Michael Shermer | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 6
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Does God exist? Do societies thrive under a religious influence? Ben Shapiro and noted atheist Michael Shermer debate Christianity's role in cultural advancement on this episode of The Sunday Special!
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Ben could be interviewing a resurrected Jesus and cut him off mid-sentence to plug an ad for tooth brush heads. There has to be a better way
Steven Pampel I love this comment
The bills must be paid and would you rather have Ben shill for 30 seconds or watch some inane midroll ad that cuts into the actual video?
My first laugh for the day. Thank you :D
With increased popularity results in more income... Meaning; that eventually Ben could decide to eliminate some ads or increase his income. I'll bet he'd rather take the dollar bills over keeping a level income. I would probably do the same, but might be nice and considerate and know when not to interrupt a very good conversation to make a few extra dollars.
"We're gonna talk more about the apocalypse, in just a second, but first.. we need to talk about life insurance.."..... (Jesus smirks at the camera)
I'm glad Ben had an atheist on and actually had a conversation. As an atheist conservative, yes we exist and there are more of us than you'd think, this is the kind of conversation that needs to happen more often, not the crap that Knowles puts out. This is why I support and respect Ben.
Account Inactive Agreed. Ben also understands that if an idea is good and works, then it is useless to just quote what happens to be in the bible. He prefers to give reasons and explanations on why the idea is good outside of merely quoting the bible, regardless of people's religious or non-religious beliefs.
Ryan Bane
Left is more scientific minded and logical?
Account Inactive And as a normal Christian conservative, we don't want you, you only damage our cause.
I personally am a agnostic atheist like Shermer,but I guess you can say that I am a left leaning libertarian also...my question is how does a atheist conservative damage your cause?
Curiosity Unleashed Because part of the conservative agenda is God-oriented, and I find that nearly all atheist conservatives I know are very anti-God and certainly not pro-God. The conservative movement doesn't need that in the mix. And by the way, if you're left leaning you're not a libertarian.
This was great. Hearing two people work through these big issues and do it in a way that you can follow, and with this level of civility is so refreshing.
Please get Pinker on. You bring him up all the time when debating this subject and I'm sure it would be an amazing conversation. Pinker is extremely well read in the areas he writes about and I would be interested in his response about omitting the French Revolution as you pointed out.
Steven Pampel I'm sure Pinker will find his way here soon. Peterson had him on about a month ago and it was pure gold.
Ben could easily just prerecord the ads. I don't think there's any real reason for interrupting the guests like that.
LawofCinema right? At least have better timing. But overall, even if done well, they still disrupt the flow of the conversation. But is pre-recorded the answer?
I'm pretty sure the advertisers pay more for live reads vs adverts added in post
LawofCinema It was a tactical error interrupting Schermer like that. You have to remember that Ben is used to monologuing for an hour and seldom has guests. He'll get better at plugging the ads in.
Imagine if the product was something you wanted....Ben's just doing his best,this all seem's fickle.A great interview was had,try to focus on that.
It appears that at minimum the zeel ad was prerecorded and spliced in at about 17:05. The audio changes most noticeably and Ben's camera angle changes.
It's nice to hear a debate with out the yelling, crying, and safe spaces.
David Lammers but those are more fun 😂
Why does Ben do those live reads for his sponsors during the interview, you ask? Because the unfolding of the universe is predetermined, and free will is an illusion. As it happens, Ben literally has no choice but to interject the ads, to the frustration of all.
That's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that we can stop him from doing this if we complain loudly enough about how tasteless and superficial it makes his show look.
Ryan Ballantyne - because they pay him gobs of money to do so.
@One Two Three
You are just assuming that free-will exists. A Ben Shapiro will do what a Ben Shapiro will do at such times, and in such circumstances, because determinism is true. Don't try to escape reality!
That was a good laugh, thanks!
I have no problem monetizing these videos, but it would feel a lot less tacky if instead of interrupting the guest you’d add the advertisements later.
He probably doesnt get as much ad revenue if he adds them in at the end.
Hasn't heard of the f/f feature
There’s nothing tacky about honest American advertising! Get over your elitist self! Good on Ben for making a dollar!
Yeah, he could easily record them separate from the interview and then insert them later.
Yeah, it's tacky. Really, really tacky.
Elitist? Alright, my man, you have a good day...
