Held Hostage in Dead by Daylight
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2023
- Held Hostage in Dead by Daylight | Huge thanks to Cammy for letting me use his footage for this piece!
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• How A Skull Merchant M...
• The Skull Merchant: CM... - Ігри
last time i was held hostage i developed stockholm syndrome and married my captor
Dang, I hate when that happens.
Was it a Knight? At least the Knight looks nice
R u stil happy 🥺
Congratulations🎉
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You gotta love how he almost immediately jumped to "he's streamsniping". Why do streamers put their ttv in their username if they are just gonna cry streamsnipe everytime things don't go their way?
Entitlement (comes with playing as survivor) and the lack of self-reflection. "I did not do a mistake, obviously it was the game's/killer's/connection's/housecat from the janitor's fault"
right? I was thinking the same thing lol just don't put ttv in your name if you don't want to be stream sniped.
@foulrot are you saying that all TTV streamers are bad or no, and don't say no because your typing is saying that ttv streamers should not be around.
@@Sachiko_Zeingor don't think about defending @foulrot unless you don't want ttv streamers to be around, because if there was nome one side of certain be over powered as well the killer certain perks or so over powered , also don't eve act like or fake it.
@@Sachiko_Zeingorthe guy literally plays 100p singularity.....
I think the issue is just The Game as a map. It's small and fairly easy to find/hold a 3 gen. Generators can also end up being in pretty dangerous rooms which makes a 3 gen even stronger.
100% a map design issue.
One the map "The Game" you can consistenly hit "static blast" on survivors because the map is so small that is hard to avoid his terror radius and thus his power.
There isn't any other map that allows such coverage.
@@red_wheelbarrow641 Midwich and dead dog has left the chat
@@SpineChylz
At least Saloon has multiple gens up on second stories and the best hiding plants in the game, but it is otherwise a killer-sided map.
I've always disliked The Game whether it was playing survivor or killer. I definitely think this 3-gen is amplified on a map like that and some killers have little to no effort traversing it therefore making that experience even worse.
nope. singularity held me captive on cowshed. wasnt a 3 gen. they just have to much information theres no cooldown. he can have like 10? with the one addon. theres no possible to way to EMP them all. and his cooldown is non existant so he just goes and places more if you destroy them. @@red_wheelbarrow641
EMP's should remove the cameras. not just disable them.
This is a core game design issue, not a singularity issue. Bhvr needs to address 3 gens as a whole for this to be fixed.
@@renulence7247 ew no
@@renulence7247 This just wouldn’t work, it’d either be too strong, abused, or otherwise useless. Buffing survivors wouldn’t be the solution and should never be the solution.
Deja vu
Changing the gen spawn logic is the first thing that comes in my mind tbh
@@renulence7247 That doesn't fix the issue. It creates new ones. Then you'll just have teams who hide for 15 minutes before slamming gens with their genrush builds. Best way to fix the issue is fix the fucking gen spawns on all the maps.
I think dude was 100% right, and that could've been done with any killer on that map. The game is very small, so it's not hard to hold a 3 gen. I really do wish people didn't just jump to saying someone is cheating though. The speed boost thing is a bug that has been around for a while. His friend was more correct in saying dude is a POS.
You can literally get 2 gens on top of eachother. It's as bad as the 2 gens that spawn in the main hall on rpd.
at least the RPD gens are a modest distance, even if they are still closer than most gens on other maps. But Game is just painful at times.@@Warriorsoul101
I don't think there is inherently something wrong with playing like this, it's just a playstyle.
I mean you could say the same thing about a nurse main that goes instantly for a 4 slug with 0 hooks. It's about the same amount of fun for the survivors.
If you criticize killers for "boring" playstyles, you may as well criticizing survivors who light 4 gens at 1:47. It's the same amount of fun from a killer perspective.
Why single out this hard 3-gen playstyle when other equally unfun things like instant slugging or 4 gens rushed before 2:00 are much, MUCH more common?
@@hiriasbloodweaver8593 it's a playstyle that abuses dbds horrible rng, it's like watching old dbd survivors loop killers on infinites and claim "it's just a playstyle" no, ur abusing the horrible map design, it's like when skermz swf bullied a Bubba for 40 minutes on house of pain with infinite head ons and locker saves, it's not just a playstyle ur abusing the rng in a party game
@@d0nv3rgasarenoso91 the difference in this is they aren't bullying, they are trying to win. Their win con is just pretty boring. If this Killer is given the opportunity to down and hook they are, they aren't just gonna throw the game for it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think having this in the game is healthy, but I just don't know of a good solution outside of completely reworking the game.
I think this is being blown way out of proportion it’s a combination of things which don’t work when you’re not on a map like Gideon’s
And there’s also the part of this kind of game being pretty rare. It’s extremely unlikely for this guy to encounter this exact player again.
as a killer and survivor player this is very sad to see
As a killer player this is traumatizing to see. Who tf has the patience for this?
@@thesfnb.5786No clue. I used to play pre rework merchant and not even i could go on for a long time when the survivors eventually 3 genned themselves. At some point i just gave up and commited to a chase knowing i would lose the final gen.
You know, it's very unfortunate and sad to see this game in such a really bad State. This game favors survivors and anytime. Killers play how what they want it to send. But when survivors do it, it's okay.
I wasted my 20 minute He is just crying classic Survivor rule book 😂 next rule no three gen. DBD community is childish
I'm not surprised, the majority of the dbd player base is toxic
Both killers and survivors
Guess it was actually programmed to harm the crew
Bro 😂
Law 1: the crew require plasma to live
You can also do this with Cenobite, and Cenobite doesn't need to actually look for the box, but the players do. Adding something like a 4th gen for them to get that moves.
It's a tough problem, add a 4th gen and the Killer id basically screwed at that point, might as well just reduce the number of gens needed to open the gates to 4 if your gonna do that.
just add a 4th gen that opens back up after a certain amount of time. like 20 minutes since almost no matches other than PoS player matches last that long.
@@gantref9202
Yeah Cenobite is brutal. When the box is active and you run double slowdown on lament configuration. Even on Mother’s Dwelling I knocked everyone out in like 11 minutes.
