I have this plane and it is one of my favorites! Fit and finish is very good. Using a standard LiPo will be absolutely fine with this plane and offers plenty of power, although I know you like the HV packs. Landing the P-40 is a dream ... greasy landings are the norm.
I may be biased because I’m a P40 fan, but mine is my favorite model in my collection as far as looks go. Flys good, but does have a tendency to high speed stall if you are jerky with the elevator. Fly smooth and it will do anything you want. Nothing better than greasing in a landing with it. A shame the esc doesn’t like the HV packs, but I guess they didn’t have them in mind when they designed it. I’ve never had a problem with mine on regular lipo packs.
I never had any problems with the predator esc,s but I always run the highest C rated lipo i can get. My 1400mm fms warhawk came with a 70amp esc and I run the 4,s 75c 5000mah lipo,s I also run a 5,s liperior 65c 3300 and it exploded the stock prop! So I had to get a master airscrew prop and gator rc spinner and its as baddass as the eflight 1.5m mustang on 5s, and haven't ever changed the 70amp esc
Hey guys I have a slightly older version of this plane and it doesn't have Reflex and I don't have any issues with the esc. As a matter of fact I fly mine on a 5s 4000mah and it flies great!!!!
Looks like a fun one! I've always loved the P-40 as well. Cool story about Apopka HS. Small world! I went to Seminole up in Sanford. Live closer to Deland in Volusia Co now. We have a great flying field up at the Deland Airport. Come fly with us sometime if you're in town!
I bought that one about 2 years ago and she's a sweet flyer, Flys great on a 4s 75c 5000 liperior pack, handles 5s well but I'd advise a master aircrew prop or ypu will blow your blades. I got a new carbon fiber nose cone from gator rc and buddy let me tell ya!! Though very sweet and scale on 4s
I had failed to mention i threw a 5,s 65c 3300 pack in it that blew the prop so I'm wondering if maybe you just got a bad 70amp esc with the plane. Mine rock-n-rolls with the 5,s
FMS makes great stuff. That said, they are famous for not putting adequate ESCs in their models. I had the FMS 800 trainer plane, and the manual claimed it could be flown in 2S or 3S. Flew it in 3S and burned out the ESC almost right away. I opened it up only to discover they had installed a 6 amp ESC! Totally not adequate for 3S.
Yeh Brian Philips put 6s in the T28 1.4m with same power system. After it took off similar happened. I tried 5s on the T28 and the Amps were into +130A. Stock ESC will hate the high volts from the SMC Good upgrade is the P47 460kv or 550kv beaver motor which are 6s rated. Shame you knocked a full point off. This is a 10/10 plane for ppl who don't use SMC or willing to change the esc like quite a few do anyway. I think I seen suspension in the gear?
Our opinion is that you shouldn't have to change the ESC out to work with 4.35v per cell. This is the only FMS model we've flown that had any issues with the ESC. If we run into issues, it wouldn't be a true review if we glossed over them and said "Well, it would be perfect if not for that issue that's made it quite obviously not perfect." As far as how it handles and looks, we said it in the vid - it would be a 9.5 otherwise. The plastic Fisher Price wheels definitely hold it back a little from being 10/10. Otherwise it's phenomenal.
Excellent video Jon!! I have this bird and was having the same power problem I thought something was wrong with the ESC or battery. Thanks for clearing that up. So hopefully a new esc will fix this for full power potential. Love how you talk through the video and tell stories it’s really cool. I was a Marine for 21 years here at Camp Lejeune. I was a 0811 Field Artillery. Did you not join the Corps out of high school? Love your channel Jon. I hope to add the F-16 e-flite to the hanger soon but it’s been on back order for so long man!! Have you heard anything on when this model will be available. Hope you are well thanks for your service to this hobby !! Semper Fi!!
Jon was tapped to join the USAF after leaving high school. They wanted him to be an aviation mechanic. He ended up not enlisting into any service and went into college studying game development and design. No idea when the F-16 will be back in stock - but if you place a backorder via bit.ly/3PZUcEs, you won't get charged until it ships and you'll save a place for when it does come back in stock - that way you don't have to wait on it. Cheers!
