People give way too much importance to light weight wheels tires. Shedding few pounds of wheel weight for a drag race is like shaving your legs to prep for a swimming. Sure it could make a difference between gold and silver in the olympics, but for some guy swimming laps in the rec pool, it's not going to matter.
@@flyonbyya he did research if you had watched the video. He did a live comparison to see the difference from listed and actual. He did gained what he wanted which was a new look. Use eyes and ears before commenting.
You nailed it look wise Brooks, of course the rotational mass will help acceleration and deceleration but the real benefit is in cornering you know the unsprung weight reduction is critical for handling. Also what a bargain!!!!
The super lightweight wheels definitely looks the part. And great work on the wheel swapping and performance grading between the wheels, you really are passionate about your work.
Like the old ones better, makes the car look more robust!! But, both ways look good though. Thanks for your time and effort Brooks. You know we'll appreciated.
Tire weight plays a big role as you’ve pointed out. However, the main benefits of wheel, along with especially tire weight, is that it’s reducing unsprung weight (which helps with damping control/ride), as well as the rotational inertia. The benefit of having a lower rotational inertia, is that it will noticeably improve your accel. times. Specifically, the more you reduce the mass of the wheel out at its extremes (ie especially at the tire tread), the more your rotational inertia will decrease. Here’s a good reference as to how it improves acceleration: www.caranddriver.com/features/a15130598/upsized-wheels-tires/
Terry Forth really? How many people fit larger brakes to their cars and think, ‘maybe I better not fit these as their heavier’? Your better off removing weight from the car, seats etc. (costs nothing) One less gallon of fuel in the tank will be better than spending thousands on lighter wheels!
Water Gate based on your response, I can only assume that you don’t know what rotational inertia means, and you didn’t bother to read the article either. Mass does not have the same effect everywhere on the car. For example, do you know why E90/2 M3 implemented a Carbon Fiber roof? Do you really think it was simply to reduce vehicle weight??
Terry Forth lol. I used to have a m3 csl actually. Great track day car. Unsprung weight on a street car isn’t as important as sprung weight. Most people wouldn’t notice any difference with lighter wheels on the street. That’s why clever people don’t concern their self with it 👍 I forgot to add that my m3 also had a thinner rear screen as well as the carbon roof. If you think bmw did this other than weight saving, your talking to the wrong guy? Byyyyyyyyyye
Been watching your channel for years now and have to say car youtubers (Shmee) needs to be more like you. Instead of just mindlessly showing off your cars you actually do very constructive testing, keep it up.
I constantly tell so many of my car buddies that changing wheels and tires will do so much more than paying for some mods and tunes. You pretty much showed a perfect example here. Nice video Brook. Look forward to seeing you at Jumbolair in April. I am a sponsor this time around.
So much better looking w the new wheels! And when it comes to unsprung weight on the car if you dont go to a smaller wheel or a composite wheel ur not gonna lose that much weight. All wheels have to meet rigidity standards so to lose crazy weight on wheels that both are considered spoke designs is tough. 8lbs total is a lot of weight to lose in unsprung mass on the corners. Car looks completely different w the new wheels congrats
Good test. The new wheels look better; not worth the McLaren upcharge money if paying full price though. You got it all for a steal; can't beat that.😇 As far as your tire street testing; an expected outcome. However, I noticed your rear tires psi settings - between 29 & 30. Believe it or not, those Pirelli tires prefer a little more air for better traction/middle patch contact. Pressure between 34 & 36 cold may result in slightly better 0-60 times. The fronts at 38psi are fine...less rolling resistance. Just passing along a piece of personal findings during my own Pirelli tires testing experiences.😀
Love the new wheels. I think 8lbs of savings is ok when you equate it to rotating mass. Just do what Demon owners do and rip everything out of your $300k car when you race!!!
