NEW 2021 Santa Cruz Bullit eMTB [170-millimeter Trail Eater Review]
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Hot on the heels of some freshly updated Heckler eMTB offerings, the Santa Cruz Bullit eMTB comes firing out of the barrel, ready to appease those e-bikers looking for more. More what? Everything of course! With 170mm of travel front and rear, slacker geo, the new Shimano Steps EP8 motor and a larger battery, the Santa Cruz Bullit is truly built to shred. In our latest Dissected Series episode we take an in-depth first look at this new e-enduro bike and what it has to offer riders in the market.
Built around the idea of “What goes up, loves coming down,” Santa Cruz Bicycles’ team wanted to make their biggest hitting eMTB that wasn’t just a one trick pony. While it is unapologetically aimed at taming the downs, it isn’t overly-built or overly slacked out to the point it’s not any fun when the trails aren’t vertical.
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This is so far THE BEST review on this bike. Video length, perfect. Bike info/content was superb. Great Job Loam W! Now if I can only magically wake up in the morning and see one by my side, I'll be thrilled $$$.
Thanks very much for the feedback Dan and stoked that you enjoyed it and got some valuable info.
The Bullit IS BACK, BABY‼️
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I think if the video would be more estructured, would be easier to get your thoughts on the bike. At least with the new youtube feature to divide the video in segments. Just an opinion though!
Syncline is awesome
Syncline season!
Really like this. I’m a big fan of Shimano, so with the new updates (even though it’s not quite perfect), helps even more. When Bosch seems to have a bit of a problem with their lockring’s that can come loose (make sure the shop checks it!) and on the Giant’s, which have the worst electrics known to man, have junk cables (which aren’t waterproof) which also link up to their awful head units, I’ll take the Santa Cruz any day! All I need now, is a “spare” £8k.
Too bad the whole ebike (MTB) industry is so incredibly anti-consumer. You can't buy frame only options, and you can't just upgrade your Shimano E8000 motor with an EP8. They use the same frame mounts, but you can't buy the motor alone. If your motor dies after the warranty expires, and are left with a frame that you can just throw away. You can't just buy a new motor. How is that environmentally or economically sane by any stretch? I know the motors are "tuned" (fancy way of saying "how it tilts") to the frame, but if it's possible for the factory via software to set it, it's possible for the consumer too if they know what they are doing. I feel the e-mtb market is just immature and too anti-consumer to actually be worth while at the moment. Sad really, because emtbs are so much fun, and opens up a lot of new ground to many people.
Hey Gustav,
Thanks for the comment and your input there. While we always try to position ourselves in the consumer's perspective since we truly value how hard people have to work and how much of that money get's spent on their passion for mountain bikes, we totally see where you are coming from!
We even felt the same and have implored brands, "Why can't we just retrofit an older frame with the new battery for more capacity?! Why can't you put the new motor unit in the old frame?!" We get replies from smart folks in the brand who have a whole list of nuances that never cross our minds that seem so small, but could yet make a big difference.
Does that mean we're happy about it? No. We understand the race for evolution is very fast and sometimes brands may put having the next best thing over having that thing fit in the same exact motor mounts as the previous generation, or improving battery sizing and technology so they're smaller and lighter, but then making aftermarket/upgrade models bigger just for the sake of having them fit in an older/larger sized frame.
It's a tricky spot for sure, and while we as consumer would love the ability to upgrade, someone from an eMTB motor manufacture asked me, what kind of car I had. When I told him he said, has Ford made better motors/engines since your vehicle was released? I said absolutely yes! "Could you take your car to the dealership and have them drop that new motor into your vehicle?" I said not without some massive headaches and expenses as they're pretty different platforms, sizes etc.
Granted it's a pretty big difference in comparison, but I don't think they're 100% anti-consumer,
Selling a frame only option though... We're with you there! Let us build our own ebikes! haha. Although good luck finding parts in this day and age. You'd probably just be sitting on a frame until October. haha.
Thanks for writing in.
