I think the art style move was a terrible decision. I know so many people that dropped it soon as they moved. I believe people are just at a point where they don't trust in the project after that. It's a huge thing to many people, as many of my friends have said they feel it's no a different game, and I have to agree with them. Changing the art so drastically crushed pretty much everyone that I know personally, that invested in the game. Man this really burns me as someone that has been working on contracts on multiple MMO projects over the last few years that have accomplished more than these Kickstarter projects with less than 2% of what many of them have scored. People are slowly moving away from Kickstarter projects though, which is good I reckon.
@@Renfail Yea man, a few day ago my friend asked me, "You know of any successfully released Kickstarted MMORPGs?" I couldn't come up with anything. Project Gorgon, an MMO I currently work on had a Kickstarter campaign that was successful, but it had already been out for a while before that, so that one was out. Ashes of Creation was the only one that came to mind, but that one also hasn't released, so that was out as well. I honestly don't know of any that were successfully released being dependent on the crowdfunding earnings to release.
@@Nobody-dc8dp WOW... That's crazy to hear. VR is that thing that continues to rear its head and die. People don't seem to realize that it's a gimmick and all gimmicks die relatively quickly. I actually bought my son one of those extremely expensive ones last Christmas and he used it for 8 hours and didn't use it again for the entire month. I asked him why he wasn't using it and he said it was annoying and inconvenient. He said it was so much easier to just fire up his XBOX and sit on his bed and play. I also have an associate that banked heavily on it after he and his business partner were supposedly assured support with marketing and advertisement from Oculus themselves before they were sold. He said they never received any support and their game has kind of limped about this entire time. VR is definitely nothing to try to conform a game to, unnecessarily.
@AaronVictoria Project Gorgon is far from a successful kickstarter. Successful in getting the money, yes. But theres still basic features on their kickstarter and their buyable packages not implemented in the game. Let alone a character creator with no creation elements lol. P:G is a fun and silly game, but far from successful in terms of taking their money and goals and realizing that into the game in any reasonable timeline.
Well they were confident they could make it happen by December. Looks like they did. To my shock as I was hating on this game so hard but now I can't put it down. Loving it. 83% positive on steam as this comment. Good signs so far. Like fine wine.
To anyone that was hardcore for EQ back in the day, this game is everything they wanted in an mmo with updated and improved features. All these naysayers are just hating on the game and its a shame alot of those people have not even played it. The acclimation system is very unique and in all my years of playing mmos i have not seen anything like it. For anyone who is tired with todays mmos are that pussified and way to easy and literally have almost nothing in the way of exploration, this game should strike a chord with you. If people who have already invested support the game then it will succeed. The problem is not VR, its the haters and naysayers and the people who want everything handed to them and the people who cant think for themselves and need mindless quests that give you a waypoint to every thing you do. Thats the problem with society, they want everything easy and soon as the going gets tough they quit and whine like a bunch of babies. Ive played the game and almost every class and all of the classes ive played have had a refreshed look on the class in a revitalized space with a new take on old school mmos. Try it before you knock it, because if your knocking it and haven't tried it your just as ignorant as everyone else. How can you speak on something youve never tried or tasted? Yall talk so much shit without knowing anything that its embarrassing.
Bro, I want this game to succeed more than anyone. I played EQ from 99-2006 when I was a kid. I made around 30,000 dollars hunting rare mobs, selling plat, items, etc. I lived EQ. Then I played EQ 2 off and on for years. It was never as good as EQ. Then I beta tested Vanguard for a year and even played it for 6 months b4 giving up. Pantheon? I followed the game back in 2016-2020. I gave up on it shortly after Brad died. The game looks worse than it did when he was alive. It looks and feels worse than EQ1, and that game came out 25 years ago! They overhauled the graphics system, making everything worse. The characters move worse than a 2d Ultima Online game. It looks bad and tries to be EQ, but it's just a empty shell looking joke of a game that had promise at one time. If u don't see that, then I have no idea what you're seeing.
The game has taken 10 years of development and looks trash, I say this as a game dev myself. I also played EQ 1 and loved it. I don't believe the devs of this game have any intention of finishing developing it, it's just a cash grab scam to me. Avoiding.
@ Grinding mobs, corpse runs, and forced grouping is "content"? Good luck that. In the meantime, don't forget daily streams on UA-cam & Twitch as we play modern games with modern features :) 6 a.m. central, hope to see you there!
Nah. I won't be making any further content around the game unless it makes it to an actual launch. They've squandered millions of dollars and 12+ years of good will, and there's a reason their "early access" is only pulling in the same amount of nightly concurrents as the P99 emulator server. If it ever makes it to an actual launch, I might cover it, but until then it's another dead game, and I look at it the same way I do WildStar
As a new player, I am enjoying early access. I don't know anything about the history of pantheons development, but the base is there, and if they can add content and updates to the game consistently it could end up being a great classic-feeling MMO. Like you said, there hasn't been any other companies that have been able to pull this off, so maybe they can be the first.