The super light weight wheels look much better and suits the car more as compared to older wheels they were also nice but the newer ones just looks nicer
Every pound counts. Slight plus being rotating weight but I'd say it was worth it. Change up a look a bit and can run very different rubber just changing the wheels out. Just need to be careful when you start going down the weight savings route. "This week on DragTimes I run the 720s with full interior then without". 3 episodes later and all he has is a seat cushion and bungee cords for the driver.
you also have to remember that even stock wheels on your high end cars are forged anyway. Its not like your going from a cast aluminum wheel to a forged wheel. In the cast wheel case you would be dropping good weight when going to a ultra light wheel. But, since money is no object here, 2 lbs per wheel is significant. Good test. I bet cast to ultra light must be close to 4lbs per wheel, which would be awesome.
Hit that on the nail buddy the Toyo is a little heavier but the Toyo grip is way more compared to the Pirelli.. I don't like Pirelli tires I like the old wheels better nice video and I have the same impact and love it!!! That McLaren is amazing piece of technological genius
Both wheels look great! The weight savings isn't mind blowing when you think in terms of lbs. But considering it's all unsprung weight, the benefits are immense.
fronts were 1# lighter with wheel and tire combo. What was the difference between the tires? Same size tire can be 3# difference depending on make/model. Your super light-weight wheels are probably more than just 1# lighter. Pirelli Pzero's by the way are pretty light tires.
To begin with, I wouldn't have picked that particular style with the old wheels, so yea for what is worth I definitely prefer the new light weight reels, at least they look so much better. I think once you put on some Toyos you should see some benefits. Make sure you get them balanced though.
Im surprised the pzero grip tires did well. I was guessing a 3 sec 0-60 time. Goes to show how well the 720s puts the power down. It would be spin city in my viper. Thats why i left those tires on my stock wheels and switched to Pilot Sport 4S on Forgelines.
That 1/2 Fuel Impact is a bit too large and overkill for your lug nuts. I'm really digging the new 3/8 Fuel Stubby that uses the smaller M12 batteries and delivers 250 foot pounds.
Brooks what's your take on an aftermarket carbon fiber if the price point was the same? I know your Ford GT has them from the factory but an equivalent size vs the lightweight on the mclaren, any clue how much additional you might save?
Both sets looks amazing. From a performance perspective it would have been very nice to have seen the difference of the actual rims (with same tires at same wear level). But cool anyway :-)
Love me some Milwaukee. Curious though testing it with a torque how close to set spec it is. I have some many batteries for Milwaukee hope i can find it with no battery or charger.
Wow impressed the 720s did a 0-60 3.0 sec. GTR I was in just did without launch control 0-60 3.76sec (2.45 60 foot). But 0-60 2.50 (1.70 60 foot) with launch control. Car was modded.
Nice vid Brooks!... man put the best tyre on the lightest wheel!!! every bit counts... :) or you can lose 3 pounds of bodyweight and have the same effect :)
Shit for 2 grand those rims better come with the diamonds they were cut with, especially if I already optioned $6000 for 8lbs weight savings. Ridiculous.
I actually like the old wheels better. I picked those in silver on my spider order but im having them immediately powder costed in hi gloss black. After this video I don't regret not speccing the super light weight wheels either!
Another great video Brooks! I have a question for you...I have heard that the R888Rs have a lot of road noise with standard street driving....is that true? I am thinking of running them on my vette rear tires.....and Michelin cup 2 tires on the front to help reduce road noise....sound logic??
I would have the Toyos on the super lightweight wheels for drag racing. Even a few Lbs can make a difference in a drag race.
Josh Vee my thoughts exactly
Yea but then his wheels won’t match when he’s street driving. Unless he switches all 4 every time.
@@juanox10 but he said he doesn't want to use the R888R's in street or track.
People give way too much importance to light weight wheels tires. Shedding few pounds of wheel weight for a drag race is like shaving your legs to prep for a swimming. Sure it could make a difference between gold and silver in the olympics, but for some guy swimming laps in the rec pool, it's not going to matter.
Love the new wheels. Old ones were good too. But that diamond cut is so nice.
Brooks looked disappointed with the 1 pound savings on the front wheel
Javier Guerra
He should have researched the weight before buying.
He gained nothing...
But they look good
@@flyonbyya he did research and it did not pan out
@@flyonbyya he did research if you had watched the video. He did a live comparison to see the difference from listed and actual. He did gained what he wanted which was a new look. Use eyes and ears before commenting.
