I remember this going to Downtown in LA to see the Tbirds they were great. Greatest Sport around. Every time I got the chance to watch it on tv or luckily enough to go see them live I would. Those were actually good old days. It would of been something big if would of continued. Terrific childhood memories!!!!!
OMG! How much I loved this sport as a kid. I judiciously watched the matches each week on a local television station. Each telecast lasted one hour, and was heavily edited for time. But Joan Weston was one of my idols. She was a legend in a time when many women were not even recognized for their physical acumen. Joanie was actually the most popular female athlete for a few years in the 70s … even greater than Billie Jean King. Joanie carried the sport of her shoulders for quite a while. Unfortunately, the decision was made to dissolve Roller Derby in 1973 (premature in my opinion). It never was able to recapture its tremendous popularity thereafter. During it's heyday, more than 50,000 fans watch a Roller Derby-Roller Games match from the Chicago White Sox stadium, over 35,000 at Shea Stadium in NY (Where the Mets used to play), and they always sold out Madison Square Garden (20,000). Derby was the biggest, most thrilling thing of its time, but fell victim to the gasoline shortage and other financial restraints, and folded. It then was turned into Roller GAMES, and became too theatrical. The Games made the Derby players second rate, and Derby skaters were dominated by Games skaters. Joanie being dominated by a second or third string GAMES player was more than we could stand, and, as a result, the sport died on the East Coast, never to ever regain its popularity. The problem was that the sport relied too much on their legends, and did foster bringing forth younger players to replace them, so you had players in their 40s and 50s still skating and dominating the sport, when they should have nurtured other skaters to replace them. That was their BIGGEST mistake.
There was more involved then just the issue with gasoline. However point moot. Last chance it really had to return was during the '99-2000 era when Roller Jam was created. There was talent. There was a large television contract. Sadly there was yes the same formula that yes Roller Games & Bill Griffiths brought to it that practically spelled it's final nail in the coffin! Sad mainstream media too even finally gave it decent write ups. Just didn't live up to it's capacitiy or what many had hoped be Roller Derby's revival.
Greaat insight into the sport. The only thing I'll disagree with is that the Derby skaters weren't dominated by the Games skaters at all. Everyone played and skated equally. The Derby skaters left because they were miserable skating the fake Games junk. Within one season almost every one of them was gone. Margie Lazlo held out the longest but she eventually left too.
Isn't that too bad. Letting a divorce contribute to the demise of something this great that left all those hard working skaters that devoted their lives to it out of work. Too bad.
@@lasktdave Don't forget an attempt by the Skaters to unionize as well. I think a combination of all 3 did the Seltzer International Roller Derby League in!
I BECAME A LITTLE BUDDY OF JOHN PARKER AND BETTY BROWN OF THE NORTHERN HAWKS AT THE CHERRY HILL ARENA AND IT WAS A HIGH POINT OF MY LIFE AND THEY ALSO BOTH TAUGHT ME TO SKATE ON THE BANK TRACK.
SADELY THEY ERASED THE NORTHERN HAWKS FACING THE N.Y. CHIEFS AND AGAINST THE PIONEERS BUT THEY ERASED THE GOLDEN TICKETS OF MATCH UPS. BILL GROLLS MATCH RACES WITH JOHN PARKER WERE SOME OF THE MOST BRUTAL I HAD EVER SEEN
Wellington here. I see Chett Coppock is doing the " Call of the Action " for this one. I used to luv to listen to it. And the " Goldern Girl " Joan Weston is in this one.
Bill Griffiths wanted to expand the Roller Games teams and wanted a out of control team so he made Reilly the coach and took Tonette off if the N.Y. Bombers to be the Captain much like he did to created The Brooklyn Devils with Diane Severson and Wild Bill Erghot. Sadely at this time we lost The Australian Kangaroos with Gooch Gueterri. But i had know Elaine Everson of The Kangaroos and she gave me her Jersey so there always in my heart. They were a giant team.
Agree Jerry Seltzer's Roller Derby too had more resemblance to a competitive sport then Bill Griffiths Roller Games. Though it did give Skaters more of a chance to work & live out their dream @ least. Not only one game in town!
" Moo Moo Calvin " was a Good Match up for The " Golden Girl " Joan Weston. 2 of the Big Women in Roller Derby going at it. Debbie Cho went right Over the High end of the railing!
nick married a winner. that blonde hair, man magnet. i loved her laugh during kademas's hype. its like "i can't believe this schtick." joan is selling a sport. respect.