Fair enough. Like I said, I haven't been following for 10 years, so perhaps im naive, but i do have some faith for the game based on what I've seen in EA. It's a style of game that i want to see in the world, so I will remain cautiously optimistic. Worst-case scenario, I spent $40 on a good amount of entertainment over the holidays.
I don’t like to obfuscate on this issue, especially when word play is being used as copium, but if you’re allowing people to play a game, and play it from Steam, and charging for the ability to play, it’s not early access, you’ve launched the game.
I love it so far. It is scratching an old EQ itch. I am still skeptical but I have nearly 200 hours since December 18th. I can't stop playing. Far exceeded my expectations.
The game was seemingly in a much better state 5-6 years ago. Many questionable decisions have been made since then. I have been enjoying playing the seasons but the game is very unfinished.
A lot of valid points you bring up. On the positive side though, changing the art style has seemingly boosted their workflow, so thats good. I treat the game like star citizen. If it comes out in full, ill play it in full. I'm enjoying the current state of Pantheon. I never want games to fail. Just take things as they come. In the meantime there's so many other games to play while we wait
"On the positive side though, changing the art style has seemingly boosted their workflow, so thats good." You've got the cause and effect wrong. They changed the art style and "improved their workflow" to avoid a lawsuit.
I know where the money went. It went to pay their salaries. There is no incentive to release a game if you can pay yourself to work on it indefinitely, and then beg for more money when you run out. When the community got angry enough to threaten lawsuits, then the game was magically ready for release. They spent a decade dreaming up new game systems that nobody asked for or wanted, iterating on them, then trashing them to iterate some more. Basically, all the work that should be done before the kickstarter was even launched. Honestly, they could have done EA at any point in the last 6 years, if that is what they were going to do. EA is just a cash grab and an attempt to avoid getting sued. Then they changed all the art in the game in a period of 7 days and it looks like a low-budget generic mobile fantasy game that is free to play.
" There is no incentive to release a game if you can pay yourself to work on it indefinitely, and then beg for more money when you run out." They did this for as long as they could get away with it, doing minimal work and pissed away people's money for over a decade. It's been a scam the entire time
Have you talked about Monsters and Memories? And OG EQ1 Dev is building it with a small team. He streams his dev on Twitch. It's pretty cool to see and watch it grow.
Oh it's definitely happening. This will be similar to what Sigil did with Vanguard. I was a tester for a year in that game. The next update was supposed to be a class revamp test. 3 days later, Sigil announced Vanguard was releasing in a month, lol. It went from 200000 subs to 40k. In 7 yrs the game finally shut down. So, point is, Pantheon's early access release is nothing more than a way to make some money from the idiots that pay 40 dollars for the game. Then they'll work hard to patch, patch, tweak the game until ppl get bored and leave. Then the game will be shut down for good. And Brad's 2nd MMO experience after EQ will be dead.
I just have immense regret for dumping $750 and then seeing what the current state of the "game" is. Oh well, time to hope for EverCraft instead :fingers-crossed:
I have zero faith in this game, and do not actually care at all if it succeeds...but I feel like you gotta realize the things you are harping on about them "lying" and wondering where the money went is silly. Mmo's are expensive as hell to develop and it is absolutely believable that they underestimated the development/infrastructure costs of the development. Harp on the systems you don't like, be irritated that they make design decisions or with how they word things...but I don't think them thinking they had enough money and then not actually having it makes them liars lol. They were just wrong about the budget being enough. Yes the wording isn't written very well on their message, but they likely are not trained on public relations work and expecting a small development team to have someone trained in that area is a bit much.
@@Renfail ...Let's assume 10 developers, and most mmo's have more than that...that's 100k a year over 10 years. If we assume 20...and pretty much every successful mmo ever has a team at least that big...that's 50k a year...which is not large. And that's just salary with no server rental or anything. Don't be daft.
I started playing recently after a friend bought me the supporter pledge so I could try it out. I absolutely hated it. Seemed too bare bones for how much money and time has gone into development, and also hate the art style. After putting 600 hours into TL in the first month I'm now burned out on it lol and decided to give Pantheon a second chance. I will say I'm enjoying it more than Embers Adrift. Will I give it much more time? Probably not
Early Access seems like VR's attempt to reach a Steam audience unfamiliar with Pantheon's original goals. To succeed, they'd need significant progress with core mechanics and enough content to keep both existing fans and new players engaged. The janky combat animations remain a major issue, and the art direction change, while possibly needed, feels too late and raises concerns about wasted development time. If they can completely change the art style, it implies minimal progress was made in the first place. This drastic pivot is concerning, especially after a decade of development. I won't delve further into the mess, but it's disheartening. Your "friends" who abandoned you over differing Pantheon opinions were likely caught up in the hype, unable to handle any negativity or criticism. Cognitive dissonance hurts. I hope they are able to pull something off, But I can't help but look at the project with anything but pessimism. Because that is what VR has demonstrated over the entire development of the project. They made the bed, but they keep acting like someone else messed it up. "Everything Is fine" meme comes to mind
What have players been asking for over 15 years? An Everquest 1 clone with HD graphics and less robotic animations. With today's tools, this takes a team of 5 motivated people 1 year. The rest is chatter. Thanks Renfail for the clarification.
