Thank you for the honesty! I just completed my temporary folding outfeed table, and was preparing to cut the miter slots today. So finding your video, as I download my photos, was very beneficial for me when planning out how to approach the miter slots today! I have a twin Unisaw setup...two unisaw cabinet saws side by side, and bolted together at the iron wings. So I have four miter slost to cut.
What a great reminder to never fuck around with power tools, as soon as a table saw or router feels routine you gotta remind yourself that every cut could be the one that takes a finger.
Well that was a learning experience. Glad you walked away with all your digits, and thanks for posting your mistake. If nothing else, I learn quite a bit from it! Thanks.
Thanks for sharing the table has to be a great addition to the shop. It’s funny, well not really funny, but even when we know the right way to do something we still turn right around and do what we’re not supposed to. Just too many things to think about when working on a project. I’m sure your brain was busy figuring out the how to make these dados the right size and in the right place. Thanks for sharing that and yes hopefully it will help avoid a future accident for someone, maybe even myself.
Good video, I was recently trimming the end of a table with my track saw, I was set and cutting safely when I realized the off cut was going to fall on the floor........so before my brain could engage I simply reached into the running saw to “catch” the piece........didn’t catch it on video, but lost 3/4 of an inch off one finger and severely damaged the one next to it ........talk about safety alllllllll you want and keep showing mistakes, we all need to be reminded (I do hope you make fewer and fewer lol) and maybe buy a lottery ticket, I don’t know anyone that has tangled with a router or a rabid cat twice and not gotten bit.......stay safe brother 💪🏼👊🏻👍🏻
I'm not a huge commenter. I have made many dumb mistakes and some costly ones for sure. You're honestly and willingness to share your mistakes is inspiring and so needed during UA-cam videos. Many NEW people are learning from UA-cam and they need to be exposed to the potential hazards. Thank you for being bold enough to do it. And to do it back to back with the same tool...good example that we all need to focus every time. One woodworker I learned from always asked me...is there a safer way to do that before I did anything. Even if I was doing it safely...that question lives in my head!!!
I have been very fortunate. Although I've been to the hospital several times for stitches or other injuries, it has never been due to an accident with a power tool. It's hand tools that get me every time. Many, including me, don't think about injuries with hand tools until it happens. One doctor, as she was stitching up my finger, wanted to know why I was using a scalpel at home. When I told her it was a chisel, she was amazed that a tool at home I sharpened myself could produce such a clean cut. Oddly, I was beaming with pride as she was stitching up my stupidity. Seriously though, with power tools, especially the table saw, I rehearse my cuts before I do them. Where will my hands be before, during, and after the cut? Do I have enough outfeed room to complete the cut? The router is now on the top of my list for rehearsals. If I can save someone some trouble, some money, some time, or most importantly, their fingers, then I have been successful. Thank you for noticing.
Well I'm one of the unfortunate ones to experience a table saw injury. Lost the tip of my left thumb. It's still fully functional and I'm still in the craft but I know how quickly it happens and so I cringe when good examples aren't set. Ignorance is no excuse but had I been taught better my accident wouldnt have happened. Safety has become very important to me. Thanks for be a good example.
thanks for the informative video ! I will be doing same, and also forgot to add them before adding the outfeed. Since no guiding will be done (it's all done on the saw end ) , the slots are fro clearance only, I'll make them oversized.
Over 25 years ago with my router in a table, I fed some wood into the bit from the wrong side. After a trip to the ER and $500 dollars later, I still have my pinky finger. It pays to take you time and think things thru. But I guess most guys have to learn the hard way. Glad yours did not include any blood.
I'm glad too. For some reason, having the router in a table meshes well with the way my brain works. I feel so much safer, and (knock on wood), I haven't had the same kind of mistakes using the router in a table.
Most would have edited that out . Thanks for some real life content. PS .love the table I'm building the same type with slots for my out feed great idea.
It's a simple rookie mistake that happens everyone using a router, let it be a trim router or full 1/2" router! glad you got away with it. Thanks for sharing it will open the eyes of newbies of what to look out for .
You should also point out that the extensions of the miter slots need not be dead on accurate. They can be slightly oversize. The reason is that by the time the miter gage or sled runners get there the cut is finished and a bit of slop will not affect the work piece. Also I disagree with Tioga Fretworks about the difference between using a trim router and a larger machine. A climb cut is almost always the wrong thing to do.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that I did cut the slots over size, because I don't want runners interacting with the table at all. Having the alignment block is my insurance. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching.
ok, you seem pretty much like you've used a router quite a bit, i haven't ,i'm kinda scared of mine a little, so i don't feel like a total fool for doing , basicly, the same thing you did, thank you for that, i think i'll play with my router now, with some armoured welding gloves on
Very common issue with a trim router. The real mistake was not using a full-size router. If you had been using a larger two-handed tool you’d have recognized the climb cut right away but it would not have gotten away from you.
