Tim Ross Responds to ANOTHER "Colorful" Language Controversy?
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- Tim Ross Responds to ANOTHER "Colorful" Language Controversy?
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I don’t think talking through trauma or hot topics gives a Christian the right to let go of self control when expressing themselves.
Exactly!
Not to cast aspersions on his character overall, but there is a lot of flakiness in his take here, tbh.
Wisdom🕊🙏
Agreed 👍
Nah. I’m not dictating how someone should express their trauma. It’s their experience. I give grace on that front. Feel free to express what you’re feeling ( good, bad, or ugly)
It's an interesting convo because in my experience when I speak to non-believers they choose to not curse around me because I'm a pastor. Even when I tell them that they're good, they say no and don't curse. Yet it's astounding to me that most Christians choose to curse to be "relevant" or be seen as "normal". Self-control is a fruit of the spirit and we're called to be set apart.
Yes, I agree! Set the standard.
I mentor a lot of young people. Some curse. I don't judge them, but I'm not going to join them because they need to see clean language is possible.
Then others exercise self-control, intentionally choose not to curse, and discover there are more mature ways to express themselves.
Amen! Tim needs to reread 1 Corinthians 1:17 and Galatians 5:16-26.
Preach!
@jae_lgcy I would allow them not cuss around you brother. They're denying their selves and it may be the Holy spirit working in them. They sense the spirit of the living God in you and I would not stop them from not cussing
@@alejandroocanas3690 Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here…
As followers of Jesus, I think we need to stop asking “Is this a sin?” and start asking “Does this make me more like Jesus?” The language we use isn’t a sin issue, it’s a holiness issue. If we filter what we say, think, and do through trying to look like Jesus, we never had to ask “Is it a sin?”
Love this!!!! Great food 4 thought!!!
Everything about our conduct is a sin issue. Our language is a part of our conduct, therefore it’s a sin issue. “It is written.”
The moment we violate what we’re commanded in scripture, it’s sinful. Colossians 3:8 says to put away “filthy language out of your mouths.” So the language we use is a sin issue. Blessings.
If you can get your point across without cussing, do it. Cussing may feel good, but feelings aren’t the end-all-be-all. We’ve said/done things that felt good and later realized “Hmm, that wasn’t the best decision.”
Right. It's simply not wise for a minister to be using harsh/offensive language in public. Definitely one of those areas that will cause someone else to stumble, even if you can justify it personally there's no real benefit to other people
how hard is it not to say f--k?! like, it was hard when i was in the world but "be transformed by the renewing of your mind." i am disappointed in Tim.
Absolutely. We are not to be of the world anymore. We also can’t lead by example if we are literally still behaving like we’re unsaved. God tells us to watch the influences in our lives for a reason. We also have to watch how we may be influencing others.
I like how Christian content creators dangle around the nuances of context and culture for something that scriptures already give direction and instruction for.
In more ways than one, when men aren’t changed by scripture, they tend to change scriptures to ‘context’
Well said my brother
Wisdom right here. 🕊
Facts
Tell it
Not a Christian but this needed to be said. Most high bless you.
15:52 Nah, Tim is going there just to cuss. Period.
Thank you Ruslan for starting to stand for Christian, biblical standards. At the end of the day God is Holy and to be revered. And He is so worthy of every single part of who we are for saving us from hell.
Im encouraged to see your growth and stand on these things. May God continue to be glorified through your ministry.🙏
Do you really feel this? Like he's aiding his flesh to say what he wants instead of how God wanted him to be relative with the way he speaks? I remember when he talked about the Lord said the way he talks is needed for certain people that can only relate to his style of speaking. I don't remember how he says it word for word, but if you saw it you know what I mean. I didn't disagree in the sense that a lot of people relate to certain people because they need to hear a message a certain way. I also don't think God would tell someone to cuss.. Just curious of your thoughts
@@MarquitaMaverick I dont belive that God, Jesus who was amlng sinners but did not sin, would encourage anyone to profane for the sake of touching hearts. Remember the heart is very deceitful, you cannot trust it. The heart even likes worldy music about revenge and pain, it does not mean those things are good. I dont think God is after our dirty hearts, he just wants to clean them and save our souls.