MISS. TONETTE KADRMUS # 8 THE BODY BEAUTIFUL WAS A SECOND TO JUDY SOWONSKI ON THE NEW YORK BOMBERS BEFORE THE WESTERN RENEGADES WAS FORMED WITH A SUPPOSED TEAM OF PLAYERS THAT WERE UNCONTROLLABLE.
A banked track brings a completely different dimension to the sport of Roller Derby. Today's game is very different. As Jerry Seltzer defined it best "More so a rugby scrimmage!". It's much slower & difficult to pick out individual players by yes their whacky uniforms. Yes Roller Derby today is legitimate to back then when it was well fixed. Though Roller Derby had @ least more realism then Games! Either or I think this old format can still work & better if made a legitimate game. Yes & keep to the old rules. Keep it simple. Not like today. Just enforce the rules that already on the books!
I actually got a chance too to see a current flack track game demoed @ the Cal Expo years ago. Free part of admission involving the "Sac Girls" Agree did nothing for me either. If this was done legit & with a banked track honestly I believe it could come back. Sadly yes too would require someone with deep pockets & patient enough to allow a new fan base. A lot of us OG's are dying out sadly. Many of the Skaters seen here too sadly long passed.
Why did they change the way Roller Derby is played? These days it is completely different from the 60’ & 70’s. I don’t like the way it is played these days.
THE WARRIORS WOULD NOT DO INTERLEAGUE AT THE TIME BUT THEY DID PRODUCE THE MOST POPULAR ROLLER GAMES STAR OF ALL TIME JUDY ARNOLD. SO POPULAR WAS JUDY THAT ON ROLLER GAMES NIGHTS THE PHILADELPHIA SPECTRUM WOULD RENAME THE BUILDING JUDYS PLACE 16,000 FANS EVERY TIME THEY PLAYED THERE.
@@georgegong6813 What bothered me most about Coppock was he NEVER pronounced skaters' names correctly. In this game, for instance, he butchered Mike and Ken "Ah-DA-me" names. This wasn't the only name he constantly mispronounced. As an announcer of any kind, you should do a little homework and prepare for your call of the game. And that "bango" shit used to make me gag.
@@donniehagy5125 Chet was indeed different I thought more appealing perhaps to those in the Midwest. Good to read later his broadcasting career didn't end where his Roller Derby one ended. His style did take awhile to get used to. I prefer it over Roller Games announcers like Dick Lane, Elmer Anderson, or especially Ed Darian though for sure. Anderson perhaps should had stuck to simply color commenting maybe. I never heard Coppick cover the Milwaukee Bucks. I understand though where you're coming from on the names of Skaters though. Also too much of a comedian too wasn't as natural with jokes or when it was totally appropriate to sneak a quick joke once in awhile like Walt Harris did.
@@georgegong6813 Agreed George. I thought Dick Lane was a hoot because, well, he covered a "hoot" of a game. I never took "Games" seriously because what the skaters skated wouldn't allow it. Walt Harris was the epitome of a professional announcer. I loved to hear him do his broadcast. It is a shame that most of the Roller Derby games were either taped over or thrown away. ESPN now has the nerve to recast "Roller Jam," which is one of the reasons the Derby heard the death knell.
@@donniehagy5125 Wow really? Never knew ESPN would broadcast Roller Jam guess they had to purchase the old tapes from TNN I forgot what that station is called now. Don't know what be worse to view either...Games or Jam! LOL! Either or yes Walt Harris always treated Roller Derby or anything he broadcasted or narrated if you will with professionalism 1st. No one even Ken Nydell IMHO stood a candle to Walt Harris's style & though Nydell did so also professionally, sorry didn't agree with his overall critique of Harris. Yes I do agree Jam too didn't help bring legitimate Derby back nor helped it either. Then all water under the...track now anyhow! Sadly doubt if any game like we knew if would ever come back. If so it would have to be done very differently not even the way Jerry Seltzer did it sadly. Today it's a completely different world now too!
