Michael Shermer - Can a Person Be a Soul?
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Is a soul required to make a person? If there is no soul, is there no person? Almost all scientists and most philosophers find no need for a soul. Certainly, souls are not known to science. What arguments support a soul? Revelations of religions? But then souls are a matter of faith. Any philosophical theories?
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Michael Brant Shermer is a science writer, historian of science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific and supernatural claims.
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We have bodies. We have eyes, we have ears, and we have tongues to speak.
We do not have souls. We ARE souls.
Correct. Substance dualism is true.
And here i thought we were just humans. The last in the line of upright walking mammals. A social but tribalistic species of omnivores. Where the only real threat to our species is each other. Hmmm !
Souls just don't seem to fit in there anywhere.
When did we pick up this..soul ?
I certainly know a few aresouls
@Raiddd__ - I lean towards metaphysical idealism. It just seems like the most parsimonious solution to the Hard Problem of Consciousness.
IMHO, the existence of conscious experience is just _obviously_ a logical impossibility under (standard) materialism/physicalism. And I was a hard core physicalist until I was like 35, which is when the Hard Problem just kind of struck me out of the blue like a lightning bolt one day. It wasn't like a mystical experience or anything, just a moment of realization.
Anyway, I could see something akin to substance dualism being true within the larger framework of idealism. 🤔
@@BugRib
For consciousness being impossible under standard materialism. It seems to be pretty common in our materialistic reality. Or are you saying that only human levels of consciousness count ?
Richard Swinburne would annihilate this guy💀
@SamoaVsEverybody814 liking ur own comment is crazy tho.
My identity is the sum of my memories? Maybe Micheal Shermer should leave philosophy to actual philosophers, and himself to the history of science 💀
"Can a Person be a Soul?"
Michael Shermer just revised the Webster Dictionary to screw up the meaning of a person and the soul ...
... wow, the things that Godless Materialists over-reach just to maintain their addiction to sense of NO ACCOUNTABILITY just a slave to natural laws....
..and Robert, instead of asking tough questions such as "what natural law drives physical matter to choose to believe in God so to kneel and pray?" , he just went along with whatever this lost man blather, consenting more on his erroneous conscience...sigh..
..of course, birds of Godless feathers fly together...how sad..
If Merriam-Webster is the ultimate authority on philosophy, we’re in trouble…
Shermer's comparison of a car to a person is ludicrous.
Taking such a position means he is responsible to explain why destroying a car is not tantamount to murder.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@iwannaseenow1 You're projecting.
Wow less the five comments so far!?
Last time I was this early, it was still "only two weeks to flatten muh curve."
They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about the Soul. Say, “Its nature is known only to my Lord, and you ˹O humanity˺ have been given but little knowledge.”
Quran 17:85
The medium of the Soul is unknown to us just like the 11th dimension or Dark Energy are truths we cant see.
Matthew 7:15 - 7:20 states
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. *Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.*
You believe in the false prophet Muhammad who:
1. falsely claimed the Jews worship Ezra the Scribe as the Son of Allah. And, until the last day/day of resurrection.(Quran 9:30, Sahih Muslim 1.352)
2. falsely described Christians as believing in a Trinity made up of the Father, Jesus, and Mary. (Quran 5:116, Quran 5:75)
3. falsely claimed that the Gospel and Torah promised that killing and being killed in the name of Allah will lead them to paradise. (Quran 9:111)
A false prophet Muhammad who commands his followers to commit evil deeds against disbelievers of his false message.
Koran 8:12 "Terrorize and be-head= those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran"
Koran 5:33 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam"
Koran 5:51 "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends"
Koran 8:60 " Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels"
Koran 8:65 "The unbelievers are stupid, urge all Muslims to fight them"
Koran 2:191 "s-l-a-y the unbelievers wherever you find them.. such is the recompense of the disbelievers who resist Islam"
Koran 9:5 "When the opportunity arises, s-lay the infidels wherever you find them"
Koran 9:123 "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood"
Koran 22:19 "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies"
Koran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with the infidels, be-head= them when you catch them".
A false prophet who promise a false paradise full of Sins and Corruptions. Blaspheming the Holy character of the true God.
- Muslims will gain virgins having large swelling breasts in paradise. (Quran 78:31-35)
- Large-eyed virgins are waiting for Muslims in paradise (Quran 44:51-59)
- Women’s virginity will be automatically restored after each encounter in paradise (Quran 56:35-36)
- 72 virgins in paradise (Hadith 2562)
- Men can take pleasure at a free -s-e-x- market of men and women in paradise (Al-Hadis Volume 4:34)
Proverbs 6:16-19 states
These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
The false prophet Muhammad definitely ticked all the check boxes.
False prophet Muhammad is in reality the servant of Satan who encourages his followers to commit Sins.
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.
Sahih Muslim 2749 Book 50, Hadith 1
Sahih Muslim 2114 Muhammad states that the bell is the musical instrument of Satan.
In Sunan an-Nasa'i 933, Al-Harith bin Hisham asked the Messenger of Allah:'How does the Revelation come to you?' He said: 'Like the ringing of a bell, and when it departs I remember what he (the Angel) said, and this is the hardest on me.
