@@Kenneth_James He corrected in a very polite manner. The only way to have possibly improved the tactfulness of the correction would have been to compliment the accuracy of the videos in general. Which is what I'm here to do. These videos are remarkably error-free. Kudos.
Fun fact - eight of the rare earth elements were discovered in/near the Swedish village of Ytterby, and four of the eight are named after it - Yttrium, Terbium, Erbium and Ytterbium.
Yttrium, terbium and erbium are cemented in my mind, but sometimes I lose track of whether 3 or 4 elements were named after the Ytterby mine. And so I have to remind myself whether Ytterbium is an element or made up in my mind to fill in the pattern.
I saw a video about why new elements are not being discovered and also about a European doing fraud in Europe, then doing it in California and then getting busted. The video talked about the discovery of elements and the majors groups (US, USSR, Some european countries) doing it.
I think an important part of the story which wasn't included is that when rare earths are always found in association with quite high concentration of thorium. When the ore is cracked the thorium is released concentrating radioactive waste material. Western countries moved away from this process but China continued. This problem presents when western countries off shore the process - there was real problems when Lynas corp moved this process to Malaysia on the early 2000s with environmental protest groups. Thus there have been multiple disincentives to mining and refining rare earths outside of China beyond scale and tech.
Yes, we have problems of radioactive discharge from the Japanese owned factory called Asian Rare Earth, located in Ipoh, West Malaysia. Due to protest and many health issues among workers and surrounding neighbourhood, this plant was forced to stop sometime in the 1990s. The problem now is dealing with the wastes which are toxic n radioactive. The storage nearby in the jungles were found to leach and it is a concern now as it may seeps into the river. Unfortunately, our Malaysian government never learnt from this predicament. It went on to grant a license to Lynas of Australia to set up a huge plant in Kuantan, Pahang state, East Coast of West Malaysia some 15years ago. Even Lynas was rejected by the Australian government to operate in Australia. Looks like Malaysia is the dumping ground for foreign hazardous materials.
One of the things i love about your work is how you consistently present fascinating background, context and detail about topics that I am aware of or even informed about, but have never dived deep into. Among my favorite youtube channels. Thank you!
FYI: Most of the LSO (namely, Lutetium) used in today's PET medical scanners are also considered "Rare Earth" materials and most come from China as well.
The world 🌎 is coughing off with blood the "cheap" russian oil. If people didn't learn the lesson - the same will soon happen with "cheap" Chinese rare earth & tech.
Much of their tech is stolen. I'm not so sure they are at the leading edge of as many things as they would like you to think. Their counterfeit, reverse engineering, and corporate espionage is probably world class.
Espionage. Read about Chinese aircraft designs, Taiwanese semiconductor stuff, etc. Their efficiency is largely attributable to their openly totalitarian government though, our Western totalitarian governments still need to feign that they are democratic - which stifles progress.
China hasnt developed any truly new technology. Most of what they have is copied (or stolen) from the west. Even this rare earth thing is not a massive leap in technology. There is no life changing new tech from China,
China said many years ago they wanted rare earths for their own industry and the rest of the world should look for their own sources (not like old China monopolies in tea and Silk) NaOH is strongest alkali/base. Excellent Asianometry video AGAIN
@@sed9406 I just meant that the rest of the world IS looking to its own resources, and likely (in the case of Australia), (much) cheaper and higher quality. It costs China US$80 to deliver a ton of Chinese Coal to Shanghai, Australian Coal costs US$25-35 shipped to the same place...
I was actually a small-time investor of the mining company, Molycorp, mentioned in the video. Lost most of my position. It is a shame that the US lost its only rare earth mining company, but it looks like sentiment in Washington is changing by getting serious about national security. Well, we will see what happens. It is possible that some better alternatives to the magnets are found, or even better magnets without the use of rare minerals.
My first and only investment in individual stocks was in a Chinese solar company that was working on vertical integration from fabrication to installation and support. I had researched several solar companies and this one looked like it had the best business plan and most experienced management. It did well until I woke up one day to see a 99% plunge due to Obama announcing a dumping claim against the company. It is almost as if the US government forgets Americans invest in companies outside of the US.