I have my own legs and its good for any type of bike on this planet 😅
Don't worry there will be manufacturers supporting the idea. Bosch, Fazua, Panasonic, Giant, Brose. Yamaha just joining in the fun. So if Shimano does not want to support the idea, you got a lot more option upcoming in the market.
I totally agree. The other glaring objection is the PRICE!!! I mean you can get a car, or cost more than a new Yamaha 250 dirt bike. And the dirt bike has way more suspension and parts and a motor. Where is the industry going when you pay almost $12,000!!!!! Still, its just a bike. I'm getting discouraged with the industry and about ready to give up on mtb and back to dirt bikes. But I guess as long as people are willing to pay these ridiculous prices, there will be bike companies like SC pricing their bikes stupid expensive.
nice vid dude... i have the xt version ... it is an absolute blast... I´m 168 cm just like you and i am riding a M size. absolut great for me cause its still verry playful. the large woulb be to big for me for sure. cheers from germany
This is the one I’ve been waiting on
Right on!
Where did you guys film this looks amazing
Syncline on the Columbia River in Washington State!
@@TheLoamWolf awesome thank you added to the bucket list
Where did you do the testing for this vid? I want to ride those trails!
Whats the battery range on the bullit? Mixed reviews so would like your intake
"New" battery cover? New vs which previous cover? Did they make these changes on the Bullit or new compared to the Heckler?
Looks sick but I’m really not vibing with the amount of feed back you get in your pedals with VVP suspension
If you'd read our reviews on VPP designs for the last several years you'll remember Drew was definitely not a VPP fan, however he's been eating crow lately as many, not all!, but many new lower link models have greatly reduced the feedbcak to the feet. This bike with the coil shock does a pretty good job.
Can you actually buy this bike? I ordered a Hightower in June and delivery is now pushed back to April of 2021. I was told they are not producing bikes right now and are way behind on orders. Yet the hype keeps flowing. New bikes, reviews and marketing but no products🤬
At last, the bike we have been waiting for! May I ask you, you mentioned you are riding the Large at 5ft 11 which is 1m 80cm, not 168 cm or 170cm as you mentioned, am I right ? I am asking because I am 5ft 9 and wondering what size I should go with.
Great video!!!
At 5'9" you could probably get away with either depending on your personal preference for bike fit as well as local terrain. If it's high speed and wide open, maybe sizing up will give more confidence. If you ride tighter, technical trails, perhaps a medium will be more responsive and fun. We tend to prefer bikes that are not overly long.
Thanks and happy hunting!
@@TheLoamWolf Thank you very much, I appreciate it!
@@TheLoamWolf surely, pedaling seated a 591mm ett would feel extra cramped; on the other hand, 475mm of reach is a bit long for a 5'8-5'9. My 455 seems to work great(maybe 5 mm longer..maybe). The problem with SC is that they always make the M size just a little too small and the L size just a little too big for a person of 170-175 cm in height.
EP8 rattling noise when motor is not driving?? Please report on your findings as it’s what stands in the way of me updating my Sworks Levo!
In certain instances there can be a slight sound from the bike but so far it hasn't been anything that we hear regularly or long enough/frequently enough that it would prevent us from buying one if we were in such a position. BUT, as of now, we've only got about 220 miles on the bike and hope to get a bit more on before we report back on our long term review and see if things change.
Awesome!
hey there, did you mean 178cm and 5ft10. im 176cm 5ft 9 so would you recommend a large or med?
Would you go for the coil or air shock ? Cheers
We're very happy with the coil.
@@TheLoamWolf Thanks! Any reason why you would go for the air shock over the coil on this bike? Sorry its been such a long time since I have rode a coil, ordered the Xt build with the coil but the shop said they would happily swap to an air if I changed my mind ... this will be my one bike for everything, cheers
Could you please describe in short Bullit VS The Decoy?
X2 on that one
@@mikeh5034 yes I’m aware of that, however I’m curious how they would rate them against each other?
Very similar spec and numbers. Very different price tag.