I thought the UA-cam ads were annoying UNTIL I STARTED WATCHING BEN SHAPIRO
His answer about the French Revolution should've been:
"That shows why reason without empirical evidence is useless. People often think they're being rational but are completely mistaken. We need to try to be rational whilst constantly testing our results against reality. That's what the French Revolution and Marxists both failed to do. They were so convinced they were right that they had no qualms about taking over a society and enforcing their beliefs from the top-down. By contrast, a liberal democracy is about testing things before you put them into widescale effect. The state system in the US does exactly that. It's a series of different experiments to see what works best."
What? How is telling people to test things empirically "analytical philosophy". That's the exact opposite of analytic.
Ben "what is the origins of the universe?"
Shermer "I know let me tell you...."
Ben "Before you tell me, shout out to my sponsor, waterproof adult diapers with cashmere lining"
Derek L. Lol!
I know this seemingly is a totally random remark, but Mr. Shermer is remarkably without egotism. Such a pleasant person. Quite the example of how we should strive to interact with one another. I’m not implying that Ben isn’t, but to be honest , I’m guessing it’s not easy for someone so intelligent to be so humble.
You can’t ask a question and then do a commercial. Pre recorded ads would sell just as many sheets. It looks unprofessional and just strange. Kinda ruins an amazing interview......
The advertisers pay more for these. Also, I doubt it is a surprise to any of his guests since he does them in every one of his daily shows and his Sunday Specials.
I guess at the end of the day the guests are just more reasonable than the average UA-cam commentor. I suppose in part that's why they're there and we're here.
Neal Orr You’re comment is about as pretentious as it gets. Also Joe Rogan mentioned on his podcast how much it ruined the flow of his conversation. You can see the guests trying to gather and hold onto a thought for 2 minutes. It ruins the listening dynamic as well. It’s just strange and unprofessional.
With all do respect, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
How much does Ben get paid for doing them this way. How much would he get paid for pre-recorded ones?
Neal Orr No Joe Rogan doesn’t know shit about building and monetizing a popular podcast or interview. He wouldn’t know anything about it.
I like this argument. It makes a lot of sense. Is the argument, because Joe Rogan makes a lot of money, he knows the best way to monetize his product.
Just out of curiousity, did you make type out this argument using an International Business Machine?
This is great. I'm really excited by this, two people who disagree on different things having a civil conversation. This is why free speech is important, this is why we need to keep talking to each other.
This is how you respectively win an an argument/ discussion without attacking your opposition. Win for Ben
It's interesting to hear two non christians talking about Christian ideas. It gives a lot of insight into how the rest of the intellectual world veiws us and how we can improve the way we teach Christian ideas.
Too bad there aren't very many intellectually literate Christians to discuss it
@@onetwothree4148 I'd wager there are more than you think. Here's just a few people whose work might interest you: Alvin Plantinga, Peter van Inwagen, Tim Keller, James Tour, Rosalind Picard, John Lennox, Don Page, Richard Swinburne, Henry F. Shaefer, Nicolas Wolterstorff, NT Wright, Andrew Loke, Richard Bauckham, Ian Hutchinson, William Lane Craig, John Frame, K. Scott Oliphint, James F. Anderson, Elaine Ecklund, Hugh Ross, Joshua Swamidass, Fuz Rana.
Tyler Pedersen There was also Freeman Dyson, but he passed away last year 😞
I really like this guy. As a theist, we fundamentally disagree, but I see no condescending attitude against theism, and his thoughts are articulated well enough to give me cause to reevaluate what I think as truth. I greatly appreciate that.
That said, I hope they both find Jesus ;)
Carlos Rodriguez You are exactly the kind of Christian I enjoy having conversations with as a (conservative) atheist. Thank you for being you ❤️
As an agnostic it’s nice to see an atheist and a theist getting along☺️ I only wish others can get along like the three of us
@@willagerfairzack8130 Welp, now I'm an atheist...
@@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm Oh, well that's okay. As long as you aren't a militant atheist like Dawkins I'm okay with your philosophy/beliefs. America was made to be a country where people can believe whatever they wish, since the founding fathers escaped Christian persecution from England (they were also Deists). If I can ask what made you an atheist?
So glad he is now pre-recording the ads. So much better.
Best episode yet. Found that conversation really productive and great vibes, makes me so happy you guys talking as mates and not enemies
I save these vids for Monday morning early shifts. I've never thought myself an intellectual. But these vids legitimately feel like they're instigating critical thought.
I've noticed an improvement in my own consistency and stances on religion and politics.
I would love if a Christian theologian/philosopher and Ben could have a discussion about Jesus as the messiah and the idea of God into flesh and the logos etc. Thatd be great, I'm thinking of someone like William Lane Craig
William lane Craig would be great or Jon lennox. That'd be rad!
William Lane Craig has no idea on theology with his "Mere Christianity"-garbage. Get somebody like James White.