I was shocked that this game is now in Early Access as of 12-13? I was super excited by this game and the thought of reliving EverQuest. The graphics and mechanics looked good, but something changed dramatically in the graphics and I lost my interest. One of my friends if playing it now and I will ask him about it. Is this Early Access just ploy to get more money without finishing the game?
Everything involved with this game is destined to fail. If it really does come out it will be shut down before its out for a year with the extremely niche player base they are trying to cater to. Along with the absurdly long development time and how horribly dated it already looks no one is going to buy it.
Did it finally launch? Oh, wait. No. It's just a bare bones early access that shows nothing after 12 years of development. Come back when it's ACTUALLY feature complete and launched.
Welp, that explains the ridiculous price for this game's early access. Smash n grab in progress I realize this is old, but my point is they pushed this crap out for $40 because they are gonna shutdown after this one last grift....early access. Its obvious after seeing the early access this game is doa. Devs knew this but fogured if they could get a cpl thousand dopes to gove them $40 before they shut down why not
One issue they need to address are the pledges. Long long ago I paid something like $250 for a champions pledge. Go ahead and make fun of me but to be fair this was in the Kickstarter hay day. Included with my pledge were "2 copies of the game" and that is important to me because my brother and I were and still are planning to play together. I like the game but I paid $250 for it and I want my 2 copies. The issue is they don't understand they won't make hardly any money when early access launches if they give us all our "free" copies we paid for 8-10 years ago. There will be so many friend keys floating around no one will have to buy the game. I have been playing it and genuinely enjoy it. It took too long though. I don't see a way for them to make any money at this point and that is what will kill it. Lots of players will play it and enjoy it. But if they can't get income because anyone the community invites just gives them a friend key what will they do?
I've played a bit during this most recent season and can say that although I had fun my overall forecast for the game isn't great. I fully understood that the game was still basically in Alpha but after so many years I expected there to be more finished. When they announced early access starting in December I was honestly shocked. I just cannot fathom 4 to 5 months being nearly enough time to get the game into a state that I feel properly qualifies as "early access" unless there's a lot that they have done and just haven't given us yet.
Bummer... Been following the development off and on for years now as someone who played EQ when it first launched. Guess I'll just have to stick to private EQ servers for now.
I try the Recent Summoner in Pantheon and I can say Early Access is going to be great if they can be ok with their Niche if not then well it's back to another 10 years waiting as they change it again. I may see how early access is but I pretty much gave up. Pantheon Developers: We want this game in your hands. For how long because a thousand players is not great if they don't stay.
Consider checking it out again on Friday (when EA launches on steam), or at least peruse some current content. Game is looking pretty good, in my opinion. I've enjoyed playing a lot of it over the last several months. This video seems like you have had your mind made up about it for a while, I suggest going in with an open mind this time. I think you really mis-characterized the "with your help" section. Intentionally? It literally says "help testing" not help with money. Of course they also want more money but that was specifically about testing content and mechanics, which it flat out says.
Just feels like nobody wanted the game to suceed. Its an odd thing about mmo gaming. I bet everyone is right about the game..I still want it to exist. Eh, life isnt fair and will continue otherwise. All lower budget mmos should just stop.
Lower budget MMOs should indeed go home. It's just not possible with the current calibre of low-budget hacks trying to make games. Get some skill, put in the time, and realize you need engineers who can actually optimize your game. Just because you can program or put art assets together does not = the skills needed to put together an MMORPG and successfully launch and market it.
haven't heard anything in a while about the game so googled it and this came up so i was like " yup, I knew it ". Just to bad again another one fails, i wonder if those that paid crowdfunding get their money back ?