That acceleration is unbelievable!
When I don’t see dragtimes when I get on UA-cam I’m not having a good day , good to see you man
Put the R888 on the lighter wheels Brooks. Do a 1lb rolling mass calculation.
You nailed it look wise Brooks, of course the rotational mass will help acceleration and deceleration but the real benefit is in cornering you know the unsprung weight reduction is critical for handling. Also what a bargain!!!!
Looks a lot better Brooks. Solid pick up for that price.
The super lightweight wheels definitely looks the part. And great work on the wheel swapping and performance grading between the wheels, you really are passionate about your work.
Like the old ones better, makes the car look more robust!! But, both ways look good though. Thanks for your time and effort Brooks. You know we'll appreciated.
thanks!
Tire weight plays a big role as you’ve pointed out. However, the main benefits of wheel, along with especially tire weight, is that it’s reducing unsprung weight (which helps with damping control/ride), as well as the rotational inertia. The benefit of having a lower rotational inertia, is that it will noticeably improve your accel. times. Specifically, the more you reduce the mass of the wheel out at its extremes (ie especially at the tire tread), the more your rotational inertia will decrease. Here’s a good reference as to how it improves acceleration: www.caranddriver.com/features/a15130598/upsized-wheels-tires/
Terry Forth really? How many people fit larger brakes to their cars and think, ‘maybe I better not fit these as their heavier’? Your better off removing weight from the car, seats etc. (costs nothing) One less gallon of fuel in the tank will be better than spending thousands on lighter wheels!
Water Gate based on your response, I can only assume that you don’t know what rotational inertia means, and you didn’t bother to read the article either. Mass does not have the same effect everywhere on the car. For example, do you know why E90/2 M3 implemented a Carbon Fiber roof? Do you really think it was simply to reduce vehicle weight??
Terry Forth lol. I used to have a m3 csl actually. Great track day car. Unsprung weight on a street car isn’t as important as sprung weight. Most people wouldn’t notice any difference with lighter wheels on the street. That’s why clever people don’t concern their self with it 👍
I forgot to add that my m3 also had a thinner rear screen as well as the carbon roof. If you think bmw did this other than weight saving, your talking to the wrong guy? Byyyyyyyyyye
@@watergate9557 unsprung weight is more important. You could not be more wrong. Please, do a quick search.
Water Gate sorry man, the others are right.
Been watching your channel for years now and have to say car youtubers (Shmee) needs to be more like you. Instead of just mindlessly showing off your cars you actually do very constructive testing, keep it up.
The wheels look really great. Thanks for the testing, it was informative.
I constantly tell so many of my car buddies that changing wheels and tires will do so much more than paying for some mods and tunes. You pretty much showed a perfect example here. Nice video Brook. Look forward to seeing you at Jumbolair in April. I am a sponsor this time around.
I prefer the look of the old rims, but I understand the fun in changing up the looks. Keep up the good work on the channel it’s very entertaining.
So much better looking w the new wheels! And when it comes to unsprung weight on the car if you dont go to a smaller wheel or a composite wheel ur not gonna lose that much weight. All wheels have to meet rigidity standards so to lose crazy weight on wheels that both are considered spoke designs is tough. 8lbs total is a lot of weight to lose in unsprung mass on the corners. Car looks completely different w the new wheels congrats
This is becoming my favorite channel. I’m geeking out on this shit.
Good test. The new wheels look better; not worth the McLaren upcharge money if paying full price though. You got it all for a steal; can't beat that.😇
As far as your tire street testing; an expected outcome. However, I noticed your rear tires psi settings - between 29 & 30. Believe it or not, those Pirelli tires prefer a little more air for better traction/middle patch contact. Pressure between 34 & 36 cold may result in slightly better 0-60 times. The fronts at 38psi are fine...less rolling resistance. Just passing along a piece of personal findings during my own Pirelli tires testing experiences.😀
New wheels look great with the black/ chrome on the roof line
God damn the 0-60 times are incredible!! That must be so much fun experiencing that kind of G force
Beautiful new wheels I would I think the lightweight wheels with the super sticky Tokyo’s would reap the best times at the track.