What makes you standout is that your videos cover science, technology, engineering, business as well as history. You even toch upon the environment. Perfect. 🎉
Dear Mr or Dr or Professor Asianometry or whatever your correct title is. This a superb presentation. It is lucidly and cogently presented - useful for professionals, students, hobbyists, economists and historians alike. Keep up the good work. It is a credit to you and whoever else may be involved.
Regarding wind turbines - 80% of the world's wind turbines use induction generators. Of the 20% that use rare earth magnets, most of those are from Chinese manufacturers. Offshore wind also prefers rare earth magnet generators because they are more reliable than windings and it is difficult to replace failed generators at sea.
I expected a mention of tetrataenite at the end when discussing future alternatives to rare earth permanent magnets. There was an announcement late last year that researchers at University of Cambridge and Northeastern University have developed a new, scalable method of production for it. It's an iron-nickel mineral, very rare in nature, and should be environmentally sound to manufacture.
0:14: 💡 China's ban on the export of rare earth magnet production technologies highlights their strategic importance. 4:10: 💡 Rare Earth elements are not actually rare but economically extracting and refining them is a challenge. 7:32: 🔬 Solvent extraction and ion exchange are used to refine rare Earths, with the Mountain Pass mine in California being a major source. 11:39: 🌍 China's dominance in rare earth production and magnet manufacturing has led to a brain drain and concerns about supply chain resiliency. 15:32: 🧲 Options for reducing the use of rare earth magnets and exploring alternative motor technologies. Recap by Tammy AI
I had not heard of 'Tammy AI'. Very impressive summary. Thanks for posting. Now, if it only was able to spot the error at 11:22, when it erroneously stated that sodium hydroxide is an acid, when it is actually a base
Yes, the US reopened the Mountain Pass mine to reduce the national security concerns of having to rely on China for rare earth materials. We now dig up the ore and ship it to China for refining. We do this because environmental laws don't allow refining to be done in the US economically. The solution is to have China do the refining while complaining about their lack of concern for the environment and state control of the worldwide supply. Somehow this is the same government in charge of the only superpower in the world.
Seems like it's a particularly difficult refining process. "The processes that are used right now … can be 100 steps,” Chrisey said, also noting that the procedure can be very expensive and environmentally hazardous due to the chemicals used to separate and purify the metals.-- And soon, MP Materials will no longer have to ship this mixture overseas to China for the lengthy process of separating and refining the rare earth elements. After two years of construction, the company announced in November that it is on the cusp of opening the first rare earth refinement facility within the United States at the Mountain Pass facility."
Having done some research I have come across a company called rainbow rare earths based in South Africa which is hoping to produce rare earths from gypsum stacks left over from old phosphate mines. Apparently according to the studies the firm has done should be able produce at very competitive cost to profit ratios and very low radioactive concentrations/ contamination.
Well the mining of old dumps for gold, and the profitable extraction of copper, silver and sulphuric acid from the dumps, was also a SA thing, and the end result was also that large chunks of land, all now more or less in the middle of the gold reefs, was available, plus the residue from the recovery was pumped back into the pits, both filling in the old adits, and making the ground less prone to sinkholes forming, and also keeping the local water tables free of pollution. I remember all those mine dumps being there, but now almost all are gone, replaced by housing tracts. The actual god recovery was also, because of new methods over the old mercury extraction and flotation used, actually higher than the current virgin ore being mined, despite it being already processed, and the dumps were also easier to handle, seeing as the ore was already crushed and easy to handle. Of course, you also had a good amount of both mercury and other stuff recovered, as the mine dumps were used as a catch all dumping ground by the mines.
its crazy that changing metals around can make so much difference. It feels like the outcome should be predictable, yet each time we are surprised. Chemistry and Phisics are amazing.
There is no such thing like "shipping ore to China for processing." The export processing of rare earth has long been banned in China. MP Materials launched this spin to explain their single customer single destination in China concept, while actually none of the ore they ship to China ever comes back to MP Materials as finished rare earth products. MP Materials were substantially financed by their major shareholder, a China state-controlled entity, when buying and restarting Mountain Pass. That entity holds not only just below 10% of the shares, it also holds a warrant that brings the total stake-holding closer to 20% of MP Materials.