@@Crispy_DAWG and they can't do gens, because chains are irritatingly accurate if your not moving doing a gen. With other perks you can make it pure suffering... Which actually fits the character.
there's always some wild shit happening in this community lol
It's not even a community it's a cesspool lol
I love this game. But for the most part the community is so toxic, I just ignore everything,and do me.
Yeah the TTV was annoyingly entitled, but the Singularity also has no life spending almost an hour for one win.
@@Crispy_DAWGI mean the killer is doing their job and playing obj to get hooks you can't blame him especially when they knew they 3 gend themselves and still continued to pump the wrong gens to me it's a case of a killer being patient while the survivors burn themselves out trying to figure out how to combat the singularity which eventually turned into surv side complaining about the killer understanding that chases aren't the best idea because they'll take you away from the gens they failed to realize they were so close
@Red_XIII_ "doing their job". my guy it took nearly an hour for them to get a 3k lmao. defending this playstyle is ridiculous lol
"This guy is the reason killers get Nerfed" lmao I agree with what coconut said if you can do it on every killer its not a killer issue its just a gameplay problem. Also no hate to cammy but its obvious he was getting so stressed that they just started blaming anything that could be the reason why they were losing, "their stream sniping" "hes cheating " "hes a sweat trying to make killers get nerfed"
when survs dont get out in 5 min they start to develop cloucoma. ...
20 minute*@@nsreturn1365
thats how much most of us want a match to last. maybe less its ridiculous to play a quick dbd game then be stuck there for an hour
as a killer main who's played solo que, there are some pretty shitty killers out there. and given a perfect game doesnt exist, the dev's can't do anything about it. any change they make will just lead players to exploit the next big thing, or the strongest things. its a PLAYER, issue. not a gameplay issue.
I would make the polite and respectful argument a gameplay issue when somethings easy, intuitive, and very obviously unhealthy for the game. this playstyle after the death of the skull merchant seems unhealthy, but FAR less easy/Intuitive. the amount you have to mathematically do on average as shown in the video is absurd. people have to go OUT of their way to do it on a superlative scale. it shouldn't even be a question on wether its a map or gameplay or dev issue. coconut even implies at the end of the video that we have the power as the players to decide how we play untill its essentially impossible to play that way anymore.
TLDR: the devs are doing their best, but no game is perfect and people are going to exploit no matter what you do. the gameplay isn't to blame, its the player going so far to exploit it.
3 gens aren't really a problem.
Just a strategy.
Personally I play just to fuck around so I never and I mean never run gen regression perks because they're so boring.
But if people wanna play like this it's fine.
It's a survivor issue. Don't 3 gen yourself.
Why should behavior nerf something that the survivors put themselves in 9/10 most 3 gens are caused by survivors not thinking about what gens they do. Not alot of killers run 3 gens builds.
@@nsreturn1365there is literally no reason for a match to go on for 59 minutes straight
He sounds like he's used to rioting when he doesn't get his way.
yeah just a whiny baby
he's definitely been in a few antifa forums.
Please stfu your the type to never say there wrong like at least don't lie saying this when you on God don't care but being held in a game over 30 min is ridiculous even for Dbd
69th like lesgoooo
Coconut's dramatic Obama-ish narration style is hilarious.
It's so fucking annoying and fake.
The Game has been a map that 3gen camping has been a horrible problem forever, I mean you can stand in the center of the map and your terror radius would reach the whole area! It’s a really small map and gens are usually going to spawn really close together-
Some maps are like that
Well I mean I don't think the singularity was cheating but I would have figured you would have used the players exact build with 4 slowdown perks and you managed a 30 minute match with really no slowdown at all so it is highly rational for it to be done.
Yeah I wasent even cheating lol I’m console
huh@@M_pres
@@M_pres are you the bloke? seemed fine to me
Fuckin love the chess playstyle, truly one of the moments of all time. "He's streamsniping" lmaooooo
Every single survivor team I've ever seen stream this game either whines when they lose or BM's when they win. This game fosters the weakest mental community I swear.
This is totally a design issue. They should increase the minimum distance between 2 gens can spawn or even better... add a new mechanic that can counter it. I read this suggestion some time ago and it was brilliant: adding an item in the basement chest when there are 3 generators left (they called it the monkey paw), where a survivor can switch a completed generator with one of the other 3, but that survivor will be exposed for the rest of the trial and the killer will be notified that this item was used.
"Wah wah, he has a 3 gen win strategy. Wah wah"
Reminds me of how people act when playing against permission/fatigue decks in a card-game.
Also reminds me of league players when you don't surrender at 15 minutes when they are done playing.
Such players deserve to be held in hour-long games
This comment really shows your mentality when playing games
@@PumKat666 yes, it does.
I play control decks without clear win conditions in card games.
I never surrender in league, and all other forms of communication are turned off.
And i often enjoy the "long game" strategies in competative games that allow me to outlast my opponents.
I play tanks and healers in games with classes, with the motto, "if you can't hurt me, i do infinite damage"
I litterally derive fun in multiplayer video games by slowly draining the fun from other players, and i choose such strategies from the beginning of the game.
And the best part is that you don't know you're queued up with me until it's too late.
>:}
@@zamba136 bro is devious💀💀💀
@@zamba136honestly while playing like this is vaild, because you're using the tools provided. You have to take in to consideration that most people dont enjoy that. I don't think that that way og playing should 100% be removed but it does need to be tonned down. Like the new 3 gen system, while you can do it still eventually you can only buy a set amount of time
They were using 4 slow down perks with the singularity’s power tho you didn’t use any of those slow downs. I mean I guess the killer with no slow down is fine but old skull merchant was very stoppable without slow down but with slow down she was more trouble to win against then it was worth with zero effort as the killer.
yea he didn't even do it right. It is pretty simple to pick the right perks.
No, people don't acknowledge the mental fortitude it takes to keep doing this for both sides
Precisely, people aren't exactly considering that the coordinated SWF and a killer holding for so long is exceptionally competitive play and requires a lot of experience and good follow-through calls on both sides.