@@Opinions567 I'm not disagreeing with you but that wasn't what I was asking
@@MarquitaMaverickHe only said that as an excuse for him to cuss.
Ruslan has always stood for Christian, biblical standards. But when talking about unbelievers, you can't just shout, you're doing all that wrong! Unbelievers will sin. And like it. Ruslan just has a great view on grace. Which we all need. And he understands that not many people are looking for correciton for themselves. You can't make people repent.
I think it's a slippery slope to say there are instances where swearing is necessary because then you could make that argument about any sin. We all sin because of our fleshly nature, but as believers, sinning isn't something we should go out of our way to do. If you slip up, that's one thing, but if you're repeating certain sins, it's a pattern of behavior, and it would be wise to ask God to help you stop committing that sin. I think too many Christians see certain sins as no big deal when every sin we commit hurt God, no matter how insignificant we've made it out to be.
Amen 🙏🏾
Sin is the transgression of the law. Where in the law do we see the condemnation of swearing?😂
Swearing is not a sin
@@LordLocrianofJudahdid you read the verse Ruslan shared in support of his argument? Not every single sin is written in the bible. If that was the case there would be a separate bible containing every possible sin humans will ever commit.
However, some sins are covered in the context of some verses. For example, when Jesus says that if you look at a woman lustfuly, you have ready committed adultery in your heart. He is telling us to check our heart for it is the source of all sin. Sin originates from our hearts before it manifests into action.
Exactly. God does not abide in sin. We need to keep our sin nature under control. There are no excuses for purposely sinning when we know it’s not right and it’s not of God.
@@LordLocrianofJudahIt doesn’t matter. God told us to watch what we say. So that means it is a commandment, not a suggestion or only if we feel like it thing.
I feel over time a Christian should go away from cursing, not go back to it? Idk, some of this stuff is over thought. It’s like people who say “Well the bible doesn’t say don’t smoke weed” but talks many times about being sober-minded. Like do we have to be specific about what “foul language” is? REALLY? Also if you can’t control it, it’s not from the spirit of God my friend! Self-control is a literal fruit of the spirit. It’s simple bruh.
💯 🎯
Agreed!
Exactly.
Being Sober is specific to drinking not weed smoking
@@theblackedge9233 No it is not brother. Stop the madness.
I think trying to make excuses for cussing is a self control issue. I also agree with Ruslan that it would be silly for Christians to expect non Christians to live by Christian principles and then be offended when they cuss.
But isn’t that what some do. I think we forget we live in a fallen world. We compromise christianity by surrendering to our lower nature while chastising the world for living in it. Ruslan is right-cussing is a lack of control & I’d add disrespectful as ambassadors of Christ.
"Sometimes my authentic self needs to die" this right here 👌🏾
No. No. No. When did we start to give license to sin? Houston, we have a problem. Thanks, Ruslan for taking a stand. I know you enjoy your talks with him. But Tim’s shenanigans are concerning. Remember, a wise man chooses his friends wisely.
James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless.
That's the one God has used to get ahold of me lately. He has delivered from a decades long addiction to pornography and lust, but as soon as that begins to cause in me a sense of false comfort or security, I realize "so what? Look at how you still lose your temper and can't control your tongue."
Even that is not as determinative as it once was, but I have no cause for pride. If one can do this without any conviction, I tell you as someone with experience, there is a heart issue here.
Amen
6:57 "The standard is way bigger than just cussing" ...... BUT STILL INCLUDES CUSSING!!!!!
Let nothing unwholesome come out of your mouth
i don't understand why you would be okay with saying profanity in private but not in public? so you care more about that the world thinks then God? because He hears you in private.
Lol right!
That’s like saying it’s okay to do any other sin in private but not in public.
Rus, why you so soft on Tim lol? He all the way out of pocket
About time we're coming out of the shadows from the "clean" look...
I know, right??
Period!!
