Biomechanics of Arm Wrestling (Optimizing Your lifting)

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  • Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
  • In this video, we delve into the intricate world of arm wrestling biomechanics. With the guidance of Coach Ray using Devon Larratt and Alexey Voevoda as example, we explore the physics behind arm wrestling techniques and training. Discover the secrets to gaining the upper hand in arm wrestling through a deeper understanding of biomechanics. Get ready to elevate your arm wrestling game!
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  • @levinelson5285
    @levinelson5285 10 місяців тому +508

    It's funny how everyone cheats Devon Larratt's lift to say they can do more. Yet their form is always worse. Says a lot for how strong Devon Larratt's pronation is.

    • @nonamenxb6694
      @nonamenxb6694 10 місяців тому +27

      Raise your hand ✋️ for people who didn't cheat in the lift

    • @JBtheWARVillain
      @JBtheWARVillain 10 місяців тому +63

      I say let them cheat, that way when they grip with Devon and feel how strong his wrist/hand is then they'll be able to understand why.

    • @bulletproof1581
      @bulletproof1581 10 місяців тому +24

      @@JBtheWARVillain Yeah just let them have the consequence of ego lifting, they will soon learn lol

    • @nonamenxb6694
      @nonamenxb6694 10 місяців тому +2

      It's ok if ur much different on this lift the only thing needs is to replicate the training u do on center of table for example u do it like voevoda does it means ur training for high hook
      If u do it like devon does u do it like kings move or open toproll it doesn't matter only matters is when you replicate ur technique in table while ur training get it?

    • @romanreckless8263
      @romanreckless8263 10 місяців тому +8

      ​@nonamenxb6694 I disagree. Devons way of the pronation/back pressure allows for more muscles in the chain to be used. The other lift is more isolated and focuses on less muscles in the chain to be used or engaged. Devonshire lift is more versatile also, imo.

  • @BarryAllen-ht9jm
    @BarryAllen-ht9jm 10 місяців тому +286

    Finally someone makes a video explaining the differences, thank you.

    • @voiceofarmwrestling
      @voiceofarmwrestling  10 місяців тому +25

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @ggs5628
      @ggs5628 10 місяців тому +2

      voevoda also uses toes and hip

    • @callbook8989
      @callbook8989 9 місяців тому

      @@ggs5628 Don't forget his knees as well

  • @CantThinkOfAHandleSoItsThis
    @CantThinkOfAHandleSoItsThis 10 місяців тому +30

    Devon's lift is unreal, I can't imagine having that much weight on my thumb & wrist. Form is everything when working out and his form was perfect, everyone else so far have not replicated his lift.

    • @zGJungle
      @zGJungle 9 місяців тому +5

      Especially when you consider how long his forearm is, all the leverage working against him.

    • @MT-fr7tb
      @MT-fr7tb 6 місяців тому

      @@zGJungle Exaaaacttly! For Ermes this Lift would be much easier even if he would replicate Devons Form 1 to 1. For Vitaly it actually would be much harder than for Devon. So you can only compared the weight for pullers with similar formarm (lever) length.

  • @Matthew-Fish
    @Matthew-Fish 10 місяців тому +98

    Great explanation Coach Ray!

  • @timlewis5527
    @timlewis5527 10 місяців тому +15

    8 minutes of Ray trying to not say vectors

  • @tosmove
    @tosmove 10 місяців тому +90

    This is great to talk about. All of your points are exactly right. The more people understand these fine details, the better we all get. If you guys go full bio on us, it will be fun. 💪

    • @voiceofarmwrestling
      @voiceofarmwrestling  10 місяців тому +12

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @briannewsome
      @briannewsome 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@voiceofarmwrestlingyou guys should make more arm-wrestling training videos because they are really cool thanks for the training videos

  • @WaspMedia3D
    @WaspMedia3D 10 місяців тому +18

    Great explanation. Hoever, this is still far beyond the understanding of Devon haters.

  • @jamesnm21
    @jamesnm21 10 місяців тому +2

    Someone should make posters out of that shot of Devon cracking that lift off the floor. It's iconic and classic classic Devon.