Love the look of the super light weight 😎👍
New one looks captivating. Can't get eyes of this new tyres
Why would you not run the Toyos on the lighter new wheel? The new ones look badass!
Love the new wheels. I think 8lbs of savings is ok when you equate it to rotating mass. Just do what Demon owners do and rip everything out of your $300k car when you race!!!
Demons come stock without the passenger seat Einstein.
But don't do like demon owners do and lose every race it has on this channel.
The super light weight wheels look much better and suits the car more as compared to older wheels they were also nice but the newer ones just looks nicer
The super light weight wheels look so much better, in my opinion.
Every pound counts. Slight plus being rotating weight but I'd say it was worth it. Change up a look a bit and can run very different rubber just changing the wheels out. Just need to be careful when you start going down the weight savings route. "This week on DragTimes I run the 720s with full interior then without". 3 episodes later and all he has is a seat cushion and bungee cords for the driver.
Love these kinds of videos testing new mods
you also have to remember that even stock wheels on your high end cars are forged anyway. Its not like your going from a cast aluminum wheel to a forged wheel. In the cast wheel case you would be dropping good weight when going to a ultra light wheel. But, since money is no object here, 2 lbs per wheel is significant. Good test. I bet cast to ultra light must be close to 4lbs per wheel, which would be awesome.
I think the 720s original wheels looked amazing!!!
You should put the toyos on the superlights and the P0s on the regular rims
Those new wheels go perfect with the car trim look clean af
New superlight Wheels are killer, looks much better with them instead with the others….
Hit that on the nail buddy the Toyo is a little heavier but the Toyo grip is way more compared to the Pirelli.. I don't like Pirelli tires I like the old wheels better nice video and I have the same impact and love it!!! That McLaren is amazing piece of technological genius
Both wheels look great!
The weight savings isn't mind blowing when you think in terms of lbs. But considering it's all unsprung weight, the benefits are immense.
Old rims looks better for me, but the lighter wheels with the Toyo tire for the Dragstrip ftw ! Keep the good Video Stuff. Cheers from Germany
I like the look of the new take off wheels way way better they make that car looks so much better. The other ones look like old 90s rims
Great video ! I have a 570S with Corso, going for the R888R for sure
Prefer the new wheels... They give the car a completely different look.. Very nice...
fronts were 1# lighter with wheel and tire combo. What was the difference between the tires? Same size tire can be 3# difference depending on make/model. Your super light-weight wheels are probably more than just 1# lighter. Pirelli Pzero's by the way are pretty light tires.
New wheels look great
Love your videos
Thanks a lot, Brooks! Keep them coming and keep Toyos)
Nobody is going to comment on the difference between Pirelli tires and Toyo's?
I'm curious to see the difference in performance
Aren’t there 1-4 buttons on the base of that rig that do the exact same thing without connecting to another device?
Always the best content! Keep it up!
To begin with, I wouldn't have picked that particular style with the old wheels, so yea for what is worth I definitely prefer the new light weight reels, at least they look so much better. I think once you put on some Toyos you should see some benefits. Make sure you get them balanced though.
New wheels are legendary!
Two tenths of a second shaved off means two tenths of a second shaved off on quarter mile time as well for THIS (not all) car!💯
True but isnt harder to be faster 0 to 60 in a 3 sec 0-60 car than it is with a car thats slower? He was faster with only 1lbs difference
When i hear super lightweight i think of carbon fibre wheels...
Wouldn't be stock
Or graphite
wish tesla had super lightweight as their $4000 are 28.75lb just for rims and I looking at ones that £1400 and sub 20lb per rim
yeah i agree the toyo's would be scary in the rain but i think you'd be fine also new wheels look dope
love the new wheels!! looks fresh
Love my Milwaukee bluetooth 18v impact and hammer drill.
I know I would like to see that beautiful hurican with a couple turbos in the rear and a underground sticker along the bottom of the rocker.
I think the new rims look better suited for the car than the old ones!
Im surprised the pzero grip tires did well. I was guessing a 3 sec 0-60 time.