Exactly! As many times as he’s been critical of Christian music artist and UA-cam host and the things they do, he’s very soft. He give him credit for taking a stand but he should’ve knocked this topic out of the ballpark
Wait, so you're telling me it's ok to use profanity if you're talking about how someone was racist against you? Or racism historically?
No no no no no. Just no. Hard no. Race trauma has nothing to do with it.
this the one. Honestly this video felt a little over thought
How about the trauma the Hebrews experienced for 440 years while in Egypt? Interesting how the OT is lacking in profanity…?
The Old Testament is not void of harsh language. We as Christians should concede to the fact that the Bible is all we need; however, we lack acknowledging that Jesus is the main character who has brought a people unto Himself but the people he has saved are wicked. So to think there are no harsh words from a wicked people is void of reality. We must not enter into the Bible what our culture and society considers to be harsh words or foolish talk. Speaking of foolish talk, I believe what could’ve been addressed is the lack of wisdom in the way one in a position of authority communicates with the masses. If you can convey a message void of cursing then it is wise to do so.
@@tramainebass3371: The Bible uses “ass - as in a donkey” and “damned - as in doomed” what else are you talking about?
I agree, profanity does not represent trauma any better than descriptive language does. All profanity does is reveal how we speak in private. God sees it all, so why not walk away from profanity and walk in holiness before the Lord?
Big L take Ray. Little L Rus. Call your friend Tim out. Just do it personal and don’t make a video about it if you don’t afraid of hurting people feelings. Y’all really tried to stretch it for him but it’s too simple. Just be consistent because you a lot harder on people your not friends with.
"The more responsibility I gain, the less rights I have." Well said.
James 1:26
“Those who consider themselves
religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 2 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
That’s what Gods word says regarding people who just “can’t control it”
Im tired of us being out here letting fellow bruhs line step like this...as it goes in the Christian walk, its these folks who do this who will be the first denouncing christ and leaving the faith. Ive seen this record so many times with singers, pastors, friends and so forth take wild swings with how they present their walk in the faith, thinking they are presenting something novel or new to be 'relatable' to the world, and then they fall. We are not perfect, but ones who do this willingly are FOOLS. And many of us give these dudes a pass on it saying 'they didnt mean it' or 'were all sinners' and other garbage that overrides the restraint, humility AND REPENTANCE we need to have in our walks, even when we mess up BUT AIM TO TURN THINGS AROUND FOR THE GOOD. Tim aint doing that. This is no better than Mase becoming a pastor just to clear his conscience just to go back to the same life he was always about. There aint nothing new under the sun and Tim caught up like he ahead in the game and he dont even know he down. There is a diff between being in process as a new Christian on the milk and mature who should be on solid food and should know better.
How far the church has fallen for this to even be a discussion amongst leaders. Obviously the standard for speech is much higher than don’t curse BUT includes this necessarily. Help us Lord
Exactly. Cussing is included in that standard of speech, regardless. It's almost how it's sad how people can't even answer what a woman is. Things that used to be a given have all become a discussion now.
"I don't need to cuss to relate to them" & "I can control myself" Very well said.
Where you're at in life doesn't determine whether an act is wrong or not. If a 2 year old child slaps her brother just because and then does it again when she's 15, just because, in both instances the slap is still wrong. Making excuses for ones actions just pushes the blame onto someone else. We need to be accountable for our actions.
Cussing is sin period. Why do you think non-believers even try to clean up their language around you when they know you follow Christ? They even know but apparently Christians are somehow confused on this and make it more complicated then it is.
"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless WORD they speak" - Matthew 12:36
For a Pastor to use such league is horrible. It actually shows that he hasn't let the gospel truly change his heart.
Plenty of pastors cuss.
@@jjj0026and they shouldn't. Period.
Therapists who are not saved are able to allow people to process their trauma without cursing. One filled with the Holy Ghost should able to do the same or turn the camera off.
Y’all are so watered down. That’s the truth. 💯
at they necks!
It's wild this is even a conversation and I say that as a Christian that I'd trying hard to stop cussing I never use the f word ever, the others are out of habit but it's absolutely unnecessary especially for a pastor, I'm baffled this is debatable 😢 you can also tell Tim enjoys it and does it for the laughs and for videos like this, some people love being in the conversation, I never would have heard of him had it not been for the cussing, so it's working for him.