Tabari 6:108 tells us: "When he came to the words Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other? Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to this people, the words: Those are the high-flying cranes, verily their intercession is accepted with approval. When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from Allah, did not suspect him of error, illusion or mistake."
Ibn Saad 1:237 tells the story this way. "One day he was sitting in their assembly near the Kaaba, and he recited: By the Star when it sets till he reached, Have you thought upon Al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other? Satan made him repeat these two phrases: These idols are high and their intercession is expected. The Apostle of Allah repeated them, and he went on reciting the whole sura and then fell in prostration, and the people also fell in prostration with him."
Could it be that the angel Jibril who Muhammad is getting his revelation from was Satan the great deceiver himself?
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 states:
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Dark energy ? Then there might be light energy ? Or is it not the same .Darkness is the absence of Light , I am so confused.!
@@vevekkothapally you are correct there is Light Energy/Matter from which visible matter (stars, planets, galaxies, asteroids, everything we see) is made and Dark Energy/Matter which cannot be seen. They both have gravitational affect so that is how we can detect them.
The proof of the Soul is a later argument when speaking to an Athiest. The first step is to establish the existence of God. So only discuss God's existence with an Atheist. Once he is over that hurdle then we can talk about Soul, After-Life, Prophets, Angles, Scriptures, Purpose, Hell/Heaven.
Its useless to discuss any of these things before establishing the existence of God.
It would be like explaning higher level dimensions or non-euclidean geometry to someone who doesn't believe in numbers or numerals or simple mathematics.
Start with the basics then build yourself up.
@@halcyon2864 we the words you mentioned are all Created but God is Not Created, Not Material, Not bound by Space-Time, Not bound by physical laws or ANY laws, Not bound by direction of Time etc.
So although i agree with you that the term God has been abused and misused in many ways lets define what i mean by God and see which Scripture or Philosophy adhears to it.
God is the Creator of all creation. He has many beautiful names. He does not enter the creation but rather sends messangers of various types to tell us about Himself and His creation. We can only know Him by way of these messangers. To every nation He has sent messangers. Most of these messages have been lost or tampered. The final message Quran is preserved beacuse it is ment for all times.
The power of God is unimaginble. He creates out of nothing (ex nihelo) and is able to split a singularity into spacetime and galaxies. He has made Seen and Unseen parts of the Creation and we are exploring more and more with the intelligence He has given us.
Lets discuss (not debate please)
@@halcyon2864 go ahead and explain your position, im all ears
@@A.--. I have met some (not many but a few) secularists who believe in a soul.
Please someone turn off this echo🙏🏻😂
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5:09
It is his soul echoing..
Mike keeps getting better and better through all these years…thank you Mike !! Great logic 😊
this is an old video.
Thanks for the update 😇😂😂@@karelvandervelden8819
If we would only translate the word “soul” properly-psyche, the conversation would be complete different and probably much easier to understand.
Eternal life would be a nightmare.
why
@edwardtutman196 hah!
It's so bluntly obvious that it seems unfathomable...
Funny that... ^^
If you have the same Nature ... as every Human Being has.
The God of the Jews & Christains, Bible, Israel & Jerusalem ... give Man a choice .. to follow & obey God and be remade perfect with a Holy nature just like Jesus .. or ... follow & obey your owner nature(Man).
So according to your & your nature .. eternal life would be a nightmare. To each his own.
@abelincoln.2064 the fact that people claim to know what God wants/thinks always amuses me.
@@lolnumere Says a person with freewill & nature ... who freely ignore the Function, Intelligenc, Mind & Informaiton Categories.
The living organism or in the case of humans, we say the living person is the "living soul." (Genesis 2:7 King James Version) For a lifeless organism or person, we say a 'dead soul' ("the soul that sinneth, it shall die." - Ezekiel 18:4 King James version). So there are both living and dead souls. Since all humans are sinners, we all eventually become dead souls. The only immaterial thing possessed by any living organism is the spark of life, "the breath of life," or "spirit of life." (Genesis 7:22) This is the igniting force that makes the transition from dead chemical substance to a living organism. This force originates only with God, the epitome, the ultimate consciousness. When we die, we lose this element of life. We will only repossess it if God reignites it in us, that is if He finds us worthy, and that will be by means of the resurrection. - Psalm 36:9
Consciousness is entangled to the soul 💫
But just us humans ?
@@thomasridley8675 I don't know all the answers and how arrogant would I be to even think I do, all's I know some of my experiences are beyond anything I know, aswell as millions of others, however we are a fraction of the universe aswell as all other living species, the rocks on this planet the earth that breaths and continuously changes, from the smallest particles that seem to know what they are doing forming bonds and creation aswell as dark energy expanding, bending, whether some believe in the big bang or creation, the universe has manifested itself into existence.
Regarding entanglement one of the greatest minds that ever lived coined the phrase “spooky actions at a distance” from this 3d physical world, could the soul or souls be in 5d none physical reality. ? I always like to use this analogy " as snow flakes forms uniquely from its journey, it's still part of the oceans.
@@offtheradarsomewhere.
