in a youtube video, but he basically say if you constantly play the game, over and over again, you're bound, at some point to get really skilled in the game
Thats not the point.They made progressing too easy and ultimately killed risk.Ethiron who is supposed to be the current final boss of deep but that shit is so easy that you gotta have 2 extra chromosomes to wipe to Ethiron.
@@lip2018 nobody really cares about the risk to be honest (cause otherwise they wouldn't of asked for luck removal) the game is just boring to play from power 1 to 20
ngl tho i do appreciate you using your voice. i think i last heard it on a video from like 3 years ago that was a tundra guide or smth? i really think you should use it more since not only is it just a good voice to listen to, it also saves you some editing since you dont have to add text to every 5 seconds of your video. of what video? of the uber oni/dragon rider/pilgrim knight/duelist/lich mage/monster hunter/uber illu/uber d sage/maxed out seer edict video.
@@QuackQuake ok fine but what would be really funny is if you made like a duelist progression (probably easiest uber to do) but it had family guy and rick and morty clips playing while subway surfers gameplay was playing too
they gotta overhaul the enitre game dude im gonna be real the combat is bland and you have to wipe your build literally every month or two cause the nerfs/buffs to mantras or talents, the progression is garbage and mindrotting cause it's literally just run laps around every corner of an island until you hear the sound of an event so you can power up, can't forget the brainrotted sea "progression" aka get on a boat and spend 7 minutes sailing to one or two islands and to all of you people saying "deepwoken progression is boring because you played it for a long time" literally a week into the game on it's release i was already getting bored and i had to mentally gaslight myself into thinking ragoozer cooked something wild up cause he made rogue (he ain't cook shit, agility had ZERO combat talent cards on release) nobody likes playing this game from the beginning to the end, not even if you're new to it unless you gaslight yourself or let others gaslight you
"Let's have chests spawn without defeating monsters! So players will explore more!" Exploiters are just gonna use esp to grab all the chests lmao, it would be a great idea otherwise
Too much, too late. They've already trivialized so much stuff in this game, it's not even about "difficulty", it's literally just not needing to play "the game" or interact with the greater part of the game as much. You have everything you need in your guild base, stuff like deluvian and some other "farm" methods give you literally everything you need, brother why would I ever go to a place like summer island anymore besides upgrading lightning mantras? There's literally little to no incentive to interact with the game, it has devolved into a build maker with quick and easy ways to make builds - I think the "quick and easy" is a result of wiping, obviously if progression was still tedious no one would play anymore so instead of acknowledging they slapped on permadeath because "muh rogue lineag", they just dumbed down the entire game so it could better fit with the fact that you can lose 10 hours of gameplay over some BS. And the game expects you to play for another 10 hours because?? It's not like remaking that build will make me immune to bullshit spawns or getting 5v1ed in the depths, the skill ceiling is really fucking low when it comes to general gameplay. There's legit no reason to play anymore, they're giving me no reason to try to engage with the big ass world, doing anything besides the braindead efficient gameplay loop is just shooting yourself in the foot. Experimenting feels awful in this game and is heavily punished. But hey, at least they're adding side gamemodes seeing as no one wants to play the "real" Deepwoken anymore. They're adding "rare" slop people farm for because Deepwoken always strived to be Blox Fruits (farm the same bossfight until your eyes fall off for the shiny rare blade ball weapon). This rant was what I would've said about the game 1 year ago, lmao, it's still exactly the same complaints fromthe community as a whole, but they're just planning to re-release their game a 3rd time with conquest. See you when Deepwoken gets relreleased like a 5th time, maybe by then the gameplay loop will have improved.
there's never a "too late" plenty of games go through massive reworks and still rack players deepwoken is a known game, if the game got reworked literally everyone would hear about it and literally everyone who has the game would go test it out.
@@flappyflap2693 big "if", that "if" is conditioned not by the players but by the sunk cost fallacy devs are experiencing. Do you think they're willing to just turn everything around when they've already doubled down on instanced crap and going down this route? Again, as I've said, maybe the 5th time they re-relrase the game they'll finally go down the original path they had in mind for Deepwoken, until then they gotta release another 3 layer 2 style updates (next one being conquest).
tbf when you play a game for hundreds, or thousands of hours it will become easy.