Violent show roller derby is much better than legit or 5 stride derby. I had so much fun skating free style and putting on a show. I never liked the 5 stried, There is no purpose for it to begin with,
I was forced to go watch this stupid stuff as a young girl. my parent were so engrossed with it half the time they did not know where or who I was with. If it wasnt for some respectful navy officers I could have been kidnapped or raped. only part I thought was funny was when their was a dwarf or midget guy would upset some of the one team and that made me laugh. would later have stayed home and watched the tv.
I used to go in person every time they come to our town. I used to love Ronnie Raines legs whips.
I miss watchin this on tv Sat mornings bak in tha late 70s & early 80s
I remember this going to Downtown in LA to see the Tbirds they were great. Greatest Sport around. Every time I got the chance to watch it on tv or luckily enough to go see them live I would. Those were actually good old days. It would of been something big if would of continued. Terrific childhood memories!!!!!
This is hilarious! I've never seen it but always kept hearing Fred talk about watching it on Sanford and Son
OMG! How much I loved this sport as a kid. I judiciously watched the matches each week on a local television station. Each telecast lasted one hour, and was heavily edited for time. But Joan Weston was one of my idols. She was a legend in a time when many women were not even recognized for their physical acumen. Joanie was actually the most popular female athlete for a few years in the 70s … even greater than Billie Jean King. Joanie carried the sport of her shoulders for quite a while. Unfortunately, the decision was made to dissolve Roller Derby in 1973 (premature in my opinion). It never was able to recapture its tremendous popularity thereafter. During it's heyday, more than 50,000 fans watch a Roller Derby-Roller Games match from the Chicago White Sox stadium, over 35,000 at Shea Stadium in NY (Where the Mets used to play), and they always sold out Madison Square Garden (20,000). Derby was the biggest, most thrilling thing of its time, but fell victim to the gasoline shortage and other financial restraints, and folded. It then was turned into Roller GAMES, and became too theatrical. The Games made the Derby players second rate, and Derby skaters were dominated by Games skaters. Joanie being dominated by a second or third string GAMES player was more than we could stand, and, as a result, the sport died on the East Coast, never to ever regain its popularity. The problem was that the sport relied too much on their legends, and did foster bringing forth younger players to replace them, so you had players in their 40s and 50s still skating and dominating the sport, when they should have nurtured other skaters to replace them. That was their BIGGEST mistake.
There was more involved then just the issue with gasoline. However point moot. Last chance it really had to return was during the '99-2000 era when Roller Jam was created. There was talent. There was a large television contract. Sadly there was yes the same formula that yes Roller Games & Bill Griffiths brought to it that practically spelled it's final nail in the coffin! Sad mainstream media too even finally gave it decent write ups. Just didn't live up to it's capacitiy or what many had hoped be Roller Derby's revival.
Greaat insight into the sport. The only thing I'll disagree with is that the Derby skaters weren't dominated by the Games skaters at all. Everyone played and skated equally. The Derby skaters left because they were miserable skating the fake Games junk. Within one season almost every one of them was gone. Margie Lazlo held out the longest but she eventually left too.
Jerry Seltzer also was going through a nasty divorce in '73.
Isn't that too bad. Letting a divorce contribute to the demise of something this great that left all those hard working skaters that devoted their lives to it out of work. Too bad.
@@lasktdave Don't forget an attempt by the Skaters to unionize as well. I think a combination of all 3 did the Seltzer International Roller Derby League in!
I BECAME A LITTLE BUDDY OF JOHN PARKER AND BETTY BROWN OF THE NORTHERN HAWKS AT THE CHERRY HILL ARENA AND IT WAS A HIGH POINT OF MY LIFE AND THEY ALSO BOTH TAUGHT ME TO SKATE ON THE BANK TRACK.
John was great. One of my trainers and a real nice guy off the track.
Love this Interleague game but wish they had kept the one between The Northern Hawks and The N.Y. Chiefs
This used to be on KDNL 30 in St. louis and KPLR in St. Louis I checked it out every Saturday and Sunday morning and evenings
what memories,i never missed a game at the amphitheatre.
Chet Coppock the announcer. We called him Chet Peacock in Chicago because he was such a prima donna.
🤣Ha,ha,ha
Tonette Toni Kadrmus was the fastest rising STAR in roller games history
I disagree with that.
She did have what looked like a very promising future ahead of her, but things didn't pan out too well for anyone...
True but Betty Brown was a more powerful skater.
Finally found it. Mami use to watch this and I was looking for it.
