Let's Play "Just The Tip" (2 Schrades vs. 2 Cold Steels)... Who Survives? - Preparedmind101
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Aus-10 is actually a high end budget to low mid grade steel , it holds a lot better edge than Aus-8 , probably a bit more than Sandvik 14c28n or Vg-10 , But that really all depends on how good the heat treat is and Cold Steel usually does a great job with it and obviously Schrades isn't that good although you did put some good pressure on that thinner tip before it broke . And as far as China , their heat treats are Always suspect , its night and day between them and Taiwan, Taiwan makes good knives period .....👍🖖
What did you do last night?
I played “just the tip” with Chris.
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The GI Tanto used to be virtually indestructible.
The Schrade most likely gave out because that tip was ground way much thinner than the others, it also looks like it’s made of the thinnest stock. Higher cutting/slicing ability, but weaker when doing such prying tip tests. People often jump to steel spec too soon. Thickness at the edge, and the angle of the primary and secondary bevels matter much more than people think.
Watching the break compared to the GI Tanto break... The Schrade took WAY more given the stabby tip. I honestly thought the wood would give first. I pushed it too hard, too far. If it was heat treat it would no way have held up to the pressure that it did.
Agreed. I wouldn’t overthink it. Steel type, heat treat, AUS 8 vs. AUS 10, socialist vs. democratic, whatever. The Schrade Extreme Survival clearly had that swedge coming down from the spine by the tip. That tip was a diamond shape cross-section scalpel out on the end. That sheep’s foot is a brutish triangle cross-section. Now, to be fair, I think that SRK-C has a swedge by the tip as well. But I think the geometry on that ES was done solely for looks and not for function. To your point: don’t call it Extreme Survival. Tacticool BS.
Dude if that wannabe Bushman was normalized or tempered at ALL, ILL EAT THAT LOG...that was disgraceful. It carries the name and that's all
The SRK remains undefeated as the best budget all around fixed blade on the market.
Agree.
As soon as you pulled that one Schrade out of the sheath, just looking at the geometry I figured that would be the one to snap. A knife can be indestructible, or it can be slicey and stabby, bit it's a rarity to be both.
I tried this with a Taiwan CS Leatherneck. Tip snapped like a twig. The hollow grind couldn't support the tip under pressure.
Hey Chris, AUS 8 has a lower carbide volume than AUS 10, which generally makes it tougher. More carbide volume increases wear resistance but lowers toughness.
#2- I noticed a big difference in heat treatment of those bushman line of knives from Cold Steel. They used to have a spring temper but now they just harden it done. It is cheaper so that is probably why they do it poorly. Greed sucks.
Q: Who puts AUS10 on a "extreme survival" knife? A:The same people who regrind a saber chopper, into a hollow grind...
It would be Awesome if you and Tops knives could make a design a knife together. Every knife I have had from Tops has been a beast. Awesome vid Chris.
This is a brilliant idea!!!! I love my TOPS stuff
The Shrade now has a nice screwdriver tip to go with the blade.
That Sheepsfoot seemed to hold up pretty well and looked decent enough. Would like to see a standalone video on it. Looked like a nice cutting edge and it was tearing up that log.
Awesome awesome good job brother, test videos are money all day
Great video concept , think you just started a new trend , or what should be a new standard for comparison videos
Great video. I really trust your opinion on knives. I would really like to see you test a Bradford knife. I have a guardian 3 that is indistuctable, but would like to see one of their bigger knives tested.
Solid vid Chris, this just reminds us to do our research before buying, especially on budget Chinese knives. The one super cheap thing CS still has going is the Taiwan made tomahawks, which can still be found in the $23-28 range. They do require a little work to get them in shape, but that makes you love the end result even more.
After your test I'm even happier with my Recon Tanto in VG-1. It's stamped JAPAN.
good review enjoy your vids ---you might consider putting 3 feet or so of pipe over the handle on the bending tests for safety . keeping your hands and face out of the way. joe x scares me on his testing always putting his body around the breaking blades !
You don't find much Schrade knives in my European country and i'm glad about it!!
AUS-10 is a lot like 440C, but a bit tougher....
Hi Chris. I am not one to abuse a knife, but I think my old SRK Carbon V should hold up well If I ever needed to abuse it.
My wife and I played along just slightly different game peices
In my experience AUS-8 and AUS-10 is perfectly fine steel.