Yeah. That is true. But they're still making it easier and easier for players even that have played for thousands of hours by making guild bases that have everything you need, oaths for knowledge, deepshore fossils for any enchant, making pve scaling better so monsters aren't as hard, etc.
i dont mean to patronise you but ur being oblivious to the fact that they made this game very casual friendly. Whether thats a good or bad thing is up to players to decide
@QuackQuake im starting to feel like the playerbase is to blame for this, people be complaining about something being too tedious to get and the devs make it less of a hassle in response, that cycle keeps happening until it reaches a point where the game becomes too easy
@@QuackQuakeit’s normal for a game, especially a roguelike, to allow you to do things that were difficult but have become just tedious much more convenient. It also makes sense to get xp and loot from the same thing, though they should definitely pivot towards full dungeons and the world events they’ve been vaguely talking about forever
@@QuackQuake They have to considering the BROKEN voidwalker system that incentivizes gripping weaklings as does the new guild leaderboards. they better reduce the grind if theyre gunna add 20 different systems to shit on new players. tf is the point in taking 3 to 10 hrs for a build if you cant even walk 5 feet off your ship due to voidsweaters and the depths is 200x worse than it was at this time last year due to the aids broodlord and absolutely pointless and freshie grip incentivizing guild leaderboard. deep is falling off. its clearly a massive issue when the meta for pvp is leaving before it happens and sound whoring void tp. lets not even talk about the weapons with 50 different crits like the bladeball sword (pyre) and silentheart freshie jerker (wrymstooth)
my favorite deepwoken bug is when you get put in a wall by random teleports, die, and can't get restored! helps the immersion and fun of the game so much.
That’s my favorite too!
It’s so immersive tho, no? I remember when my uncle messed up with his kamui irl and then ended up in his neighbours wall and all his organs immediatly collapsed and he instantly.
@@lolfoxmaster4870 he instantly
@@toasty2736he’s just a guy that is miraculously
My favourite deepwoken bug is being able to summon Kaido ANYWHERE using kamui. Gotta love ruining Erisia ganks with it.
Dude I love this one
didnt they fix it?
Lowkey best part of kamui
a big issue is that loot became very common and all comes from places like diluvian and maestro, both kneejerk reactions to how players felt the game was dead. They traded rarity of weapons for player retention and theyve done this a few times in the past its just a recurring theme tbh. Whenever theres a new weapon expect that when the game gets dead theyll dangle it in front of the players like a carrot on a stick to keep us going until the next big update. In my opinion its a problem because legendary weapons just dominate over every other weapon in most scenarios especially with how common theyve become. In verse 1 youd see a legendary weapon once every other week and now its like everyone runs one. You could make a gale build with heavy but lowkey youd be doing yourself dirty to not use curved, same with pyrekeeper for flame or flame/shadow and etc
anyway my point is that making legendaries so common and drop from just 1 area easy to access really killed the buildmaking because now legendary weapons are damn near common for anyone who has a decent pve slot. They dont feel legendary when everyone and their mom has one
Cry more.
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I've been saying this a lot but Deepwoken slowly became what the devs didn't want it to be: a grindy, generic, bandit beater with boring progression. The only thing I really enjoy about Deep are the player interactions and the drip u can have
Only reason I've been on deep in the last 2 years was cosplaying. And they still haven't added a transmog system that doesn't involve spending 800 notes per piece, instead they spam dyes on everything and allow you to look like a christmas tree.
Animation Swapping(also known as Anim Stealing and Animation Transfer) is a bug which lets you take the m1 animations of one weapon and transfer them onto another weapon. This bug requires you to have two weapons: the weapon you want the stats of, and the weapon you want the animations of, and any "Wisp" mantra. To perform the glitch, equip the weapon you want the stats of, and then hold out the weapon you want the animations of. Then both click and cast your "Wisp" mantra at the same time. If done correctly, a weapon should appear in your inventory. Then, simply change the stance of your weapon. And now you have the m1s of the second weapon. You still retain crits, stats, and appearance. If the bug is done incorrectly, you lose the ability to swap weapons. To remedy this, simply leave and rejoin. Do not sheathe your weapon after performing the bug, as you lose the animations.