SADELY THEY ERASED THE NORTHERN HAWKS FACING THE N.Y. CHIEFS AND AGAINST THE PIONEERS BUT THEY ERASED THE GOLDEN TICKETS OF MATCH UPS. BILL GROLLS MATCH RACES WITH JOHN PARKER WERE SOME OF THE MOST BRUTAL I HAD EVER SEEN
Wellington here. I see Chett Coppock is doing the " Call of the Action " for this one. I used to luv to listen to it. And the " Goldern Girl " Joan Weston is in this one.
I am surprised to see " Danny Reilly " skating for the Renegades. I was not aware he skated for them.
Bill Griffiths wanted to expand the Roller Games teams and wanted a out of control team so he made Reilly the coach and took Tonette off if the N.Y. Bombers to be the Captain much like he did to created The Brooklyn Devils with Diane Severson and Wild Bill Erghot. Sadely at this time we lost The Australian Kangaroos with Gooch Gueterri. But i had know Elaine Everson of The Kangaroos and she gave me her Jersey so there always in my heart. They were a giant team.
Kadramas and Forbes was a good match up....I'd like to have seen a match race between those too.
back when it was good.
LOVE IT...WWF on wheels!!
this is nuts! holy cow
JIM DO YOU HAVE THESE REMASTERED ON DVD.?
IF ONLY VHS MACHINES HAD BEEN OUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TAPED ALL THE MISSING MATCH UPS LIKE THE NOTHERN HAWKS.
Roller Derby might have been fake back then I used to go the games and watch on tv but at least it looked more real than wrestling.
Agree Jerry Seltzer's Roller Derby too had more resemblance to a competitive sport then Bill Griffiths Roller Games. Though it did give Skaters more of a chance to work & live out their dream @ least. Not only one game in town!
Falling on your ass ain't fake...just saying!
That interview! That is funny. Almost like trash talk on wrestling or something.
Is this footage available for licensing?
" Moo Moo Calvin " was a Good Match up for The " Golden Girl " Joan Weston. 2 of the Big Women in Roller Derby going at it. Debbie Cho went right Over the High end of the railing!
Wow, that sucks to have 2 whips in a row just to go down. Yikes.
Cool 😎
Go to METV'S WEB SIT. THEY ARE STREAMING COMPLETE GAMES FROM THE 70s ON THEIR WEB SITE
I wished they still were! LOL!
TONETTE WAS SOMETHING BUT I LIKED HER BETTER AS JUDY SOWINSKI'S SECOND ON THE NEW YORK BOMBERS.
現在ローラーゲームは開催してるのですか若い頃は超好きなスポーツ格闘技でした。
Joan Weston. Now that is a woman Woho!
nick married a winner. that blonde hair, man magnet. i loved her laugh during kademas's hype. its like "i can't believe this schtick." joan is selling a sport. respect.
Yesh can we buy the dvd of this
what is the name of the number 8 renegade? tks
Tonette Kadramas
MISS. TONETTE KADRMUS # 8 THE BODY BEAUTIFUL WAS A SECOND TO JUDY SOWONSKI ON THE NEW YORK BOMBERS BEFORE THE WESTERN RENEGADES WAS FORMED WITH A SUPPOSED TEAM OF PLAYERS THAT WERE UNCONTROLLABLE.
Watched this on KPLR channel 11 St Louis, then it was Wrestling at the Chase on next!
I don’t care for flat track Roller Derby, it’s a joke. Although I do understand the cost and labor of banked track. I just don’t care for flat track.
A banked track brings a completely different dimension to the sport of Roller Derby. Today's game is very different. As Jerry Seltzer defined it best "More so a rugby scrimmage!". It's much slower & difficult to pick out individual players by yes their whacky uniforms. Yes Roller Derby today is legitimate to back then when it was well fixed. Though Roller Derby had @ least more realism then Games! Either or I think this old format can still work & better if made a legitimate game. Yes & keep to the old rules. Keep it simple. Not like today. Just enforce the rules that already on the books!
George Gong I agree, but today’s Roller Derby is a show. I much admire the skating skills of the skaters back then.
I actually got a chance too to see a current flack track game demoed @ the Cal Expo years ago. Free part of admission involving the "Sac Girls" Agree did nothing for me either. If this was done legit & with a banked track honestly I believe it could come back. Sadly yes too would require someone with deep pockets & patient enough to allow a new fan base. A lot of us OG's are dying out sadly. Many of the Skaters seen here too sadly long passed.