Not too fair dipping the score for the esc. That would be like me criticizing a model for not working with LiFe batteries when its rated for LiPo. Same here really, the stuff has to be tuned for that, but I’m certain the esc included could be programmed with low voltage off like any other with its programming card
If we review something and give it a good score, people say we're bought and paid for. If we report a problem we experienced and adjust the scoring to reflect the problem, we're not being fair. Can't win lol
@RCnurse We aren't bashing FMS at all. We're reporting our experiences with the model. Like in what world is "This warbird is almost perfect" considered bashing?
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah I get it, some viewers are giving you a hard time because they can’t perceive a flight experience like y’all are receiving. The moment one wants to quantify things becomes the moment criticism of judgement is invited. At the end of the day what matters most is if what scores and what info you want to give help those who receive it. What metrics are used don’t really matter but its less consistent between other reviews if the metrics include how a product is used out of stock I suppose. People will find a away to critique anything but they can’t critique reality
@@air-headedaviator1805 We'll never try to gloss over a problem that happens in-flight. If it's on cam and we see it, we've gotta review it with that in mind. If that bugs some people, well, you can't please everyone. This model is fantastic except for the HV battery issue, and that might be fixable by adjusting the ESC a little more.
I'll be darned. So that's why I had such a bad experience with the SMC HV packs in my Freewing Rebel. I couldn't figure out why it lost power when the battery still had plenty of voltage.
Perhaps it's going into thermal shut down although I wouldn't expect that from a 70Amp esc. Would be interesting to see a static peak current measurement between the SMC and regular lipo pack.
Definitely wasn't thermal - we mentioned that getting it below 16.8v and reconnecting the battery made it fly perfect. We got 9 minutes out of a 16.7v HV pack.
Just Got a FMS P40 1400 a few days ago. I just bench tested a SMC 4s 4400 HV pack charged to 4.35 per cell. It initialized with 4 beeps indicating 4s and I ran it at about three quarter throttle until the pack came down to 3.8v per cell. It never went into LVC. I noticed that the Horizon Hobby site specs list the ESC as 70 amps. My P40 came with an 80 amp ESC. I wonder if they have upgraded the ESC
Great job! When you say speed controller is that a BEC or am I mixing my terms? Still more power than my old gas warbirds and of course PSS slope soarers. No gyros in those days. So many cool things in this hobby. Thanks for sharing.
Love your flying scales,and your style of video, you arel for everyone, l fly large scale warbirds on electric, l love it.seagulls models are great flyers so are phoenix, l have the phoenix p40 80 inch wingspan, do you fly balsa.Greeville NC
Another question - any thoughts on showing the FMS 1700mm P-51. Its about the only warbird, besides the P-40, I don't have. Know there's a bunch out there, but no new ones.. They all seem to be older ones with one issue or another that's not acceptable in newer planes now.
Hey Jon, nice plane one day, I might have to jump on one. Have you tried changing the ESC battery settings to HV or Li-on? On one of my 4 cell planes, I was able to run 5s on the stock esc by changing it from Li-po to Li-on so ibdidnt have to change the ESC. I also checked current to make sure I was still within range of the Amperage as well with the 5s and I was. 👍
What a coincidence....... just got my FMS 1400mm P-40 and it was missing a hub cap also.....fortunately I'm just going to design a new set in Tinkercad and print my own. Also noticed quite a few spots of crunched foam on the airframe right out of the box. Very unusual for FMS. Where did your final CG come in? Book says between 50-55mm but even with a 4s 5200 pack all the way forward closest I can get is around 68mm. Haven't flown yet so if able let me know. Also did you need any flap/elev mix. Most times split flaps don't need any mix but curious to know if I should add any before first flight. I was a bit disappointed with the cosmetic issues right OOB . But for the price (with a 10% discount) I guess I can't complain too much. I'll be using regular Lipo batteries and save the HVLi for my EDF's.
No idea what the CG balances at. We don't really do the scientific measurements. If you use a 2200 to 2800 class pack, put it further forward on the battery tray. If you use a 3600 to 4400 class pack, move it back further on the tray. There's not really much else to it than that. Shipping damages happen occasionally, though sometimes FMS goofs. Let them know and they might replace the components that were damaged for you, free of charge. Can't recall offhand if it needed any mix. We usually add a bit of down trim to flaps on props regardless.