Thanks for the tip broski
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You can mindlessly grind on me quack quake
the deepwoken evolution: first, it was really hard to get good enchanted or good hp equipment, you would get some sh like 2 hp leather boots multiplicity, then they buff the enchant rarity by 3x, add laplace (the 3 enchant npc), and enchant stones plus the deepshore fossil come with layer 2. enchants now are just JUNK, i skip enchants in chests like 95% of the times because i can just get a deepshore fossil or get my equipment enchanted with klaris. deepwoken completely obliterated enchants as in value, ppl dont even use them anymore. you were supposed to grind days if you wanted a good enchanted weapon, and even more to get good hp gear. and to GROUND the rarity completely, they add armourer's needle. the grind now is mindless as you said, you just do floor 2 or ferryman (armourer's needle) to be able to do pvp, because if you dont have a 500 hp build you're gonna get whacked in seconds. deepwoken is so done
Grinding isn't skillful or fun, it was always mindless, there wasn't a way to get enchants in a skillful way, you still had to farm the same primadon with the same moveset like 30 times. It's blox fruit gameplay lmao. And there's still the idiotic grind with "legendary" weapons and their rarity is used to justify their increased power, which is yet again bandit beater logic.
Enchants should've been sold as this choice you had to make, like most curses. Can your build make use of this enchant? What enchant would be best for your build? Some enchants right now are just braindead damage boosts with little ways to play around them, they don't really fit any builds in particular. Enchants should've never been straight upgrades for the sake of them being "rare", and now that they're not rare they're just lame.
Yeah i liked when there was things to look forward to and not everyone had “legendary” weapons but neither system was good, what they shouldve done was add complex bosses that are actually really hard but are guaranteed to give you something worthwhile. Instead they made everything extremely easy and made the droprates high
when you started talking abt fishing being a good way to get loot, it is. ive gotten a pyre keeper and a imperial staff from fishing and its super safe aswell cause you can just hide your guild base in a really weird spot and just fish in the guild fishing room for easy legendaries aswell, i fish a lot and its the way i level up my fortitude cause if you didnt know everytime you catch a fish it gives you a little fortitude xp
ok but who would want to fish for exp unless you're insanely bored
@@flappyflap2693 me tf it’s fun ash it’s way better than the entirety of deepwoken, deepwoken is stale asf and voidwalkers can’t find me
@@flappyflap2693inactive playstyle
Remember in the deepwoken direct four fucking years ago when they did a unique quest to get some loot? What the fuck happened?
tbf that was mostly roleplay but yeah the devs promised a bunch of bs that they never delivered on around the deepwoken direct days
Just to add to this video, remove mantras and elements, and make the m1s a 5 hit combo, then add Shinobi, Dslayer, and Druid to the game (the only 3 "Oaths" you can go)
this is a good idea
They should remove parrying
adding onto this comment delete the entire map and replace the map with gaia
also add baima's well, when u talk to her with 500 kills and 0 lost life overall u get a special spear that procs fire on each hit
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Thank you Quack Quake for offering a potential solution to your complaint instead of just complaining.
Time to make a sacrafise to my Quack Quake shrine due to new video
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my favorite deepwoken bug is when you use teleportation and your tp gets stuck in a wall somehow, which means your tp goes like 5 feet from where you started.
I get what you're trying to say but personally, I don't think this would change much for returning players. The only time I actively care about getting loot is when I'm on a maxed out PvE slot finding weapons or godrolls anyway. This change would be amazing for new players though.
Yea, I'm sort of in the same boat. Although the nice part is that even for getting money during progression, exploring would be more encouraged to find gear to sell. And once you want really good gear and you're done with progression, you'd probably fight bosses anyways. I just like the idea of splitting the two to create more variety.
@@QuackQuake woah quakequake didnt know u had a boat.. is it big?
@@zetthefirst the biggest
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Thank you 😊🙏
buddy the game isnt easier, players have just completely overrode the grind. When the devs don't make quality of life updates the players complain about progression sucking. and when the devs add something that is actually dangerous or difficult, (ex. mudskipper broodlord) the community enters an uproar of going "ooH bAd uPDatE I cAN geT WIPed" and bitching
actually quack quake YOU are becoming a mindless Grind in DEEPWOKEN. . . 💯
super early love ur uploads bro
When rising wind auto wipes you if you use it in the diluvian
I agree with literally everything said. There is NO reason to play anymore. The game is becoming a brainless mush. They added BELL PITY and made it so you can max your entire oath back in 10 knowledge. It's ashame.