I've thought long and hard about this since the "incident." I will rarely use a full size router free hand because of the ergonomics. They feel too detached from the workpiece because of the distance from the work surface to the handles. My prediction is that I wouldn't have had a full size router fly out of my hands, but I probably would have boogered up the work surface. That's a good trade in comparison to boogering up fingers, but I'm much more comfortable using the big routers in a table. I guess I just need more practice. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Curious.. I'm thinking of adding Aluminium Extrusion to my table saw fence.. What size and kind are you using.. Also would you go taller and your reading behind you answer. Thanks..im a virgin woodworker..
I get my extrusions from Misumi USA. They are much less expensive than the extrusions you can buy from woodworking stores. They will also cut them to the exact length you need, so you can order exactly. The size I use for my table saw fence and as an attachment to my miter gauge is 20mm x 80mm. It can be found here: us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/110302684870/?Inch=0 I have three other videos where I use the extrusions. Hope this helps. ua-cam.com/video/68gb11_2qBM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/GnLGIxs-i3s/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/jkX5AHQ9Jgg/v-deo.html
Yup, BTDT, got the T-shirt. Agree with the comment below; go oversize on the slots. Glad there was no blood spilled. Good demonstration of the usefulness of the clamp slots.
I forgot to mention in the video that I did go over size on the slots, so that the runners wouldn't interact with the table at all. The alignment block makes that the case every time. Thanks for watching.
OK, none of the below comments said it so I will. When you lost control of it the first time, and then thought about it, did you not consider simply starting from the closed end of the miter slot? Problem solved,...mostly. You'd be cutting the the "correct" direction, but you'd also be headed toward all that cast iron. No snark intended, just curious if you thought about it during an Adrenalin fueled moment or decided against it.
I could have done that, and should have done that. But I was shook up, and apparently not thinking clearly. I can tell you what I was thinking at the time, was that because of the orientation of the straight edge I was using as a guide, I'd have to plunge the router, and there was no way I was going to do that. Looking back, I could have moved the straight edge to the other side of the cut, and eased into it, making a way safer cut. I'm constantly amazed at how a fresh set of eyes on a problem can teach me something. I should have walked away, gave my brain a break, and attacked the problem with a clean slate. I truly appreciate the comment.
Thanks for showing that. It's the kind of stuff I do all the time.
Thank you for the honesty! I just completed my temporary folding outfeed table, and was preparing to cut the miter slots today. So finding your video, as I download my photos, was very beneficial for me when planning out how to approach the miter slots today! I have a twin Unisaw setup...two unisaw cabinet saws side by side, and bolted together at the iron wings. So I have four miter slost to cut.
We all make those mistakes, they’re just typically not shown on the videos. Keep up the good work.
Makes me feel good to know that I'm not the only one to do dumb, dangerous things in a shop. Thanks for your good natured honesty.
What a great reminder to never fuck around with power tools, as soon as a table saw or router feels routine you gotta remind yourself that every cut could be the one that takes a finger.
Well that was a learning experience. Glad you walked away with all your digits, and thanks for posting your mistake. If nothing else, I learn quite a bit from it! Thanks.
Thanks for sharing the table has to be a great addition to the shop. It’s funny, well not really funny, but even when we know the right way to do something we still turn right around and do what we’re not supposed to. Just too many things to think about when working on a project. I’m sure your brain was busy figuring out the how to make these dados the right size and in the right place. Thanks for sharing that and yes hopefully it will help avoid a future accident for someone, maybe even myself.
Good video, I was recently trimming the end of a table with my track saw, I was set and cutting safely when I realized the off cut was going to fall on the floor........so before my brain could engage I simply reached into the running saw to “catch” the piece........didn’t catch it on video, but lost 3/4 of an inch off one finger and severely damaged the one next to it ........talk about safety alllllllll you want and keep showing mistakes, we all need to be reminded (I do hope you make fewer and fewer lol) and maybe buy a lottery ticket, I don’t know anyone that has tangled with a router or a rabid cat twice and not gotten bit.......stay safe brother 💪🏼👊🏻👍🏻
I'm not a huge commenter. I have made many dumb mistakes and some costly ones for sure. You're honestly and willingness to share your mistakes is inspiring and so needed during UA-cam videos. Many NEW people are learning from UA-cam and they need to be exposed to the potential hazards. Thank you for being bold enough to do it. And to do it back to back with the same tool...good example that we all need to focus every time. One woodworker I learned from always asked me...is there a safer way to do that before I did anything. Even if I was doing it safely...that question lives in my head!!!
I have been very fortunate. Although I've been to the hospital several times for stitches or other injuries, it has never been due to an accident with a power tool. It's hand tools that get me every time. Many, including me, don't think about injuries with hand tools until it happens. One doctor, as she was stitching up my finger, wanted to know why I was using a scalpel at home. When I told her it was a chisel, she was amazed that a tool at home I sharpened myself could produce such a clean cut. Oddly, I was beaming with pride as she was stitching up my stupidity. Seriously though, with power tools, especially the table saw, I rehearse my cuts before I do them. Where will my hands be before, during, and after the cut? Do I have enough outfeed room to complete the cut? The router is now on the top of my list for rehearsals. If I can save someone some trouble, some money, some time, or most importantly, their fingers, then I have been successful. Thank you for noticing.