  • @raydstacked
    @raydstacked 10 місяців тому +10

    Solid video. Might have damaged a lot of egos though 😂

  • @EvanRo
    @EvanRo 10 місяців тому +17

    Yes more of these physics and bio-mechanics vids. I learned a lot today

  • @williamiorruz
    @williamiorruz 2 місяці тому +2

    Thats true.
    The basic principle is when the weight close to ur weight point (your joint) so the the weight load will be heavier.
    Thank you coach ray 👌🏽

  • @Cr0ssUP
    @Cr0ssUP 9 місяців тому

    This channel is one of the best out there. Thank You for your time and effort

  • @sunaan2980
    @sunaan2980 10 місяців тому +13

    best breakdown of the lift. outstanding explanation

  • @Marc_AD
    @Marc_AD 10 місяців тому

    Excellent video! Perfect articulation and the details needed are very useful... something almost nobody does. Well done my friend !

  • @Oldsaltydog2
    @Oldsaltydog2 10 місяців тому

    I can see where a lot of people would make use of these type of videos, more of these would be appreciated 💪

  • @koaliimossman4457
    @koaliimossman4457 9 місяців тому

    Amazing points Coach Ray appreciate all the content. Great deep dive into the complexity of arm wrestling out of the table.

  • @mikejensen1473
    @mikejensen1473 10 місяців тому +7

    To anyone who has never done the lift the difference might seems trivial. But the small changes make a big difference. Great explanation!

  • @Senedras
    @Senedras 10 місяців тому +13

    The Coach! Thank you for taking the time to explain & share valuable information to us. Have a good day & hope to see you on the table again very soon ❤

  • @aeladiaYT
    @aeladiaYT 9 місяців тому

    thanks Coach!! always love your videos, keep teaching us and keep kicking ass buddy!

  • @HafizShivji786
    @HafizShivji786 10 місяців тому +1

    Spot on !! Hence every Armwresrler has different strengths in different angles 😊👍

  • @bull1890
    @bull1890 9 місяців тому

    That was awesoome insight into the technical part of training. Thank you for this it explained alot.

  • @MchaelTeeter
    @MchaelTeeter 10 місяців тому +2

    Very informative video. Explaining a lot.

  • @yosht6110
    @yosht6110 10 місяців тому +5

    VERY insightful and informational, thank you for the info!

  • @kizzmitten1
    @kizzmitten1 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks so much coach Ray. Super useful. I'm not an armwrestler, but I love the sport and how it is growing. As an older dude (57) I am inspired by Devon and other older strength athletes. It is the power of UA-cam that nudged me into some of this unique training.
    Maybe you can touch on the differences between tendons and muscles sometime.?
    Stay massive!

  • @anoniem7062
    @anoniem7062 9 місяців тому

    Awesome explanation! Thanks for sharing and also explaining the differences. It all makes sense, but the differences are very easy to overlook, in my opinion. There's also that video comparison between Devon and Ermes in which you can more clearly see, that the exercises they're doing are different.

  • @Pablosan7
    @Pablosan7 10 місяців тому +1

    Awesome analytical breakdown, love it! …Voyevoda has probably also seen it and immediately changed his technique 😊

  • @chrissikora4292
    @chrissikora4292 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video brother! Your training content for arm wrestling is top notch.

  • @oliviervo6889
    @oliviervo6889 9 місяців тому

    My god this channel is gold.

  • @lvl99dust
    @lvl99dust 10 місяців тому

    💪💪💪Thanks bro! *Quality* Video 💯

  • @deadseamonster
    @deadseamonster 10 місяців тому

    Very informative Ray. Thanks!

  • @EvolutionaryE
    @EvolutionaryE 10 місяців тому

    Would love a video series on this!

  • @pascalrouen
    @pascalrouen 10 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video!

  • @hamadalsuwaidi8723
    @hamadalsuwaidi8723 9 місяців тому

    Please bro I loved this video. We need more biomechanics

  • @michaellopez2070
    @michaellopez2070 9 місяців тому

    This is something about all the back pressure cable comparisons that nobody seems to correctly take into account.