Goes to show how well the 720s puts the power down. It would be spin city in my viper. Thats why i left those tires on my stock wheels and switched to Pilot Sport 4S on Forgelines.
Brooks I love ur vids, always watch them anda hope soon seing ur 720 vs the svj would be a really nice video, as always deserving a Like
How do R888R's compare to TrackAttack, or RE-71RS in street acceleration?
That 1/2 Fuel Impact is a bit too large and overkill for your lug nuts. I'm really digging the new 3/8 Fuel Stubby that uses the smaller M12 batteries and delivers 250 foot pounds.
Brooks what's your take on an aftermarket carbon fiber if the price point was the same? I know your Ford GT has them from the factory but an equivalent size vs the lightweight on the mclaren, any clue how much additional you might save?
when is the old GT being driven?
Sorry non related but which merchant can create and sell personall clothing brand?
6:44 Is that 6.8 MPG mileage i'm looking at?
How about a new wrap on the 720 to wake it up!
You love that car and it deserves it, well done. By the way we also love it, don't get jealous.
Brooks , r888r 315/30/20 for rear but are you using 255/35/19 for front or 245/35/19?
Both sets looks amazing. From a performance perspective it would have been very nice to have seen the difference of the actual rims (with same tires at same wear level). But cool anyway :-)
How much more comfortable are the stock tires compared to the Toyo's? What drawbacks do the Toyo's have on public roads?
no rotor protectors to safeguard chipping a rotor?
Why not put on some Michelin Cup2 tyres??
DragTimes Great Video I think the Super Lightweight wheels look awesome
New wheels look awesome
Rotational mass so it's so it's weight x 1.6 I think. Used to think it was x10 but can't find writing saying that.
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Loved the video man.
Its so disappointing to see only a pound decrease, I think McLaren needs to change the name of those rims. lol
yea, "kind of super lightweight"... :)
Love me some Milwaukee. Curious though testing it with a torque how close to set spec it is. I have some many batteries for Milwaukee hope i can find it with no battery or charger.
Love your videos but it is kind of strange you have like four lifts and still use a floor jack LOL great stuff
Wow impressed the 720s did a 0-60 3.0 sec. GTR I was in just did without launch control 0-60 3.76sec (2.45 60 foot). But 0-60 2.50 (1.70 60 foot) with launch control. Car was modded.
Please upload 720s vs GT! we've been waiting for really long!
Do you normally do your runs on race fuel? And} do you use minimum fuel for weight optimization?
Nice vid Brooks!... man put the best tyre on the lightest wheel!!! every bit counts... :) or you can lose 3 pounds of bodyweight and have the same effect :)
interesting video! keep up the good work!
where is the video of 720s vs P1!!!!?
What brand and where did you get the jack?
What is the name of the speed recorder and where can I find it? Great video by the way and thanks for the info!
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Looking good brother!!!
New wheels look amazing from far.
Time 1/4 mili huracan performante?
Those wheels looks awesome
It looks way better with the new wheels
I like the old wheels better... one of the best modern stock wheel designs.
Your entitled to your opinion ☻
Shit for 2 grand those rims better come with the diamonds they were cut with, especially if I already optioned $6000 for 8lbs weight savings. Ridiculous.
I actually like the old wheels better. I picked those in silver on my spider order but im having them immediately powder costed in hi gloss black. After this video I don't regret not speccing the super light weight wheels either!
2.7 secs kills
0.2 diffirence like +100 hp at that level
7.0 mpg is also great way to get rid of weight
Thanks for the edit! :-)
Another great video Brooks! I have a question for you...I have heard that the R888Rs have a lot of road noise with standard street driving....is that true? I am thinking of running them on my vette rear tires.....and Michelin cup 2 tires on the front to help reduce road noise....sound logic??
thanks! they R888R are a bit loud at high speeds, but I don't mind it.... putting them on just the rears helps for sure...
@@DragTimes Thank you for your feedback. I look forward to seeing more of your vids!
New wheels look way better, almost need another back two so you can put those other tires on.
Bro... is that a GT just stashed in the corner of your garage like last years Christmas lights?
Love the new wheels, but too bad the weight savings was really small