I am trash but I won most of my games as 3 gen SM. Haven’t really tried it with other killers but might get the singularity now 😂
That was precisely the issue with skull merchant, 3-genning with her was easy as fuck, the game basically played itself, most other killers can't do it as easily and for so long unless they get exceptional map rng or send themselves to saloon
@@InfInityNoir I call bullshit, I have had an easy time 3-genning as cenobite, legion, dredge, nurse and blight(not that they need to), sadako, pig, trapper, and any killer that has map mobility or secondary objectives and especially in small maps. I also mainly play survivor cause I don't play too much DBD as is and when I do I play with a friend, so no, in no way is this a unique issue to one or two killers nor is it 'easy' to pull off as one SMALL mistake, one chase that might last 20 seconds longer, one gen you might forget to rotate to, and you lose. This NEEDS skill on the killer's side, and while it might be easier than say being good at chases, it needs a different kind of skill all together. It's not against the rules, it doesn't 'hold the game hostage' as you are free to die whenever and give up, and it is a viable tactic. People whining about 3-genning and go full meta perks SWF are just as disgusting if not more so than those killers.
@@Natsukashii-Records harder =/= hard, also why is it always the people that barely play killer (and therefore play against babies whenever they actually do) that keep saying killer is super easy ? If you want to actually know try playing killer only for like a week to a month and then either you are actually good at the game and it still feels pretty easy or you are a normal player, should start to get players of a similar skill bracket and actually start to struggle and get the point
Loving these documentary-style videos, very entertaining.
It's like I'm on grade school again. ''No Timmy you can't play that way!'' Looking in as an outsider, what a fascinating community dbd encourages.
It really do be like that, but as someone who does play, it is so easy to just not play like an asshole. Games are about having fun, and if I can maximize everyone’s fun by going for someone else for like 30 seconds to make the game seem a little closer than it actually is, I don’t see why this singularity couldn’t have left his 3 gen and started pursuing people once the 30 min mark happened.
I had a 3 gen as huntress once, held it to the 30 minute mark, and then let one of the 3 remaining survivors lead me on a chase for half a gen. Boom, I get a 3k (I almost always let one person leave) and people get the heart-pounding fun of actually being pursued
I don't think I ever played a game with more weird arbitrary non written rules then DBD.
Oh be fucking realistic. Some ways of playing are obviously just to grief everyone.
@@user-ru2ib8eq6x You mean like the streamer's build with head-on and flashbang?
just it's been happening forever man, every killer has to follow the survivor rulebook; allegedly.
@@user-ru2ib8eq6x Wahhh wahhh lol
Let's be mature, if people weren't trying so hard to win in a non-competitive game these would just be rare, maybe even novel (entertaining) one off things
@@user-ru2ib8eq6xtheres no right way to play killer as long as you get hooks you did your job they shouldn't be judged just because half the surv base are a bunch of crybabies who bitch and moan about the simplest things because it's not “fun” to them it's like when you get a bully swf and they don't get to do their bullying because you killed the one person they had dedicated to be cannon fodder for saves I've had many situations where I stopped a bully swf just for them to kill themselves on hook or force me to put them on hook so then can leave without doing last experience I had the whole set tried it shit talk me even though I got the 4k because they got too altruistic and I capitilized on their mistakes
The vod shows them doing 2 gens right next to each other while the random is in a chase/unhooked. Then the random starters to do a gen while the SWF run around the map and heal. streamer get in a chase and the random finishes a gen near the 2 that were already done. that 3 gen might have been capitalized on by the singularity but they did it to themselves.
you can't stop a 3 gen if the killer defends it from the start, which is literally what this guy did. no matter what these survs would've done to prevent it, they still would have to fight through this 3 gen, at any moment, because this PoS of a plater specializes in the most toxic broken abusable strategies.
@@DeoNone69not very bright are you. those survivors were more toxic than the killer in that game. you try to hold any kind of moral highground and you are wrong. its a playstyle you dont like, so you call him a "PoS of a plater" (get your spelling right please its not that hard.) and yes you can stop a 3 gen even if the killer starts out this way. you probably dont care what non-survivor mains have to say because youre probably part of the toxic side of the community. I felt sorry enough for you to leave this reply. good day sir, and good riddance.
Cammy bullied my perkless trapper on springwood after sending me there, this must be the universe's way of balancing itself lmao
4 team SWF sent to springwood and they tbag and taunt a trapper. Feelsbadman.
Proof or it didn’t happen
perkless by choice or? sorry to hear that though if true.
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN They immediately jumped to 'stream sniping me!' 'hacking!' so it's highly likely. I've not played that group, but literally have footage of going against another group of streamers who were toxic as all get out, who did the exact same thing. They showed up with flashlights and the wiggle out fast, drop a pallet while on shoulders, and 'while carrying a survivor, the bar fills faster' combo on. Checked to see if they were live after our match, lo n' behold each and everyone one was cussing me out during the match and claimed I not only teleported, but sniped. No, they just lost at trying to make my game a living hell. Ironically it was my first match on Ghostface I ever spent BP on him as was trying to get adept. Went back to earlier in their matches and turns out they did the bully thing routinely, made a Nurse d/c the match before, and was heavily badmouthing the killer before that because they apparently went against him in the past and they, paraphrasing a quote "bullied him that match, and I bully him every match I see him in". So, yeah, I fully believe a guy crying cheating, sniping, teleporting would be in a group that would throw their weight around when they get the chance. Dude honestly thought he could only lose to a guy that was breaking the game and sent it to coconut to find a loophole so his favorite character won't get nerfed. Not saying he's a bad guy or anything, but I've seen tons of matches were the killer is new or struggling and the guy clearly looks to be having a rough time, and THAT is when the survivors turn and start bagging and flashlight spamming. Blood is in the water, they take advantage. Then killer gets ticked, finds a nasty build aaand turns other survivors toxic and the cycle continues.
Don’t worry I tortured him for u in that game haha I was the singularity
So in other words the effeminate crybaby streamer in this video had it coming?
I swear small streamers only stream so that they can cry "HE'S STREAMSNIPING ME!!!!"
When Singularity came out i pointed this problem out after realizing this was possible on dead dawgs saloon, if there is an area you can see 3 gens through a pod or multiple, you can stay using pod view whilst strategically placing singularity somewhere close by, watch and just infect for teleport or jump back to singularity.
yep i said the same thing. i dont know how it took people this long ive been held captured a few times already on cowshed had one that lasted like 50 minutes we actually managed one person out.
