Jack didn't love Sharon, Phil was right he loved Ronnie he'd spent 3 years trying to forget her (his words) but he couldn't😢😔❤️, He also said to Roxy not long before Ronnie got out of prison... "She was everything I'd ever wanted😭😪💔.”
That's true, Phil was intelligent, probably the second most intelligent hardman in the show after Den (the smartest no doubt) but in terms of fighting strength, I still think he is overatted and goes behind Grant (the strongest hardman physically) and Dennis (Dan comes close to overtaking Phil because he pinned him against the wall) in the physical hardman list for me.
Eastender writers are known to be very inconsistent. One minute you would think Phil would be able to take JAck, next it seems that Phil doesnt want any trouble. Phil may have landed one on Jack more often but his first two punches caught Jack completley by suprise and this one was just an elbow. Jacks one sent Phil spinning into the pit
Funny fight, but great to see Phil get one over Jack again. Jack showed clearly he can't overpower Phil, he fell over backwards. Phil is still the top hardman in the Square!
well jack held phil for minutes in this clip when thy cut scenes to, which made him stronger strength wise., phil just got out luckily when he got the elbow.
he did not fall, he pulled phil backwards and it took phil a while to get out of jacks grips, so he did a lucky elbow, either way he did not win, he used his elbow.
Yes but Jack also hit him by surprise although i do think phil is tougher it is quite stupid since he is in his mid 50s and jack should be at his peak.
agree an elbow on jack after noway out of the jack's firm hold for phil doesn't mean phil beat jack, its was just a tussle leading to phil luckily elbowing.
It was more of a lucky win though than a win through a big fist fight, Phil would have had more trouble taking on Jack if it was a real fist fight (considering Jack was an ex-cop). I honestly think Phil is too arrogant and overated as a hardman (Grant was harder in my opinion because he was involved in more fights while Phil mainly threw one lucky punch and then its over) no offense, but at the moment Phil and Jack are probably the hardest in the show.
This clip showes phil has got a bit of fighting left in him and when jack squared up to him phil said 'i dont think youll be as lucky this time' and jack backed off so it shows phil was ready this time to fight but jack backed off. One character i think that is not hard is ray simpily because he hasnt done anything at all
I think phil is more dangerous than grant or dennis, overall i think the only person that is a better overall hardman than phil is den (the best in my opinion). Grant and dennis are the hit first types and dont really have a back up plan therefore, the are one dimensional. On the other hand, phil uses his bran to tear you apart use resources (he found out about steve ripping those gangsters off or something like that) and called them on him. He only uses his fist when pushed or he has no choice.
The current top 5 hardmen are 1. Phil 2. Jack 3. Masood 4. Max 5. Alfie I would have put Ray in but what has he done apart from pushing Micheal Moon lol
I agree with you about Phil, he is still strong in punching as he usually is but he was always the guy with a lucky punch and rarely even a fighter like Grant who at least had more real fights and less lucky punches unlike Phil. After his fued with Steve, Phil didn't have much fights as he initially did, so I think he is an overated hardman (no offense to those who still love Phil as a hardman).
jack overpowered phil for long, even they cut scenes for 2 minutes, and when sharon and co were listening to their brawl, they moved back to the scene show jack still holding phil and phil unable to get out of for long, until he got found a way to get out with couple of elbow, so i wouldn't say phil beat jack fairly tbh lol
@@H.K.5 sean is a better fighter, he landed more hits and wasnt right in the head when he came back. jack had to get a spade to beat sean and got that one punch in. sean is the better fighter while jack has power and also grant is not jack grant can beat phil and phil beat jack. dennis would edge jack.he was a hardman back in the days.
@@aaww8663 Sean might he slightly more skilled but you can't say he's the better fighter when he clearly lost that fight in the graveyard to Jack. Jack took Sean down and punched him before landing that last punch. The first two punches Sean landed were cheapshots.
You say phil has had a lot of lucky punches on people yeah you right but most of the people who punched him have been lucky punches as well. Phil may off backed down from a few people over the years and had a bit of luck in some of his fights but if the punches knock them to the ground or hurts them then it don't matter how you win in a fight. Yeah I like phil but I agree he ain't as hard as people make him out to be but he can fight or used to be able. But I say he 4th hardest ever in history.
elbow to the stomach dude doesn't mean much especially when jack was overpowering him for long in that tussle, i remember once my friend was play fighting with his girlfriend and his girlfriend caught his balls, even though he was easily manhandling her in a playful way, that is similar here.