  • @wojack8272
    @wojack8272 10 місяців тому

    Lately Your videos have been just 🔥

  • @dashcamcompilationswithcomment
    @dashcamcompilationswithcomment 10 місяців тому +3

    Simply the leverage topic of physics (Im talking about placing the weight on your arm), thanks!

  • @jermojushtteen4936
    @jermojushtteen4936 10 місяців тому

    Great video Ray.

  • @sergeimalynovskyi1370
    @sergeimalynovskyi1370 10 місяців тому +1

    Enjoyed a lot. Please do more with Janis on biomechanics and physics.

  • @Marcnshae2011
    @Marcnshae2011 9 місяців тому

    Great video! Thx

  • @isaacgamez7101
    @isaacgamez7101 9 місяців тому

    Man this is a great video

  • @woofoosfoosball
    @woofoosfoosball 2 місяці тому +1

    Great video coach 👍.
    Micro adjustments with this lift are what sets them apart

  • @lekmusic
    @lekmusic 10 місяців тому

    Cool maybe inserting those video clips of them again in the middle and pausing to show the difference in angles and grip would be good (and explaining how each is doing it differently)

  • @shashishekharsingh4652
    @shashishekharsingh4652 10 місяців тому +5

    Lifting parallel to the body vs perpendicular to it is also a key difference. It's tougher when you do it parallel to your body body.

  • @ivanvalentin3898
    @ivanvalentin3898 10 місяців тому

    Coach Ray is one smart dude. He knows his sport well and he speaks such fluent english and can articulate well

  • @loganschmick792
    @loganschmick792 10 місяців тому

    Great video Raymond.

  • @mikecartier6163
    @mikecartier6163 10 місяців тому +1

    I cant believe Alexey did a Ryan Blowen maneuver.

  • @vikingmode9093
    @vikingmode9093 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for for the tutorial vids.

  • @arryharry
    @arryharry 10 місяців тому

    Trust the coach to clear this debate up! 💪🏼

  • @Thanhatos
    @Thanhatos 10 місяців тому

    Thank you !

  • @CabalisticSpecies
    @CabalisticSpecies 10 місяців тому +1

    Perfect video 💪🏽 was getting real tired of seeing all the ignorant comments on not understanding how physics works 😅

  • @alexviero3578
    @alexviero3578 10 місяців тому

    Great content

  • @clifdunbar7405
    @clifdunbar7405 10 місяців тому

    Thanks Ray

  • @ArmwrestlingTrainingCh
    @ArmwrestlingTrainingCh 10 місяців тому +1

    keep doing these type of videos 🙂

  • @MrDanvillianMonk
    @MrDanvillianMonk 10 місяців тому

    The video we all knew we needed 😅

  • @dark-o
    @dark-o 10 місяців тому

    Little Devon making sense again 🟢💪

  • @Mr_Jingles_147
    @Mr_Jingles_147 10 місяців тому

    My old "mechanic" brain went into overdrive on the strap position, because you're basically describing torque. The further the weight is from the point of energy, the more torque required to move it. Thats why we have 19 different length ratchets in the garage, depending on how big or tight the nut is. Thats why the "over the knuckles" position is the hardest, because it's furthest from the point that the weight is trying to move. Throw in the rotational/pronator aspect and thats an insane amount of leverage required. Great video

  • @andreaselia2002
    @andreaselia2002 10 місяців тому +1

    BRAVO 👏🏻

  • @AndyandMario
    @AndyandMario 10 місяців тому

    Simple and concise description of levers and moment arms.
    This is why shorter lever arm wrestlers are able to generate more torque than their long lever counter parts. Where longer lever pullers compensate for this is the increased coverage associated with bigger and longer hands, fingers etc (on average).
    This is where training smart and making lifts more optimal for what you are targeting will allow for better transfer to the table.

  • @BroncoBillyAW
    @BroncoBillyAW 10 місяців тому

    More of these videos would be welcomed!