The term "rare earth" is an old 18th century chemistry term. Almost alchemical in nature, and it causes lots of confusion, though it's very simple to understand. "Earths" were things like beach sand and quartz, silicon dioxide. These elements, though extremely abundant in the earths crust, were unobtainable in metallic form. Silica, alumina, zirconia, titania, magnesia, all of these were "earths" Carbon could not reduce them to metal, like it could do so with iron, copper, or lead. A more advanced technology was needed. Elements like lanthanum, cerium, and "didymium" (neodymium-praeseodymium mixture) resembled these earths, as they too could not be reduced to metal by carbon. Rarer than literally the most abundant elements on earth, these new earths were deemed "rare earths" now we call them lanthanides, elements like lanthanum.
People don't seem to realize that moving off of oil won't deliver the USA from international resource conflicts, it'll just change which countries we contend with.
@@crash.overridegold is the only element that humans have a record of actually recycling. Good luck thinking lithium is going to be recycled at large scale before the global supply is nearly exhausted.
Hydrocarbons are cooking the earth, so there are other very good reasons to get out from under them. But also the beneficiaries of hydrocarbons are pretty vile - Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. It would be great to be free of the baleful influence of that particular cast of characters.
They do not banned them to export, they said that they need apply for special license to export them, which means they are restricted them to sell to coutries against china, only the semi conductor chips war.
Scrapped lead-acid batteries ???? AIUI, they are one of the best examples of recycling. The lead is easily recovered. It even works on a small-scale basis quite well in underdeveloped countries like Pakistan, where such batteries are frequently 'rebuilt'.
Those guys are masters in rebuilding, but they do it in kinda backyard shops sitting in squad in the dust where they solder the lead without any respiration filter and pour the rinsing solution for cleaning somewhere, I assume in the landscape.
But how were these strange alloys like the standard neodymium magnet mix, discovered? Did they simple randomly change mixtures, and then run a battery of tests to see what it might be useful for, or was there some smart way to predict the mixtures characteristics?
Rare earth metals is widely used in audio products and almost every modern headphones and earphones contain them. Also all your electronics devices like phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, cables, chargers, adapters, circuit boards, etc. etc. would certainly contain rare earth.
My math tells me that with cheap enough energy you can desalinate seawater and extract all the rare earths, gold, even uranium from the waste salt stream. It looks like the most efficient way to do this is with ion bind and release resins. The fresh water would support agriculture and household use. I think you need next generation nuclear and solar to come up with the cheap power.
Which is why I’m investing in Lynas Rare Earth Limited. Australian company with a great balance sheet and second biggest producer of rare earth metals in the world. No brainer.
Renault Nissan Mitsubishi alliance went with electromagnet rotors on some of there EVs to be less dependant from market fluctuation on rare earth magnets pricing
Privately owned company : North American Strategic Minerals ( NASM ) has a geologic model which has resulted in the discovery of huge REE reserves in North America .
Work is fast progressing on iron nitride high strength magnets. They can be stronger than neo, more temperature resistant but at this stage much harder to make.
Would it be possible to create a solid-state magnet that did the same thing but used a small fraction of the minerals? Maybe you could dope a ceramic and cut the mineral use by 100x and get similar results.
The complaints about the ICCU to the NHTSA have been organised on the Ioniq forum as Hyundai have been stonewalling. I5 driver here in the uk. I’m leasing directly from Hyundai which at least makes me feel like they are in the hook if (when) the iccu dies. Sam didn’t even mention the weird brake light action when Regenning
Not that difficult, however we are in a market economy. How do you force companies buy from the more expensive wester suppliers and put into their products, and causing their product to be less competitive? it is gonna be a blackhole kept sucking money and it may never turn profitable. China do it with their state own business for strategic purposes. How does the west convince private companies to do that?