Yh Phil is shot but my current top 5 'hardmen' shows how bad the hardmen in ee currently are. I have put in Alfie and Max i mean they can throw a punch but thats about it and masood is only fights when he has to or if pushed but is not a hardman just can stand his ground. Phil, like you said is badly over the hill but is still the top dog which is stupid because hes hitting 60! Jack is tough but rarely fights and is not a really a hardman or if he is he is not that good.
That vic 'brawl' was hardly a fight and if anything jack and ray seemed even but that was not even a fight. Plus there is no evidence that ray could take phil, we know that ray does boxing and was in the army but hes never had a fight therefore, we cant say he would take phil. Anyway i believe phil could still take ray but wouldnt be suprised if he lost because he has lost most of his speed but still has power.
Phil won but this was more like a typical "banter" fight over a telephone, if this was a real fist fight, I'm sure Phil would have had a lot more trouble taking on Jack, here neither of them wanted to batter each other, just stop each other from getting the phone.
this shows why phil is a lot stronger and harder than jack
Jack didn't love Sharon,
Phil was right he loved Ronnie he'd spent 3 years trying to forget her (his words) but he couldn't😢😔❤️,
He also said to Roxy not long before Ronnie got out of prison...
"She was everything I'd ever wanted😭😪💔.”
Bitchface Smith I agree 100%, Ronnie was the only one Jack ever truly loved
Icecream Sandwich He's had several women but she was the one😭😪💔.
@@bitchfacehopkins9094Same with Ronnie Ronnie didn’t love Charlie she loved Jack he’s was the only man for her
@@bitchfacehopkins9094what episode date did Jack say Ronnie everything he wanted 😊
Phil was still the man
That was payback for Jack punching him down the pit
That's true, Phil was intelligent, probably the second most intelligent hardman in the show after Den (the smartest no doubt) but in terms of fighting strength, I still think he is overatted and goes behind Grant (the strongest hardman physically) and Dennis (Dan comes close to overtaking Phil because he pinned him against the wall) in the physical hardman list for me.
when phil and grant had fights against each other phil won more
and phil is well harder then jack
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no phil would kill jack
jack is quite tough though at the end of the day he is an ex-coper
Eastender writers are known to be very inconsistent. One minute you would think Phil would be able to take JAck, next it seems that Phil doesnt want any trouble. Phil may have landed one on Jack more often but his first two punches caught Jack completley by suprise and this one was just an elbow. Jacks one sent Phil spinning into the pit
Funny fight, but great to see Phil get one over Jack again. Jack showed clearly he can't overpower Phil, he fell over backwards. Phil is still the top hardman in the Square!
well jack held phil for minutes in this clip when thy cut scenes to, which made him stronger strength wise., phil just got out luckily when he got the elbow.
he did not fall, he pulled phil backwards and it took phil a while to get out of jacks grips, so he did a lucky elbow, either way he did not win, he used his elbow.
Yes but Jack also hit him by surprise although i do think phil is tougher it is quite stupid since he is in his mid 50s and jack should be at his peak.
phil has got a point hes better with ronnie
agree an elbow on jack after noway out of the jack's firm hold for phil doesn't mean phil beat jack, its was just a tussle leading to phil luckily elbowing.
Phil has hit Jack more than twice
It was more of a lucky win though than a win through a big fist fight, Phil would have had more trouble taking on Jack if it was a real fist fight (considering Jack was an ex-cop). I honestly think Phil is too arrogant and overated as a hardman (Grant was harder in my opinion because he was involved in more fights while Phil mainly threw one lucky punch and then its over) no offense, but at the moment Phil and Jack are probably the hardest in the show.