Only here because Pantheon released on Steam, yes in EA, but it released in the sense it can be paid for and played as it currently stands. And I just gotta say, boy does it ever just piss me off that people think they should make money developing games. What I mean by that, because of course clarification is necessary, is that people think "I should make money developing games!" rather than "I should make money releasing complete games!" People talk about all this nostalgia for retro games, but back in the late 90's I wasn't playing Atari, I was playing PlayStation games. In the early 00's, I was playing PS2 games and things on PC like Final Fantasy XI. In 2005 I played WoW:TBC and then WotLK, and so on, and so forth. A game "releasing" in 2024 that looks like a game from pre-00's, and they have the balls to charge $40 for it and not even promise that they won't charge a sub, but just leave it open? A game with no map, but you drop everything when you die so good luck with that? What? How stupid and utterly disappointing. They kept working on it and working on it, they worked on it long enough for their well known major player to fucking die. They kept working on it long enough to run into a snafu with Unity. Now they've run out of money, so they've fired a bunch of people, and are going to gorge themselves on absurdly high EA prices before they shut the whole thing down. Gross.
It certainly doesn't scream "savior of the MMORPG industry" like everyone was clamoring. Nor does it have the "hundreds of thousands of players" that so many of the hardcore fanbois claimed it would have. It's got a few thousand playing, which is cool, but it's honestly not that many more than the EQ emulator servers have in total, which means it's the same neckbeard crowd playing it, without bringing anyone new into the fold.
@@Renfail I mean, ok, 19.99 and you support development of the game. Ok, I can see that. But this bullshit of 30 - 40 for an incomplete game is becoming more and more popular. We thought DLC were complete bullshit, now we are paying full price for games that arent even near done. Whats next on the levels of how to fk the consumer?
@@Renfail Starting the dev timer at the announcement of the kickstarter reveals your Troll level to be minus 1. And making fake accounts to cheerlead your videos is lame.
It's so bad , but it happened . its sooOOOoo bad. i love eq , im currently playing on 2 box emu servers and im playing a single account emu at the same time , so i love love eq 1 , eq2 was meh ok it wasnt too bad i try to keep an opened mind.... Pantheon looks like a 2 month slap together, if they drop it on steam they can just say look no one wants to play it , no one likes the game, its got bad comments and i think pantheon is gonna use that as a way to get out of making it with no money. FYI i see more people on a private wow server right now then every Pantheon server combined. Lawsuit incoming.
I think the art style move was a terrible decision. I know so many people that dropped it soon as they moved. I believe people are just at a point where they don't trust in the project after that. It's a huge thing to many people, as many of my friends have said they feel it's no a different game, and I have to agree with them. Changing the art so drastically crushed pretty much everyone that I know personally, that invested in the game.
Man this really burns me as someone that has been working on contracts on multiple MMO projects over the last few years that have accomplished more than these Kickstarter projects with less than 2% of what many of them have scored. People are slowly moving away from Kickstarter projects though, which is good I reckon.
Kickstarter was GREAT for CRPGs, single player games, etc., but a total failure for MMORPGs.
@@Renfail Yea man, a few day ago my friend asked me, "You know of any successfully released Kickstarted MMORPGs?" I couldn't come up with anything. Project Gorgon, an MMO I currently work on had a Kickstarter campaign that was successful, but it had already been out for a while before that, so that one was out. Ashes of Creation was the only one that came to mind, but that one also hasn't released, so that was out as well. I honestly don't know of any that were successfully released being dependent on the crowdfunding earnings to release.
They changed the art style because of VR support, which is just a ridiculous choice.
@@Nobody-dc8dp WOW... That's crazy to hear. VR is that thing that continues to rear its head and die. People don't seem to realize that it's a gimmick and all gimmicks die relatively quickly. I actually bought my son one of those extremely expensive ones last Christmas and he used it for 8 hours and didn't use it again for the entire month. I asked him why he wasn't using it and he said it was annoying and inconvenient. He said it was so much easier to just fire up his XBOX and sit on his bed and play.
I also have an associate that banked heavily on it after he and his business partner were supposedly assured support with marketing and advertisement from Oculus themselves before they were sold. He said they never received any support and their game has kind of limped about this entire time. VR is definitely nothing to try to conform a game to, unnecessarily.
@AaronVictoria Project Gorgon is far from a successful kickstarter. Successful in getting the money, yes. But theres still basic features on their kickstarter and their buyable packages not implemented in the game. Let alone a character creator with no creation elements lol. P:G is a fun and silly game, but far from successful in terms of taking their money and goals and realizing that into the game in any reasonable timeline.
Well they were confident they could make it happen by December. Looks like they did. To my shock as I was hating on this game so hard but now I can't put it down. Loving it. 83% positive on steam as this comment. Good signs so far. Like fine wine.