Heat treats with it are important but so is blade stock or geometry.
My experience... AUS-8 is more stout and can take abuse better, AUS-10 holds a better edge for a little longer.
Kizyler Supreme uses these steels a bunch and their knives have always been caliber... in my experience.
But TBH, I haven't purchased a knife with those steels in probably a decade now.
I will buy a SRKc, held off because of the tip breaking, own other cold steel knives, an never had a problem with them, but didn't want to buy a knife that would break like the chineeseeum SRKc. Thx for the vid
I’m surprised you tested any schrade knives but that sheeps foot was good for batoning despite being a bit small for my taste. I rarely baton with my knives anyway but if I do I prefer a larger blade. $30 you can’t go wrong.
What does a straight extreme survival? The one with that weird little tool in the handle so you had to push the button originally like a weird seatbelt Cuttery thing
What I was saying. It's like they used the same drawing but this one is different. More solid feeling.
I'd never considered a massive sheepsfoot, but it's a genius move.
GI Tanto had always the tip too thin to be indestructible. The rest of the knife is bulletproof
the original version of the Schrade the schr27 was only a 6.6 inch blade
AUS 10 is supposed to be a tougher version of VG 10. and AUS 10 has a much higher carbon content than AUS 8, so maybe that adds to the brittleness
How the blade is tempered can make it stronger which may account for AUS 8 outlasting the AUS 10.
Ive been thinking about getting the kabar jarosz turok.
But its been a few years. Can you go over it again and possibly include some other more recent competitors?
I like these tests
I'd say it has more to do with the h.t than the fact its aus10 i have some in that and they're more budget knives but seem pretty strong. 🤷🏻♂️
Plus a thick tip is naturally going to be stronger than a thin tip knife of the same or comparable steel a tanto has a thicker tip than a clip point blade and so on.🙃
My guess was way off. I didn’t realize that Chris has the older Cold Steel. Great video.
Wath is the best delta class schrade schf9, schf52, 🐑 food ? Wath is the best for you?
The Recon tanto is a beast! I have both in SK5 and San Mai. I like it even more than both my SRK in either steel. Your Recon looks fairly new, mine has shed its black coating long ago, mostly after the first year.
I've had a Taiwan Recon Tanto since I saw Matt Damon get stabbed with one by Sharlto Copley in Elysium. Love that thing.
Hey Chris, will you be reviewing the SCHRADE BRUSH SWORD?
I am really enjoying these budget reviews... it's good to see someone who is familiar with high-end knives taking an honest look at the lower priced options... Puccini (UK)
It makes a cameo tonight.
Thanks again Chris 😎✌️ we need to know the durability of these knives before we waste our time on them. This price point is so important and should deliver reliability, not junk 🤘
I bought a Cold Steel Tanto back in the early 90's. I skinned a black bear with it one time and put it through hell for years. It never failed me till I took a bike trip through Florida and I sold it to lessen the weight I was hauling around. I do still have the full sized SRK that was its companion. Its strong but it seems to be harder to sharpen it to shaving caliber.
Just the tip - and only for a minute 😂
Aus 10 is tough and holds a decent edge when it’s Cold Steels.
I love my SRK C! Thank you Taiwan! LOL
I am not sure I understand why people do this. I have seen many videos of others "testing" knife tips. Hardened steel ground to a point will be brittle. Two decades ago I pulled a brand new benchmade folder from my pocket to show a coworker and dropped it on a concrete floor. Lost about a quarter inch of the tip when it hit. I reground it and still use to this day. The point is i would expect most to break under that type of stress.
Just my humble opinion...
It stems from the last two Cold Steel Videos where old knives that USED TO BE indestructible are now snapping like twigs. That's why.
Idk, I make small 01 knives sometimes as a hobby and smacking the edge against concrete few times to see if they chip is how I normally test to see that they're even tempered right. I'd ask for a refund/replacement. Maybe it's me being a city boy but I don't understand delicate fixed blades, why not just use a large folder at that point?
@@preparedmind101its as simple as "made in china" when will these companies learn that its a false economy and a very short term profit plan. Big corporate accountants making bad decisions 😢
I have a pair of Schrades 1182512 just like that one that broke the tip.
I love the design, but it has a major fatal flaw: They're made of too thin of a stock.
