This is a breath of fresh air.. I feel for store owners for sure, it is a difficult situation to navigate with the single release per year like you said. I also think these so called "investors" need to calm down a bit. 5 years from now if Sorcery is still around, people will beg to buy a Beta box under 170, or an AL box at 90. We are so early it's actually funny.. Imagine people crying about an Arabian Nights box being under 100.. Seems a tad unhinged to me.
Sorcery is so cool to open and barely has any eyes on it, I don't think there will be any problems. People are just so traumatized from other tcgs, they panic at any movement. Coming from a European who found this summer print a blessing, and still struggles to find product at reasonable price. This week I bought 2 BB of Beta for 200€ each and 2 BB of AL for a bit over 100€.
I was an investor in the Kickstarter, bought a couple cases of beta and sold singles, kept the foils, and then started my first ever personal collection (across any game) and I love the cards. The chase is fun, and I'm seeing this drop in prices as an opportunity to buy more! I think the overprinting issue is the thing that KILLS games. If they haven't already done so with Sorcery, then we are right on the line of it. There are currently 3 foil Philosopher's Stones on auction on eBay starting at $1.. so that's scary (only 248 in existence)... Is it a lost cause at this point? Maybe. Hopefully not. I've love to see it recover. Simon and their team said 2025 is going to be about doing better to work with stores to promote the game. We'll see what happens! Great video
Good and refreshing takes that brought back my sanity thanks for that. The reasonable in the community are the ones talking about store adoption and making sure that goes well along with the store making a profit and really discussing the one set a year not being a good model. the one set a year has 0 arguments for it its purely there in my mind for battered mtg players. honestly i think they did it being opportunistic instead of thinking through the business model since at the time magic was pumping product. we are screwed if investor bros lead a lot of these conversations or in general the idiotic people amongst us instead of reasonable and rational players/collectors and stores. Speaking as player, collector, and as someone not emotionally as invested, if the game dies thats sad but i have the cards and i dont care about the money. Investors have 0 right to moan i think when: there's curios and foils, the reprint is justified, and ec doesnt go wild at the printer. Their cards and boxes will go nowhere without more players and more demand which stores are essential in as well, plain and simple. Also haha i totally get the checking out thing you mentioned, i did that for a bit because its honestly just tiring since the reasonable and objective opinion on these topics every time it comes up has always been the same. its pretty easy to see card games are a symbiotic relationship between everyone on the Venn diagram, its also a lot more nuanced than investor bros or people that want cards to be all 5 cents will constantly yap about over and over in the discords and facebook. In my mind the game will be considered in a good state when each group is satisfied to certain extent: players can make decks that don't cost $500-1000 just to be competitive and not constantly re spending that money because of bans, breakneck product releases etc. Collectors have chase cards and rare cards with a certain level of trust and confidence they will retain value (value in other ways not just purely monetary) and stores can sell the product at a profit without dumping at the cost of hurting the community. more store involvement is more eyeballs and hands on for the product thus increasing demand and players. also to be frank i find it harder to compromise with even taking the investor side seriously, some honestly need to grow up and invest in actual investments at the end of the day. I care mostly about players, stores, and collectors. some of these people legit think they are gonna retire off cardboard and want it to happen within 1 year flipping boxes at 2-5k, its beyond delusional, and just in general ignorant to think youll be at 30 year old magic box prices within 5 years or that its analogous at all. its gonna be decades aka a stupid investment unless you're gonna make an insane amount to justify having dead money (boxes) for 10+ years in a closet if it even happens.
Thanks. Yes, I agree, many people are overly emotional and a little too involved with the day-to-day. I always prefer to be as reasonable as I can be and avoid being delusional. Except my day-dreaming delusions of grandeur of course ;)
Prince Distribution is absolute garbage. EC needs to find another Canadian one to handle the region. I don't know of a single store that is happy with them.