  • @Russellmonroe314
    @Russellmonroe314 10 місяців тому +5

    Good content

  • @charlesgress4752
    @charlesgress4752 10 місяців тому

    Thanks coach

  • @vedikaraj1101
    @vedikaraj1101 9 місяців тому

    Devon proved himself

  • @georgeseccombe4382
    @georgeseccombe4382 10 місяців тому +2

    If your arm is longer then the extra leverage will make this lift harder. Would love to see a video that goes a bit deeper into biomechanics Ray

  • @tomaszjaskot664
    @tomaszjaskot664 9 місяців тому +1

    Now this was a good, constructive video. 💪

  • @jerrysoini
    @jerrysoini 10 місяців тому

    More videos about biomechanics please!

  • @godlyaardvark7265
    @godlyaardvark7265 10 місяців тому

    Great video Ray. You forgot to mention how Alexey had a cupped wrist and kipped up the weight with his legs as well though

  • @cliffh7775
    @cliffh7775 10 місяців тому +1

    As the arm angle decreases as the hand rises above the elbow, it seems like some of the tension is transferred off the muscle onto the bone structure. The forearm bones (radius/ulna) become a tent pole that helps support the weight. The more upright the the forearm angle, the greater the effect.

  • @eslteacherpeter
    @eslteacherpeter 10 місяців тому

    You can put a short insert vid of both lifts would make this even better.

  • @svman2475
    @svman2475 10 місяців тому

    I see good progress on the channel. Cool video bro

    • @milan.s2681
      @milan.s2681 10 місяців тому

      Wtf 😃 they were always first class channel.

  • @hellboy-sf1fb
    @hellboy-sf1fb 10 місяців тому +1

    I like your explaining my friend
    👌👌👌

  • @hitbm4755
    @hitbm4755 10 місяців тому +1

    Exactly what I wrote on Alexey's video yesterday, he is not working on the same strength scenario than Devon was, due to the narrower angle he took. Devon's exercise is obviously open arm focused, when the match starts, and Alexey's is when he is arguably already in a good position or hook in his match.

  • @natelsx
    @natelsx 10 місяців тому

    Good video. Someone had to do it !!

  • @sasabione
    @sasabione 10 місяців тому +2

    Devon is such a deep student/master of the art of strength. Impressive local strength and good form. And what about that Squat?

  • @audriuskarpavicius2876
    @audriuskarpavicius2876 9 місяців тому

    This video made me sub

  • @callofdutygamer11
    @callofdutygamer11 6 місяців тому +1

    amazing bro 🔥

  • @matteo4266
    @matteo4266 10 місяців тому

    Well said bro

  • @pprotectas8423
    @pprotectas8423 10 місяців тому

    Great content!!! 👍Devon always is called a "Cheater" but he isn't fool himself like others for sure 😅💪

  • @henry.bowerslol
    @henry.bowerslol 10 місяців тому +2

    And then we have Ermes who doesnt even know the difference between a pronator based lift and a back pressure based lift... he didnt even wrap belt around the thumb but bragged about doing more weight than devon. Pasta brain :D

  • @Ranger.Vt.
    @Ranger.Vt. 10 місяців тому

    Think of it like a crane picking up something heavy. They wouldn’t lay the boom out straight in front of the crane to lift because the crane would literally tip over . They point the broom up for stability and leverage before cabling up and lifting.

  • @malikshahzaib97
    @malikshahzaib97 10 місяців тому +1

    Big difference 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @ogdad3822
    @ogdad3822 10 місяців тому +1

    Yes Truee, Devon move with Letter L, and of course its more hard, and Alexey move with Letter V, yes i know its not easy too, but its not same

  • @serotoninless2565
    @serotoninless2565 10 місяців тому

    make a video top10 specific exercises for armwrestling

  • @jxlp1569
    @jxlp1569 10 місяців тому

    make more of this type of video! but with white boards and trigonometry!!

  • @ikonofcoil
    @ikonofcoil 10 місяців тому

    Ray, it would be interesting to demonstrate some excersises with bands.