GkarLondo that's a joke, right? WLC is probably the most formidable theologian there is. That's why he can duel with the likes of Krauss and Hitchens to a virtual standstill... and absolutely wipe the floor with Harris.
Theist or not, smears are silly.
Or Ravi Zacharias or Dr Brown. (:
Dr Michael brown would be perfect because he knows the Hebrew
But WLC is good as well
Big fan of Michael Shermer. I love how he easily slaps down people who believe aliens have visited Earth. And this was a great conversation and I hope to see more between these two.
I vote we make this a two hour show! I feel these discussions so educational and yet only scratching the surface! I could listen to these discussions all day!
I only looked at this because it was cited in another video on Ben's views on Jesus. I thought I would skip through but I watched it end to end, this was very fascinating and enlightening
Everytime i hear shapiro i check playback speed thinking i accidentally put it at like x2 lol.
Shapiro on speed....
imagine it......
I always listen to him on 2x speed. You get used to it
Grand Admiral Thrawn Teach me your ways.
Shia can teach you ;) ua-cam.com/video/ZXsQAXx_ao0/v-deo.html
John Jackson thrawns just a pawn that makes me yawn and move like obi wan
This is probably the best Sunday special in my opinion. I don't understand why this video does not have more views.
I’m loving these conversations.
Humans need more than "community." We have a need for appreciating awe and for gratitude.
Ben please interview Bill Burr!!
I love that prick
I love these conversations Ben! They're so cosy, engaging, and informative. I love the relaxed, pleasant discussion of the bigger ideas, and possible meanings of life.
As an interviewee I think the way Ben does his ads is very useful. He sets up the next portion of the discussion and then gives the interviewee time to collect and organize their thoughts while he runs an ad. I think it positively contributes to the quality of the discussion.
Just enjoyed the interview. Shermer makes some great points about atheism and the counter arguments by Ben were compelling as well. I just loved the fact that Shermer brought in grade 11 physics to explain uncertainty and freedom of choice. Well done Ben. Look forward to these.
Science At Its Best
Name a good point he made about atheism.
Thesirevn So my top 4 arguments
4) 7:52
3)52:10
2) 20:00
And my favourite
1) 30:23. Ben makes a good case as well.
Thesirevn So number 1- The fact that if you are left born in the wild without any religion, morality would still exist even without religion being taught to you because what is right and wrong may look subjective but in the above cited example it doesn't look that way.
2) Atheists are not immoral.
They are as likely to be charitable and empathetic as their religious counterparts , even if they do seem pessimistic.
3) When you talk about enlightenment and why it happened so late, the fact that science caused industrial revolution and deep involvement in science converted many people to rational human beings is why there was no enlightenment before. (Ben's counter is good too.)
As well as the concept of the universe being deterministic as this is evident in cause and effect principle studied throughout history studied by scientists.
These are timestamps. Can you unpack or explain why these are places where good points are made?
Of all the outspoken mainstream atheist types, Schermer is my favorite. He isn't afraid to plant his foot, but he also doesn't assert his certainty a la Krauss. Good example would be tge IQ2 debate which I believe Schermer and Krauss debated D'Souza and Hutchinson. Schermer makes great points while still engaging in a conversation. Shapiro is the same way on the reverse side of the coin, so there's no surprise that that convo was fantastic. Well done.
6:32 the Intellectual Dark Web = those on the Internet who believe in and practice free speech, dialogue with both those who agree AND disagree, and civility in discourse.
Predestination/free will was difficult for me until I wrapped my head around the fact that God exists outside of space and time. You have the free will to make decisions, but God in His existence outside of time already knows the outcome of those decisions. So both exist in parallel states. God didn’t determine your decisions, He simply knows the answer before you do. If you give up and go the other direction right now, you’ve made that choice.
Great talk Ben.
Ben won me over with this discussion. Consider this old atheist subscribed :)
Classic Liberalism is conservatism before the realization of the impact of culture. That was my evolution from classic liberal to conservative, at least.
This was so refreshing to hear a productive conversation between 2 people who have differing worldviews. I can't stand debates/discussions when emotions run high and people argue and cut the other person off (Krauss). Nice job Shermer and Shapiro. This was a great conversation.
Happy Father's Day Ben!
Happy Father's Day everyone!!! I hope you all have a blessed day.
Ben, I'd love to hear you talk with Bishop Robert Barron
Great conversation!
Should get Dr. Ravi zacharias
Just such a breath of fresh air! Thank you both for being dogmatic in your beliefs and yet being even more dogmatic about hearing each other and giving consideration to what is normally a very divisive topic.