Yes it would be quite arrogant too believe we have all the answers ( cough, cough..religion). 🙄
It would also be quite arrogant too believe we deserve too have the answers. So we are left with a pile of personal opinions/experiences.
Which is why we shouldn't take them too seriously. The only consistency is in their inconsistencies.
So why does consciousness need to be something more than a necessity for increased functionality ?
Why do we need this soul/consciousness connection to be a real thing ?
@@thomasridley8675 They will always be a difference of opinions as everyone has different perceptions, experiences and beliefs.
Some people's beliefs are what they have been taught, some people's beliefs are through their own unique experiences.
Regarding your question of why consciousness needs a soul or soul needs consciousness, they are one of the same things, consciousness is the soul that guides and connects us and allows us to experience reality, just a different perspective of what others may have.
"does the universe need the electromagnetic field" no different from the question..💫
@@offtheradarsomewhere.
Calling it a difference of opinion is putting it lightly.
I would like to continue this discussion. But an old neck surgery left me with nerve damage that flairs up once in a while. This level of pain is not really conducive to complex arguments.
He has never felt something that is not from this dimension
We don’t have bodies. We are bodies.
Having souls.
The mistake all materialists make is to fail to realise that facts are abstract, and eternal. Your soul is composed of the truth about you, and whereas material things must be recycled because of conservation of energy, and because the transfer of energy involves a subtraction from a and an addition to B. When it comes to facts there is no such subtraction, the transfer involves no loss, no subtraction, and the truth of what was remains true tomorrow and thereafter. It is what will survive of you, even when your body is decomposing.
Thanks for the great talk, Robert and Michael! Maybe Michael could read someone like Bernardo Kastrup - an analytical Idealist, extremely scientific and rigorous thinker - to see existence through another angle! That would lessen his materialism and maybe allow him to see himself as a "soul" in a universe made only of "souls" ! haha! I am still struggling with that view though, as it is almost as scary as materialism! Thanks again! 🌿
Sort of… But Kastrup doesn’t have all the answers, although he asks all the right questions. Shermer is in the materialist tradition. I was reading Max Planck a couple of hours ago: he was much more rigidly physicalist than Shermer, actually much more than the seriously anti-metaphysical Steven Weinberg (and that takes some doing). Shermer asks “How?” and that is the right question. Dualism is not the right answer, nor is Theism. Nevertheless, Physicalism has not answered the Hard Question for physicalists: why is there awareness?) But there is also a hard question for idealists like Kastrup: why brains? Kastrup thinks brains are what our choices look like. That doesn’t work. He should have said that brains are the history which we study in order to make our choices. Our body is a memory of our evolution. The soul is a distinct entity. Mind may conceive matter (we do it all the time); matter cannot conceive mind. Never happened.
I'm sure Michael is well aware of Bernardo's goofy, idealist claims.
This is one of those debates where I find myself warming up to whichever side is NOT making their supposedly triumphant points.
🧐Reported accounts of children recalling other lives lived while occupying other bodies at different points in time🤯 What is consciousness🤔 Does it emerge from a natural cosmic order & self governing or engineered &/or A.I 🤔 🧐3rd,4th or 5th dimension point of origin🤔
It is argued that, all our behaviours are due to neural wiring; and yet that neural wiring could be changed - neuroplasticity. Also, rewiring of neurons constantly happens, if one 'wills' to go against his brains' typical wiring, and take a different path to acheive things; surely "you" are superseding the brain. One question really stucks with me: where does that 'will,' to carry out voluntary actions, comes from? If it is dependant entirely on brain, then how is to so, that it can go against those phenomenons, which are entirely dependant on brain e.g anxiety, thoughts etc.
When some one says, show me, where is that non-physical-mind, or non physical mechanism- its hard to show non physical.
"You" are a human being, not a brain. Your voluntary actions are not explained by neural wiring, but by (among other things) your reasons and desires, beliefs and motives, customs and habits, etc.
@@legron121 I was refering to biological landscape of our behaviours, highlighting, that certain phenomenons related to us (e.g, will) goes beyond the scope of neuro-biological explanation, unless one wants to get into circular reasoning - brain generates the will, to follow the will.
I am not sure, we are disagreeing with each other, as you are highlighting 'motives' to inspire our 'will'; however, I am discussing 'physiology' of that 'will. I agree on the 'motives' with you.
@@sarad8645
I agree that our voluntary actions go beyond beyond the scope of neuro-biological explanation. I don't understand why this is an argument for the existence of a non-physical mind or soul.
It is an argument that there are non-physiological explanations of human behaviour, and there are (e.g., rational/teleological explanations, habit-explanations, motive-explanations, and so on). Do you think these kinds of ordinary explanations imply that there is such a thing as an immaterial mind? Why?
@@legron121 All these factors, which inspire us ( non-physical), does our will bridge them to our brain?
@@legron121More than half of your body is not human, say scientists.
Human cells make up only 43% of the body's total cell count. The rest are microscopic colonists.
Prof Rob Knight, from University of California San Diego, told the BBC: "You're more microbe than you are human."
Originally it was thought our cells were outnumbered 10 to one.
"That's been refined much closer to one-to-one, so the current estimate is you're about 43% human if you're counting up all the cells," he says.