Jesus never cussed and He got His point across perfectly, every time. Don't we want to be like Him?
Not really feeling the cussin, especially from a minister. Doesn’t feel right.
If we’re honest, our authentic self can be our sin nature self
There is absolutely NO excuse for bad language...ever!
I think cursing depends on your intention behind the words, God knows what's in your heart. Some people feel convicted to obtsain from alcohol, some don't. I think the end all be all is if you are cursing someone, as in the opposite of blessing, that is what is what a true curse is
I think it is a off too. Not salvation issue just as you said Ruslan Not a good look. My thing is there seems to be a position that saved people use that language in private, I remember Tim even saying he knows ministers kinda code swtich in terms of profanity and I personally find that weird. One of the first things I worked on after getting saved was not cursing and I'm not saying everyone should do as I did but I do not know any saved friends or leaders who in private or in public or just hanging use that language at all. I don't think its a good look and I don't see any purpose for it and nothing redemptive about it.
At its core, it is the intention of the heart and cruse words are foul and filthy communication!!! Just like Ruslan said, I represent Christ as a Christian!!! And we have a standard... Standards don't change because of lack of self-control or lack of knowledge.. yes, we need to show grace, but we also need to hold each accountable, whether that is crusing, complaining, or just plain old negative communication!
As Christians, we have to remember that we are called to be different. We have to stay conscious and be proactive about putting our flesh under subjection. There is no room for serving our own flesh and God at the same time. There are things we will want to say and do, but as someone who is pursing a relationship with God and who has the responsibility of being Christlike, we just cannot do and say everything. Serving God is a lifestyle that looks very different than serving the world. It requires sacrifices. God wants full surrender. And while we are not perfect people and we will fall, we must be careful not to OK sin or give it a pass because it’s easy or the majority believes it’s ok.
The fact this is an issue is the issue. Telling a grown, Christian, professional man who speaks for a living to watch his mouth is inexcusable. These people are making it about them when it’s not about them! It’s about Christ, the only person who has the right to feel any type of way. If he’s cursing it says a lot about what he’s listening to, which he needs to put away. Proverbs 29 11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
With all due respect, you still platform this guy. Granted, I have no room to judge because every once in a while when I’m overwhelmed at work I cuss sometimes but I cannot make excuses for my language.
Why are you people so butthurt about having conversations. I suppose we should only talk to people who think exactly like us? On every single subject? God forbid you actually discuss to stuff with each other. The horror.
That's the difference. You're not making excuses.
bro you just made an excuse when you said
"every once in a while when I’m overwhelmed at work I cuss sometimes"
wouldn't it be fair to say that Tim just gets overwhelmed easier maybe? I don't curse casually myself, but even I let out a swore every once in a blue moon out of surprise or genuine anger. Tim's not a casual curser, but just like you get in your feelings and overwhelmed at work, and like how I get angry, Tim gets emotional too
@@MouseCrusader that wasn't an excuse. He's confessing it as sin, while Tim is saying there's nothing wrong with it. See the difference?
@@Chief_Of_Sinners the person who made the original post never called it a sin.
The original post stated how there shouldn't be an excuse for it, all while making an excuse when he does it.
Fully agree with you Ruslan in that I can have guests on who are not saved and they may speak "loosely" and I won't hold it against them but it can't be ok for us as Christians to feel comfortable etc
The dancing folks gotta do around being holy is wild - holy meaning set apart and different. Essentially what they're trying to fight for is to be and to live a Christian life without ever letting it set ALL of them apart as totally different than the world.
A Christian leader that cusses is like a doctor that smokes. Sure, they can do what they want, but I'm not sure if I want to take advice from you. It's not a good look.
Something I follow is I don’t do anything publicly that can make someone else stumble willingly.
I do drink wine and do that at home with my wife or at date night not socially with friend groups.
Shouldn’t be cussing publicly especially with new converts coming in daily.