Remove void walkers and all problems become instantly solved.
i’m not sure about you but when i progress, voidwalkers add a nice change of pace but i’ve been playing the game for 500 hours now and fighting voidwalkers is a fun way to test my build
@@Sam-mb5zftrue, but they're terrible for new players
@@IneffableMasquerade very true
@@Sam-mb5zf nah most of the time they are annoying in get in the way of a prog attacking when your in the middle of fighting something. void walkers are pests grip them if you can. but i recommend logging and running away cause it makes them mad.
@@-hu1fc i agree but when they aren’t it’s fun
So true quack quake! (I’m only 30 seconds in)
Wait so you want the exp gaining system to be separate from the chests?
i think balancing between exploring, interractions and thoes things and fighting pvp and pve is what makes a rpg perfect. so the game stays intresting while not losing its charm . i think deepwoken needs to focus a little bit more on thoes fun little interractions cus thoes can impact the way you see the game in the long run .
I'd love to see these changes
Maybe make the loot pools for locations more limited.
I’m both happy and sad I’ve never gotten that into Deepwoken
i dont agree with the loot part, for torso equipment u do chaser or anything else that drop ironsingers
for arms, legs and neck you do primadon
and for rings you do ferrryman
Dude this is the Best Idea I've ever seen what
ngl i prog slots to max level as a voidwalker in less that 2 hours and diluvian doesnt give any exp
AA MUSIC = GIGA CHAD
fr. Same for the sts shop music
I feel like there should be an endless mode of divulian or somethibg like that, because for a starter player this game is still extremely difficult... So I think it is better that you guys get more stuff and more uniqueness to areas. Because for me it is just Lone warrior power 8, go to etris, make that my spawn, go back to minityrsa, crypt of unbroken. Grind there until I am power 16 and then go and do bosses until I have everything I want. So sad.
I think there's a lot of holes in this system but this would be a good change if it was well thought out.
Mr quack quake can you explain why you don't do solo Uber class?
Is this extremely hard?
(Im new to rogue)
they are really hard
You get jumped in khei a lot so it’s super hard to progress without some friends
maybe make it more diverse where difrent items spawn and make a new system where items have difrent buffs so people try and get them too. The only 2 boots that are okay right now is star and imperial. If it was made so that brilliant boots had 30% stealth or fur boots had a unique talent (ofc balanced) I think more would farm places like summer isles or meteor isles. These buffs dont even need to be much, just something that you would pick for a special kind of build.
Idk tho maybe im yappin
I agree with this
you're yapping hard maybe they'll work on this by the time they re-release the game a 5th time, until then enjoy conquest ig
What if they removed voidwalker but they integrated town bounties into the progression, i just dont like grasp of eylis
So far I...kinda agree,getting chests only from combat encounters indeed seems boring,same as bosses not having unique drops.
u can try shinobi lineage but most of the ultras there are actual bots
why not both?
ngl if they want to make deepwoken faster at progging, just make it easier to die (permadeath having a use????????)
Real
The issue with this is it encourages running around enemies to get loot quickly, but then you’ll try to level up and be told “you should’ve been killing those enemies.” Then you basically need to kill enemies and get loot at the same time, and suddenly there’s the ease of being here being things so separate as 2 since you’ll get to drops super easily. A freshie could not fight anything but sail into a high level island and run to a chest drop.
Also, my favorite bug is voidwalkers existing as they are
True. I think there’s a way they could make it work though.
@@QuackQuakesend this vid to the deepwoken dev team 🗣🗣🗣
Well whenever you have hundreds of hours on a game it always becomes easier/less interesting in most cases
LET THIS
GUY COOK OMG
and it wasnt during verse 1? why are you acting like its a problem now?
miners landing has the most chest spawns and probably most valuable (it's still mid)
Why is he speaking so fact
To be fair the grind was there since the beginning.