"What makes us human is, in my opinion, the combination of our own DNA, plus the DNA of our gut microbes."
But genetically we're even more outgunned.
The human genome - the full set of genetic instructions for a human being - is made up of 20,000 instructions called genes.
But add all the genes in our microbiome together and the figure comes out between two and 20 million microbial genes.
Our perception of the soul comes from a sense of awe rather than the certitude that we're mortal. Awe about life, consciousness, love, ethics, nature, the universe etc...
If it were just a matter of fear of death, we'd be focusing exclusively on that, we'd use all of our time and energy and knowledge to fend off death but religion is much more than this focus on death. It uses death to help people understand how.to live. Religion is, in fact, about life and love, about being in harmony with life. Religion is about what it means to be human and it shows the best way to be so. It is a travel guide for the soul in the present. It points to the soul as a means to understand how we can live beyond our basic material needs and, also how this bigger picture can help us prepare ourselves for a finality of our lives. Souls give meaning to our lives and humanity.
we can feel "awe" for nature and for ourselves, we can love and enjoy life without adding non-physical, eternal, supernatural elements
@@rckflmg94 True but then I suspect that the result is more limited than when it leads to spiritual questions.
Yes. How where it is? Show me prove it. Soul is feeling maybe.
If you have a conscience you also have soul too.
non-sequitur reasoning
The fundamental mistake Shermer continually makes is to limit his imagination to what he can determine with current science and technology. He definitively concludes that there is nothing other than what he can metaphorically speaking, feel, see and touch. He can neither prove nor disprove the possibility of a "soul" and yet he determines it cannot be.. The ego is strong with this one. His dismissive attitude is not only rude but arrogant. I get it. It's his schtick. He makes a lot of money as a contrarian.
He didn't sound dismissive or definitive to me.
@LifesInsight he doesn't seem very open to knowing anything except for his own baseless assertions
"The ego... rude ... arrogant" Not in the least. It's comical and pathetic that people who believe in spirituality must take personal shots and make psychological accusations instead of simply sharing some reliable evidence. 😂
@@extract8058 the burden of proof is not on him. Those who claim in the existence of non-material souls must demonstrate some valid, reliable evidence or admit they are only hypothesizing and nothing more.
The biblical "soul" was the living being. "God" breathed into the man he formed from the dust and the man became a living soul.
Gandalf, "I threw down my enemy, and he fell from the high place and broke the mountainside where he smote it in his ruin."
Your point?
Does your biblical god came on Earth ate food and answered nature's call on Earth?
Did your biblical god demanded human blood and manslaughter for mercy, forgiveness and salvation ?
Again I ask, this time to Michael Shermer, what do you know that hasn't come to you through your conscience experience? The answer: nothing. Therefore, how do you know that anything besides your conscious experience exists? Thus, any further speculation about reality is just that, and your materialism is no more valid than my spiritual answer.
Cool experience. Being an awareness not of your body is, ‘as a matter of experience’, quite true, our whole world exists as represented in our awareness. That is experienced by meditators, through drugs, illness, etc. But it doesn’t follow that it can then exist ‘without’ a body/brain. That’s a huge leap that so far has no substance.
apparently, many people in the comments and around the world cannot accept their physical mortality and fragility.
Excellent interviewing skills, as the host repeats/reframes back to Mr. Shermer what he hears his position to be, to gain clarity for himself and viewers, while validating for the guest that he's being listened to. Would that political debates went this way!
well, that's because the interviewer is a highly intelligent person, which in not the case with politicians, unfortunately
true that!@@JohnDoe-vp9ey
I am not my body. It doesn't matter what I believe and you don't have to worry about it. We transcend once this experience ends. Everyone does. Maybe all life forms. Religions get some parts of this right. There are things we will never know until this time period ends. Or there is nothing. We'll find out or we won't.
Well there you go. Nobody could possibly argue with that since you've covered all the bases. I'm gonna give that a big thumbs up. 👍
another baseless claim. Thousands of years of religious/spiritual claims add up to exactly zilch 0.
because you refuse to think it possible, you have thereby made your choice not to believe it possible there is more than what you can simply see,
Robert is afraid of death.
@SamoaVsEverybody814 have you been terrified before you were born?
Most people are
@@StellardroneMusicwhat does that even mean? Did I like sight before I could see? Do I love burgers before I ate? Am I afraid of pain before I could feel? It seems like we would need to be alive to make any of these points.
If you are Christian then you must be afraid of death as well.
At 2:50 a much younger looking Michael Shermer suggests that all this talk about soul "has all the earmarks of wishful thinking on it." Speaking for myself, no afterlife would be a blessing, who wants to hazard a return to *this* kind of world? But I digress. My own perspective is that the *nonlocal self* can provide the vehicle for reincarnation.
Don't get too excited though, it won't be Michael Shermer returning as Michael Shermer in another part of the cosmos. It will be a rebirth of his same sense of self, the "I am", but into an entirely different body, culture, language and maybe even sex... not unlike how our selves remanifest in dreams. Can I prove it? Of course not, but one can argue the point, with examples from dream states and contemplating the "where I came from" as suggested in our earliest memories. Can Shermer disprove it? No, and he might passionately object. The conjecture is, however, unfalsifiable. Nonetheless, the idea is not new, and Venerable Dr Yifa alludes to how this might work, in terms of karma, in our CTT interview of 9 days ago.