To anyone that was hardcore for EQ back in the day, this game is everything they wanted in an mmo with updated and improved features. All these naysayers are just hating on the game and its a shame alot of those people have not even played it. The acclimation system is very unique and in all my years of playing mmos i have not seen anything like it. For anyone who is tired with todays mmos are that pussified and way to easy and literally have almost nothing in the way of exploration, this game should strike a chord with you. If people who have already invested support the game then it will succeed. The problem is not VR, its the haters and naysayers and the people who want everything handed to them and the people who cant think for themselves and need mindless quests that give you a waypoint to every thing you do. Thats the problem with society, they want everything easy and soon as the going gets tough they quit and whine like a bunch of babies. Ive played the game and almost every class and all of the classes ive played have had a refreshed look on the class in a revitalized space with a new take on old school mmos. Try it before you knock it, because if your knocking it and haven't tried it your just as ignorant as everyone else. How can you speak on something youve never tried or tasted? Yall talk so much shit without knowing anything that its embarrassing.
thats bs i never edited my comment.
Bro, I want this game to succeed more than anyone. I played EQ from 99-2006 when I was a kid. I made around 30,000 dollars hunting rare mobs, selling plat, items, etc. I lived EQ. Then I played EQ 2 off and on for years. It was never as good as EQ.
Then I beta tested Vanguard for a year and even played it for 6 months b4 giving up.
Pantheon? I followed the game back in 2016-2020. I gave up on it shortly after Brad died.
The game looks worse than it did when he was alive. It looks and feels worse than EQ1, and that game came out 25 years ago!
They overhauled the graphics system, making everything worse. The characters move worse than a 2d Ultima Online game. It looks bad and tries to be EQ, but it's just a empty shell looking joke of a game that had promise at one time. If u don't see that, then I have no idea what you're seeing.
The game has taken 10 years of development and looks trash, I say this as a game dev myself. I also played EQ 1 and loved it. I don't believe the devs of this game have any intention of finishing developing it, it's just a cash grab scam to me. Avoiding.
@@philmehrart Game dev my ass. Just another troll.
Didnt age well
I mean how many copies did they sell? If they were already out of money before this game might not last very long lol
@hipdashopotamus still growing. New peak every week thus far
This could be their last cash grab.
@@nathangrace540 idk, pretty transparent and a big update coming in a couple days.
@@Gnomeshire I’m going to wait a couple months and see if there’s steady updates coming or if we are going to get ghosted.
This did not age well.
It aged perfectly. The game hasn't launched, it's only in EA, with zero content and no end in sight, after 12 years of development.
@ Grinding mobs, corpse runs, and forced grouping is "content"? Good luck that. In the meantime, don't forget daily streams on UA-cam & Twitch as we play modern games with modern features :) 6 a.m. central, hope to see you there!
Just bought the game, and it's awesome. It's unfortunate it's on Steam, and I can't buy 2 copies to duo box.
Enjoy if that's your thing
You should make an updated video about pantheon. I'm genuinely curious about your thoughts and reactions to the early access release of Pantheon.
Nah. I won't be making any further content around the game unless it makes it to an actual launch. They've squandered millions of dollars and 12+ years of good will, and there's a reason their "early access" is only pulling in the same amount of nightly concurrents as the P99 emulator server. If it ever makes it to an actual launch, I might cover it, but until then it's another dead game, and I look at it the same way I do WildStar
As a new player, I am enjoying early access. I don't know anything about the history of pantheons development, but the base is there, and if they can add content and updates to the game consistently it could end up being a great classic-feeling MMO. Like you said, there hasn't been any other companies that have been able to pull this off, so maybe they can be the first.
The problem is the base took them 12 years and millions in wasted development dollars and no one has any faith left in them.
Fair enough. Like I said, I haven't been following for 10 years, so perhaps im naive, but i do have some faith for the game based on what I've seen in EA. It's a style of game that i want to see in the world, so I will remain cautiously optimistic. Worst-case scenario, I spent $40 on a good amount of entertainment over the holidays.
@@adriangenge4567 nothing wrong with that if you get out of it what you think you put in
I don’t like to obfuscate on this issue, especially when word play is being used as copium, but if you’re allowing people to play a game, and play it from Steam, and charging for the ability to play, it’s not early access, you’ve launched the game.
lol that's one way of looking at it for sure.
The game is out try it and see for your self i like it
It's not out. It's early access. Not even remotely the same thing.
I love it so far. It is scratching an old EQ itch. I am still skeptical but I have nearly 200 hours since December 18th. I can't stop playing. Far exceeded my expectations.
Hey the game hit steam on December 13 I just heard about it today
Good video, I think most of the issues you raised are still apparent.
Indeed
The game was seemingly in a much better state 5-6 years ago. Many questionable decisions have been made since then. I have been enjoying playing the seasons but the game is very unfinished.
VERY unfinished.
A lot of valid points you bring up. On the positive side though, changing the art style has seemingly boosted their workflow, so thats good.
I treat the game like star citizen. If it comes out in full, ill play it in full.
I'm enjoying the current state of Pantheon. I never want games to fail. Just take things as they come.
