Motorcycle Cornering & Counter Steering | Harley-Davidson Riding Academy
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
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Counter steering also works below 10 mph. Even if you take off from standstill and push right, the bike will go right. People tend to believe that the handlebars go where you push them, but actually, if you push the handlebars one way, then they'll move the opposite way.
Countersteering is the only physically way to turn a bike when it has only two contact patches, at any speed. So, no, there's not a speed between 0 and 30 km/h where the bike steers by means of normal steering and then speeds above 30 km/h where countersteering is applied. Physics don't change and are not one for 0-30 and other for 30-up. What happens has to do with perception, so we fall into the belief that steering is for low speed manoeuvres just because our eyes can't differentiate the small contrary degrees movement of the direction.
Good information, best thing is that with more time on the road you get to learn more about how you and your bike work together.
Like a damn scientist convention down here!
Thank you for that good information on count of steering about time someone demonstrated on how to properly counter steering all the other videos or boo-boo. Once again thank you
Thank you, though I have never experienced the counter thing you made. I always lean my body to turn my bike and I just learned that I can't do that on cruiser bikes... (I tried)
I lean a lot watching your video....Keep the great content coming 👍
Ride Safe....Steve from Illinois 🇺🇸
Hmmmm push left turn left, etc.....makes my brain 😞 after just doing it without dissecting it....it does sound counter intuitive when you say it out loud. Lean left go left..at speed of course.....maybe I’m subtly doing what you’re describing ? Gonna think 🤔 about it now....but not too long 😃 gotta get low and ride!
There is an interesting article on u tube that explains how counter steering works. I prefer to keep to right or left of centre to avoid the dusty and sometimes nail, screws that can gather on the centre line, follow the tyres of cars!
@breezelow unknown I use it and u tubers here have shown it too, try palladino he is an ex police m/c trainer.
@breezelow unknown I have been a biker since 17 I am 68. So touché and I do use it.
@breezelow unknown I was taught it as a method of turning more quickly when learning getting my full bike licence. The key to safety is anticipation and awareness on the road. I always assume and rightly car drivers don’t see me and am right too often. 😀
@breezelow unknown Nice said, drove my car to visit a friend Saturday, did not enjoy it Bike is the way to go!! Happy Easter and riding!!!
@microatmospheremicrosend And there are tons of videos showing that CS is a necessity to make turns. You have practised CS from the first moment you controlled a bicycle and ever since.
Stop saying you have to ajust your speed BEFORE you enter the corner.If you don’t know the curve ahead, you cannot ajust your speed for it. Trail breaking is what you have to do.
Although for newer riders, I'd still suggest slowing down prior to the turn, especially if you're not familiar with the road. ✌
Trail breaking is an advised technique, not taught to new riders. First learn to safely and properly ride before moving on to trail breaking.
The technique described in this video isn't a stepping stone, its a crutch to get people on the road that aren't ready. If you can't slow down in a turn you are a danger to yourself and others. Instead of teaching a dangerous technique, more time should be spent teaching the correct and safe technique of trail braking.
Good info but nubies beware the bike will tuck aggressively into the corner; doesn’t take much pressure on the handle folks. Enjoy the ride, thanks for the info, you look marvelous, and, be safe for goodness sakes.🤓God Bless
Nice job great footage.
Great explanation 👍🏻🏍️
Motorcycles have the same physics as an airplane- they both pivot on an axis. that’s why we love it!!!
Great video
Great thanks!
Now CS takes place at any speed. There is no magic happening at 1,6 km/h. Take 18 5,4 m U-turn at walking speed. You initiate that with a short CS to get the bike to lean.
Love the video mam. I'm just nervous on big curves in highways. In Minnesota a certain highway I take home in my car has huge curve. Kinda nervous to do counter steering in long curve. Any tips for starters when dealing with counter steering at 50mph highway??
What really helped me understand counter steering was something they did in my Rider's Course:
Take a plain bicycle wheel and use a broom stick or something similar and run that through where the axel would be. Now put your hands on the broom stick, on either side of the wheel. Have a friend start spinning the wheel, as fast as they can. With the wheel spinning, move your hands/arms as if you were steering your bike- move your right hand ahead while pulling your left hand back and vice versa.
This allows you to really feel how the wheels are really just big gyros, and how moving it around feels even when you're standing still. Hope that helps! ✌
@breezelow unknown but the instructors says to do it and many UA-cam videos bikers...
@breezelow unknown ....they would be responsible for several deaths.. buy luckily I use my body and instinctly know how to curve weeks ago.
@breezelow unknown man you've never ridden a bike in your life
@breezelow unknown Well, when you counter steer, the front wheel is simply being tipped into the corner, driven into the direction of the curve by the momentum of the bike. You might be confused thinking counter steering is actually steering the front wheel opposite the curve. You've just been making it harder on yourself your whole riding career by throwing your body into every turn to do what your hands could have done for ya. Cheers from a 23 yrold who everyday rides harder than you do....on a harley ;)
Felt off my bike right now because I forgot how to corner, here to reminds my self.
Thanks
Superb ❤️
I know you think what you're saying is getting through, but you're missing something trust me and a few people have listened to it. As you're approaching a turn, you have to counter steer. And then you have to lean in the direction that you want to go and hold the lean and the counter steering through the turn. Then as you're leaving the turn. You ease on the counter and ease on the leaning to straighten a bike to leave The turn
How to corner with H-D.