I find the nonlocality of self argument, favoring reincarnation, compelling for a number of reasons. In the first instance, it fits with the phenomenology of innocence at the time of birth, for all creatures, not just humans - we will reincarnate with the exact same innocence that we entered this world. Secondly, it fits with Einstein's relativity theory and the constraints (c) on the speed of transfer of information. Thirdly, with nonlocality, there's no need to account for the nonsensical phenomenology of a soul floating through space. Fourthly, see the CTT interview of 9 days ago, with Venerable Dr Yifa, on the nature of evil, morality, suffering, etc, it all fits perfectly. And so on.
I thus conclude, unfortunately, that we will be reborn. Worse, there is no get-out-of-jail-free card - we will have to bear the consequences of the choices we make in this life in the karma in which our self will re-manifest. No God, no fairies, no soul, no angel-dust required. While I'm agnostic on the god question (the question does not interest me), this approach does not rule out God, for those who insist.
Shermer's argument that other species aren't aware that they will die is that he doesn't know any chimps that are worried about death?
Idk if arguing from induction is our only option here, but if it is...how many chimps does Michael Shermer know, and how well does he know them?
this discussion isn't about chimps. You seemed to have been distracted by an irrelevant detail.
Animals are souls to.
Shermer ask, why must there be a nonphysical substance. Answer: because our external senses can give us any information on what it is like to be human because that is an internal , subjective, truth and not an objective truth.
Truth is that which is realized to be true, but our inert physical body is not that which truth flows from because truth is the property of the self alone.
The inner internal small organs, also called the soul, uses breath generated by movement to enhance your feel of peace, which started with our mind.
Somehow they didn't cover that in biology class. 🤔
There is no need to believe the soul or no soul. See for yourself if you can discover. But also there is no proof that there is no soul?
I wonder if Mr. Shermer loves his wife? If so, is that only a material process of some sort?
Of course not - loving someone is not a process.
In some ways, yes. Damage to the frontal lobes can cause severe deficits in empathy, compassion, and emotional processing.
I'd shocked to find there is any woman wanting to marry this clown 😂
We can create a 'soul' - a soul is just a backup drive for experiences.
Our imagination is the seed of God in all of us if you flip your imagination inside out it goes on forever and every direction and we're all one in that place in your mind it's black in your imagination until you create something You're creating from the black and it's not empty it's completely full... What do y'all think lol
If I understand some , the Hindu idea is we, all transform to a single indenty, perhaps a Taoist creative force that is unaware of itself or all of us as the western view sees it . I lean to a multiverse, and this has the correct parameters, but I agree common sense says once memories are no longer being made, we are dead but new research is showing at I think NYU may be quiet some period of time ....
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Guys doesnt know nothing about soul though philosophy or neurosience. What is soul? When he responses this question he show this with several inconsistency though neurosience or philosophy proceendings. Rambling
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Hebrews 11:1-3)
The transcendental constants e, π and φ are important universal constants that defined our universe. Many of the fundamental laws of physics and other sciences rely over and over again on these critical mathematical constants. These numbers are encoded through Gematria that were introduced from approx 5th to 8th century BC, by which the letters of ancient alphabets had assigned a numerical value, and so every letter, word or phrase written in Hebrew or in Greek, the languages used to write, respectively, the Old and the New Testament of the Bible, have a numerical value associated to them. The numerical values of the Hebrew and Greek letters are no secret.And, they have been around for over 2000 years.
Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.(Daniel 5:25). Meaning numbered, numbered, weighed, divided.
π is encoded in Genesis 1:1, the very first verse of the Bible and of the Old Testament (Torah/Tanak) written in Hebrew.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃ (Genesis 1:1)
From the Hebrew alphanumeric code introduced around the 8th century BCE, And formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (28 * 2.3887 x 10^27) / (7 * 3.0415 x 10^17) = 3.1415...X10^17. it matches the actual value of π until the 3.1415.
π is the number of the circle, of completion, of what is closed and self-contained; as such, it's a good mathematical reference to the concept of a God Creator of all things, and of a Creation that includes everything that was created by God; (John 1:3 Isaiah 40:22)
This was encoded in the bible with a level of precision that was 2000 years ahead of Indian astronomer Aryabhata who got π close to about five digits around the 5th century AD.
e is encoded in John 1:1, the first verse of the gospel (John) of the New Testament written in Greek.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(John 1:1)
ἐν ἀρχηι ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (John 1:1)
From the Greek alphanumeric code introduced around the 5th century BCE, And formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (52 * 8.4362 x 10^75)/ (17 * 9.4930 x 10^35) = 2.7183...X10^40. it matches the actual value of e until the 2.7183.
e is the number of the relationship between the big and the small, of the bridge between the infinitesimal and the infinite;
what number could be better associated with the Son, the One who was Sent by the Father, the One who is the only bridge for mankind to the infinite God who created the universe. (John 14:6) The Son who is the living word of God which was made flesh (John 1:14) Whose title is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13)
The Euler's number e was encoded some 1500 years before the human kind first discovered its existence and importance in 1683 by Jacob Bernoulli.