One is made from 3.8mm stock and the other from 4mm stock.
A knife like that, and marketed as an extreme survival knife, should be made from stock of at least 5mm, possibly even 5.5 or 6mm.
Chris, I have followed your channel for years and have learned a lot from you. Although you are not the only creator that performs torture tests (SMH) on blades, in general I have not observed a focus on safety. You did show your first aid kit but did not display any EYE PROTECTION. You may have been wearing it off camera though. This rant is directed towards ALL creators. Anyway, I do own a couple of cold steel Tantos and I admit I was drawn in by Lynn Thompson stabbing car hoods! I wish you continued success in all of your endeavors. 👍
Thanks for the video…. I googled just the tip and was sent to some videos with nothing to do with knives….weird
All the tips will break when forced but thanks for showing how much pressure it takes 👍👊. You gonna make a sheepsfoot blade and salvage ? I stand corrected , lol . Good job cold steel
Time for some Tanner regrind action! I stab an dig into fallen logs all the time in search for pine grubs-excellent for fishing and for toasting and eating By the fire :) Tastes like piñon nuts
I wouldn't really fault the Schrade for breaking off. That tip was thin and aus 10 is harder and more brittle than aus 8
This video should sell a lot of those Bedrock knives. That design is great, and the thiccness is just 👌👌
Tops smokejumper...nuff said
knives aren't supposed to be used like that. I wouldn't call it a fail if the tip breaks.
Need to bring back the Becker BK7 & BK9
Toss the Schrader in the car trunk/back of your vehicle...I did.
AUS8 is a tougher steel. AUS10 has better edge holding, but less tough.
Hey Chris, do you know anyone that can help me re-vamp my grandfathers WWII Schrade/Cutco Jackknife? I’m not looking for restoration… I just want to bring it back to life.
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Schrade needs to quit with the hollow grinds on their “Survival knives” and pay attention to their heat treatment processes. About 5-6 years ago I tested the Schf2 in 1070, Schf3 in 8cr13mov and there Schf37 & 38 in 1095 steel. I also did Cold Steels SRK in SK5 and Aus-8. Also Steel Will’s Druid 200 in 9cr18mov and multiple others really not applicable here. I did edge and tip toughness... Almost all the Hollow Ground knives failed including SK5 SRK. Survivors were the Schf38, the Aus-8 SRK and the Druid 200. Also noticed big difference in edge stability between the Schf37 & Schf38. The 37’s edge damaged badly while the 38 was one of the best I tested.
Of the knives that broke I do have to say I was impressed by the Schf2 and SRK in SK5.
These days , it's hard to tell if a Schrade , Ontario and other "American" companies are using Chinese manufacturing, materials or whatever.
The entire "American made " experience has gone to hell.
I've been away for over a year ( Brain Tumor), so I was wondering what happened to William Myers. Is he alright?
He transitioned. He has a makeup tutorial channel on Tiktok. You should sub for support.
*that's a lie
The beard would be a bit unattractive. Hope everyone is healthy and doing well.
AUS-8 is a lot like 440B. Should be less tough than AUS-10
Thanks Chris for showing what's up with good and knives
And the junk knives
All at once and it comes out to be
The good bad and the ugly
Lol 😅😅😅😅
Peace ✌️
Aus 8 is aged in a Chinese warehouse for 8 yrs on back order ….and Aus 10 is aged for 10 years 👍👍😂
After that last knife broke the way it did to you. Maybe you should wear safety glasses, a face shield, hard hat, and body armor?!? That even freaked me out when that happened to you. Thank God that busted blade didn't hit you!!!
Armor of God
Bad heat treat?
No. Did you see the pressure? It was just a stabby point on a knife that should be labeled a fighting knife. But putting "extreme survival" on the knife opens up all testing.
CHRIS, are the Taiwan cold steel's marked or stamped "Taiwan" on the knives? and when did Cold Steel switch over to China ??
Yes. The China stuff is generally the less expensive.
So I broke a 2014 SCHF3
Yet one maybe around 2010 SCHF3n... I remember you throwing it in a creek, throwing rocks at it, and it's a tank... like Russian roulette 😅
You mean it's like a Russian tank.
@@grepora no, those explode... more like a panzer.
Yep like the bedrock
Original design of jessX has to be in the pipeline. This Schrade love is sus .....