This is a breath of fresh air.. I feel for store owners for sure, it is a difficult situation to navigate with the single release per year like you said. I also think these so called "investors" need to calm down a bit. 5 years from now if Sorcery is still around, people will beg to buy a Beta box under 170, or an AL box at 90. We are so early it's actually funny.. Imagine people crying about an Arabian Nights box being under 100.. Seems a tad unhinged to me.
Sounds about right.
Sorcery is so cool to open and barely has any eyes on it, I don't think there will be any problems.
People are just so traumatized from other tcgs, they panic at any movement.
Coming from a European who found this summer print a blessing, and still struggles to find product at reasonable price. This week I bought 2 BB of Beta for 200€ each and 2 BB of AL for a bit over 100€.
It is definitely fun to open!
I was an investor in the Kickstarter, bought a couple cases of beta and sold singles, kept the foils, and then started my first ever personal collection (across any game) and I love the cards. The chase is fun, and I'm seeing this drop in prices as an opportunity to buy more!
I think the overprinting issue is the thing that KILLS games. If they haven't already done so with Sorcery, then we are right on the line of it. There are currently 3 foil Philosopher's Stones on auction on eBay starting at $1.. so that's scary (only 248 in existence)...
Is it a lost cause at this point? Maybe. Hopefully not. I've love to see it recover. Simon and their team said 2025 is going to be about doing better to work with stores to promote the game.
We'll see what happens!
Great video
Thanks! Yeah, they're on a precipice and have to make the right decisions or it could go either way
Good and refreshing takes that brought back my sanity thanks for that. The reasonable in the community are the ones talking about store adoption and making sure that goes well along with the store making a profit and really discussing the one set a year not being a good model. the one set a year has 0 arguments for it its purely there in my mind for battered mtg players. honestly i think they did it being opportunistic instead of thinking through the business model since at the time magic was pumping product. we are screwed if investor bros lead a lot of these conversations or in general the idiotic people amongst us instead of reasonable and rational players/collectors and stores. Speaking as player, collector, and as someone not emotionally as invested, if the game dies thats sad but i have the cards and i dont care about the money. Investors have 0 right to moan i think when: there's curios and foils, the reprint is justified, and ec doesnt go wild at the printer. Their cards and boxes will go nowhere without more players and more demand which stores are essential in as well, plain and simple. Also haha i totally get the checking out thing you mentioned, i did that for a bit because its honestly just tiring since the reasonable and objective opinion on these topics every time it comes up has always been the same. its pretty easy to see card games are a symbiotic relationship between everyone on the Venn diagram, its also a lot more nuanced than investor bros or people that want cards to be all 5 cents will constantly yap about over and over in the discords and facebook. In my mind the game will be considered in a good state when each group is satisfied to certain extent: players can make decks that don't cost $500-1000 just to be competitive and not constantly re spending that money because of bans, breakneck product releases etc. Collectors have chase cards and rare cards with a certain level of trust and confidence they will retain value (value in other ways not just purely monetary) and stores can sell the product at a profit without dumping at the cost of hurting the community. more store involvement is more eyeballs and hands on for the product thus increasing demand and players. also to be frank i find it harder to compromise with even taking the investor side seriously, some honestly need to grow up and invest in actual investments at the end of the day. I care mostly about players, stores, and collectors. some of these people legit think they are gonna retire off cardboard and want it to happen within 1 year flipping boxes at 2-5k, its beyond delusional, and just in general ignorant to think youll be at 30 year old magic box prices within 5 years or that its analogous at all. its gonna be decades aka a stupid investment unless you're gonna make an insane amount to justify having dead money (boxes) for 10+ years in a closet if it even happens.
Thanks. Yes, I agree, many people are overly emotional and a little too involved with the day-to-day. I always prefer to be as reasonable as I can be and avoid being delusional.
Except my day-dreaming delusions of grandeur of course ;)
Harrumph!
Sorcery sucks
Prince Distribution is absolute garbage. EC needs to find another Canadian one to handle the region. I don't know of a single store that is happy with them.
@@Dstinct I can understand why other stores might feel that way.