Imagine being born again,your pure as snow and the first thing you see is a cussing pastor😅😅😅
When a Christian's on a public platform, especially on social media you have to maintain your integrity as a child of God. There's no need for it because it shows more strength to maintain your emotions as you present yourself to the world.
Ruslan, thank you for covering this topic. I am a sailor for going 19 years in the U.S. Navy and as a follower of Jesus Christ, for all my life have been dealing with from when I was a teenager to now. I have seen it for myself in the Bible that believers of Chirst should not use foul language. Using Jesus as an example, he did not use foul language all, and that right there should be everyone's goal. Will we miss the mark? There will be times when we do and thank God for grace. Ruslan, if you do read this, you're a blessing and keep on letting God use your brother. My God, continue to protect you, your family and continue to be a blessing to Christians and non Christians.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Ephesians 4:29
I'm sorry but we make too many excuses to behave like the world and call it grace. Our mouths as believers are to edify others and it can be done without the swearing and cursing. It requires you to be a mature Christian, title or no title, platform or no platform, you decided to represent Christ. As Christians, we cannot speak in the same way as a non-christian. How are we then set apart?
Amen 🙏
That thumbnail is crazy tho lol
Wild thumbnail 😂
Self-control as a fruit of the spirit is very important. And it’s okay to say you don’t have it in check but we should still try at best to walk in it
Yo Ruslan, so it hasn't been clear to me whenever you're talking about this topic but is cussing a sin or not? It sounds like you would say that yes cussing is a sin. But if that's the case, why do you think that cussing is okay in a Christian movie? In essence, your argument would then be that sinning in order to be more raw and real is permitted. Just to go to an extreme, would a pornographic scene be okay in a Christian movie in order to be more real and raw? Overall, I'm just kind of confused on your stance.
What is a "Christian" movie exactly?
The Bible is riddled with absolutely mature stuff.
“So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it for him is is sin” James 4:17
@@janelleg597What do you mean by your reply? A Christian movie is a movie produced by and starring Christians. How is it ok to sin in order to depict mature content?
"Not a good look"? Can we just call wrong, wrong, and right right?
Pls pray for me..cussing is still an area that I struggle in. Definitely gotten better but i wanna stop
why defend cursing (obscene talk) in the first place? It's a sign there's an issue with their heart
Crazy no accountability, if this was someone Ruslan didn’t necessarily like. He would have a whole different angle. But because it’s his boy he’s compromising and finding loopholes
Well, I'd be pretty damn encouraged if someone told me I was a bad ass. I wouldn't feel very special if someone just called me cool, but if someone called me a bad ass, I'd feel like it's actually genuine.
Tim is no different than the world. I used to be a cussing Christian until the Lord revealed to me that I was calling on the name of demonic spirits - the spirit of “F” was essentially destroying my life.
Cussiing may feel satisfying in the moment but when you lay your head on your pillow at night when its just you and God, you can feel the darkness those words evoke. It stains the soul...and yes we can ignore that feeling but it will always come back. Its good and satisfying to bridle the tongue.
There is absolutely no distinction between Tim and the world.
I think as long as we recognize deficits, whether its cursing or anger, and continue to work on them we should be ok. It's dangerous when a believer is sinning and they justify themselves regardless
10 From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. (James 3:10 ESV)
It’s never ok for a child of God to cuss
I like what Dallas Willard says in Divine Conspiracy (and several of his recorded sermons). I'm paraphrasing here but Christians who truly are apprentices of Jesus will be less concerned of keeping the commandments, it's through the death to self and desire to Jesus (heart posture) that causes the changes of behaviour. Primarily our desire should be to be like Jesus not nearly to follow a rule. I've been thinking through this and the language I have used or even things I say about others and have been inwardly asking, would Jesus have said that if talking about that subject? If the answer is no, I need to take that to God first and repent to others if applicable. Sometimes I am just saying stuff in my head but I have said stuff aloud. Through the act of going to that person who heard me say those words, it solidifies that I'm changing - not perfect, but working on the transformation. Thank you for bringing this up especially the scripture reference from Ephesians 4: 29 (I also feel convicted by verse 26). great discussion - thanks gents
Totally agree with you! Said before and I will saw it again! Your a very wise young man!