@@commie5211Fundamentally, tariffs, subsidies, and mandates involving government-funded purchases to kickstart large domestic demand. I know China did have at least subsidies and purchase mandates and those, combined with lower base wages and a complete lack of environmental regulations like in the west is what made Chinese mines and processing competitive. Rare earth metals are supposedly much more abundant than we think, but the processing methods used are extremely toxic.
@@tictacdude3468 Great, we hope the west can start doing that. They shipped these low profits businesses to China so that the west can move to more profitable businesses. Now it is the the reverse? China start making airplane, and the west picking up mining? What if China shipping it production to Africa? the west is gonna compete with that?
Western solar panel technology is no worse than that of China, but why is 90% of the global solar industry chain located in China? When a field or a certain region's own market accounts for half of the global market, it is impossible for any competitor outside the region to compete with it on price. This is the law of the market.
I think it's justified to country that hold rare Earth material to monopolized it, consider they're the only one that gonna get impact of mining operation,so more economic power more ability to recover the environment that damaged
would love to see a video by you covering security seals and genuine wafer marking. I know Viavi solutions and others do work in this field such as Segan Industries.
Big advantage of the ferrite magnets is that they are, to a large extent, also a ceramic, and thus an insulator, thus lower eddy current losses in use, and thus lower loss in the magnet due to induced current.
"And soon, MP Materials will no longer have to ship this mixture overseas to China for the lengthy process of separating and refining the rare earth elements. After two years of construction, the company announced in November that it is on the cusp of opening the first rare earth refinement facility within the United States at the Mountain Pass facility."
I don't think I've ever heard that pronunciation of cerium before. Is that a regional difference in pronunciation? Perhaps a pronunciation from another language? I'm genuinely curious because I like learning how different parts of the world pronounce chemical terms.
I'm guessing the etymology is Greek from "Ceres" (mother of Persephone). The Greek letter often transliterated into the Latin "C" is always pronounced similarly to a hard "K" (never a soft "C" = "S"). This means a lot of common English pronunciations of Greek origin words are technically incorrect. Cenotaph, centaur, cyan, ceramic - among many others - are most correctly pronounced with a "K" phoneme at the start, rather than an "S". Pointing this out can get you labelled a pedant and obscurantist however....
Videos like these illustrate just how much the US China economic partnership benefits America. The US gets affordable consumer goods, access to unavailable or infeasible natural resources as well as access to a burgeoning consumer market for American goods like the iPhone, Tesla cars and agricultural produce.
Or the competition between China and the United States has broken the benefits of globalization, and the United States is afraid that China, which is different from him, will gain the advantages he once had in all aspects, at least do something when he still has advantages, such as technology export restrictions, or Included in the review list to restrict imports. China, even if its target is not the United States, has to respond, including the same export restrictions, and localization of technology as much as possible. Production investment may no longer consider lower costs, but the degree of national security protection. Maybe this is the "Assume a can opener" problem.
Could you make a separate video on the education of metals chemists by country? The USA only produces triple digits of masters-degree chemists with a focus on metals per annum the last time I checked, with almost half of them working in vehicle/aerospace/shipping alloys. Additionally, (I think I found this through the Asia society but it may have been from Doomberg) hundreds of metallurgical engineers graduated in India have found highly paid work outside of India in the last year in a new field: propping up the Russian manufacturing sector.
I noticed several keyboard warriors correcting you about the sodium hydroxide. Good. Having said that, I find the idea that recycling rare earth magnets is not economically viable to be insane. Using a source that is already a rare earth magnet and turning that into a new rare earth magnet has to be a lot easier than complicated, expensive, ecologically damaging methods required to refine rare earths at concentrations of less than 50 parts per million. The only slightly challenging part of recycling rare-earth materials from e-waste is the collection and separation of materials. It just doesn't seem to be a difficult problem.
I agree. I think the general problem with most recycling, however, is economically sorting and isolating waste streams to get all of those magnets out of the products they’re used in. Imagine a recycling regime where high-performance headphones are collected and the magnets are removed for collection and then processing. Even if the collection process is perfect, how are you going to get most people to go out of their way to set their headphones apart or sort them out of the broader waste-collection system? Even if everyone does that willingly, those then have to all be disassembled - which I guess could just be crushing and passing an electromagnet over in this case - are we sure that can be done economically? I’m not trying to shut you down or be particularly negative. I just believe these are the key difficulties that any sufficient recycling effort must sufficiently address.