Some guy did this as Singularity on Deaddawg while I was in a 3 man swf. If everyone is a good player, it's really easy to 4 out but it just takes a long time and you all have to play really safe.
One person basically sits on the EMP machine the whole time churning them out while the other pressures the gen without being hit.
As long as your callouts are good, he won't be able to TP and you'll slowly fix the gens, even with mistakes.
yep just need a 4 man SWF to vs a killer thats great design lol@@Sythine
@@DeputyFish I'm saying it's beatable. And it wasn't a 4 man swf, it was a 3 man. The random was one of the better performers and only made one mistake without comms while my actual swf mates made multiple even with call outs.
Just 4 solo queue juicers can do it if they can be bothered with the effort.
except they really cant. unless the singularity plays badly. the survivors wont have enough info to go off of. that you get in a 3-4 man or even a 2 man@@Sythine
I don't think that killer cheated or streamsniped. They also weren't held hostage, just let killer hook you if you want to leave.
Every single time killer did something they didn't like they complained and every time killer failed at doing something they insulted him.
This is perfect example of entitled players that are making DBD worse
it really feels like a dog who's perpetually 1cm away from catching it's own tail... spends all the energy chasing it without ever realizing it's chasing itself lmao
I don't mean to be negative, but the accusations from the lizard in that clip are outstanding. Coconut had to very politely avoid saying "Skill issue" but the ending stats show it: if you are will to do things 100s of times, and if four fully healed survivors, in direct communication with one another, might I add, cannot find a way to have at least 2 touch a generator, I dunno what to say. A full SWF jumping to conclusions of 'must be cheating!' Surprise, surprise. "When I 3 gen, I at least chase people!" So we're policing how people play games now? Nice to see the ol' reliable 'survivor's handbook' meme alive and well. For a guy to p100 any killer to not have the concept of how 3 gens work and how they fall apart...boggled. For all the irony of the phrase: you didn't pressure gens enough.
Exactly. That was the critical issue I held against the reptile streamer the entire time; it got to the point where he started sounding like your typical entitled survivor main.
"We dug ourselves in a hole, BHVR please punish the killers and let me win all my games!! He's not playing in accordance with MY ethical rules!"
It's that kind of thinking that seriously ruined the game for me early on in its lifecycle and why I had quit playing the game.
Yeah, 3-genning is an issue about core game design, that's not even surprising since this is BHVR we're talking about, but I've held 3-gens back in the day with Billy because of how shit the map design was (and still is for most maps), and - mind you - this was before you could kick generators to regress them.
The stats shown were on a map that was very open and he wasn't using full slow down build like the singularity. The Game is a very enclosed map that is also very small, making it really easy to move from gen to gen. So the singularity didn't even need to teleport if he was just watching the pods, and if he did teleport, it was an added bonus. Also, the killer dropped chase as soon as he could to protect the gens and not stray too far from them, kicking and chasing the swf away. Also, the cheating accusation came when the speed boost from getting hit didn't happen, which was a bug apparently. People can play however they want, but the singularity was intentionally playing like a POS just because he could, the killer was already focusing on protecting the 3 gen at the very start and had barely gone above ground to chase. In the end, they were decently pressuring the gens until one of them died, but the map was the biggest issue here as it's just too small and any killer can do this.
@@Devilhand21The players knew what he was doing and let it happen anyway. Any m1 killer could have done what he did. Clearly, we need to nerf pig.
Did the Singularity have a different build? Aye. Did Coconut thoroughly test things out? No. But I didn't upload it, so you'll have to ask him for more details as to why.
End of the day, the devs said they are going to 'address' 3-gens next month or so, so no matter what we say killers are gonna get nerfed and that's that.
@@PsyCoCinematics How are you supposed to stop a random who doesn't know a damn thing of what is going on? Answer, you can't. And yeah, killers are going to get nerfed because 3 gen holds are going to be stopped. In the end, it is what it is.
@@Devilhand21 'The Trapper placed a trap down, then I stepped in it. I think that's really unfair because it takes away my agency and disrespects my time invested.' Dbd will continue to get what it deserves until the devs put in a solo queue only and/or ranked mode, but till then it is what it is. Have a good night.
if a was a survivor in the game i would hate what his doing but com on guys we all agree that this was a really cool match to watch and sees whos gonna win
Exactlyyy
What i feel the survivors should have done was have one person working on each gen and then have the fourth hiding nearby. When the singularity looks through bio pods, they will only see 1 person working on the gen. When that person is chased away and the gen kicked, the hidden survivor would work on that gen. Since the singularity doesn’t know there was a second person, they won’t check that gen for a short while, it would still be slow, but you could eventually break the 3 gen. Obviously this doesn’t solve the over arching problem, but in this specific instance i think it might have worked. The killer didn’t have surveillance or no where to hide, so they wouldn’t know of the second survivor.
this is spot on
I played against this streamer a while back. He already had Singularity to P100 a couple weeks after the release. Super wholesome dude, and he was 100% in the right. This isn't a Singularity issue, it's something that can be done with any killer depending on the RNG of the map.
I would probs argue the "wholesome" point because his "apology" he issued team eternal felt like a back-hander disguised as a hand shake how he said survivors while the survivors had to resort to "Cheap and boring Strategies" they still beat him fair and square. I dont buy it for one second. This man is poison for the DBD community, and I genuinely believe that. He single-handedly got SM nerfed, and is looking set to put the singularity in the same position, despite the roadmap saying otherwise.
@@abathurx9500 He was talking about the streamer streaming survivor in the video. They're the one with p100 Hux, not the chess player.
@@LucolanYT well fair enough, but my comment was aimed at the dick who held eternal for 50 minutes
Wholesome my ass, he immediately started crying about stream sniping, and called the killer bad for swinging at a window fake.
@@halfcutonion6342 I think just about everyone would get a little bit tilted if a killer dragged a game out for almost an HOUR.
This guy is a little melodramatic
A little?
found the 3 gen killer!
@@SubKnight151autistic people really need less internet access
@danielorlovaquinn how would you know this guy's autistic? He's got a point. That streamer was complaining and whining so much that game.