9:34 "sometimes I need to operate with more restraint , and more discipline, and the mouth is an extension of that" agreed!
Agreed with Ruslan at 10:12! There's definitely something to be said about actively processing trauma online versus talking about a traumatic situation.
Being vulnerable and showing the not-so-pretty side of things can be encouraging for others to see. But I think there needs to be wisdom about what is being said if someone is literally still in the thick of it. That's for the protection of their heart and that of others.
If someone is not “mature” enough to control their mouth in public or on forums they should not be leaders.
"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."
Honestly, the cussing doesn’t bug me at all compared to using a stripper metaphor for Jesus.
@Ruslan
Loving this brotha that you have on your podcast. I think it is always critical for believer content creators to have a black or brown person who understands the culture from their black or brown experience.
I only say that because before you shared in response to previous criticism that you went to a predominantly black church and one of the people who guided you in the faith was black.
Diversity in perspective is always critical for the integrity of any discussion.
Thank you
there's been times of anger that i've cursed, so it happens..but to use in your everyday conversation as a believer i dont think is cool. but God have mercy on us all we're all are a work in progress
I agree with Ruslan, it’s our obligation to have self control, we cannot control someone else., according to Gal. 5:22 speaks of the fruit of the Spirit.
Yeah trauma or nothing else excuses someone’s actions. If we do not have self control then we must at least be aware of that and lean on the spirit for guidance through prayer when we hit those moments on struggle until we can begin to control our actions in all manner
Also I don't agree that the book should include cursing in the movie adaptation, "to show how raw and gritty it is". Going based on that logic, there should definitely be some explicit sex scenes and violent moments as well because those things are raw and gritty and true to life. It's a really bad argument to try to make that spot for profanity but obviously everything else I just said would be ridiculous to add in a Christian film
The biggest problem with unchecked profanity, is that it just signals a lack of self-control - which is one of the fruits of the spirit. ...That's why we ought not to do it. If we're preaching transformation through Jesus Christ, but that transformation can't keep us from old habits that are rooted in anger and trauma, then what good is the savior that we're trying to present to the world? Expletive cursing because you hurt yourself and it was just a knee-jerk reaction for that quick moment is not that big of a deal, but when you're forming sentences using the F-bomb as an adverb, that's a completely different story
Not all curse words are the same. "Sh-t" is different than "mother---". Also an exclamation is different than a put down.
What’s more sad is platforms like this that are scared to call out a brother. Trying to paint it like it’s a grey area. And if you think it’s a grey area you have not read your bible through what so ever This is blatant, this is not difficult.
I think a lot of people in these comments are missing the nuance of Tim’s arguments for his use of language. I don’t agree fully with him. Or even talk like him.
But I can hold room for his view and for a brother doing kingdom work that is largely beneficial in my view.
Ultimately, Tim and I are on the same team.
Christians need to live with holy spirit quick conviction and stop trying to justify speaking and thinking like the ungodly. We should be living set apart. Period.
Maybe the focus should be on word Holy, consecrated, kind, goodness, self-control, sin... lol its a heart issue.
You guys gave great comments and insight. Thank you forbstanding firm!!!!
I pray he can get through this. I as well have an issue with profanity but I am trying to work on it. I won’t condemn but I won’t applaud either.
It says to rid all profane speaking from your mouth in scripture. It doesn’t say if you have something traumatic happen in your life you can curse up a storm while telling someone about your trauma! As a Christian we cannot try to justify when it’s appropriate to curse. It never is. It doesn’t matter if your in a church setting or at home GOD always hears your words and that should be our focus. Amen?
How is this even a discussion? We are supposed to conform to God’s standards not the world's. We are set apart. We should be different in every way including our speech! So, I ask again, how is this a point of discussion about a person calling himself a pastor?????
"You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."
Colossians 3:7-8 NIV
Colossians 3:8
But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
Tim is a great person, I've seen him preach at transformation church multiple times and he was life changing but he is wrong as am I at times when I cuss.