@@tictacdude3468 Yes, you have a point about getting the valuable material seperated from the dross, but that is the process of recycling. Most people already separate their e-waste from their other types of waste. That's more than half the work done already. I smell a huge opportunity here.
@@mykeprior3436We seem to be losing any ability we once had to recycle things efficiently. We used to recycle glass bottles by washing them out and using them again, now we melt them and make new ones at vastly higher energy cost.
At the end it is a supply chain issue, there is no point in mining if there not a refiner to sell them to, there not a point in refining if there is not a manufacturer to sell the refine materials to. It all about scale and long term investments. Qualities of the Chinese.
Small correction: Sodium Hydroxide is not an acid. Quite the contrary, it's a very strong base.
I was just about to comment on that. NaOH is probably the most common strong base used in chemistry.
@@christopherkelley2061 If you need a base stronger than a fully saturated NaOH solution at 95C you're doing some seriously questionable things! :P
Don't be that guy
@@Kenneth_James chemistry is a very serious science.
@@Kenneth_James He corrected in a very polite manner. The only way to have possibly improved the tactfulness of the correction would have been to compliment the accuracy of the videos in general. Which is what I'm here to do. These videos are remarkably error-free. Kudos.
Fun fact - eight of the rare earth elements were discovered in/near the Swedish village of Ytterby, and four of the eight are named after it - Yttrium, Terbium, Erbium and Ytterbium.
Yttrium, terbium and erbium are cemented in my mind, but sometimes I lose track of whether 3 or 4 elements were named after the Ytterby mine. And so I have to remind myself whether Ytterbium is an element or made up in my mind to fill in the pattern.
You know what? That fact *is* fun!
Interesting
I saw a video about why new elements are not being discovered and also about a European doing fraud in Europe, then doing it in California and then getting busted. The video talked about the discovery of elements and the majors groups (US, USSR, Some european countries) doing it.
Fun fact: Germanium is named after Germany but China holds most of them. And Germany probably holds less than 1 %. 🤣
11:20 - Sodium Hydroxide is not an acid, but a base (alkali).
I think an important part of the story which wasn't included is that when rare earths are always found in association with quite high concentration of thorium. When the ore is cracked the thorium is released concentrating radioactive waste material. Western countries moved away from this process but China continued. This problem presents when western countries off shore the process - there was real problems when Lynas corp moved this process to Malaysia on the early 2000s with environmental protest groups. Thus there have been multiple disincentives to mining and refining rare earths outside of China beyond scale and tech.
I agree that the radioactivity in rare earth processing is a significant issue, which may be a sigificant driver of market share.
Yes, we have problems of radioactive discharge from the Japanese owned factory called Asian Rare Earth, located in Ipoh, West Malaysia. Due to protest and many health issues among workers and surrounding neighbourhood, this plant was forced to stop sometime in the 1990s. The problem now is dealing with the wastes which are toxic n radioactive. The storage nearby in the jungles were found to leach and it is a concern now as it may seeps into the river.
Unfortunately, our Malaysian government never learnt from this predicament. It went on to grant a license to Lynas of Australia to set up a huge plant in Kuantan, Pahang state, East Coast of West Malaysia some 15years ago.
Even Lynas was rejected by the Australian government to operate in Australia.
Looks like Malaysia is the dumping ground for foreign hazardous materials.
The primary type of radiation don't penetrate the skin (alpha). And we should be using the Thorium as fuel.
@@foondavid The real problem is the bad management of it. Alot of these harm can be avoided with proper technology but they cheap out on it.
@@tillmanadkins713 probably won't be good if it leaches into the drinking water tho
One of the things i love about your work is how you consistently present fascinating background, context and detail about topics that I am aware of or even informed about, but have never dived deep into. Among my favorite youtube channels. Thank you!
Thanks!
FYI: Most of the LSO (namely, Lutetium) used in today's PET medical scanners are also considered "Rare Earth" materials and most come from China as well.