Buddy, you gotta edit the ads in after
Speaking of editing, you do know that there's an edit option for comments, right?
With that said; Buddy, you gotta edit your comments, not post twice.
I was not annoyed by those advertisements at all. I went out and bought those products immediately. I even paused the interview to do so.
You should get Sam Harris on here!
Peter Hitchens would destroy sam harrs
Don't atheism have any other thinkers? It's like they prop him around as if he was the pinnacle of reason and sophisticated philosophy. He really isn't.
Subhan Amjad REMATCH OF THE CENTURY!!!
Contrary to what Mr. Shermer thinks an atheist is - simply someone who doesn't believe in a god - I can assure him that I immediately know quite a bit about what he does believe, much the same way I can know quite a bit about someone who belongs to a religious tradition. In that sense, atheism is also a religious faith in that it determines a lot (sets the boundaries) about what he believes about where he came from, why he is here, and the meaning and purpose of life.
Also to say that as an atheist he believes in reason and science is to imply that he thinks religious believers don't. They are not mutually exclusive and believers and atheists play in the same playground, the only difference being that the atheist refuses to leave the sandbox and the believer explores and learns from the entire playground.
Eddie Bravo next
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Conversations like this make my internet bill worthwhile. Disagreements with civility and time to explain oneself -- there is hope for humanity!
I just love how Ben's logic behind defending religion makes so much sense, it's like atheism takes advantage of a system that allowed it to exist without acknowledging the benefits that so many people get from it :)
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do."
- Stephen Roberts
Atheism has existed for as long as people have claimed gods exist and believers have found the notion to be fishy. It's telling when you say "allowed it to exist" - it really telegraphs the authoritarianism.
What a fantastic, reasoned, respectful conversation. As a Conservative atheist, I really appreciated both points of view here. All too often we paint people in a labeled box of one kind or another - an atheist must be a leftist, or to be a Conservative one must be a follower of JC. This shows that people of principle can arrive there from different places, and that action speaks louder than belief. Well done, Ben. Thank you.
I love the videos when you talk to athiests Ben, they are REALLY interesting and cool.
Fantastic game of thought tennis. A nice casual match. Well done.
William lane craig said he would do a Sunday special with you ben. pleeeeease do!! Your both such charismatic and intellectually brilliant individuals.
I would love this so much
People, Craig has no serious knowledge on debating a Jew. Get people that know Judaism. Darrell Bock or Michael Brown.
Why would you need a special kind of knowledge to debate theology, history, and science with a Jew more so than you would need a special knowledge to debate those things with individuals of any other religious background?
When/where did Craig say this?
onewaylife4all on his Twitter
I think this series is one of the most refreshing formats to come about in a long time.
I agree the sponsor plugs interrupt the flow of the conversation, but I think the guest have taken it in good form and it will evolve. I could see this being televised down the road.
For me, in this polarized environment we’re living in right now, we have to have these conversations just to say look this is how grown ups behave.
Every person should read “The Sociopath Next Door” for a more accurate look at human orientation.
nor an innate starting place.
Was required reading in college
Can you do this show every day? This is even better than TBSS
Another quality guest
This is a terrific, respectful discussion, and I couldn't help but be surprised how much these two great individuals have common ground. It is certainly beneficial to step out of your echo chamber, and conversations like these definitely support that fact.
William lane craig would be a nice guest or Dr. michael brown.
Knocking it out of the park with this guest list.
It says I'm watching it at normal speed but....
What do you mean by that? Are they speaking too slowly for you?
John Anthony It's Ben Shapiro, not Shatner or Walken lol
Absolutely brilliant discussion, thanks Ben and Micheal
best guest so far!
Peter Westenthaler I still fell Peterson was his best, then Schermer and Rogan. All three were amazing convos.
Hissane lol, well played
Peter Westenthaler I agree. Shermer is an amazing guy. I loved the conversations between Shermer and Rogan also.
This was a very excellent discussion.
Get william lane craig on
It seems alot of people are complaining about the ads. I listen to a podcast where the audience actually looks forward to the ads because the hosts do it in such an entertaining and funny way rather than just reciting a few boring lines. It seems as though that type of advertising could be beneficial here.
Very interesting show. Thanks Ben, I enjoyed this.
Ben, i recommend you have Dr. Michael Heiser as a guest. He is a ancient Semitic biblical scholar
I liked this video a lot. I think that it is very important to find a way for atheists and religious people to find a common way forward in society, and this conversation is how we trail-blaze that path. Keep up the respectful dialogue guys!
