So we're def sure its 4-5 combo points for envenom instead of always forcing 5? I remember seeing you always want 5 for it and some people in comments are asking same thing
Does multilate trigger remorseless attacks ? It was bugged in the past that it doesnt worl correct and remorseless attacks wont be triggered by multilate. Thx❤
Are we assuming we arent the player applying Expose Armor? i was under the impression that 46 Expose Armor + Improved makes rogues the de facto shredder?
love your vids, if u have warsong gulch ore arathi tokens, give them up p3 u get rested xp instead of exp even if its thay so, i give ab 20 warsong and 20 arathi tokens, i got 11 rested xp bar instead of getting the exp what the text said
Is it just me or does the Honor among Thieves rune not work properly? 3 hours in a group of 5 without any additional CP, also tested with another rogue with HaT and still nothing. Tried multiple times with other rogue hitting Cold Blood + Mutilate, still 0 additional combo points
Question about envenom timing. Should I be spamming it as soon as I get 4 or 5 combo points depending on my luck, or should I wait until 60 energy? Basically, do I do the two mutilates and then instant envenom, or wait until I can envenom and then mutilate twice immediately after?
Pool some energt first. You want to use your Mutilates while the Envenom buff is up. 2 mutilates is 4 more chances to apply poisons, so it benefits a lot to have Envenom up if possible. Just watch out you don't cap on energy (if using Combat Potency). Not sure when you dump combo points if using Honor Among Thieves.
is 2 points murder worth it over 2 points in lethality? esp in the carnage set up? seems like that extra 12% crit damage (especially with the 30% mutilate crit in combat) is just gunna scale for more damage than 2% flat damage
In the cut to the chase set up, you need the two points in murder to get the next tier of talents For the carnage setup you'd be right with the 45 - 50% chance to crit with mutilate, which would be a 8 - 9% increase in damaage, which would compete Remember, murder also affects your poisons and white damage too, which are a huge chunk of your dps
If you play Barman Shanker with carnage rune, you will proc barman shanker's bleed all the time and benefit the 20% damage without doing a single rupture or garrot. Plus I simmed Barman Shanker in mainhand, and its "only" 20dps under the bis epic dagger... Edit : I wrote Shanker x2 forgetting it was mainhand ,🤣
does a weapon proc count as a "rogue bleed"? Ive always wondered this with the Gnomer dagger - if its poison counted as mine and increased my mutilate damage
he mentions that this cut to the chase build is remarkably simple and he will use it in the first raid lockout because he wants to be able to focus on what the new bosses actually do and not have to pay attention and micromanage his rotation. Might be due to that.
question: it sounds like you use envenom at 4 stacks to avoid overcapping with mutilate. can you confirm? wasn't sure if i should always be going for 5 combo points no matter what.
never send another mutilate if you have 4 points always will be a loss of dps in the long run send a envenom at 4 and then rebuild just try and save Cold blood for a 5 point
@@svviftghostwith cut the the chase wouldn’t it always be up? I’d personally just pool energy send the 4pt and the maximize usage of envenom by spamming some more mutilates after! Is there a way to sim only sending 5pts I’d like to test it withdrew t griefing a boss fight to check
@@svviftghost as I thought you send the mutilates and you either get 4 or 5 but sending another mutilate when your at 4 is generally a loss as it’s wasting a combo but I deff can see in some niche situations for sure
Quick question: are we not supposed to use expose armor this phase with improved expose armor? Or whats the deal with that? Isnt it the best armor reduce in this phase? Thanks in advance Simon!
Love how every single streamer promotes exploiting bugs in the game cuz thats the only way they can perform. "Ya get prep for ur dual spec so u can abuse all your cd's" scummy af, how about teaching people how to be good instead of exploiting
oh no someones gonna get 5 extra combo points on a boss. its the end of the world. oh wait you can literally already do that with redirect. who cares. bozo.
Weird how nobody is talking about or even thinking about using serrated blades, but are going to use rupture rune...It's an extra 30% damage and you get armor pen. I am going to play backstab spec.
It's because you have to spend 10 additional talent points in the Sub tree to unlock this, none of which offer anything to you in a raid, just to increase Rupture damage by 125 (before attack power) over 16 seconds.
Seal fate is a bad choice imo....you will have all the combo points you need from the rune which grants them from anyone in your party getting a crit. Those points are better spent in lethality and/or precision. Especially when you consider these are 20 man raids and the chance you get put into a group with another rogue and a druid is high. That will generate loads of critical strikes....there really shouldn't be a debate honestly, it's the clear choice. (edited to say party instead of raid)
Yeah, id rather just go rest into precision. If we are worried about our offhand missing and not applying poison which leads us to use a fast offhand, why not just go for more white hit.