The world 🌎 is coughing off with blood the "cheap" russian oil. If people didn't learn the lesson - the same will soon happen with "cheap" Chinese rare earth & tech.
Videos on china are so interesting. The stories of how they pulled off massive leaps in technology are insane.
by stealing both the technology and tempting disenfrachised straight whiite males, those kicked out because of "diversity".
Much of their tech is stolen. I'm not so sure they are at the leading edge of as many things as they would like you to think. Their counterfeit, reverse engineering, and corporate espionage is probably world class.
Espionage.
Read about Chinese aircraft designs, Taiwanese semiconductor stuff, etc. Their efficiency is largely attributable to their openly totalitarian government though, our Western totalitarian governments still need to feign that they are democratic - which stifles progress.
China hasnt developed any truly new technology. Most of what they have is copied (or stolen) from the west. Even this rare earth thing is not a massive leap in technology.
There is no life changing new tech from China,
By stealing everything from the west? Wow, so good!
China said many years ago they wanted rare earths for their own industry and the rest of the world should look for their own sources (not like old China monopolies in tea and Silk) NaOH is strongest alkali/base.
Excellent Asianometry video AGAIN
Australia: Be careful what you wish for...🌏
@@endintiersChina has been kind enough. Huawei was banned in 2016. They wait a long time to retaliate.
@@sed9406 I just meant that the rest of the world IS looking to its own resources, and likely (in the case of Australia), (much) cheaper and higher quality.
It costs China US$80 to deliver a ton of Chinese Coal to Shanghai, Australian Coal costs US$25-35 shipped to the same place...
Robotic Trucks, Robotic Trains, etc. etc.
I was actually a small-time investor of the mining company, Molycorp, mentioned in the video. Lost most of my position. It is a shame that the US lost its only rare earth mining company, but it looks like sentiment in Washington is changing by getting serious about national security. Well, we will see what happens. It is possible that some better alternatives to the magnets are found, or even better magnets without the use of rare minerals.
How did you lose your shares?
I'm sorry that happened to you. Wish you thebest.
@@d0lvl0You lose shares when the company goes bankrupt (ergo shares drop to $0 value).
My first and only investment in individual stocks was in a Chinese solar company that was working on vertical integration from fabrication to installation and support. I had researched several solar companies and this one looked like it had the best business plan and most experienced management. It did well until I woke up one day to see a 99% plunge due to Obama announcing a dumping claim against the company. It is almost as if the US government forgets Americans invest in companies outside of the US.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 Investing American dollars in America's rival and expecting America to not try to supress said rival seems short sighted.
*New Asianometry video*
*Dopamine hits*
What makes you standout is that your videos cover science, technology, engineering, business as well as history. You even toch upon the environment. Perfect. 🎉
Dear Mr or Dr or Professor Asianometry or whatever your correct title is.
This a superb presentation. It is lucidly and cogently presented - useful for professionals, students, hobbyists, economists and historians alike.
Keep up the good work. It is a credit to you and whoever else may be involved.
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I'm tired of listen to the news and they don't have a clue of what they're talking about.
Regarding wind turbines - 80% of the world's wind turbines use induction generators. Of the 20% that use rare earth magnets, most of those are from Chinese manufacturers. Offshore wind also prefers rare earth magnet generators because they are more reliable than windings and it is difficult to replace failed generators at sea.
This was excellent - as usual. I learned a lot. Thank you for the high quality content. 👍
I expected a mention of tetrataenite at the end when discussing future alternatives to rare earth permanent magnets. There was an announcement late last year that researchers at University of Cambridge and Northeastern University have developed a new, scalable method of production for it. It's an iron-nickel mineral, very rare in nature, and should be environmentally sound to manufacture.
0:14: 💡 China's ban on the export of rare earth magnet production technologies highlights their strategic importance.
4:10: 💡 Rare Earth elements are not actually rare but economically extracting and refining them is a challenge.
7:32: 🔬 Solvent extraction and ion exchange are used to refine rare Earths, with the Mountain Pass mine in California being a major source.
11:39: 🌍 China's dominance in rare earth production and magnet manufacturing has led to a brain drain and concerns about supply chain resiliency.