Getting good gear is always RNG because sometimes you see something with a good as hell 20 HP and 14% Monster armor 💀
Its the same with rouge lineage, exept it just involves players more instead of npc’s. And rng when you try to not die by a ultra
literally rogue lineage trinkets but with chests :3
(buff fishing tho)
maybe they should make trinkets instead of chests
I feel like deep shouldve done what rogue did with trinkets spawning in random locations so notes are more valuable and rare.
notes literally dont do that much
deepwoken has this problem if it doesnt fit the lore, they most likely wont add it or change the lore so they're apparently very restricted
the devs dont even know the lore what lore 💀
if it adds more time to proging then i don't like it also about it being easy how much time do you have on this game
See that’s the whole problem.. their progression is so bad you don’t want to do it any longer than you have to.
Also I mean the game is getting easier because of their updates, not because I’ve been playing forever
I'd like it if I didn't have to play "Deepwoken" at all and instead could just use a buildmaker to make my build and skip the shitty parts so I can get to the good shit! (braindead chime, upcoming conquest)
@@pantommy that is all i play true
@@QuackQuake true
@@pantommy Real
q-q-q-q-q-QUACK VOICE!??!?
😳😳😳
*Deepwoken has been a mindless grind
couple typos, so heres a fixed version!
You’re banned
HAS BEEN?!???!! HAZBIN HOTEL?!?!?!
real
we all want deepwoken to just be rogue again quake, i think its too far gone but im here for it ( after thousands of hours id still rather them have classes instead of investment points)
The only method of progression that would work *MOSTLY* well for everyone is either pvp based or storyline based in any game, as PvE will always be optimised to be easy, “exploration” is just an excuse to add random things in the most secluded locations that will then turn into a “go to the wiki and follow the map” and atleast the story mode will have some sort of content to keep the player distracted from them realising they are doing normal progression and boss fights but with a linear path, and for pvp progression, it would work if this game wasn’t perma death, and is probably only slightly better than the PvE experience for most people
i love you my pookie bear.
It’s kinda a sandbox game now
i play this game for the pvp and build making. ion gaf abt loot
that ending outro sounded like kairosoft music
kairobotica....
beastie bay kairosoft
@@QuackQuake I KNEW I RECOGNIZED IT FROM KAIROSOFT!!!
@@cj1e417 A fellow kairosoft enjoyer
What you should complain about more is pve everyone says the hardest pve challenge is the diluvian but for the diluvian you need a min maxed pve build and you spam m1 no actual skill required
3:07 what song is this???
Faron woods from Zelda twilight princess
myself personally, stop playing deepwoken till they re-add verse 1
Don't Worry Conquest Will Revive It 😜
I mean bro ain’t wrong
voidwalkers should get kicked out of the faction after failing enough contracts AND if they don't do bounties for a long time they also get kicked out
The change is way too late to implement into the game. Maybe they could heavily buff chests that spawn around the map and keep the chests from mobs.
Wait…. I think Quack is on to something… 😧
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!
@@QuackQuake but you’re definitely on to something…
Grindy? Yes. Easy? No, not at all, maybe it's easy for you, but any beginning - intermediate player would disagree, there's a reason why the only people who still play deepwoken are the sweaty ultra-fans.
you can sit at erisia and hit max level einstein
Quack quake face reveal at 1 billion subs?
Real
can you update your game please and thank you senor
Don't worry, they won't fix anything.
always has
ok, disagree time
1. exp n loot system
say, if they seperated progression and gear looting. yes, it would encourage travelling more but it would also ruin one of deepwokens biggest merits of being able to get loot alongside your progression.
and uquie loot is already solved with dungeons and bosses(dilluvian armor, storms eye, etc). and getting gear while traveling is already solved also with random islands, of course they dont house the best loot but you can stop by one once in a while and get some loot.
2. Traveling
yeah i have no words for this, this shit is mid. but it is kinda solved by random encounters but those are also mid, but there really isnt a good way to solve this as many games also have the same problem.
3. Waiting around
i do agree with this, deepbound really dosent fit with deepwokens style as you need to wait around for events to spawn. this could be fixed by adding more exploration content but that will also require you to sacrifice progression for the sake of looting and will just increase your time spent on the game and make it more dreadful. i think a way to fix this is, like you said, something like fishing. or maybe small quests you can do while you wait that grants you additional support for your progression.