Love the P-40 but heard there were issues with this one w/ the retracts. Failing early, after 1 or 2 flights. Obviously didn't happen to you. Question on another subject, I see this a lot on the FMS site but don't know what it means. What is 'reflex V2' when it says a plane has it? Is there a V1? Nothing in the descriptions of the planes explains what it is and why its good. Thanks Jon, always on the lookout for your new videos. Been watching since you would do your landing videos on new subdivision streets and always had you at the top of my To Watch list. Appreciate You.
We never saw any issues with the retracts. Like anything, how one treats a plane determines how the plane performs. If it gets beaten up, it won't be surprising that it doesn't handle it. It is only foam, after all. Thanks for sticking with us for so long!
We've got several going on 1.5 years of ownership that are still holding up well under filmed flights on YT. Wouldn't recommend anything else, personally.
The Avion Esc in my new eflite sr22 does that very same thing when i run any other batteries in it other than the spektrum gen 1 or gen 2 so apparently their forcing the pilots to only use spektrum batteries for eflite planes now is all i can gather? The batteries i was trying to use were healthy Roaring Top 2200 4s batteries which performed perfect in all my other planes
@@TwoBrosRC Haha ok ill go ahead and do that then Jon hopefully i can find that procedure in the manual provided with the plane! Thanks for the Tip Jon
Check RC Groups for more, you can search how to program an Avian ESC from your transmitter. Should be pretty straightforward. Horizon also published a vid on it on YT: ua-cam.com/video/5SdE2Ok2TRU/v-deo.html
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah your right Jon but in order to program it from say the NX-6 or 8 the plane has to have a Smart Spektrum Reciever in it which i didnt come with the PNP Version i have
@@TwoBrosRC I sure hope your right about that Jon cause everytime im about to get off the fence and buy a plane they all run out of stock and the next thing i know is there discontinued......Tower Hobbies has it listed as No Longer Available
What size prop is on this bird. Flys nice with it. I have the VQ Models (Nexa) P40 with a YS 91ac supercharged four-stroke glow turning a 14x9 three blade MAS prop, have been thinking about using a 15x8 3blade
LiPo packs charged to 4.2v per cell are fine. LiHV packs flown until you start hearing 16.7v are fine, then land and plug the battery into it again to reset the ESC.
Holy moly…..it’s the total package that a person blows theirs greenbacks on! The planes fault, lol. Just say…FMS, plane great electrical not so much. Don’t persuade people to buy when you know it’s junk….total package. Thankd
That's completely incorrect. SMC HV batteries are proven to be some of the best on the market. Quite a few "normal" LiPo packs can't compare and the testing proves it: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1767093-Battery-Load-Test-Comparisons
I have this plane and it is one of my favorites! Fit and finish is very good. Using a standard LiPo will be absolutely fine with this plane and offers plenty of power, although I know you like the HV packs. Landing the P-40 is a dream ... greasy landings are the norm.
I love this airplane. This was my first FMS bird.
From Yunnan, China! Heard a lot of stories about flying tigers from my grandpa, thank you so much for the video! I really love this plane!
Most likely just this ESC, thanks for posting this iconic warbird, one of my favorites since childhood
I may be biased because I’m a P40 fan, but mine is my favorite model in my collection as far as looks go. Flys good, but does have a tendency to high speed stall if you are jerky with the elevator. Fly smooth and it will do anything you want. Nothing better than greasing in a landing with it.
A shame the esc doesn’t like the HV packs, but I guess they didn’t have them in mind when they designed it. I’ve never had a problem with mine on regular lipo packs.
Love these planes ...maybe even..
Even change to a high voltage friendly esc.
Yep the rigging
I never had any problems with the predator esc,s but I always run the highest C rated lipo i can get. My 1400mm fms warhawk came with a 70amp esc and I run the 4,s 75c 5000mah lipo,s I also run a 5,s liperior 65c 3300 and it exploded the stock prop! So I had to get a master airscrew prop and gator rc spinner and its as baddass as the eflight 1.5m mustang on 5s, and haven't ever changed the 70amp esc
Greetings from Sweden, have to give you thumbs up for your T-shirt, Sweden Air Force.
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That's one gorgeous T-shirt. 😀
Hey guys I have a slightly older version of this plane and it doesn't have Reflex and I don't have any issues with the esc. As a matter of fact I fly mine on a 5s 4000mah and it flies great!!!!