This clip showes phil has got a bit of fighting left in him and when jack squared up to him phil said 'i dont think youll be as lucky this time' and jack backed off so it shows phil was ready this time to fight but jack backed off. One character i think that is not hard is ray simpily because he hasnt done anything at all
I think phil is more dangerous than grant or dennis, overall i think the only person that is a better overall hardman than phil is den (the best in my opinion). Grant and dennis are the hit first types and dont really have a back up plan therefore, the are one dimensional. On the other hand, phil uses his bran to tear you apart use resources (he found out about steve ripping those gangsters off or something like that) and called them on him. He only uses his fist when pushed or he has no choice.
The current top 5 hardmen are 1. Phil 2. Jack 3. Masood 4. Max 5. Alfie I would have put Ray in but what has he done apart from pushing Micheal Moon lol
I agree with you about Phil, he is still strong in punching as he usually is but he was always the guy with a lucky punch and rarely even a fighter like Grant who at least had more real fights and less lucky punches unlike Phil. After his fued with Steve, Phil didn't have much fights as he initially did, so I think he is an overated hardman (no offense to those who still love Phil as a hardman).
phil will kill jack when he gets angry
jack overpowered phil for long, even they cut scenes for 2 minutes, and when sharon and co were listening to their brawl, they moved back to the scene show jack still holding phil and phil unable to get out of for long, until he got found a way to get out with couple of elbow, so i wouldn't say phil beat jack fairly tbh lol
Dennis and Grant could be these two guys.
Grant can but Dennis would lose to Phil.
Legend Killer075 no he wouldn’t...Dennis was solid back in the days..Dennis would edge him.
@@aaww8663 Jack beat Sean, pretty sure he could beat Dennis too. Remember how easily Dennis got manhandled by Grant?
@@H.K.5 sean is a better fighter, he landed more hits and wasnt right in the head when he came back. jack had to get a spade to beat sean and got that one punch in. sean is the better fighter while jack has power and also grant is not jack grant can beat phil and phil beat jack. dennis would edge jack.he was a hardman back in the days.
@@aaww8663 Sean might he slightly more skilled but you can't say he's the better fighter when he clearly lost that fight in the graveyard to Jack. Jack took Sean down and punched him before landing that last punch. The first two punches Sean landed were cheapshots.
Punches could of been thrown when it cut to another scene, typical for EastEnders really
The 'fight' was funny but wasnt there a bit where jack goes up to him and phil says well you wont be as lucky tthis time
i hate Phil , Im glad Harry 's Ben and Sharon ruined his life
You say phil has had a lot of lucky punches on people yeah you right but most of the people who punched him have been lucky punches as well. Phil may off backed down from a few people over the years and had a bit of luck in some of his fights but if the punches knock them to the ground or hurts them then it don't matter how you win in a fight. Yeah I like phil but I agree he ain't as hard as people make him out to be but he can fight or used to be able. But I say he 4th hardest ever in history.
im not sure how phil won considering jack held him for too long, and he had lucky elbow, i wouldn't say phil won, more like he luckily got out.
elbow to the stomach dude doesn't mean much especially when jack was overpowering him for long in that tussle, i remember once my friend was play fighting with his girlfriend and his girlfriend caught his balls, even though he was easily manhandling her in a playful way, that is similar here.
Why are Phil and Jack always fighting each other
Yh Phil is shot but my current top 5 'hardmen' shows how bad the hardmen in ee currently are. I have put in Alfie and Max i mean they can throw a punch but thats about it and masood is only fights when he has to or if pushed but is not a hardman just can stand his ground. Phil, like you said is badly over the hill but is still the top dog which is stupid because hes hitting 60! Jack is tough but rarely fights and is not a really a hardman or if he is he is not that good.
That vic 'brawl' was hardly a fight and if anything jack and ray seemed even but that was not even a fight. Plus there is no evidence that ray could take phil, we know that ray does boxing and was in the army but hes never had a fight therefore, we cant say he would take phil. Anyway i believe phil could still take ray but wouldnt be suprised if he lost because he has lost most of his speed but still has power.
Phil won but this was more like a typical "banter" fight over a telephone, if this was a real fist fight, I'm sure Phil would have had a lot more trouble taking on Jack, here neither of them wanted to batter each other, just stop each other from getting the phone.
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i can imagine jack vs grant
ZubsOnline 786 I love them both but Grant would win 10000% .
Grant would destroy Jack.
phil has punched him twice anx jack has punched him once i say that they are both the same.