I dont think adding chest spawns would do anything good. Cuz its boring lol. Like nothing to fight, no bandits or monsters for free chest? Ehhh
I think a better incentive would be to add events where you can only get IF you travel more. So of course, more events that spawn for you specially. Kinda like the bad rep ambush event but like, better.
A band-aid fix would be something like you get a multiplier for switching enemies or bosses.
Your character might have a dialogue saying "Your potential is limited by your habits" as a sign to hop off dukes pp and go do something else for better loot and exp
Deeowoken 👍
daddy quack
Wut are these points 💀; deepbound? All goog plays know prov thorns boss farming is the real method 1 boss for 1 power up taking less than 1 jour for p20
They should make whirlpools that look exactly like the ones that
send you to the depths, but instead it sends you to a dungeon that's really hard, you would have to get
good then and cant get boosted cuz you can only do the dungeon alone. It would have like duke and
maestro and a buncha other hard bosses and mobs like squibbo, and the lore for it would be
"Thy strong souls (if you've been playing for a while not lvl or anything) shall not appear in
Scyphozia, thou souls shall be enhanced and stronger" (basically they'll give them new stronger
moves so the bosses will be insanely harder and if you die you wipe, will be annoying but its meant to be a hard game) theres a chance you get into the dungeon though.
"will be annoying but its meant to be a hard game"
The moment you mistake tedium with difficulty is when you game goes to shit. This is what they did with trial difficulty.
Something like a bonekeeper with 40k HP that can 3shot you isn't hard because it actually takes skill, it's hard because it's boring as fuck to fight and your mistakes are unfairly punished, it doesn't even feel like an achievement because it's so menial. A hard fight is one that challenges your knowledge and mechanical skill, not your patience or how good you are at memorizing the same attacks over and over. Just throwing 10 bosses at a player isn't only unfair, but it's just not fun, all in the name of "le hard". A hard game needs to be interesting to warrant its difficulty, why don't they actually make some hard enemies with complex movesets that don't rely on being bullet sponges? (because they need to rerelease the game a 3rd time and add league of legends).
@@pantommy I meant new moves like dashes and actual good movement cuz I said "make the boss harder" and op attacks
bro just go back to rogue lineage, if you dont like the game that much and literally just want it to be another rogue lineage then don't play it... Getting loot and exp from the same thing makes sense because who wouldnt keep their most valuables on them??? And it really shouldn't be changed and along with that scouring the map for like 1 piece of loot would just be more tedious and less fun than it already was. Also on the whole point of "they made pve scaling easier" they haven't added anything exept for chain and starting with more pve dmg for a while now.
also on a sidenote, you called deluvian pvp and you didn't even cut it out 🤨🤨
mf the game was promised to be similar to rogue GOOF 😭
the game is in a state where its too hard for new players to get into and its too easy for long term players to keep playing (idfk how to play the game 😭)
This is so real
@@QuackQuake whats worse is that im bad at the game even though i played since release
@@jaevernyong826 now this may come as a surprise but like you may or may not just suck at PVP games in general
@@flappyflap2693 im pretty good at type soul though, im pretty sure im just scared of the concept of wiping lmao
Quack how do i get good ping please answer 😭😭😭
make a shrine of me 😔
@@QuackQuake Quack this is serious please i beg you 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@PinneapleheadcatI think you need GEARUP BOOSTER FOR BETTER PING IN DEEPWOKEN
@@dnfboss9304 yay -5 ms so good
Hi my bestie
Hi bestieeee
#quack quake for deepwoken dev
Omg quack your opinion is always right and never wrong I love you please let me give you my first baby pls
What the sigma
Becoming??? Go play Rouge Brodie
I think made a argument about this in a youtube video, but he basically say if you constantly play the game, over and over again, you're bound, at some point to get really skilled in the game
Thats not the point.They made progressing too easy and ultimately killed risk.Ethiron who is supposed to be the current final boss of deep but that shit is so easy that you gotta have 2 extra chromosomes to wipe to Ethiron.
@@lip2018 nobody really cares about the risk to be honest (cause otherwise they wouldn't of asked for luck removal) the game is just boring to play from power 1 to 20
dont care, do all uber progression in rogue lineage (i will NEVER stop saying this.)
ngl tho i do appreciate you using your voice. i think i last heard it on a video from like 3 years ago that was a tundra guide or smth? i really think you should use it more since not only is it just a good voice to listen to, it also saves you some editing since you dont have to add text to every 5 seconds of your video. of what video?
of the uber oni/dragon rider/pilgrim knight/duelist/lich mage/monster hunter/uber illu/uber d sage/maxed out seer edict video.