The fine structure constant (α) value can be also derived from the above two key verses by squaring the verse gematria values of Genesis 1:1 with John 1:1.
It is considered the greatest mysteries of physics. Without it, it would be impossible to form even simple structures like atoms, molecules, planets, or stars.
Given that Squaring is the best way to express the energy of a moving object in physics, Verse gematria = Sum of all letter values. (Genesis 1:1 = 2701 & John 1:1 = 3627)
you would get the fine structure constant (α) derived as 27013627^2 =0.00729736..e17. Given that the current approx α value recommended is currently 0.00729735.
In fact, it was only in 1916 that this magic number was first introduced by Arnold Sommerfeld.
Furthermore, there is a pattern in the verse Gematria of Genesis 1:1 to John 1:1 = 2701-3627 = |27|01-36|27|; There are exactly a total of 27 books in the New Testaments which reveal the Messiah/Word of God (Jesus Christ the Son).
John 1:14 states that Jesus Christ is the Word of God which was made flesh and the only begotten of the father. Whose title is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13)
Revelation 22:13 states that Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.
Revelation 13:18 states that the number of the antichrist who will deceive the world in the end days is 666. And, the sum of integers from the beginning of 1 to 36 is exactly 666.
Hence, (27) (01-36) (27) = (Jesus-the Alpha) -> (From the beginning to the end of the anti-christ 666) -> (Jesus-the Omega).
In addition, The Golden Ratio Phi (φ) is encoded in Hebrew 8:5 when God spoke to Moses and reveal to him the pattern in which all things to be made in accordance to.
Hebrew 8:5 states: "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount."
οἵτινες ὑποδείγματι καὶ σκιᾷ λατρεύουσιν τῶν ἐπουρανίων, καθὼς κεχρημάτισται μωϊσῆς μέλλων ἐπιτελεῖν τὴν σκηνήν, ὅρα γάρ, φησίν, ποιήσεις πάντα κατὰ τὸν τύπον τὸν δειχθέντα σοι ἐν τῶ ὄρει· (Hebrew 8:5)
From the Greek alphanumeric code introduced around the 5th century BCE, And the same formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (156 * 2.2252 x 10^235)/ (28 * 7.6621 x 10^74) = 1.6180...X10^161. it matches the actual value of φ until the 1.6180.
The golden ratio (φ) is a pattern which is sometimes called the "divine proportion," because of its frequency in the natural world. For centuries, the golden ratio has fascinated all kinds of people, not just mathematicians. Physicists and biologists have studied it, architects and artists have used it, and worshippers have described it as a divine design. And through the centuries, the golden ratio has continued to amaze its diverse fans, frequently cropping up at unexpected places.
In fact, the golden ratio is the mathematical rule of love... do unto the next as was done unto the previous. All of nature is reflecting and expressing His character. God is Love (1 John 4:8)
Now, let's go to the simple common sense example: the smallest protein we know has 25 amino acids. The smaller and more simple proteins used as building blocks for the cell life and necessary to build DNA, from 50 to 100 amino acids as a minimum, and even thousands of amino acids in many cases. But let's consider a simple typical protein with some 50 amino acids. To think that this molecule could be the product of chance, of a coincidence, requires to accept that the 50 amino acids have been combined, in the right way and in the right order, by chance, by accident, by coincidence. At first glance it doesn't look impossible if we have millions of years to test combinations, right? This is the problem with big numbers, they easily dazzle those who think they have a common sense they lack. The probability of this event, if you computes it (And if you were to do a quick consultation to some biochemist to know the factors he'll have to take in account), even if all the atoms of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and others necessary available in the universe were only used to build amino acids, and even if all these amino acids in the universe would only be trying once and again a possible configuration of 50 steps, without repeating those who had been already checked, from the moment the universe started existing until today, and at a rhythm of one trial for every second for every 50 amino acids, even so, the chance that by coincidence that protein would be formed in the universe after 15 billion years of trial would be less than one in billions. And if we consider a more realistic case, a protein with some 100 amino acids, then the corresponding probability would require universes of universes, and ages of the universe of ages of the universe, purely devoted to try every possible combination, without repeating those already tested, to have less than one chance in a trillion to make this happen for this small molecule.
Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance
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let us then consider this perspective. There are 90,000 possible 5 digit numbers from 1.0000 to 9.9999 that could have occurred from a given equation. The chance that the digit sequence 3.1415 occurs by coincidence is therefore 1/90,000 in Genesis 1:1. The chance that Euler’s number (e) is calculated from the Gospel of John 1:1 by the same equation to 5 correct digits, is also 1/90,000.The probability that both occur by random chance in these textually related verses is thus 1/90,000 x 1/90,000 = 1/ 8,100,000,000. If we add in the probability that the golden ratio could have been calculated up to 5 correct digits in the textually related Hebrew 8:5 with the same equation, you would get the probability increase to more than 1 in 7 trillion chance that this is just a coincidence. Furthermore, we have not even include the probability of the fine structure constant α being derived from combining the verse gematria from the aforementioned Genesis 1:1 & John 1:1. And, that both key verses gematria pattern confirms the AC number in the book of revelation. And, the exact number of new testament books which give us Jesus Christ the Son, the living word of God which was made flesh (The only bridge for our salvation).