@@danielorlovaquinn agreed lol
You should do it with the exact same perks
I understand that a killer holding a 3 gen is annoying but that’s no reason to accuse him of stream sniping. He’s a p100 Sigularity main. By now he should know how this killer works and how he’s able to hold down a 3 gen so successfully. I actually comment this killer for holding it down like this. The longest 3 gen I held was with Artist but that only took me 20 minutes because the survivors were relentless and that was their downfall. I wish I could get a Singularity in any of my matches again. I find him to be a great killer that isn’t played enough. All I hear from this TTV is excuses.
Exactly dude I wasent even stream sniping
@@M_pres were you the Singularity in that match?
Thats a lot of survivor entitlment in those dialogs, even if the guy talking plays killer🤣If he just said "it's annoying to play against" and ended it there it would be a solid argument. But he probably knows there are so many more things annoying in this game🤣
I mean, it's pretty understandable as to why he sounds entitled and there's nothing more annoying than pretty much getting your game held hostage as there was little to no advancement in the game state. To put it into a reasonable perspective, you're playing a game that is meant to take 10-15 minutes usually with a fair amount of hooks and gens getting done and the killer here was trying to run the game to time out since the very start. He barely ever took chase and only focused on the gens getting guarded over everything else. The only time I have played like this is when I was out of options and could only defend the three gen left behind. It isn't fun to do and it isn't fun to play against either. This is one of the most annoying things to deal with by far on this map as it is super small and you can easily start a 3 gen as any killer.
its not entitlement, its a busted play style. Its not fun to go against and shouldnt be possible. Sigularuty and Knights do that on that Game and RPD. Holding the game til the clock runs out is crazy and its crazy for you to think thats ok
@@travismadison6552 I nearly held a game hostage for an hour by accident because I was gen rushed and I couldn't hook anyone, so I was just trying to do a three gen hold on fractured with knight because I was hoping one of the survivors would mess up and I eventually gave up on the hold and tried to get at least a kill. It's not that fun to do either, and for a guy to do this intentionally for an hour is just wrong.
That’s not entitlement. He has every right to be upset
oh no killers guarding a three gen the horror.
"he's not taking chase and downing people" also "Brittany and Riley are on death hook" ...
Soooo did he use flashbang at all?
"Our magical girl wands."
A gamer of culture too, I see.
The situation was definitely managable. They needed more split gen pressure. Grouping on gens especially in a 3 gen situation is never a good idea. I've been 3 genned by Singularity a few times and it usually worked out and we got 3 to 4 people out. I do agree that 3 gens are a problem in the game but not nearly as much as they used to be since CoB and Overcharge got nerfed
Are you suggesting that they should have... adapted their strategy?!?
*That's heresy in this game's community, son!*
Everyone knows that the real answer is to bitch and whine whenever somebody uses a strategy you don't like. Bonus points if you make things personal by throwing shade at them too!
@@arstulex i know ur joking but i do want to point out they had a random and ontop of that the strategy for countering this playstyle is ALOT more advanced than being able to 3 gen from the killer side as its basically just no commit anything. the skill discrepancy imo already indicates an issue
@@Keyourasa Sure, but ultimately that is a problem with the game's design, not this particular player.
There is no sense at all in personally attacking players for simply using a strategy the game allows them to, yet all too often that is exactly what happens. People should blame the devs for designing the game that way and take their issues up with them instead.
@arstulex i agree with u to a degree but also i understand that while ur in the game itself u dont really think of the big picture and just kinda want to shit on the killer for playing super lame.
Yea they for sure should have adapted the strat a bit more. But my point was is that its alot harder for the surv side to do that than the killer side of the 3 gen imo
But yea people do end up kinda shitting on people that play like tbis when it is a game issue but in the heat of the moment i think alot of us would.do the same
@@arstulexdamn even the other dude disagrees with your shitty take lol
the 3 gen is counterable but no one brings gen perks or tool boxes, everyone brings mft hope lithe and dead hard with a flashlight or medkit cause they want to pretend to be ayrun
Exactly and Cries later, these are the same survivor who doesn't know shit about game only knows how to complain and cry about how strong killer is.
People want to be the next mlg survivor shitting on killer mains like how Noob3 used to do. Clicking on the flashlights everytime they dropped a pallet. Dead Hard, and DSing killers even though they nerfed DS.
This is just a braindead take. Yes 3 gens is counterable is you know exactly what type of killer your going against problem is you don’t know if your going against a 3 gen knight or a speedy wesker that can get downs like no tommorow.
A P100 singularity. Man that takes commitment right there
that killer is a 3 gen king tbh, legend
Thank you my guy it was me lol
@@M_pres Haters gonna hate!
What did the killer do that was bad? Survivors can’t expect to win every game it was just bad luck get used it, it’s simply part of the game
Loving the facial hair 💪🏻 no wonder you were ghost for a bit, had to grow it out
everything else aside, a survivor can hold the game hostage too
I mean, a better question here is to ask; was it a hostage taking situation... Or just an endless tug of war of neither side wanting to give in?
Any killer who plays that way has intent of holding the survivors hostage. No one does that shit just to win. They do it to be an asshole.
It was hostage holding. I can tell you as a killer main that even I see that as pure hostage holding. Killers who aint douches wanna actually play and hook people. They wanna win chases, not abandon them to stay still and guard gens like that.
@@AaronScotz Except how do you know they "intend of holding hostage"? Not going for a play that will give you 1 single kill, for a literal loss on all other 3, is not being an asshole, that's just literal normal risk assessment. In literally any kind of context; "Take 1, let 3 go" is a horrible trade to make, DBD is no different, so it baffles me why you (generally, not personally) urge to seek malice into that.
You're quite literally mandating killers to play risky, because the alternative of being careful is an immoral way to play.
@@Knuffeldraak The game was NEVER designed around 3 genning. it's literally an exploit that has existed since the dawn of this game. Anyone who plays to defend the gens forever is either a POS who wants everyone to die of boredom, or they're just a person doing a winstreak (Winstreaks are boring btw).
@@FinestFantasyVI Bro, the gaslighting there is real. There is no "one way to play", playing reckless and completely mindless about your enemy's objectives, absolutely is not the only way play. It may be YOUR preferable way to play as or against, but the literal fact Zone Control killers exist, hat all killers can destroy/regress generator progress, and that lots of perks exist that destroys (not just hinders/delays) survivor objective progress, completely defeats the point that "chase, down, hook, repeat" is the only way to play you try to advocate there. The whole "Brutality" scoring event of the killer is CENTRIC around Survivor Objective Denial.
