Thank you for your Excellent explanation of these verses. My brain has been tongue tied for the many times I’ve read this. John Madden would be proud of you👍🙏🏻
Jesus and Paul uses this strong language as a means to give genuine believers eternal security. Strong language, strong warnings. When Jesus uses language like "kept", "guarded" "my sheep" "eternal life" and "in my hand" gives me confidence to speak up about eternal security being true. When Paul uses language like predestined, called, justified, glorified, I know I have eternal security. In summary: John 15:6 is about being a genuine believer. am I abiding? Romans 11:17 is about checking myself. Do I understand Gods grace? Or am i arrogant about it, proving I dont underatand it? But there is the real substance. The Object of our faith. The Author and Finisher of our faith. Our High Priest Forever. Our faith and fruit, even our repentance is all a grace gift. Eternal Security is biblical. Search scripture.❤
So this is a basic question I had in my mind….. 11:32 if God has consigned us to disobedience in order to show mercy on all…does this mean that we are not entirely responsible for our disobedience? I’m open to be enlightened by anyone,and if anyone could explain freewill in this context?
No your spot on. Paul actually addresses your queerie starting in Rom 9:19 - I would recommend reading Romans 9-11 to get a better picture of his full argument though. As for free will and its relation to Paul's argument here, there’s not much I can elaborate on in a youtube thread (Though i’d be happy to zoom call). Free will is not so much the ability to choose between two or more possibilities as it is the ability to choose correctly. A free will cannot choose evil and cannot live in disobedience, only a depraved will can. But just as Paul points out, God uses futile wills (whom he himself allows or otherwise hardens) to mature other wills into obedience (Rom 11:28-32).
@@lukemerrick8517 I'm kinda getting your point but I still didn't get it 😅.....yeah, would be more than happy to have a chat (but I'm from India though)
In our free will we willingly act opposed to God so God doesn't have to do anything to make us disobedient but by our wills being in bondage to Sin we willingly are against God and at enmity with God. Now God does hardened peoples hearts as a judgement for example Pharoah in exodus. So Paul taught here that as the Jews have rejected their messiah which was told back in romans 9, God has turned salvation over to the Gentiles. We are by nature children of wraith and children of disobedience (Ephisians 2). "Judicial hardening" is the term for what is happening if you look up more into that.
its not that God wants us to be disobedient but by having a physical body and coming into existence because we are NOT God we will disobey by nature. God knew this ahead of time so by the disobedience of adam and eve sin was brought into the world but by the obedience of Jesus it was defeated. now the disobedience of the jews and our own disobedience leads to faith and grace and mercy and salvation to the other through Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross!!! God is truly amazing and ahead of us
...that he might have mercy on them ALL. Reading is fundamental Calvinists. The same economy that condemns every man in Adam, saves every man in Christ. They just have to believe to receive it. Very simple...unlimited atonment, conditional salvation. Not the gnostic inversion ya'll preach.
9:10 It is not saying that ethnic Israel is all going to be saved. When he says "so then all Israel will be saved" this is in light of what he has already said at the beginning of the Israel-salvation discussion, namely that they are not all Israel (in God's eyes) who are of Israel (Israel by ethnicity). Rom 9;6 NHEB But it is not as though the word of God has come to nothing. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel. Rom 11;26 NHEB and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, “There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Tell me something brother 🤔 The term jew, doesn't appear anywhere in Romans 9-11.. Why have you chosen to use IT instead of the term used by the writer? Israel is NOT jew.. The house of Israel is NOT the house of Judah! Hasn't been for 3 millenia.. Correct me if I'm wrong..ty
Thank you for your Excellent explanation of these verses. My brain has been tongue tied for the many times I’ve read this. John Madden would be proud of you👍🙏🏻
Such Mercy is unfathomable. Praise the Lord!
Jesus and Paul uses this strong language as a means to give genuine believers eternal security. Strong language, strong warnings. When Jesus uses language like "kept", "guarded" "my sheep" "eternal life" and "in my hand" gives me confidence to speak up about eternal security being true. When Paul uses language like predestined, called, justified, glorified, I know I have eternal security.
In summary:
John 15:6 is about being a genuine believer. am I abiding?
Romans 11:17 is about checking myself. Do I understand Gods grace? Or am i arrogant about it, proving I dont underatand it?
But there is the real substance. The Object of our faith. The Author and Finisher of our faith. Our High Priest Forever. Our faith and fruit, even our repentance is all a grace gift.
Eternal Security is biblical. Search scripture.❤
Amen this is truth! ❤️ Once saved always saved amen
Today is August 19, 2023. And on this day, let us pray for people different from you.
romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. KJV
Exactly! This channel distorts scriptures to fit a calvinist works based false gospel message.
So this is a basic question I had in my mind…..
11:32 if God has consigned us to disobedience in order to show mercy on all…does this mean that we are not entirely responsible for our disobedience? I’m open to be enlightened by anyone,and if anyone could explain freewill in this context?
No your spot on. Paul actually addresses your queerie starting in Rom 9:19 - I would recommend reading Romans 9-11 to get a better picture of his full argument though. As for free will and its relation to Paul's argument here, there’s not much I can elaborate on in a youtube thread (Though i’d be happy to zoom call). Free will is not so much the ability to choose between two or more possibilities as it is the ability to choose correctly. A free will cannot choose evil and cannot live in disobedience, only a depraved will can. But just as Paul points out, God uses futile wills (whom he himself allows or otherwise hardens) to mature other wills into obedience (Rom 11:28-32).
@@lukemerrick8517 I'm kinda getting your point but I still didn't get it 😅.....yeah, would be more than happy to have a chat (but I'm from India though)
In our free will we willingly act opposed to God so God doesn't have to do anything to make us disobedient but by our wills being in bondage to Sin we willingly are against God and at enmity with God. Now God does hardened peoples hearts as a judgement for example Pharoah in exodus. So Paul taught here that as the Jews have rejected their messiah which was told back in romans 9, God has turned salvation over to the Gentiles. We are by nature children of wraith and children of disobedience (Ephisians 2). "Judicial hardening" is the term for what is happening if you look up more into that.
its not that God wants us to be disobedient but by having a physical body and coming into existence because we are NOT God we will disobey by nature. God knew this ahead of time so by the disobedience of adam and eve sin was brought into the world but by the obedience of Jesus it was defeated.
now the disobedience of the jews and our own disobedience leads to faith and grace and mercy and salvation to the other through Jesus Christ and what he did on the cross!!!
God is truly amazing and ahead of us
Thank you for this question. This actually takes a lot of pressure off of me knowing god does this
Then Romans 11:32-36 as it aligns with 5:17-20 ;)
...that he might have mercy on them ALL.
Reading is fundamental Calvinists. The same economy that condemns every man in Adam, saves every man in Christ. They just have to believe to receive it. Very simple...unlimited atonment, conditional salvation. Not the gnostic inversion ya'll preach.
9:10 It is not saying that ethnic Israel is all going to be saved. When he says "so then all Israel will be saved" this is in light of what he has already said at the beginning of the Israel-salvation discussion, namely that they are not all Israel (in God's eyes) who are of Israel (Israel by ethnicity).
Rom 9;6 NHEB But it is not as though the word of God has come to nothing. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel.
Rom 11;26 NHEB and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, “There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Tell me something brother 🤔
The term jew, doesn't appear anywhere in Romans 9-11..
Why have you chosen to use IT instead of the term used by the writer? Israel is NOT jew..
The house of Israel is NOT the house of Judah! Hasn't been for 3 millenia..
Correct me if I'm wrong..ty