Looks like a fun one! I've always loved the P-40 as well. Cool story about Apopka HS. Small world! I went to Seminole up in Sanford. Live closer to Deland in Volusia Co now. We have a great flying field up at the Deland Airport. Come fly with us sometime if you're in town!
Will do, cheers!
Most ECSs have an option to disable the automatic voltage detection and just program a fix cell count - should come in handy here.
Good idea! Thanks!
Great review Jon! Your wife is really good with the camera, awesome job on this video !!
Nice flying! This plane is on my next to get list.
What a beautiful Model! So much detail. Hopefully that was a one off on the esc and not across all P-40B.
Great video, I can't wait to get mine!!!
I've been waiting to watch this one.
I bought that one about 2 years ago and she's a sweet flyer, Flys great on a 4s 75c 5000 liperior pack, handles 5s well but I'd advise a master aircrew prop or ypu will blow your blades. I got a new carbon fiber nose cone from gator rc and buddy let me tell ya!! Though very sweet and scale on 4s
Never had any issue with the props on ours.
I had failed to mention i threw a 5,s 65c 3300 pack in it that blew the prop so I'm wondering if maybe you just got a bad 70amp esc with the plane. Mine rock-n-rolls with the 5,s
But I HIGHLY recommend this plane all the way
Pure sweetness!!!
FMS makes great stuff. That said, they are famous for not putting adequate ESCs in their models. I had the FMS 800 trainer plane, and the manual claimed it could be flown in 2S or 3S. Flew it in 3S and burned out the ESC almost right away. I opened it up only to discover they had installed a 6 amp ESC! Totally not adequate for 3S.
Yeh Brian Philips put 6s in the T28 1.4m with same power system. After it took off similar happened. I tried 5s on the T28 and the Amps were into +130A. Stock ESC will hate the high volts from the SMC Good upgrade is the P47 460kv or 550kv beaver motor which are 6s rated. Shame you knocked a full point off. This is a 10/10 plane for ppl who don't use SMC or willing to change the esc like quite a few do anyway. I think I seen suspension in the gear?
Our opinion is that you shouldn't have to change the ESC out to work with 4.35v per cell. This is the only FMS model we've flown that had any issues with the ESC. If we run into issues, it wouldn't be a true review if we glossed over them and said "Well, it would be perfect if not for that issue that's made it quite obviously not perfect."
As far as how it handles and looks, we said it in the vid - it would be a 9.5 otherwise. The plastic Fisher Price wheels definitely hold it back a little from being 10/10. Otherwise it's phenomenal.
Excellent video Jon!! I have this bird and was having the same power problem I thought something was wrong with the ESC or battery. Thanks for clearing that up. So hopefully a new esc will fix this for full power potential. Love how you talk through the video and tell stories it’s really cool. I was a Marine for 21 years here at Camp Lejeune. I was a 0811 Field Artillery. Did you not join the Corps out of high school? Love your channel Jon. I hope to add the F-16 e-flite to the hanger soon but it’s been on back order for so long man!! Have you heard anything on when this model will be available. Hope you are well thanks for your service to this hobby !! Semper Fi!!
Jon was tapped to join the USAF after leaving high school. They wanted him to be an aviation mechanic. He ended up not enlisting into any service and went into college studying game development and design.
No idea when the F-16 will be back in stock - but if you place a backorder via bit.ly/3PZUcEs, you won't get charged until it ships and you'll save a place for when it does come back in stock - that way you don't have to wait on it. Cheers!
Just stick with what works and be fine. I don't have to have the latest and greatest to feel ahead of the game!!!
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Not too fair dipping the score for the esc. That would be like me criticizing a model for not working with LiFe batteries when its rated for LiPo. Same here really, the stuff has to be tuned for that, but I’m certain the esc included could be programmed with low voltage off like any other with its programming card
If we review something and give it a good score, people say we're bought and paid for. If we report a problem we experienced and adjust the scoring to reflect the problem, we're not being fair. Can't win lol
I agree with what you're saying. Can't really bash FMS for using LIHV packs.
@RCnurse We aren't bashing FMS at all. We're reporting our experiences with the model. Like in what world is "This warbird is almost perfect" considered bashing?