In the meantime there's so many other games to play while we wait
"On the positive side though, changing the art style has seemingly boosted their workflow, so thats good." You've got the cause and effect wrong. They changed the art style and "improved their workflow" to avoid a lawsuit.
I know where the money went. It went to pay their salaries. There is no incentive to release a game if you can pay yourself to work on it indefinitely, and then beg for more money when you run out. When the community got angry enough to threaten lawsuits, then the game was magically ready for release. They spent a decade dreaming up new game systems that nobody asked for or wanted, iterating on them, then trashing them to iterate some more. Basically, all the work that should be done before the kickstarter was even launched. Honestly, they could have done EA at any point in the last 6 years, if that is what they were going to do. EA is just a cash grab and an attempt to avoid getting sued. Then they changed all the art in the game in a period of 7 days and it looks like a low-budget generic mobile fantasy game that is free to play.
Yep!
" There is no incentive to release a game if you can pay yourself to work on it indefinitely, and then beg for more money when you run out." They did this for as long as they could get away with it, doing minimal work and pissed away people's money for over a decade. It's been a scam the entire time
@@Recon7-t7f indeed
Have you talked about Monsters and Memories? And OG EQ1 Dev is building it with a small team. He streams his dev on Twitch. It's pretty cool to see and watch it grow.
Until it has a launch date it's not worth looking at
I think they will make enough in EA to last them a year. After that though I quickly see this suffering the same slow death as Embers Adrift.
Oh it's definitely happening. This will be similar to what Sigil did with Vanguard. I was a tester for a year in that game. The next update was supposed to be a class revamp test.
3 days later, Sigil announced Vanguard was releasing in a month, lol. It went from 200000 subs to 40k. In 7 yrs the game finally shut down.
So, point is, Pantheon's early access release is nothing more than a way to make some money from the idiots that pay 40 dollars for the game. Then they'll work hard to patch, patch, tweak the game until ppl get bored and leave. Then the game will be shut down for good. And Brad's 2nd MMO experience after EQ will be dead.
Until and unless they have an ACTUAL launch date (not an early access), it's not anything other than a glorified tech demo.
!Weather Alert! - Heavy snow already falling in Hell. 😂
Has it launched yet? What's that? Early Access? Yeah, that's not launch. Keep trying.
what are your thoughts now? ;D
Has it launched? No? Come talk to me when it's ACTUALLY launched.
I just have immense regret for dumping $750 and then seeing what the current state of the "game" is. Oh well, time to hope for EverCraft instead :fingers-crossed:
good luck =P
I have zero faith in this game, and do not actually care at all if it succeeds...but I feel like you gotta realize the things you are harping on about them "lying" and wondering where the money went is silly. Mmo's are expensive as hell to develop and it is absolutely believable that they underestimated the development/infrastructure costs of the development. Harp on the systems you don't like, be irritated that they make design decisions or with how they word things...but I don't think them thinking they had enough money and then not actually having it makes them liars lol. They were just wrong about the budget being enough. Yes the wording isn't written very well on their message, but they likely are not trained on public relations work and expecting a small development team to have someone trained in that area is a bit much.
Zero excuses when managing millions of dollars.
@@Renfail ...Let's assume 10 developers, and most mmo's have more than that...that's 100k a year over 10 years. If we assume 20...and pretty much every successful mmo ever has a team at least that big...that's 50k a year...which is not large. And that's just salary with no server rental or anything. Don't be daft.
I started playing recently after a friend bought me the supporter pledge so I could try it out. I absolutely hated it. Seemed too bare bones for how much money and time has gone into development, and also hate the art style. After putting 600 hours into TL in the first month I'm now burned out on it lol and decided to give Pantheon a second chance. I will say I'm enjoying it more than Embers Adrift. Will I give it much more time? Probably not
Worst $2k I've spent. Learned my lesson. Sad. Very sad.
Oof, that's unfortunate.
Ouch.
It's not my jam, but I'm rooting for the old school peeps I know who really want it. It sounds like a real mess over there.
It's certainly nothing good
I've been diggin the game a lot throughout the testing seasons. Looking forward to December.
good luck =)
Early Access seems like VR's attempt to reach a Steam audience unfamiliar with Pantheon's original goals. To succeed, they'd need significant progress with core mechanics and enough content to keep both existing fans and new players engaged. The janky combat animations remain a major issue, and the art direction change, while possibly needed, feels too late and raises concerns about wasted development time. If they can completely change the art style, it implies minimal progress was made in the first place. This drastic pivot is concerning, especially after a decade of development. I won't delve further into the mess, but it's disheartening. Your "friends" who abandoned you over differing Pantheon opinions were likely caught up in the hype, unable to handle any negativity or criticism. Cognitive dissonance hurts. I hope they are able to pull something off, But I can't help but look at the project with anything but pessimism. Because that is what VR has demonstrated over the entire development of the project. They made the bed, but they keep acting like someone else messed it up. "Everything Is fine" meme comes to mind
it's a sad situation all around
What have players been asking for over 15 years? An Everquest 1 clone with HD graphics and less robotic animations. With today's tools, this takes a team of 5 motivated people 1 year. The rest is chatter. Thanks Renfail for the clarification.