He can't tell you anything after death cause that is all you and him until
This was a pretty lame conversation.
Michael Shermer, you lack reasonable perspective.
I have heard the word ”soul” as a term of music. It is used also desciribing ”soulful” things. The concept is near the word ”spirit”.
The most commonly it is used in church and owned to ”evidence” the immortality of human being.
It is production of imagination. We would like to be eternally happy in the centre of the universum as the history of religions shows.
Michael Shermer is right when he reveals the basis to the need to have the concept of human soul.
I think before asking a question about the soul, firstly we need to establish what the soul is. If you refer to the soul as something beyond our physical existence, you can't ask questions about the soul to someone who is already denying everything beyond our physical world. So the person to speak to in this matter is a theologian. I think what Robert doing wrong is, that when he wants to ask these questions to a theologian, he chooses a Christian scholar. Christianity fails to answer such questions since it doesn't claim to be all rational in the first place, (the concept of trinity is a good example). As far as I can tell, what Robert doesn't know is Islam is a much more grounded religion in these matters and is suitable to ask such questions and can be expected to get rational answers. When you say 'religion', there is an underlying assumption that all religions are the same, but as a Muslim, I can say that Islam stands on very different grounds than Christianity does. I can assure you that you will not find Muslim scholars answering such questions by saying "You should feel god, you can't prove it, just believe in it, etc.". If you find a decent Muslim scholar, he will take you seriously and will answer them logically, if god wills.
Not saying he’s wrong but to think we understand everything is a joke as well….he comes across just a little bit cocky to me.
He has no clue really. Stuck in an outmoded materialist paradigm. He needs to read Donald D. Hoffman. A more useful scientific perspective
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Why must there be one more platform besides the physical? - Because there are several things (proper to humans) non-physical by definition such as Free Will, Feelings, Ability to contemplate, to Plan and to Affect the future. These things are viewed as the Human Soul.
And there is one more thing non-physical by definition which "exists" independently of Humans: the Platonic Universe (in particular Mathematics).
Vulgar materialists believe that the above-mentioned things are merely illusions being properties of the physical world and obeying the laws of physics. According to them, humans do not have souls - because materialists cannot verify or detect it by physical methods. Well, it's impossible to verify and detect the existence of ... Of the physical world too! Solipsism claims that the entire stream of our perception is a dream having nothing to do with some inaccessible reality. And solipsism too cannot be verified in principle...
Thank you it was good topic good point good view without conversations like this can't find or figger yet to me soul or spirit like a the particles eliments keeps us alive survive mode experience knowledge skills that we collect today for tomorrow is what's needed looks like it's upgrade by planet earth dosent know yet what is the fact or efect of human's creation if we get total just human's catogrys some tipe very smart some midium some low reasons I don't know actually we don't view this point without English we know it's a standard for good meaningful life other than climate change whether change senser of planet earth say
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Religion: "Trust me bro"
@SamoaVsEverybody814 Translation: "I have no evidence."
Atheism: "trust me BRO"
Translation: "not only do I have no evidence but I also assumed your gender, thereby contradicting my own politically correct dogma."
@SamoaVsEverybody814 "Atheism isn't a dogma. Its a lack thereof" OK so it's no longer a "lack of belief in deities" now it's a "lack of dogma". Wow you lacktheist clowns change definitions more often than parents change their baby's diapers 😅
@SamoaVsEverybody814 "Atheism isn't a dogma. Its a lack thereof" OK so it's no longer a "lack of belief in deities" now it's a "lack of dogma". Wow you lacktheist clowns switch definitions faster than the alphabet community switches genders 😂
@SamoaVsEverybody814 "Atheism isn't a dogma. Its a lack thereof" OK so it's no longer a "lack of belief in deities" now it's a "lack of dogma". Wow you secularist klowns switch definitions faster than the alphabet community switches genders 😂
The only thing that you need to be concerned with pertaining to the soul is clearly defined in Ezekiel 18.
The soul is not immortal . Death is real and final.
The only way to spiritually die is to be removed
From the mind of god.
Souls: *exist*
Materialists: *triggered*
Would you understand if people didn't just take your assertion as fact?
Empty assertions.
[A] I don't trust theologians. They're only human. [B] Anyone with interest in the subject can be an amateur theologian as a hobby. You don't need a PhD. to read up on religions. [C] I consider myself one such hobbyist. [D] Much of the controversy about souls and other such religious terms can be reduced to simple semantics. In other words how precise is the definition ???????? Thank you lieutenant. [E] Watch the clip. Wait for it. ua-cam.com/video/JXfU49A3bo8/v-deo.htmlsi=esh1LP6NsIMNRwTd
So scientists and academics are not "only human" ? What are they then? Worms? 😂
@@xstatic-ow5mz Vermicelli with Alfredo sauce. Also your reading comprehension problem. Where did the " NOT " come from ????? I texted they ARE only human. Smart maybe. But still only human. These days lotsa folks are smart. Or they THINK they are.