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah I get it, some viewers are giving you a hard time because they can’t perceive a flight experience like y’all are receiving. The moment one wants to quantify things becomes the moment criticism of judgement is invited. At the end of the day what matters most is if what scores and what info you want to give help those who receive it. What metrics are used don’t really matter but its less consistent between other reviews if the metrics include how a product is used out of stock I suppose. People will find a away to critique anything but they can’t critique reality
@@air-headedaviator1805 We'll never try to gloss over a problem that happens in-flight. If it's on cam and we see it, we've gotta review it with that in mind. If that bugs some people, well, you can't please everyone. This model is fantastic except for the HV battery issue, and that might be fixable by adjusting the ESC a little more.
I tried to use the SMC HV packs with my 8s Freewing F22. The esc would not arm at all but surfaces worked fine.
FW ESCs can be weird like that.
Very nice bird. Never understood why the big chin P-40 is not the pick of manufacturers.
We have no idea, but it's still a nice model and flies great.
I believe you can 4.27 per cell to get the most out of hv packs.
Just unlocked the p40 in war thunder lmao this thing looks sick
I'll be darned. So that's why I had such a bad experience with the SMC HV packs in my Freewing Rebel. I couldn't figure out why it lost power when the battery still had plenty of voltage.
That's exactly why. Some ESCs aren't up to the task.
Perhaps it's going into thermal shut down although I wouldn't expect that from a 70Amp esc. Would be interesting to see a static peak current measurement between the SMC and regular lipo pack.
Definitely wasn't thermal - we mentioned that getting it below 16.8v and reconnecting the battery made it fly perfect. We got 9 minutes out of a 16.7v HV pack.
Ok, that makes more sense. Looking forward to the next chapter with your fixes and gyro settings.
Just Got a FMS P40 1400 a few days ago. I just bench tested a SMC 4s 4400 HV pack charged to 4.35 per cell. It initialized with 4 beeps indicating 4s and I ran it at about three quarter throttle until the pack came down to 3.8v per cell. It never went into LVC. I noticed that the Horizon Hobby site specs list the ESC as 70 amps. My P40 came with an 80 amp ESC. I wonder if they have upgraded the ESC
Great job! When you say speed controller is that a BEC or am I mixing my terms? Still more power than my old gas warbirds and of course PSS slope soarers. No gyros in those days. So many cool things in this hobby. Thanks for sharing.
The ESC (electronic speed controller) has an integrated BEC.
Love your flying scales,and your style of video, you arel for everyone, l fly large scale warbirds on electric, l love it.seagulls models are great flyers so are phoenix, l have the phoenix p40 80 inch wingspan, do you fly balsa.Greeville NC
We've flown some balsa.
Hey guys I your videos, if you can add to the description the transmitter, receiver, battery, and gyro used on the reviews would be awesome.
AR637T, IX20SE, batteries were mentioned, gyro is integrated into the receiver.
Another question - any thoughts on showing the FMS 1700mm P-51. Its about the only warbird, besides the P-40, I don't have. Know there's a bunch out there, but no new ones.. They all seem to be older ones with one issue or another that's not acceptable in newer planes now.
ua-cam.com/video/WJ7_FpnmJNI/v-deo.html
Already shot it!
it might think the battery is a 7/8 s
And here i thought there p47 was the best..😂🙌🙌🙌🙌
Hey Jon, nice plane one day, I might have to jump on one.
Have you tried changing the ESC battery settings to HV or Li-on? On one of my 4 cell planes, I was able to run 5s on the stock esc by changing it from Li-po to Li-on so ibdidnt have to change the ESC. I also checked current to make sure I was still within range of the Amperage as well with the 5s and I was. 👍
We'll have to look into that. Thanks!
What a coincidence....... just got my FMS 1400mm P-40 and it was missing a hub cap also.....fortunately I'm just going to design a new set in Tinkercad and print my own. Also noticed quite a few spots of crunched foam on the airframe right out of the box. Very unusual for FMS.
Where did your final CG come in? Book says between 50-55mm but even with a 4s 5200 pack all the way forward closest I can get is around 68mm. Haven't flown yet so if able let me know.
Also did you need any flap/elev mix. Most times split flaps don't need any mix but curious to know if I should add any before first flight.
I was a bit disappointed with the cosmetic issues right OOB . But for the price (with a 10% discount) I guess I can't complain too much. I'll be using regular Lipo batteries and save the HVLi for my EDF's.