Funny today's Derby would consider what we prefer a "show"! LOL!
Lucian David FLAT TRACK SUCKS
THE BODY BEAUTIFUL NUMBER 8.
Green #1 looks like a heavy hitter
Tidewater Cats of Norfolk
that #8 on the renegades turns me on!.
Roller Derby and Roller Games were to separate Leagues
Two.
Why did they change the way Roller Derby is played? These days it is completely different from the 60’ & 70’s. I don’t like the way it is played these days.
For me THE warriors THE BEST!!!!!
THE WARRIORS WOULD NOT DO INTERLEAGUE AT THE TIME BUT THEY DID PRODUCE THE MOST POPULAR ROLLER GAMES STAR OF ALL TIME JUDY ARNOLD. SO POPULAR WAS JUDY THAT ON ROLLER GAMES NIGHTS THE PHILADELPHIA SPECTRUM WOULD RENAME THE BUILDING JUDYS PLACE 16,000 FANS EVERY TIME THEY PLAYED THERE.
I realize that Chet Coppock is very young in this broadcast, but he comes off as an overblown cliche factory...
Chet had a different style appeared more so for Games if you will! Still a different style of broadcasting no one can beat the late Walt Harris!
@@georgegong6813 What bothered me most about Coppock was he NEVER pronounced skaters' names correctly. In this game, for instance, he butchered Mike and Ken "Ah-DA-me" names. This wasn't the only name he constantly mispronounced. As an announcer of any kind, you should do a little homework and prepare for your call of the game. And that "bango" shit used to make me gag.
@@donniehagy5125 Chet was indeed different I thought more appealing perhaps to those in the Midwest. Good to read later his broadcasting career didn't end where his Roller Derby one ended. His style did take awhile to get used to. I prefer it over Roller Games announcers like Dick Lane, Elmer Anderson, or especially Ed Darian though for sure. Anderson perhaps should had stuck to simply color commenting maybe. I never heard Coppick cover the Milwaukee Bucks. I understand though where you're coming from on the names of Skaters though. Also too much of a comedian too wasn't as natural with jokes or when it was totally appropriate to sneak a quick joke once in awhile like Walt Harris did.
@@georgegong6813 Agreed George. I thought Dick Lane was a hoot because, well, he covered a "hoot" of a game. I never took "Games" seriously because what the skaters skated wouldn't allow it. Walt Harris was the epitome of a professional announcer. I loved to hear him do his broadcast. It is a shame that most of the Roller Derby games were either taped over or thrown away. ESPN now has the nerve to recast "Roller Jam," which is one of the reasons the Derby heard the death knell.
@@donniehagy5125 Wow really? Never knew ESPN would broadcast Roller Jam guess they had to purchase the old tapes from TNN I forgot what that station is called now. Don't know what be worse to view either...Games or Jam! LOL! Either or yes Walt Harris always treated Roller Derby or anything he broadcasted or narrated if you will with professionalism 1st. No one even Ken Nydell IMHO stood a candle to Walt Harris's style & though Nydell did so also professionally, sorry didn't agree with his overall critique of Harris. Yes I do agree Jam too didn't help bring legitimate Derby back nor helped it either. Then all water under the...track now anyhow! Sadly doubt if any game like we knew if would ever come back. If so it would have to be done very differently not even the way Jerry Seltzer did it sadly. Today it's a completely different world now too!
It's about as real as pro wrestling, but fun!
A lot more real that wrestling. Real sport with color thrown in to get the audience hyped up.
Chet talks to much
MOO MOO PATTY CAVIN . WE JUST LOST PATTI.
25:55 dat dropkick
6:13 6:31
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Violent show roller derby is much better than legit or 5 stride derby. I had so much fun skating free style and putting on a show. I never liked the 5 stried, There is no purpose for it to begin with,
Yeah there is. It's the easiest, fastest way to get around the track. Follows the curves of the track.
I was forced to go watch this stupid stuff as a young girl. my parent were so engrossed with it half the time they did not know where or who I was with. If it wasnt for some respectful navy officers I could have been kidnapped or raped. only part I thought was funny was when their was a dwarf or midget guy would upset some of the one team and that made me laugh. would later have stayed home and watched the tv.