As a Hux enjoyed, I've had many matches that naturally turned into 3gens. And almost all of them end in my favor. While it can be hard for the survs, it's still very winnable. But on maps like the game or RPD, it feels like I can never lose. But that being said, any killer can 3gen. Especially with those perks.
If you are playing 3gen singularity against 4survivors you cant commit to chase. If you go after pre running survivor it takes 10-15sec to catch up you hit him he runs across the map it takes another 10-15sec to down him then you have to travel back to the gens because your biopod is destroyed and it takes 20seconds to go back to the gen. 15+10+20=55seconds so the gen is already 95% done from the start and survivors will just tank one hit to avoid surge/eruption and commit the gen to adrenaline pop. So yes you have to play your cards right. Committing to a chase is not an option. You have to catch injured survivors offguard to get eruption and surge value or inflict broken as much to make gens regress very fast with call of brine and overcharge. Also you have to make good biopod setup to emps to force them to use those and then they need to wait 110seconds to get another emp in certain location. Its like FNAF and playing cards with your perks and add ons
This could be countered by just split gen-ning and not running too far away from the gen after getting chased away so you can tap it or distract him on one gen long enough
Exactly. 3 genning is 100% an issue but running off to heal every time someone gets hit is why this group wasn’t able to get the gens done
@@caydencoyle5513oh so they should't have healed and went back to the gen to be insta down? Got it thanks😊
this three gen was held at the start of the match and thus they couldn't break it early even if they started the game doing those gens
Yeah, the way that killer player was camping a three-gen from the start and specifically using hooks in the radius to gain kills, unless he started slugging healing at every opp was all they could do to try. The EMPs need to be buffed for scenarios like this as that's really the main way to counter someone who obviously has no life (otherwise how would they find that kind of match enjoyable and fun).
The only way you could try and force the 3-gen to end early is a 4-SWF, and have all of you running Deja Vu. That way, the DV bonus can be split across all three gens, even with a singularity using the Pods. One person per gen with DV and maybe other perks for Gen Speed, etc. is the best way to counter this. DV may have seemed broken when it was first buffed but it really helps situations like this. Oh and if the killer isn't chasing you beyond a certain point, you can probably use Self-care safely while they go back to kick the gen you were just chased from, giving a teammate time to get more DV progress on a different gen. Stick close and hope, avoiding hooks and healing. The killer will eventually lose that 3-Gen if you pressure it enough at the beginning. But getting randos to coop with that would ofc make it harder to do
@100TenaciousD No, they should have to at least switch up their approach and apply pressure. They could have afford going down maybe, but even with this they probably would still all die
Idk how Coconut has the most brain-dead fanbase when he himself is a pretty decent guy. Love how so many of y'all can't comprehend that forcing a 3gen from the start isn't healthy for the game.
It's an inherent curse of the game itself. You cannot get rid of it because it's defined as optimal play for many killers. There's literally no way to play DBD and also not have this playstyle incentivized by people who want to win. The only real solution is not to play. "Spreading pressure" is not a real strategy for most of the roster.
@@1wakuralaini honestly feel that adding conditions like having to hook people would make those gen regression perks more manageable. (And the game reaching the hour mark just boots everyone from the game)
Hm..and forcing infinites and unwinnable games ain't healthy either
@@StopWhiningManguideCultistsinfinites haven't been in the game for a while,and please, describe an unwinnable game that's on par with forcing a 3gen until the game kills the 4 survivors off
@@puppo3895What would you do to get rid of 3 gens play style?
honestly the fear really resonates with me cause i loved skull merchant cause it gave me lots of fun stealth control almost feeling like an alt version of pig for me, but the playstyle nerffed and ruined everything i loved about her kit making it feel like i wasted my time even trying to learn something other than my main
Dude the new SM seems even stronger to me. Lots of stealth, lots of speed-up, making survivors broken and hindered AND damaging them without even touching them. How is she in any way weaker? Her drones can still be placed right next to gens as well. It was all around a buff. The only buff I support is her chase music as it went from unbearable to bad
SM is so much better. I started maining her cus her drones now crush Made For This users. Shame it's gonna counter her now lol
@@Warriorsoul101Not gonna lie, that was smart thinking. Thankfully, with the new nerf to MFT, you don't have to stoop so low and play her ever again
@@Sachiko_ZeingorNow you should instead play her because she's fun. You get alot of zoomies and free info.
The only real reason someone wouldn't wanna play her now is bias. Seeing as people haven't moved on yet...
She's much better now, heck, she wasn't "nerfed" in a traditional sense, she was reworked, balanced.
Though I must say, I've been running more chase perks on her and the speed you can get her up to us nutty, I remember stacking enough haste to keep pace with survs using sprint burst.
Anyone who actually plays killer knows that holding a 3 gen isn't fun, it's basically what the devs have morphed the game to being. If you play "fair", according to how the survivors want you to play, you get smoked, game after game. It's not fun playing Killer...
I've never heard so many survivors moans before in my life. They don't have any problem with doing all gens at 4 minutes, but god forbid a killer can hold 3 gens for more than 20 minutes or they "riot".
But a 3-gen for 20 minutes is a serious problem though
bro thinks holding 3 gens for 20 mins is fun 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I knowwwwwwwwwww, it's so annoying! both complain too much!
agreed. survivors are so used to getting what they want i really like seeing a long 3 gen like this.
Found the killer main! What's your Reddit account buddy?
i was waiting for the plot twist of coconut being the killer
I actually had a singularity do almost the exact same thing on The Game. It was really hard and eventually two of my survivor buddys gave up, and eventually the killer gave up at let us do the last gen! It is extremely hard to break a good 3 gen on a singularity with overcharged, call of brine, eruption, and whatever fourth gen perk they put on. Note this was I think BEFORE the decrease in biopod time (when it was like a minute long)
I use to have oppression as a perk when I did 3 gen skull merchant 😂
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN literally no one cares bot
@@PumKat666 I see you mad, must’ve lost against many 3 gen sm lmao
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN if I was mad it'd be obvious, but literally no one cares💀 You are quite literally the "Hex: Mommy Milkers" 2.0 lmao
@@PumKat666 you’re not mad and no one cares but yet you had to comment and respond back to me. If you not mad and don’t care then leave my comment alone 🤡🥴🤣.
my dude here sweating his heart out with his com friends "oh no, he isn't letting us win", such entitlement
yeah the amount of shit the killer had to do vs the survivors
I main singularity and playing on the game is always so fun for me because if the survivors screw up and give me a 3 gen (i never intentionally set up 3 gens because i know its annoying to go against) then i basically always win. Singularity does have an advantage on 3 gens because you can be in two places at once much easier so usually i end up feeling bad at around 15 minutes and just let the survs go.