No idea what the CG balances at. We don't really do the scientific measurements. If you use a 2200 to 2800 class pack, put it further forward on the battery tray. If you use a 3600 to 4400 class pack, move it back further on the tray. There's not really much else to it than that.
Shipping damages happen occasionally, though sometimes FMS goofs. Let them know and they might replace the components that were damaged for you, free of charge.
Can't recall offhand if it needed any mix. We usually add a bit of down trim to flaps on props regardless.
Love the P-40 but heard there were issues with this one w/ the retracts. Failing early, after 1 or 2 flights. Obviously didn't happen to you. Question on another subject, I see this a lot on the FMS site but don't know what it means. What is 'reflex V2' when it says a plane has it? Is there a V1? Nothing in the descriptions of the planes explains what it is and why its good. Thanks Jon, always on the lookout for your new videos. Been watching since you would do your landing videos on new subdivision streets and always had you at the top of my To Watch list. Appreciate You.
We never saw any issues with the retracts. Like anything, how one treats a plane determines how the plane performs. If it gets beaten up, it won't be surprising that it doesn't handle it. It is only foam, after all. Thanks for sticking with us for so long!
Not entirely related but how do you like the SMC HV packs? I'm interested in understanding how durable they are.
We've got several going on 1.5 years of ownership that are still holding up well under filmed flights on YT. Wouldn't recommend anything else, personally.
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Its a shame great plane and reviews but never stock on it espically in canada
Sorry to hear that!
The Avion Esc in my new eflite sr22 does that very same thing when i run any other batteries in it other than the spektrum gen 1 or gen 2 so apparently their forcing the pilots to only use spektrum batteries for eflite planes now is all i can gather? The batteries i was trying to use were healthy Roaring Top 2200 4s batteries which performed perfect in all my other planes
You can disable LVC in Avians easily. There is no conspiracy to force you into using a specific type of battery.
@@TwoBrosRC Haha ok ill go ahead and do that then Jon hopefully i can find that procedure in the manual provided with the plane! Thanks for the Tip Jon
Check RC Groups for more, you can search how to program an Avian ESC from your transmitter. Should be pretty straightforward. Horizon also published a vid on it on YT: ua-cam.com/video/5SdE2Ok2TRU/v-deo.html
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah your right Jon but in order to program it from say the NX-6 or 8 the plane has to have a Smart Spektrum Reciever in it which i didnt come with the PNP Version i have
These 1400mm are out of stock everywhere now are they discontinued already? cause none of the sites say backordered item?
They'll come back in stock eventually.
@@TwoBrosRC I sure hope your right about that Jon cause everytime im about to get off the fence and buy a plane they all run out of stock and the next thing i know is there discontinued......Tower Hobbies has it listed as No Longer Available
Try getting it from the link in the description!
@@TwoBrosRC ok then
What size prop is on this bird. Flys nice with it.
I have the VQ Models (Nexa) P40 with a YS 91ac supercharged four-stroke glow turning a 14x9 three blade MAS prop, have been thinking about using a 15x8 3blade
14x8, 3 blade.
One other thing you MUST ease in the throttle or else It will torque to the left and you will destroy the plane.
What batteries will work with the plane and wont mess up the ESC?
LiPo packs charged to 4.2v per cell are fine. LiHV packs flown until you start hearing 16.7v are fine, then land and plug the battery into it again to reset the ESC.
@@TwoBrosRC ok, thank you!
Run it with 5s. The different is night and day
Nah.
Change the ESC out. I never fly on what they send and that's for any RC company.
We usually fly with stock components. The ESC isn't bad, it just isn't calibrated for HV batteries.
Holy moly…..it’s the total package that a person blows theirs greenbacks on! The planes fault, lol. Just say…FMS, plane great electrical not so much. Don’t persuade people to buy when you know it’s junk….total package. Thankd
What makes you think this plane is junk? That's not the conclusion we came to.
Honestly its a bad esc or just reprogram it.
It's possibly bad. Not entirely sure.
HV are overrated. Just run normal lipos. Anything else is a waste of money.
That's completely incorrect. SMC HV batteries are proven to be some of the best on the market. Quite a few "normal" LiPo packs can't compare and the testing proves it: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1767093-Battery-Load-Test-Comparisons
I go by my own experience not a spreadsheet. CHNL work just fine.@@TwoBrosRC
Have you actually tried flying SMC batteries? If not, you're missing out.