@@crazyharmless666 Its like, not only must you crit, then after that you must roll ANOTHER dice only for you to probably overcap on combo points cuz, lets be honest, we will be using honor among thieves.
Honestly, you lost credibility as soon as you said "put these points in lethality instead". Lethality is the end all, be all bait talent. Truth is, seal fate sims/spreadsheets higher. And so it's better. Simple as that.
Bro got the kufi on, asalam alaykum brother Simon
Any proof to backup the claims opportunity working in front of a target?
CRANKin out those videos this week. Love to see it.
Love to see it.
Simonize ur a beast, tested ur build and its huge bro , ty for the info.
Wait..... are rogues viable again???? Are rogues fun and actually good DPS again???? Phase 1 was so fun, phase 2 was so bad.
So we're def sure its 4-5 combo points for envenom instead of always forcing 5? I remember seeing you always want 5 for it and some people in comments are asking same thing
mate you look tired :D
Does multilate trigger remorseless attacks ? It was bugged in the past that it doesnt worl correct and remorseless attacks wont be triggered by multilate.
Thx❤
I believe they fixed this, not positive tho
Fixed, been using it today
what poisons should put on daggers?
Are we assuming we arent the player applying Expose Armor? i was under the impression that 46 Expose Armor + Improved makes rogues the de facto shredder?
Honor among thieves work on your crits. It makes mutilate a 3 cp ability, it feels extremely smooth to play with.
Honor Among Thieves not working as intended as of this moment? @SimonizeShow
I would do Garrot as opener with Carnage and then spam in the Mutilates. I also pref Lethality over things like Off-Hand spez for the quick fights.
Honor among thieves with a mage healer in your group would be super strong
love your vids, if u have warsong gulch ore arathi tokens, give them up p3 u get rested xp instead of exp even if its thay so, i give ab 20 warsong and 20 arathi tokens, i got 11 rested xp bar instead of getting the exp what the text said
Is it just me or does the Honor among Thieves rune not work properly? 3 hours in a group of 5 without any additional CP, also tested with another rogue with HaT and still nothing.
Tried multiple times with other rogue hitting Cold Blood + Mutilate, still 0 additional combo points
It's bugged
I imagine its going to be useful to have a 2nd build for cleave fights.
this sucked cause everyone just did incursions lol
Question about envenom timing. Should I be spamming it as soon as I get 4 or 5 combo points depending on my luck, or should I wait until 60 energy?
Basically, do I do the two mutilates and then instant envenom, or wait until I can envenom and then mutilate twice immediately after?
Pool some energt first. You want to use your Mutilates while the Envenom buff is up. 2 mutilates is 4 more chances to apply poisons, so it benefits a lot to have Envenom up if possible. Just watch out you don't cap on energy (if using Combat Potency).
Not sure when you dump combo points if using Honor Among Thieves.
Theres that bleed dagger we can get too but we wont know if itll trigger carnage yet
is 2 points murder worth it over 2 points in lethality? esp in the carnage set up? seems like that extra 12% crit damage (especially with the 30% mutilate crit in combat) is just gunna scale for more damage than 2% flat damage
In the cut to the chase set up, you need the two points in murder to get the next tier of talents
For the carnage setup you'd be right with the 45 - 50% chance to crit with mutilate, which would be a 8 - 9% increase in damaage, which would compete
Remember, murder also affects your poisons and white damage too, which are a huge chunk of your dps
What rotation should I use on leveling solo?
Same question -- the title led me to believe rotation would be covered.
@@warlockiii ur a rogue asking about rotation LOL
Simonize, why Seal Fate instead of hit chance??
which points would be remove if you would be on exposed armor duty in the cut to the chase build? 4% less poison apply or 8% crit dmg?
Remove points from Lethality talent
@@SimonizeShow thank you very much!
IMBATUMUTILATE
Simonize, should i retire my rogue for another class? Im so conflicted after phase 2
Why would he have an opinion?
His channel is based around rogues. Hes not gunna say "thanks for coming, go play a different class" Lol
If you play Barman Shanker with carnage rune, you will proc barman shanker's bleed all the time and benefit the 20% damage without doing a single rupture or garrot. Plus I simmed Barman Shanker in mainhand, and its "only" 20dps under the bis epic dagger...