Christian scholars read Hebrew too.
James
Yes.
Christian scholars! What the fuck does that mean?
Alex Poly
Yeah, dumb question. They are people that are scholars in various fields that are Christian.
Like Santa Claus scholars. Cool, I get it.
Alex, nobody is a Santa Scholar and nobody is a scholar because they are an atheist either. The issue is you are being a derpy atheist that thinks that nobody intelligent was a Christian. But that is because you are shallow. Many intelligent scholars are Christians. You may be butthurt about it but that is just how it is. Santa isn't on the same metaphysical par as God. So, you are ignorant of 4,000 years of debate. So, remove you head from your ass if you want a serious conversation.
In the same way I mute television ads, I mute Ben's jabber-ads. smiles.
now this is exactly the kind of civil and relaxed conversation on religion and atheism i love. instead of those cringing conversation where both sides are utilizing ad hominem
Please interview Judge Andrew Napolitano!!
This has been a great series of interviews. Ben, I hope these continue, thank you.
Get Jason Whitlock!
This might have been the best one yet!! Thank you guy's!
I’m a theist, but I have to admit I like Shermer, seems like a good guy, obviously very smart too
Why would being a good person have anything to do with being a theist or an atheist? I'm an atheist, I still like Ben. Being a good person has no correlation with being religious...
Conor Corrigan I think you might have misinterpreted what I said.
Ben
General theism doesn't work. You need a theology in order for your God to answer any theological issues.
Conor Corrigan Being a good person has no correlation with religion? Than what is the purpose of religion? That is exactly one of the main purposes. Ofcourse the more relevant question would be is being a good person related to being christian, because ofcourse all religions aren't the same.
In my estimation being christian is very much related to being a good person. Can an atheist be a good person? Absolutely. But does out of the absence of christianity in a big set of people or a civilization emerge the same amount of good people when there is no moral authority? I'd say no.
Thesirevn yeah I know, I’m Christian- Roman Catholic to be specific
Ben, you make my head hurt. In a good way, but it really hurts. I'm not a native english speaker and after listening for half an hour of you going full speed through your thoughts you have left me energyless. A great interview though, I've learnt a great deal from it ;)
I think Ben actually does low-key think he might be the messiah :D
HAHA
“Believer and the knower” wow he always amazes me.
They seem to be hungry for the truth only YESHUA can provide.
James Harn has some idea that an invisible sky man exists! And you want to call us insane?
Really great episode. A breath of fresh air.
This should be interesting!
Very good interview! Btw have you thought about having William Lane Craig on your show? Please do it would be such a great match up between two very deep thinkers!
One of these guy's should bring in and chat with peter hitchens. Would just be a fun listen, but maybe he's(Peter) just not interested.
I think Peter Hitchens and Ben Shapiro would be legendary, but I suspect he may not want to bother with the travel. Quite unfortunate considering his legacy
DW's version of "Closer to Truth". I dig it😊
nigel farage
shimon zitter yes please
U have a loicense for this guest recommendation, gov?
Conversation was too fluid, needed more Ads.
I sometimes forget what to buy
I like these interviews, but I find myself always thinking that Ben got this idea from Dave Rubin, like he got the idea for promoting his show with a coffee cup from Crowder. Lol!
Dave Rubin got the idea to interview from plenty other people... He does it very well, true.
Yes, because we all know that Dave Rubin invented the long form interview. ; )
Seriously, though, Rubin's show certainly may have been an inspiration. Regardless of where the idea stemmed from, I'm really enjoying these Sunday Specials. Great line-up so far.
This is one of the most incredible discussions I’ve ever witnessed.
William lane craig
Between determinism and free will, after a decision is made, it can be evaluated and if found wanting we are free to train our mind to reject our original decision and choose a better answer so that through that self-training, the next time the same question arises, we can choose the mew decision. This is the act of learning. So free will and determinism can both be part of our decision making process, though not simultaneously.
William lane craig next!!!
Amos Wollen He might go over the heads of most people.
I would pledge my firstborn in order to get a Shapiro/Peterson/Craig discussion.
Lol love how no one has realised that the sponsored ads ARE pre-recorded. Completely different framing of Ben in the shots. The only interruption to the interview would be Ben saying 'insert ad here'
2:00 to get past initial shill
Brandon Finsterwald ...
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Ben probably forgot to vet the quality of USPS with Dave Rubin.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Cheers for that.
are people seriously being butthurt over the 50 second promotion?
Ben: Tell me about the meaning of life, but first my friends over at Me Undies...
Be it Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, or Ben Shapiro I'd say Micheal Shermer resonates with me the most