1. Before the corner slow down.
2. Stop.
3. Measure the radius of the curve.
4. Realise that your bike can do suck tight turns.
5. Turn around and head back home.
6. On the way back, pick up bolts and nuts that fell off earlier.
7. Grab a cold one.
Saludos super video👍👍👍👍🤘🤘🤘👊👊👊
I’ve been riding dirt bikes and Harley’s since I was 8 and I just don’t understand lol. Maybe I do this naturally and don’t realize it but it absolutely seems counterintuitive. But I mean I’ve dragged pegs accidentally a few times and came out fine.
You have been countersteering from the first moment you handled a bicycle. Only way to get the bike into a lean. What is often misunderstood is that you only steer out of the turn for a fraction of a second. The bike leans and you steer into the turn depending on lean and speed.
@@SimonRiley752 That «intuition» has to be learned. Normally in your younger days when learning to handle your first bicycle. My little grandson rode a balance bike being 2 yrs old, but he had and has no clue of the word Countersteering. In due time his grandpa will tell him the physics. Till then, he is happily riding!
My 03 Softail drifts out of corners really bad above 50mph its horrible!
so you downshift every corner on the highway?
No not necessary unless you're downshifting to slow down. I'm lazy and a lot of times just pull in the the clutch and don't downshift if I just wanna slow dowm temporarily for a curve tho lol
Hi, I was watching your video with interest, and found it pretty informative, but I couldn't help feeling a little anxious watching the plants on the side of the road as you're riding and explaining the technique. I have had sheep, kangaroos and cattle hiding in the shadows leap out and try to knock me over in the past, riding in the country at least in Australia. You don't get much time to react.
Good explanation though.
Can anyone please answer me do I lean into the side I'm turning into? Like if I'm curving into right curve, do I lean my body into the curve?
Yes! Some will say to counter lean but I find when I do this, it pulls me off my line in the corner and I make a bigger arc than I want to.
Yes, at road speed you stay in line with the bike. If you aren't being super aggressive. A little bit of inside lean is ok but not really necessary for most curves or turns done within the set speed limits. Low speed turns (parking lot speeds, turning from a stop in first gear, etc. Then counter balancing makes the bike easier to turn) but that's a whole other topic.
@microatmospheremicrosend You steer left to get a right lean. Then you follow the turn by steering into the turn controlling your lead/speed.
To initiate a lean you must steer oposite of the direction you want to lean, but just for a short moment. To lean shifting your body is very ineffektive an useless in sharp turns. For the bike to stand up at constant speed you turn even hardere into the lean, you countersteer again.
@@Dingsrud ur 3yrs late...
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At the speed she is going in the video you could use any technique. And everyone countersteers when going over 15 or so mph even if they arent aware of it.
Everybody countersteers at any speed, countersteering is how you get your bike into a lean. You countersteer only for a split second.
@@kjellg6532 at very slow speeds you dont counter steer,
@@jimanders9971 Sorry, but in my opinion you are, even at 1 km/h.
Balance a broom in your hand. It is in an unstable equilibrium. You have to constantly countermove your hand. Now take your bike, drive it in a straight line at 1 km/h. Again you are unstable and have to correct. Drive in thin snow and look at your trail. Aft wheel almost a straight line, front wheel making a neat sine wave, you constantly have to bring your tyre patches in under your center of gravity, you countersteer, again and again.
Now you want to run a turn at 1 km/h, to be in balance, you need a tiny lean. To get into a lean to the right, you for a moment steer left, you countersteer to the left to go right. As soon as you have that fraction of a lean, you keep it by in the same sine motion, now with a slight low speed turn, but the countersteering is there, all the time, to keep you balanced. To end the turn, you steer even harder into the lean and the bike stands up. To ride a bike is a everlasting series of countersteering, at any speed.
@@kjellg6532 of course you have to correct but at extremely slow speeds you steer, not counter steer. Learn the difference.
@@jimanders9971 I simply disagree. You coutersteer at any speed to get into a lean, only way to effectly get into a lean. By countersteering you bring the center of gravity to one side of the bike and it starts leaning. From there on you control the lean by steering and controling the speed. If you go at constant speed and the turn is too wide, you steer out of the turn (i.e. you countersteer) to get mor lean. To make the bike stand up, you steer harder into the turn. This goes for any speed even at 1 km/h.
So what do you do if you are unfamiliar with a particular corner? How could you possibly 'plan' your apex or exit? Also, why no discussion of trail braking? This is amateur hour...
First thing to do is SLOW DOWN. I lot of people don’t and end up running off the road. I have seen crashes happen right in front of me the motorcycle ride went off the turn and crashed.
And now made in Thailand...
too many Harley riders straight up don't know how to ride their bike lmao. They still do shit like dump the bike because they don't know brakes have more stopping power (1g of force) compared to "laying 'er down"
That wasn't much of a curve, in my opinion, but' it was good advice though. And' being that I have a 2015 Fatboy, they don't do curves well at all.
"cornering".... and the opening scene is a 200 mph sweeper. Superbike school and track days... that's how you learn to corner, and it's not JUST countersteer.
I'm not a very skilled rider and still I felt this video is of no help.
OMG you didn't ride the front brake all the way thru the curve...... there's no possible way you made the curve.....movie magic
Don't ride center of the lane, that's where crap gathers and cars drop oil, center is also crowned which will make holding a line harder
Correct you slow down for the curve but as you start to lean you gently accelerate, just enough you're not coasting, then when your ready accelerate more
Start on the outside of your lane to the curve, gradually move to the inside, on public highway(same for cars) at the end of the curve is when you should be closest to inside edge of your lane
That’s not even a corner to be honest
Wrong tool for the job...get a big boy bike with some power and handling!
That was a lousy clutch release