I can identify with Michael Shermer's position on these things.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Michael shermer has the least knowledge and understanding on the subject of soul.
He makes perfect sense - you're just offended by his perspective.
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@@k-3402 no I was not offended at all. In fact he seems to talk absolutely logically. But again it's so easy see he has least understanding about the subject of soul. He is way away from the research subject of soul.
@@sujok-acupuncture9246 Where do you do your "research" on the soul? Do you have a laboratory? I'm fascinated by your scientific expertise.
@olphartus5743 can you see gravity. But you name the experience of gravity. Soul is invisible. And some it's experiences can only be sensed and understood . This is the reason that most logical speaking scientists are denying soul. But for your interest I would suggest you to try understanding double slit experiment.
Soul is a profund recognition.
Like an artwork on canvas, first requiring the intellect of the artificer paints the forms onto the canvas, which is the Soul. Without the Intellect of the painter, there can be no forms, without the Canvas(Soul), there can be no manifestation of the forms of the intelligible realities.
Some people may not agree with this, and that's fine. I simply ask: what then is your explication and exposition?
Great men, like Pythagoras, Plato, Plotinus, Iamblicus, Proclus - if you can't refute these men, you don't matter.
عظيم السؤال.. الروح مالها وجود.. تخيلات اطفال يعني
Many animals understand loss and death. It's not exclusive to humans. Don't agree with this guest.
When I am unconscious, my soul doesn't exist.
My teacher states: what makes you think you are that which dies?
Buddha applied retroduction in the Nikayas. Are we that which dies? Are you the presonality, bias, memory, opinion, trama? These things are functions. Are we the function?
I'm siding with the ancients than modern man.
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Shermer nails it. You only have a soul while alive. After death -- nichts, nada, nothing. 😢
When you ask a question in silent in your mind and you receive an answer coming back before you're done asking the question it's your heart it has brain cells in it they've discovered. There's more out there than we're aware of in your mind's eye ask for something more to show you other than what's here in the physical world and when you get notions in your mind and you see it lining up with the physical world around you That's the non-physical intelligence giving you a subtle nudge it has to be subtle otherwise it would be provoking and non-physical won't do anything without your permission and you can give it permission to do what it knows how to do that you don't know how to ask it to do... works good as long as there isn't any resistance followed up in your mind. accepting that these things exist is enough to keep that open lol have fun with this and it'll answer you there is non physical intelligence all around us it's energy electricity
Death is a biological/physical moment. The mind is not biological/physical: that is the Hard Question.
We are now in the 2024th year since Jesus of Nazareth was born.
He died on the cross but rose from His grave on the third day.
He was seen by many of His followers after His death.
He appeared to have a physical body but was not immediately recognized and asked not te be touched.
A psychedelic trip is in order!
"Believing in the existence of the soul is wishful thinking and there is no reason to believe that a person has an immaterial component of consciousness, personality or mind".
At the same time, materialism does not explain even the most basic mechanisms of how the mind arises from the brain, how they relate to each other, as well as what consciousness is, which seems to be connected with both the body and the mind, but is neither one nor the other.
For some reason, and without any proofs materialistic scientists consider all of these to be manifestations of matter, dismiss all other theories... and this somehow is not wishful thinking on their part. Seems like double standards and confirmation bias to me.
I see it the same way. If they don't have answers, they are in no position to critisize an alternative, non-materialistic explanation.
@@PeterS123101 With all their smugness and arrogance, they resemble the bishops of the Catholic Church, who for centuries hindered the development of natural sciences, with the only difference that modern “bishops” of Materialism hinder the development of the humanities, including theories of consciousness.
any physicist could provide possibilities for a soul...quantum entanglement, matter is made of energy, 2nd law of thermodynamics, higher dimensions, etc...there's still so much to be known that how could one simply discount the idea based on a lack of knowledge of energy pattern transfer...when entanglement can occur between galaxies
I also consider the story of the parts of the King's charit or in modern times a car if you pile up all the parts is there a charit or a car or a person , if when in one piece it's a car or you are you still existing when it or you are disassembled is the car still able to drive you around or disassemble me or you are we still able to form new memories or bring add to our fellow person .? Just to rise thought .. provoking questioning....
Yes. Any philosopher would note that this is the Ship of Theseus principle. If an ancient wooden ship has been maintained by replacing rotten timbers over the years, how can we believe that it is still “THE ship”. What if someone had stored all the decaying parts and reassembled them? That, surely, would be the ship?
Identity.
Jesus brought the dead back to life by God's permission.
Self- I exist, and to know that you exist you have to be self-aware that you exist, so to be conscious is to be a self.
He is so certain of his view. No room for doubt
hahaha, he is the opposite of "certain". He is skeptical about all supernatural claims.
Why do some people need a soul to exist ?
One does not need use 'Soul' to express a non physical reality - Light is beyond the senses of man. Illumination of this principle is what man sees and allows him to see.
Stating 'anything non material' means only something that is beyond the senses of man.
Who cares bruh!