I think using profanity is unprofessional, but not sinful. God doesn't call us to LOOK GOOD for the world. He calls us to DO GOOD for it.
for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control. 2 Tim 1:7
Good for you Ruslan!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
All too often people move the goalposts to talk about grace when the Bible has set a clear biblical standard. The fact we’re covered with grace because of Christs blood doesn’t all of the sudden change the holy standard we’re called and empowered to by the Holy Spirit. The truth will set you free!
As one who has experienced a transformative spiritual renewal, it is my sincere conviction that effective communication need not resort to profanity. Language, when employed artfully, can indeed exude a sense of wholesomeness, imbuing words with the power to uplift and inspire those who encounter them. Our discourse should remain untainted, steering clear of any influence that might compromise its alignment with divine principles. It is incumbent upon us to embody the essence of godly conduct, steering clear of any semblance of malevolence or deviation from the divine orchestration.
Furthermore, I hold the belief that should the inclination arise to employ vulgar language, it serves as an indication that one might benefit from expanding their lexicon. An individual's intellectual prowess is not solely measured by their linguistic abilities, and thus, resorting to derogatory terms diminishes the capacity to convey profound ideas, while also failing to uphold the reverence attributed to representing God's benevolent nature in our interactions.
Self control is part of our responsibility as believers in action and word, foul language can't and shouldn't be justified. A strong, emotive point can be expressed without the use of such...that type of emphasis is unnecessary.
All the words we have in the English language, yet we debate about the use of profanity as Christians. Just use other words. If its profane, the definition alone speaks for itself. I heard a professor say (paraphrasing here) we use profanity because we lack in our vocabulary. "Others may, but I may not." We all will stand before God and give an account.
I respect you Ruslan for standing your ground with reason, and not just saying “because it doesn’t feel right” I am in agreement with your standpoint.
This is the problem with not reading KJV or NKJV bibles the entire argument of this episode is based on the verse being butchered in NLT & NIV
In reality the word says “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”
Ephesians 4:29 KJV
It’s about intentions, words are words but intentions and context is what makes it foul or not
Not saying ppl should be cursing Willy nilly but expecting ppl never to curse that’s not real life.. it’s just performative Christianity
They're talking about cussing and saying "blank" "blank", instead of F***. That in itself answers the question. They would deem it wrong to have sworn.
It is never ok to use profanity as a Christian. I somewhat agree with Ruslan’s take on the only exception being pre-Jesus in the book he referred to). Other than pre-Christ, for Christians, the Bible speaks against it. Look at the book of James. Any language that is not good or edifying is a no go. Saying you can use it in the context of trauma is not correct. Once we start doing that, we are justifying our OWN thought ls about the validity of God’s Word. It’s a no. God bless ya’ll. Let’s be FIRM on the Word!
The dilly-dallying is sometimes so unnecessary when it comes to Ruslan.
Thank you both for touching this subject. Often times, Christians don’t even want to address this at the expense of sounding holier than thou. Ultimately, I believe that how you speak is a reflection of your spiritual maturity, and with that, comes self control. As Christians, aren’t we supposed to be examples for people who aren’t? What’s the point in listening to us if we sound just like the world? At that point, what takes precedence? Relatability or Jesus?
Amen!!!
I have been blessed and encouraged by cussing Christians. They reminded le that Christians can be real people who aren't beholden to arbitrary standards but still no where to draw the line on real, relevant issues.
I know I’ve heard “freaking” used on this channel and “f*cking” is the same thing. The only difference is cultural standards. It’s the meaning and use behind those words that matters. Like you said Rus, the standard is higher than just “don’t cuss”. It should be “is is the language I’m using being used in a sinful way toward someone else, myself or God”. That seems to be the best standard.
Totally agree with what you said about not being our authentic selves. A lot of times that’s just an excuse to sin.
Thank you Ruslan for continuing to speak truth and wisdom.
Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
This screams lack of discipline. It’s no setting you should use profanity. That like saying you can sin depending on the situation. Dude in the glasses full of excuses on this topic.