Never feel bad for them. They wouldn't feel the same for you.
@@AaronScotzThis ^
A sad chunk of survivors feel zero remorse popping 3 gens in no time at all.
@mint5438 Exactly. I'll never forget them abusing Boon circle of healing, and neither should anyone else. That era was absolute pain.
Most don’t know where the gens are and work them as they come across it so screw up wouldn’t be the right word I’d say. Some knight try to 3 gen me but he made a big mistake that day cause I was on my cheese account 😂
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN So you admit to cheating? Then you're worse than the knight.
I love the ending to this. it REALLY pins this less on the game mechanics and more on the player.
is it possible in the game? certainly. mathematically anyway. but just like that player, they have to be willing to do ALL that. If someones willing to go that far waste that much time, and do that much mathematically there IS no solution; its already far from optimal to be doing and Mathematically difficult to Acheive. the problem isn't the singularity, the problem is that the player will go any length to hold others hostage and fufill that playstyle.
we need to spread that message a bit more. as a killer main i've played solo survivor and there's not many nice killers I've seen. and before the anti-camp update i saw a LOT of camping as well. people are just finding ways to play the game in the least fun, most universally subjectivley agreed upon boring way, and really ruining other's fun. and while their fun isn't your responsability, you should really be kind to your fellow players, or just not play multiplayer games. multiplayer games aren't meant to breed the sort of degenerate competitiveness that makes people want to hold others hostage and prevent them from having fun in their game for an hour. i will be legitimatley suprised if one person can name a game that breeds this type of toxic mentality and behavior (besides yugioh and other card games, as i've heard running the clock is genuine arguments in tournaments and whatnot.)
TLDR: love that coconut leaves the conclusion in OUR hands. are we willing to do ALL that just to use that fundamentally unhealthy playstyle? if your Answer is yes, you are mathematically a bad person XD
This is the only game I've ever seen with so many "unwritten rules". It's crazy how many players cry and complain when people use a strategy they don't like.
the game developers have even come out to say this isn’t how it’s meant to be played and they are looking to fix it, that’s why they changed SM and will
Be making changes to this “strategy” in 2024. Basically bring gen regression perks, sit and watch the 3 gens that are right next to each other and that’s that.
people rly think "don't hold game hostage" = unwritten rule?
@@The-Doctor6969 not letting survivors win= holding game hostage?
@@RatKingTerry letting the game go on for an hour = not letting survivors win?
Amzing video! Loved it. Nice productiin and writing. Got me hooked til the end.
Danke! I've been doing my best to improve my editing. I'm glad you enjoyed it
Survivors jumping to conclusion again. DBD community never disappoints.
The likelihood that you will encounter that singularity ever again is ridiculously low.
This is how you deal with a SWF. What's wrong?!
Frrr
There's nothing wrong with playing with friends, tunneling or three gens just bc someone is playing with there friends is toxic
@@BlaiddTheHalfWolfyou are right nothing is wrong with playing with your friends. The problem is the killer is alone so It becomes difficult, and they use strategies like 3 gens. It's not toxic the killer just wants to stand a chance
@@s-k-i-t-e4388 tunneling isn't fair for the survivors
Sometimes the players just arent good enough to figure out how to win. Thats just how it is...
Unpopular opinion, 3 gens are very counterable but most people don't pay attention. Tired of people acting like the killers absolutely HAVE to play in a way that allows survivors to use even less brain cells for a win, while killers are constantly being given new perks and metas to deal with
Depends on the map. The Game is impossible to break a 3 gen on if the killer is 100% committed to only protecting those 3 gens and running full slow down. Not all killers play like this, but on this map in specific, it's easy to do this with any and all killers, especially if they have movement options.
So are survivors wtf? And with sfws maybe? But solo queue which is the majority of the player base 3 gens is almost impossible without any coordination.
( also depends on the killer and perks)
@@Devilhand21 i'm sorry but even the 3 gen in this video was not "impossible to break". they just prioritized denying hooks over completing generators.
@@Slukke Did you not see what the singularity was doing? Do you not know what the singularity was doing? Because the singularity was intentionally not going for hooks and was going for time out, which instantly kills survivors, and had nearly succeeded at accomplishing this. Maybe if this was a very well coordinated 4man swf that knew right off the bat, then this 3gen chain could be broken, but it would be a very hard task regardless. And if it wasn't almost impossible to break, why did we get an update to prevent 3gens anymore?
Can't we just be happy with the video game. I love playing killer and if they need us again I'ma riot
streamer survivor with bully perk cry ? Oh no! anyway....
The craziest part is the random they had never DCd.
Last time i was held hostage i was trying to vibe as deathslinger and was being bullied by a squad of flashies on tobas landing
"I'm afriad they are going to rework my favorite killer because of one guy"
Me a Skull Merchant main who always chased and hates the new rework because her chase sucks: *First time?*
Say that you're an unliked loser without telling me you're an unliked loser
That guy:
"He's STrEaM sNIPING! HE'S CHEaTIiNG!"
I do believe the devs mentioned somewhere (the skull merchant rework, maybe?) That they were working on a permanent 3 gen solution
1 survivor remaining, 1 gen left: I have a tendency to find and block hatch to force the last survivor to finish the last gen and exit via gate for the "Left For Dead" achievement. Not everyone likes that, been told I've holding hostage, but it can't be -- it's not preventing progression of the game. Do the gen, get out the gate, collect your achievement
I dunno. This doesnt seem as bad as its being made out to be. I mean I get that people hate 3 gen strategy, but it is what it is. It requires some luck, too. And as a killer, you have to play very specifically.