  • @mikedumas2901
    @mikedumas2901 10 місяців тому

    Yes we want more!! How about the 90’ can you train it only specifically close to your body or outwards say on the angle you would be at the table but on a 90’ ??

  • @ForceRX
    @ForceRX 10 місяців тому +1

    I am amazed that pro's do not know this basic things about mechanics of these lifts. Very good video Ray.

    • @kmb957
      @kmb957 10 місяців тому +1

      The pros do know. They think you don't.

    • @ForceRX
      @ForceRX 10 місяців тому

      ​​@@kmb957 Ok. They think people are stupid and don't realize its different lift. Videos taken for social media buzz. The way they really train might be different.

  • @robertthompson176
    @robertthompson176 10 місяців тому

    Simply looking at the physics aspect it is simple high school stuff. The moment of force is greater when you increase the distance from the fulcrum. Same reason we use a longer spanner or wrench for something that is difficult to loosen.

  • @Hyper__V
    @Hyper__V 10 місяців тому

    Very interesting content

  • @joerossi2669
    @joerossi2669 10 місяців тому

    Nice video

  • @henrihermola558
    @henrihermola558 10 місяців тому

    Yes yes yes!finally!!!!

  • @arsalali69
    @arsalali69 10 місяців тому +3

    Great video as always, I seriously learned something here

  • @WarmeGrapefruit
    @WarmeGrapefruit 10 місяців тому

    damn ray you looking ripped! Also good explanation

  • @toddhutchings906
    @toddhutchings906 10 місяців тому +13

    I’ve always found versions of this lift silly.
    I agree “all strength is good”
    But, your arm is rarely at 90 degrees when pulling. Maybe while posting?
    If you want better carry over, do your lifts off a table.
    Also, learn to use the term ‘torque’ when explaining the difference in effort for the same weight at various locations from the joint 😉

    • @milospopovic3931
      @milospopovic3931 10 місяців тому

      💯

    • @mgcpubgclips2410
      @mgcpubgclips2410 10 місяців тому

      Devon is doing that so that when he kings move, his wrist will not bend he knows ermes is so powerful and he knows that he can floppress the kings move ,thats why he is training that way.. understand?

    • @aohjii
      @aohjii 10 місяців тому

      no hes doing that for center in the set up so he can post high which is what Toddzilla said lol, thats the only time that 90 degree lift devon does really matters, but devon already said in another video he trains to win and dominate center, as whoever has control of center controls the match@@mgcpubgclips2410

    • @Kalevi0
      @Kalevi0 10 місяців тому

      ​@@mgcpubgclips2410U are talking about palm turning up, not wrist bend. Two totally different things. Understand?

  • @Va4esS
    @Va4esS 10 місяців тому

    preach, Coach, preach

  • @henz993
    @henz993 10 місяців тому

    Yea man, perfect explanation to those ones think they can do the lift thing weight more than Devon did.

  • @Sinkatze
    @Sinkatze 9 місяців тому

    Janis: Biomechanics
    Ray: Biomehanics

  • @LokiLL999
    @LokiLL999 10 місяців тому

    Coach 💪

  • @timothylarson104
    @timothylarson104 10 місяців тому

    Devon eats breaths and sleeps arm wrestling! I trust he knows what he’s talking about just like I trust you Ray! Thank you for your training videos keep up the good work brother 💪💪

  • @funkysanta9052
    @funkysanta9052 10 місяців тому +1

    Devon's lift is as strict as strict can be. The direction of force that the weight applies is inversely proportional to the angle of the arm from the elbow to the wrist. The more your hand starts to get into the 'uppercut' position, the easier it becomes to lift the weight. Devon's exercise was very tough. Even if guys like Ermes or Voevoda can move more weight than Devon, their arm angle was different.

  • @Gatsu_Gambino
    @Gatsu_Gambino 9 місяців тому

    Thanks a lot Coach. Devon has improved so much. I thought Ermes was going to crush him. Im a huge Devon fan and literally was like holy crap... 3-0