I am NOT doing the ubers
@@QuackQuake ok fine but what would be really funny is if you made like a duelist progression (probably easiest uber to do) but it had family guy and rick and morty clips playing while subway surfers gameplay was playing too
they gotta overhaul the enitre game dude im gonna be real the combat is bland and you have to wipe your build literally every month or two cause the nerfs/buffs to mantras or talents, the progression is garbage and mindrotting cause it's literally just run laps around every corner of an island until you hear the sound of an event so you can power up, can't forget the brainrotted sea "progression" aka get on a boat and spend 7 minutes sailing to one or two islands and to all of you people saying "deepwoken progression is boring because you played it for a long time" literally a week into the game on it's release i was already getting bored and i had to mentally gaslight myself into thinking ragoozer cooked something wild up cause he made rogue (he ain't cook shit, agility had ZERO combat talent cards on release) nobody likes playing this game from the beginning to the end, not even if you're new to it unless you gaslight yourself or let others gaslight you
Finally someone gets it 😭
It's not easy just boring. They should make it even easier so atleast we won't need to prog too long.
more of quack quakes SIGMA voice
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this video is fire
this is why rogue better
I hate how much they buffed guild base so much man
Especially the banker. 0% chance you get good loot from anyone. Also I dont get why relics dont drop on death, they probably should.
Seriously…
"Let's have chests spawn without defeating monsters! So players will explore more!" Exploiters are just gonna use esp to grab all the chests lmao, it would be a great idea otherwise
....sir,thats the anti-cheat,if exploiters are an issue,they should improve the anti cheat
batman when was the last time you saw a exploiter
yeah cause the exploiters are actually the great evil of this entire game excluding the 80% legit players
its to the point where rogue lineage is more fun than deepwoken...
yk it's really been like that since the start gonna be real
Too much, too late. They've already trivialized so much stuff in this game, it's not even about "difficulty", it's literally just not needing to play "the game" or interact with the greater part of the game as much. You have everything you need in your guild base, stuff like deluvian and some other "farm" methods give you literally everything you need, brother why would I ever go to a place like summer island anymore besides upgrading lightning mantras?
There's literally little to no incentive to interact with the game, it has devolved into a build maker with quick and easy ways to make builds - I think the "quick and easy" is a result of wiping, obviously if progression was still tedious no one would play anymore so instead of acknowledging they slapped on permadeath because "muh rogue lineag", they just dumbed down the entire game so it could better fit with the fact that you can lose 10 hours of gameplay over some BS. And the game expects you to play for another 10 hours because?? It's not like remaking that build will make me immune to bullshit spawns or getting 5v1ed in the depths, the skill ceiling is really fucking low when it comes to general gameplay. There's legit no reason to play anymore, they're giving me no reason to try to engage with the big ass world, doing anything besides the braindead efficient gameplay loop is just shooting yourself in the foot. Experimenting feels awful in this game and is heavily punished.
But hey, at least they're adding side gamemodes seeing as no one wants to play the "real" Deepwoken anymore. They're adding "rare" slop people farm for because Deepwoken always strived to be Blox Fruits (farm the same bossfight until your eyes fall off for the shiny rare blade ball weapon). This rant was what I would've said about the game 1 year ago, lmao, it's still exactly the same complaints fromthe community as a whole, but they're just planning to re-release their game a 3rd time with conquest. See you when Deepwoken gets relreleased like a 5th time, maybe by then the gameplay loop will have improved.
there's never a "too late" plenty of games go through massive reworks and still rack players deepwoken is a known game, if the game got reworked literally everyone would hear about it and literally everyone who has the game would go test it out.
@@flappyflap2693 big "if", that "if" is conditioned not by the players but by the sunk cost fallacy devs are experiencing. Do you think they're willing to just turn everything around when they've already doubled down on instanced crap and going down this route?
Again, as I've said, maybe the 5th time they re-relrase the game they'll finally go down the original path they had in mind for Deepwoken, until then they gotta release another 3 layer 2 style updates (next one being conquest).
dont play it then