It's all just smoke and mirrors.
I was shocked that this game is now in Early Access as of 12-13? I was super excited by this game and the thought of reliving EverQuest. The graphics and mechanics looked good, but something changed dramatically in the graphics and I lost my interest. One of my friends if playing it now and I will ask him about it. Is this Early Access just ploy to get more money without finishing the game?
good luck with that =P
Everything involved with this game is destined to fail. If it really does come out it will be shut down before its out for a year with the extremely niche player base they are trying to cater to. Along with the absurdly long development time and how horribly dated it already looks no one is going to buy it.
ayep!
Well, well, well...
Did it finally launch? Oh, wait. No. It's just a bare bones early access that shows nothing after 12 years of development. Come back when it's ACTUALLY feature complete and launched.
Welp, that explains the ridiculous price for this game's early access. Smash n grab in progress
I realize this is old, but my point is they pushed this crap out for $40 because they are gonna shutdown after this one last grift....early access. Its obvious after seeing the early access this game is doa. Devs knew this but fogured if they could get a cpl thousand dopes to gove them $40 before they shut down why not
Exactly this.
One issue they need to address are the pledges. Long long ago I paid something like $250 for a champions pledge. Go ahead and make fun of me but to be fair this was in the Kickstarter hay day. Included with my pledge were "2 copies of the game" and that is important to me because my brother and I were and still are planning to play together.
I like the game but I paid $250 for it and I want my 2 copies. The issue is they don't understand they won't make hardly any money when early access launches if they give us all our "free" copies we paid for 8-10 years ago. There will be so many friend keys floating around no one will have to buy the game.
I have been playing it and genuinely enjoy it. It took too long though. I don't see a way for them to make any money at this point and that is what will kill it. Lots of players will play it and enjoy it. But if they can't get income because anyone the community invites just gives them a friend key what will they do?
Good luck with that :)
How tf you gonna be in development for decades and have a handful of zones
Yep!
I've played a bit during this most recent season and can say that although I had fun my overall forecast for the game isn't great. I fully understood that the game was still basically in Alpha but after so many years I expected there to be more finished. When they announced early access starting in December I was honestly shocked. I just cannot fathom 4 to 5 months being nearly enough time to get the game into a state that I feel properly qualifies as "early access" unless there's a lot that they have done and just haven't given us yet.
Good luck
Id rather have Vanguard back
you can play on the emulated test server
its called VGOemulator
Bummer... Been following the development off and on for years now as someone who played EQ when it first launched. Guess I'll just have to stick to private EQ servers for now.
Good luck
I try the Recent Summoner in Pantheon and I can say Early Access is going to be great if they can be ok with their Niche if not then well it's back to another 10 years waiting as they change it again. I may see how early access is but I pretty much gave up. Pantheon Developers: We want this game in your hands. For how long because a thousand players is not great if they don't stay.
Ayep
Their niche will be about 1000 gamers. 10k max.
Well my friend the game is actually here on Steam
No it's not. It has an early access. That is not the same thing. Come back to me when it ACTUALLY launches
But...but Brad said this is going to rock!
hahahahahaha
hahaha brad died smoking rock!
I been commenting about this for years .
Yep. So have many of us.
Consider checking it out again on Friday (when EA launches on steam), or at least peruse some current content. Game is looking pretty good, in my opinion. I've enjoyed playing a lot of it over the last several months. This video seems like you have had your mind made up about it for a while, I suggest going in with an open mind this time.
I think you really mis-characterized the "with your help" section. Intentionally? It literally says "help testing" not help with money. Of course they also want more money but that was specifically about testing content and mechanics, which it flat out says.
Come back when it has an ACTUAL launch date, not an early access launch date.
Just feels like nobody wanted the game to suceed. Its an odd thing about mmo gaming. I bet everyone is right about the game..I still want it to exist. Eh, life isnt fair and will continue otherwise. All lower budget mmos should just stop.
Lower budget MMOs should indeed go home. It's just not possible with the current calibre of low-budget hacks trying to make games. Get some skill, put in the time, and realize you need engineers who can actually optimize your game. Just because you can program or put art assets together does not = the skills needed to put together an MMORPG and successfully launch and market it.
All these years and delays just to hear 'we're fk'd but here comes early access'. I couldn't be less interested.
lol yep!
Camelot Unchained…Pantheon…the core of it all is who is in charge. It’s a damn shame but not surprising.