This. Please. They seem to have similar geos, and target audience, but one costs about 3k more. Wondering which one they would buy for themselves. @the loam wolf
Yeah, the Decoy Shred is the contender. And way better priced and still have money left over for a second bike or dirt bike
It doesn't matter how good it it , after you add up all the off the shelf components you simply can't justify the cost of the frame with Santacruz name on it
For over 10k that bike better do it all for over 10 years
1 rock kicking up can ruin it on ur first ride lol
Where's the new Nomad ?
I’m wondering that too
I'm waiting for the 780 battery Ep 9 plus turbo triple boost motor.. seriously the technology is changing so fast these bike are obsolete after a few years. I thought the Heckler was the cats ass? Seems like every bike is head and shoulders above the last one. Why buy it when the next one is going to soo much better?
Because you just can't wait!?? haha. There is a very real arms race going on and much like cell phones or laptop computers did in their first 5-7 years of existence. Everyone is learning a lot right now and battery/motor tech is changing very quickly. BUT, if you just buy a bike and have fun, then it doesn't really matter. haha. No need to keep up with the Jones if you're still having fun!
What size should a 5’11” guy get?
Nice music there! Can you help me out on the name? Cheers
Nice bike especially after the motor is derestricted! Lol
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Drew sir which is the best tube angle for mtb hardtail please reply 🙏
That's like asking what the best diameter for a circle is. It depends.
@@TeamCykelhold thanks bro and do u know it?
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Just fit a Lift mtb kit to an enduro bike of your choice...all the heavy mass benefits of e bikes on suspension with no restricted nonsense and warranty to worry about and any frame of your choice as long as the motor fits. These ebikes are a total rip off not being able to upgrade the motors and get replacements after warranty or if you buy used, you have no warranty. No point paying such a premium for a ready built e bike with so many restrictions when for £1000 you can fit a kit with a far more powerful motor and batteries of your choice.
Filming location please?
Columbia Gorge, WA/OR, looks like near Klickitat? Views to die for in the Gorge, easy access.
Trail network is Syncline!
$12,000 for a mountain bike give me a break that's so ridiculous
Annnnddddddd you failed to mention the absurd price tag Santa Cruz are asking for these bikes. If you guys want respect from your audience, balls up and talk about the bad things like the price too.
Thanks for the comment Vicarious. When it comes time to conduct our long term and detailed review, that very well may be a topic we'll address. Since our Dissected Seires wasn't/isn't mean to be a product review but rather an introduction to new products we only get a couple weeks before launch, we focus more on what the product features are, what it has, offers and is intended to do.
On top of that, we've realized that price and absurdity are quite honestly irrelevant for "us passionate mountain bikers" to talk on. If this bike cost $3,000 we would still get a whole list of comments saying, BUDGET?! Must be nice! I've only got $1,800 to spend. Haha. And, even if we do think the price is high, we're 99% sure this bike will be sold out by the end of the week, if it's not already, so the fact you and our team thinks it should be less, for whatever arbitrary reason we may have, the market says otherwise...
Thanks again for writing in though.
How original, complaining about their prices.
@@TheLoamWolf Considering price is a major factor in the potential purchase of goods, you can hardly say you've "dissected" a product if you don't even mention the cost. But by ignoring it, then pontificating about your reasons for ignoring it, you're only fueling the machine even further. It very well may "sell out" because channels like yours and other media outlets gloss over the anti consumer practices of companies like SC and Specialized, and drum up FOMO in the community. You're doing a disservice to everyone, no doubt to ensure you still get your "Zoom" meetings and free test bikes. Priorities right?!
@Brett yeah I don’t mind paying for quality, but I find it odd that a company like YT can provide a bike for half the cost with it being similarly spec’d. SC obviously don’t offer a frame only option, but if you look up component cost, their frame alone would be around like 5k atleast which is crazy.
@@_Vicarious Man, when you're right your right...😘
Let's see...rattletrap, failure prone motor, over geared, over weight, short life drive train, and the top spec bike costs as much as a new KTM 450 motocross racer. Until this stuff is fixed, I'll be sticking with my '18 Nomad 4, and used KTM500, which came in at about the same money as this Emtb...for BOTH!
First lol
SC still trying to polish a turd and put a premium price tag on it, still playing catch up.