Edit : I wrote Shanker x2 forgetting it was mainhand ,🤣
does a weapon proc count as a "rogue bleed"? Ive always wondered this with the Gnomer dagger - if its poison counted as mine and increased my mutilate damage
@@bradvanbakel5781 I hope it does!
brother barman shanker is main hand
@@Sickolas7 lololol true, I edited x'D
yay simon time
Interestingly, your talent spec is different from what has been discussed in Discord as far as damage output for the SIM
he mentions that this cut to the chase build is remarkably simple and he will use it in the first raid lockout because he wants to be able to focus on what the new bosses actually do and not have to pay attention and micromanage his rotation. Might be due to that.
Fair enough, bad on me for not having sound on@@KrisKringle06
Whats under that beanie
wouldn't you like to know
Does "Party" for honor among thieves, mean raid wide?
No
nope it means in you 5 man group of the raid
You won't need points in SnD with the rune
which is what he says
cool I picked teh same build !
question: it sounds like you use envenom at 4 stacks to avoid overcapping with mutilate. can you confirm? wasn't sure if i should always be going for 5 combo points no matter what.
never send another mutilate if you have 4 points always will be a loss of dps in the long run send a envenom at 4 and then rebuild just try and save Cold blood for a 5 point
@@fallenn420ttv I've heard from the discord that 5 cp's outweigh the energy loss as long as snd is up
@@svviftghostwith cut the the chase wouldn’t it always be up? I’d personally just pool energy send the 4pt and the maximize usage of envenom by spamming some more mutilates after!
Is there a way to sim only sending 5pts I’d like to test it withdrew t griefing a boss fight to check
@@fallenn420ttv just checked with the discord. They said 4-5 cps depending how many cp you get from 2 mutis
@@svviftghost as I thought you send the mutilates and you either get 4 or 5 but sending another mutilate when your at 4 is generally a loss as it’s wasting a combo but I deff can see in some niche situations for sure
Thank you : )
discord link in description isn't working
there are troubleshooting tips in the description for you
Quick question: are we not supposed to use expose armor this phase with improved expose armor? Or whats the deal with that? Isnt it the best armor reduce in this phase? Thanks in advance Simon!
Hommunclus probably still does the same amount i dunno. I havent looked but I just assume so
We are back in biz boys
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Im sorry but you lost me when i saw that hat... didnt watch past 0:02
Love how every single streamer promotes exploiting bugs in the game cuz thats the only way they can perform. "Ya get prep for ur dual spec so u can abuse all your cd's" scummy af, how about teaching people how to be good instead of exploiting
oh no someones gonna get 5 extra combo points on a boss. its the end of the world. oh wait you can literally already do that with redirect. who cares. bozo.
😂 mate you too much
Weird how nobody is talking about or even thinking about using serrated blades, but are going to use rupture rune...It's an extra 30% damage and you get armor pen. I am going to play backstab spec.
It's because you have to spend 10 additional talent points in the Sub tree to unlock this, none of which offer anything to you in a raid, just to increase Rupture damage by 125 (before attack power) over 16 seconds.
I thought about this, believe it or not. Would be nice if you share your results
kinda forgetting about imp expose armor old boy :) you complained that you had no utility now you aren't using it.
Priests still have homunculus
look at how much each one debuffs........
@@jamespadgett8660
Seal fate is a bad choice imo....you will have all the combo points you need from the rune which grants them from anyone in your party getting a crit. Those points are better spent in lethality and/or precision. Especially when you consider these are 20 man raids and the chance you get put into a group with another rogue and a druid is high. That will generate loads of critical strikes....there really shouldn't be a debate honestly, it's the clear choice.
(edited to say party instead of raid)
Yeah, id rather just go rest into precision. If we are worried about our offhand missing and not applying poison which leads us to use a fast offhand, why not just go for more white hit.
@@malohn2068 Seal fate is a complete waste of 2 points....i have no idea why he would take those when we can get more combo points from a rune.
@@crazyharmless666 Its like, not only must you crit, then after that you must roll ANOTHER dice only for you to probably overcap on combo points cuz, lets be honest, we will be using honor among thieves.
@@malohn2068 yeah idk wth the thinking is behind taking seal fate. it makes no sense.
Honestly, you lost credibility as soon as you said "put these points in lethality instead". Lethality is the end all, be all bait talent.
Truth is, seal fate sims/spreadsheets higher. And so it's better. Simple as that.
I HECKING LOVE ROGUE BatChest