Not surprising at all
haven't heard anything in a while about the game so googled it and this came up so i was like " yup, I knew it ". Just to bad again another one fails, i wonder if those that paid crowdfunding get their money back ?
oh hell no, that money is LONG gone
Only here because Pantheon released on Steam, yes in EA, but it released in the sense it can be paid for and played as it currently stands.
And I just gotta say, boy does it ever just piss me off that people think they should make money developing games.
What I mean by that, because of course clarification is necessary, is that people think "I should make money developing games!" rather than "I should make money releasing complete games!"
People talk about all this nostalgia for retro games, but back in the late 90's I wasn't playing Atari, I was playing PlayStation games. In the early 00's, I was playing PS2 games and things on PC like Final Fantasy XI. In 2005 I played WoW:TBC and then WotLK, and so on, and so forth.
A game "releasing" in 2024 that looks like a game from pre-00's, and they have the balls to charge $40 for it and not even promise that they won't charge a sub, but just leave it open? A game with no map, but you drop everything when you die so good luck with that? What?
How stupid and utterly disappointing. They kept working on it and working on it, they worked on it long enough for their well known major player to fucking die. They kept working on it long enough to run into a snafu with Unity. Now they've run out of money, so they've fired a bunch of people, and are going to gorge themselves on absurdly high EA prices before they shut the whole thing down.
Gross.
It certainly doesn't scream "savior of the MMORPG industry" like everyone was clamoring. Nor does it have the "hundreds of thousands of players" that so many of the hardcore fanbois claimed it would have. It's got a few thousand playing, which is cool, but it's honestly not that many more than the EQ emulator servers have in total, which means it's the same neckbeard crowd playing it, without bringing anyone new into the fold.
@@Renfail How can u bring new gen's of player into old school MMO when they are used to be carried around by the game, that wont happen.
well, to all the naysayers dismay, they did it.
No, they didn't. The game isn't released yet. Until they do. Until it is a FULL RELEASE, they haven't done anything. Early access alpha doesn't count.
This didn’t age well 😂😂
It ain't launched yet honey
Guess you where wrong lmao. gg.
Early Access is not launch, mate. Call me when it's ACTUALLY launched.
@misterbigglesworth6320 incorrect
RIP Brad. Today is November 18th, 2024. It's been 5 years now. So sad to see his final hoorah being driven into the ground by incompetence.
Indeed, it is sad.
Yeah pre-alpha to early access, they'll have it out I'm sure, it'll be an ugly, shitty pile of garbage
I haven't seen anything yet
@Renfail They just came out with a new Q&A hours ago! Can you please please please cover it??? Hahaha
Why? They don't show any footage. It's just them talking about the same things they've talked about for years and not showing ANY ACTUAL PROGRESS
@@Renfail hahahhahahahhahahaha oh god…. What a shitshow.. that’s horrible… they actually think people will fall for that???
40 fkin dollars? 40 fkin dollars?
Right?
@@Renfail I mean, ok, 19.99 and you support development of the game. Ok, I can see that. But this bullshit of 30 - 40 for an incomplete game is becoming more and more popular. We thought DLC were complete bullshit, now we are paying full price for games that arent even near done. Whats next on the levels of how to fk the consumer?
These people should be charged. They are crooks!
Líes líes and more líes.
It ain't launched yet, so good luck with that.
December 2034 theyll still be saying just alittle more time 😂
Yep!
This game died with Brad. 12 years of development and this tech demo is all they've got to show for? lol
Exactly this!
@@Renfail Starting the dev timer at the announcement of the kickstarter reveals your Troll level to be minus 1. And making fake accounts to cheerlead your videos is lame.
Didn't age well...
Oh sweetie, the game isn't launched yet. Aging just fine :)
@Renfail played it the past 4 days for 70+ hours but okay you're probably right - don't care sorry
They missed the boat. Monsters and Memories saw what people ACTUALLY wanted and grabbed it. There’s no market for this game anymore.
There's not really a market for M&M either. It's the same niche-of-a-niche. They'll have a couple thousand dedicated fans, but not many more.
Crowfall had more potential than this title. Everyone wanted this game to be the game of games, it's a shame.
Too much hype, too much mismanagement.
I wanted Crowfall to work so badly
lololol
Just about the right words to express what many are feeling right meow.
It's so bad , but it happened . its sooOOOoo bad. i love eq , im currently playing on 2 box emu servers and im playing a single account emu at the same time , so i love love eq 1 , eq2 was meh ok it wasnt too bad i try to keep an opened mind.... Pantheon looks like a 2 month slap together, if they drop it on steam they can just say look no one wants to play it , no one likes the game, its got bad comments and i think pantheon is gonna use that as a way to get out of making it with no money. FYI i see more people on a private wow server right now then every Pantheon server combined. Lawsuit incoming.
Yeah the comments ain't looking good :)