Well I'm one of the unfortunate ones to experience a table saw injury. Lost the tip of my left thumb. It's still fully functional and I'm still in the craft but I know how quickly it happens and so I cringe when good examples aren't set. Ignorance is no excuse but had I been taught better my accident wouldnt have happened. Safety has become very important to me. Thanks for be a good example.
Great video! Thank so much for the safety tips. I will be cutting grooves in my out feed table too and this is very helpful.
I’ve done that. Felt like my heart was jumping out of my chest when it happened. Glad your ok.
Great tip and great continuation of the build. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for the informative video ! I will be doing same, and also forgot to add them before adding the outfeed. Since no guiding will be done (it's all done on the saw end ) , the slots are fro clearance only, I'll make them oversized.
So glad that didn't end badly. Thanks for sharing your mistake. We all make them.
Over 25 years ago with my router in a table, I fed some wood into the bit from the wrong side. After a trip to the ER and $500 dollars later, I still have my pinky finger. It pays to take you time and think things thru. But I guess most guys have to learn the hard way. Glad yours did not include any blood.
I'm glad too. For some reason, having the router in a table meshes well with the way my brain works. I feel so much safer, and (knock on wood), I haven't had the same kind of mistakes using the router in a table.
Thank you, Franklin. I did learned something from your video.
You are awesome. Thank you for sharing.
Most would have edited that out . Thanks for some real life content.
PS .love the table I'm building the same type with slots for my out feed great idea.
It's a simple rookie mistake that happens everyone using a router, let it be a trim router or full 1/2" router! glad you got away with it. Thanks for sharing it will open the eyes of newbies of what to look out for .
You scare me :D Glad you're ok!
You should also point out that the extensions of the miter slots need not be dead on accurate. They can be slightly oversize. The reason is that by the time the miter gage or sled runners get there the cut is finished and a bit of slop will not affect the work piece. Also I disagree with Tioga Fretworks about the difference between using a trim router and a larger machine. A climb cut is almost always the wrong thing to do.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that I did cut the slots over size, because I don't want runners interacting with the table at all. Having the alignment block is my insurance. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for watching.
been there, I already had the white knuckle death grip, and the router still ran away from me. Thanks!
ok, you seem pretty much like you've used a router quite a bit, i haven't ,i'm kinda scared of mine a little, so i don't feel like a total fool for doing , basicly, the same thing you did, thank you for that, i think i'll play with my router now, with some armoured welding gloves on
Very common issue with a trim router. The real mistake was not using a full-size router. If you had been using a larger two-handed tool you’d have recognized the climb cut right away but it would not have gotten away from you.
I've thought long and hard about this since the "incident." I will rarely use a full size router free hand because of the ergonomics. They feel too detached from the workpiece because of the distance from the work surface to the handles. My prediction is that I wouldn't have had a full size router fly out of my hands, but I probably would have boogered up the work surface. That's a good trade in comparison to boogering up fingers, but I'm much more comfortable using the big routers in a table. I guess I just need more practice. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for showing your screw ups it lets me know that I'm not alone out here.👍👍
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Curious.. I'm thinking of adding Aluminium Extrusion to my table saw fence.. What size and kind are you using.. Also would you go taller and your reading behind you answer. Thanks..im a virgin woodworker..
I get my extrusions from Misumi USA. They are much less expensive than the extrusions you can buy from woodworking stores. They will also cut them to the exact length you need, so you can order exactly. The size I use for my table saw fence and as an attachment to my miter gauge is 20mm x 80mm. It can be found here: us.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/110302684870/?Inch=0
I have three other videos where I use the extrusions. Hope this helps.
ua-cam.com/video/68gb11_2qBM/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/GnLGIxs-i3s/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/jkX5AHQ9Jgg/v-deo.html
Yup, BTDT, got the T-shirt. Agree with the comment below; go oversize on the slots.
Glad there was no blood spilled.
Good demonstration of the usefulness of the clamp slots.
I forgot to mention in the video that I did go over size on the slots, so that the runners wouldn't interact with the table at all. The alignment block makes that the case every time. Thanks for watching.
Been there, seen that, done that.
OK, none of the below comments said it so I will. When you lost control of it the first time, and then thought about it, did you not consider simply starting from the closed end of the miter slot? Problem solved,...mostly. You'd be cutting the the "correct" direction, but you'd also be headed toward all that cast iron. No snark intended, just curious if you thought about it during an Adrenalin fueled moment or decided against it.
I could have done that, and should have done that. But I was shook up, and apparently not thinking clearly. I can tell you what I was thinking at the time, was that because of the orientation of the straight edge I was using as a guide, I'd have to plunge the router, and there was no way I was going to do that. Looking back, I could have moved the straight edge to the other side of the cut, and eased into it, making a way safer cut. I'm constantly amazed at how a fresh set of eyes on a problem can teach me something. I should have walked away, gave my brain a break, and attacked the problem with a clean slate. I truly appreciate the comment.
@@FranklinWoodWorks2016 Like I said, Adrenalin, ain't it great? Good job though. I like it!