Ok Jesse Ventura.
The only Schrade products I have are the Schrade SCMACH1 and SCMACH2 machetes as well as the Schrade Prescilla Makhaira Brush Sword machete.. but I own lots of Cold Steel products.
The tips on both the Schrade SCMACH1 and SCMACH2 broke during the very first use.. but they are both very crap steels.. like 3Cr13 or something.
The Schrade Prescilla has held up impressively just fine.. as well as all of my Cold Steel budget blades.. but I have never really been a fan of Schrade and their budget products.
I am a die hard loyal Cold Steel Fanboy for life.
The new one is different. I wish I still had the old one to compare it too. It's like they took the shape of older stuff and tweaked then all somehow in the specs.
I seem the recall someone who wanted to play “Survivor”...I believe the game goes until there is only One Survivor left...
I get your point but breaking stuff just to break it... eh
I didn't want of them to break
Sounds like some bad heat treatment
It wasn't
Not when I search the replay and seeing how much extended pressure I was putting on it.
Was that Schrade AUS10 made in Taiwan?
No
@@preparedmind101 There you go.
I am NOT a Schrade fanboy and with that said, the Schrade failed because the stock is very THIN and no knife of that stock thickness in SS will survive that much pressure on the tip. The Cold Steels of course did survive because the tips are about 3 times thicker of better steel.
That SRK-C tip isn't. That was the one I was actually worried about. The Schrade took a lot of pressure you can see me putting on it. I went too far. Point being it wasn't an instant, low pressure snap like the GI Tanto
@@preparedmind101 Agreed.
5160 is an oldie but a goodie ,......with a good heat treat it's tough as 💩 . N O!!!!! hollow grinds for beaters johnny 🤡, they be made for slicing 🧐
hulk break
Yup anything not Chinese cold steel is definitely better
Did you see the Camillus chopper at Walmart ? I forget what it’s called but looked fun . Just a straight machete type edge but chunky . I think it was $30 or $40
I can't remember the last time I stepped foot in Wally World
I love how JOE-X has pushed the ''Overton window'' in knife channels.
I still have never watched one (ok my kids lives). Is that the name of the actual channel? It's never even come up in anything suggested on UA-cam for me.
Tip tests aren't new though. I want to have a knife after a test, not intentionally destroy it.
@@preparedmind101 Oh its ''JOE X'' without the ''-''.
Hmm.. but you know what he does ''intentionally destroy it.'' So if you know him without even watching, he must really be making waves XD
@johnsun3854 people mention him a lot in comments. I don't really have time to watch videos when I'm making them.
@@preparedmind101 Also, he is actually testing the knives. But doing it in a different way(not the same way hundreds or even thousands of other channels are doing it already). Structural integrity and toughness mostly is what he tests.
I think he is doing knife world a favor. The steel snobbery of brittle but super hard steels had gone a bit too far.
Hes not the hero we deserved.. but a hero we needed.
Stay away from Chinesium I guess!
Do you promise? Just the tip? Please, be gentile...
I do like the sheep's foot blade. If it cuts and carves okay, it could be a solid choice.
Fkin hollow grinds mate🤦🏼♂️ what is their deal with the damn hollow grinds?
Send me your scharade ill fix it free of charge.
Another good reason to make sure Taiwan stays independent.
Shrade has good design and bad steel.
Cold steel china smh
Taiwan makes good everything in my experience. Knives, tools…everything, and it’s NOT CHINA
Thanks for breaking crap knives so I don’t have to waste my money on them!
Sorry I couldn’t watch this (I watch most all of your videos).
I hate tip tests, no mater who does them. They makes me cringe, finger nails on a chalk board.
STOP IT 😊
your test is flawed the Cold steel knife you stuck in soft " outer wood " the Shrade you stuck in hard " core wood " and your acting is poor as well , you intended to do this ... why? I dont know , but you did .
Please... You have the floor. Tell all of us how you come to hold such knowledge.
I watched you do it on video ...... pretty simple when you made the video and put it out... go watch it yourself ....... and your side mouthed comments about China while praising Taiwan tell a story all in its self.
Video had me "cringing"!!!
Child support roulette ?!? Laughing my ass off that was good. Ever thought about comedy ? I think you have a knack for making me laugh at least. Thank you brother that comment alone was perfect way to set my day !