Not really. Just equip the gen regression perks and identify the 3 gens and make sure no one touches those. I use to 3 gen with SM and never lost, I’ll do it here and there with knight but I got bored with it
i actually see this done with demogorgon very often. when i get a singularity they never do this and it's a fun game win or lose.
i think it was a combination of map, gen spawns, perks and the killer all mixed together in just the right way for sheer stupidity. i dont think it's a problem with singularity because nurse could do this. or blight.. or demo or anyone with a movement ability really on that map.
as for solutions, i wonder if adding another generator spawn would help as there could be 1 person on each gen. you could also have the entity just straight up move 1 of the generators far away on the last gen. generators could use a new mechanic around them anyway. i also think a buff to remaining survivors healing and or gen speed when someone dies would help here and against tunnelling to keep survivors in the match if a game seems hopeless. the hatch could also automatically spawn in after 20 minutes or 25 as a method of escape. the killer could close it, starting the exit gates. if the hatch spawns closed you could have a key chest in the basement be a thing after the 25 minutes so there's something else to do besides be locked on gens.
This is actually really funny, I got this SAME playstyle, SAME map but with the Doctor. He refused to chase anyone, just stall you out until you give up, or until the match closes.
@CoconutRTS I really enjoy your streams. I dont get a chance to watch you live unfortunately. 😢 I catch my notifications and definitely watch all of them. Ty for streams ❤
I don't get how this is a problem.
I also need to say the empty accusations of sniping do not look good.
DBD doesn't care if killers lose only when they win.
holding a game for hour is a win? u need to check a doctor.
matches shouldn't last more than 15 mins, if you actually felt it u know how stupid its to be part of the game
@@KingDarkHacks Calm down bro, I didn't say anything about holding a game for an hour.
There is no killer that kills less than half of the survivors. Stop bitching, lmao. Even the least lethal killer Doctor, who is used by literal BP farming bots en masse, has a kill rate of 52%. If you can't be better than a bot, don't talk lmao.
There is no scenario where killer has a harder time than survivors. SWF or solo, high or low MMR, best of worst killer; in all cases, killers kill more survivors than they let escape.
Typical complaint factory. Good video.
People forget a video game is supposed to be fun
No one has the right on being the killer, just because its your favourite, doesn't mean you have dibs...
Nerfs or buffs, the only ones who has the say, is the devs...
But Coconut, you’re not using the same perks?
"I don't want my favourite killer to get nerfed because of how this person is playing, so I'm going to send footage of this match to a content creator who will show it to thousands of people, encourage more people to play this way and thus potentially result in my favourite killer being nerfed" - logic.
Now everyone and their mother will be doing this until BHVR inevitably have to provide a band-aid fix with nerfs as they aren't tackling the "3 gen" situation until 2024, according to their roadmap.
The only reason I don’t stop playing this god forsaken game is because of your videos coco
3 gen is a viable strategy, as survivor you should see it happening way before the last gen and do something about it (especially as a SWF). Its not nearly as bad as camping and tunneling or even slugging. Which are all mandatory if you play competitively, or you will get rolled by good survivors.
Sure some maps are worse than others and make it hard to do something about it, but not every game can be a win. Sometimes things are not in your favor, welcome to life.
At least coco got some content out of it I guess.
It is viable, but really annoying regardless. And the swf already saw it happening and wanted to stop it, and it was the random that didn't and messed it up. Camping, slugging and tunneling can be annoying too, but there are perks set up to prevent this from happening. There isn't much of a way to counter a really good three gen. Sure, not every game can be a win or goes in our favor. That is a part of life, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.
this is completely counterable tho it requires sync and commitment from the team.
I noticed at least 1 mistake but HUGE mistake that survivors did from the bits you showed on the match, that is, every survivor needs to choose 1 gen and tunnel it but the mistake i saw a few times is that they gave free hits on the singularity.
Whenever he watches with a non-functional cam and stops watching, YOU NEED TO LEAVE ASAP to a safe loop or hide in the vicinity, not even close to the gen, but hopefully on your vision, singularity kicks it and you go back inmediately, if this keeps going, 1 gen WILL fall but its exclusively about not giving him free hits.
1 hit is just not worth to leave a gen on 30% instead of 28%
If you're unable to break a 3 gen while in a discord party of friends idk what to tell you.
the "really" at 11:11 was so gross and nasally that I literally felt it at the back of my throat
this lizard guy is a whiny cry baby, what else is the killer supposed to do?
One of the saddest things about getting into dbd content recently is how rampant the entitlement is in this soft community. If these people watched a single QuietKills video they would turn to dust on the spot
The no speed-boost is a Singularity specific bug as much as I know; encountered this a few times against Singularity players myself.
This man is the type of guy that mains survivor so much that when he plays killer he only does it to get every killer nerfed
Turtle guy cried all game
He's right
Every 10 minutes with no gens being fully repaired, the entity shuffles the gen locations. Easy fix.
That would be amazing. They need to change the game mode if not addin a new one. This would be one of the poasible changes to a better outcome.
Bring this comment to the top guys
I would make it 20 since if no gens were done by then it would be a true hostage situation and most DBD games are only 10 minutes
The thing is that the game is supposed to get more killer sides the longer the game goes. Survivors have limited resources that they slowly run out of.
Too complicated for BHVR to implement. This is BHVR we're talking about. A better fix would be to just fix gen spawns as a whole. Even if they can't fix gen spawns, the least they can do is make the gen speed faster at 1 gen remaining if all the gens are within close proximity to each other (Basically base kit Deja Vu for 1 gen remaining).
I just wanna say, the way you narrated this video reminded me of ghost advesntures when they ask if there really a ghost😂
To be honest, Having TTV in your name is just an excuse to say "He's streamsniping" as soon as something doesnt go your way.
Cm9i_ has actually been this way since he's had 300 hours in the game WAAAAY before going against eternal. How do I know? He left a comment on my buddies profile after he dced cause I had gotten home and we like to play together. It was something along the lines of "-rep dced against a 300 hour skull merchant just because he missed a head on"
oh my bad i looked at the comment he left he himself said "-rep boring and predictable tactics.. and lost to a 180 hour killer LOL" sooooo do with that with what you will i guess