15:32: 🧲 Options for reducing the use of rare earth magnets and exploring alternative motor technologies.
Recap by Tammy AI
I had not heard of 'Tammy AI'. Very impressive summary. Thanks for posting.
Now, if it only was able to spot the error at 11:22, when it erroneously stated that sodium hydroxide is an acid, when it is actually a base
Not to mention that the environmentalists in the west will protest and start complaining about radioactive pollution
Yes, the US reopened the Mountain Pass mine to reduce the national security concerns of having to rely on China for rare earth materials. We now dig up the ore and ship it to China for refining.
We do this because environmental laws don't allow refining to be done in the US economically. The solution is to have China do the refining while complaining about their lack of concern for the environment and state control of the worldwide supply.
Somehow this is the same government in charge of the only superpower in the world.
Goofy isn't it? but in the 2020 decade that is what we are known for.
Seems like it's a particularly difficult refining process.
"The processes that are used right now … can be 100 steps,” Chrisey said, also noting that the procedure can be very expensive and environmentally hazardous due to the chemicals used to separate and purify the metals.--
And soon, MP Materials will no longer have to ship this mixture overseas to China for the lengthy process of separating and refining the rare earth elements. After two years of construction, the company announced in November that it is on the cusp of opening the first rare earth refinement facility within the United States at the Mountain Pass facility."
"Somehow" ikr😆
@@downstream0114 hehe a 100 steps thats not that much, have you seen how many steps it takes to create any pharmaceutical
@@mookisabatuki4201 That's very different to ore processing.
Having done some research I have come across a company called rainbow rare earths based in South Africa which is hoping to produce rare earths from gypsum stacks left over from old phosphate mines. Apparently according to the studies the firm has done should be able produce at very competitive cost to profit ratios and very low radioactive concentrations/ contamination.
Well the mining of old dumps for gold, and the profitable extraction of copper, silver and sulphuric acid from the dumps, was also a SA thing, and the end result was also that large chunks of land, all now more or less in the middle of the gold reefs, was available, plus the residue from the recovery was pumped back into the pits, both filling in the old adits, and making the ground less prone to sinkholes forming, and also keeping the local water tables free of pollution. I remember all those mine dumps being there, but now almost all are gone, replaced by housing tracts. The actual god recovery was also, because of new methods over the old mercury extraction and flotation used, actually higher than the current virgin ore being mined, despite it being already processed, and the dumps were also easier to handle, seeing as the ore was already crushed and easy to handle. Of course, you also had a good amount of both mercury and other stuff recovered, as the mine dumps were used as a catch all dumping ground by the mines.
Magnequench made the magnets used in the first cordless power tools with rare earth magnet motors, produced by Porter-Cable in the early 1990s.
Anyone heard of MP materials? They are reshoring the mining, processing and production of magnets to California and Texas.
Yes they reopened the Mt. Pass mine.
Non Chinese magnet manufacturers cant nake magnets without seperated tb and dy from China
I hope we now get a series on magnets to complement the semiconductors series.
This guy is insane. He knows everything. He could be an AI.
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Sodium Hydroxide is not an acid
its crazy that changing metals around can make so much difference. It feels like the outcome should be predictable, yet each time we are surprised. Chemistry and Phisics are amazing.
The market for rare earth magnets must be very attractive. One can see why China would want to be in this field.
Iron nitride and tetrataenite (iron nickel alloy) are strong alternatives to rare earth magnets! Please do a video on them!
Wow what a well studied video. And such relevance with the advent of EVs.
I love this channel, amazing stuff.
There is no such thing like "shipping ore to China for processing." The export processing of rare earth has long been banned in China. MP Materials launched this spin to explain their single customer single destination in China concept, while actually none of the ore they ship to China ever comes back to MP Materials as finished rare earth products. MP Materials were substantially financed by their major shareholder, a China state-controlled entity, when buying and restarting Mountain Pass. That entity holds not only just below 10% of the shares, it also holds a warrant that brings the total stake-holding closer to 20% of MP Materials.
Europe has a new mine in scandinavia too.great video:)
The term "rare earth" is an old 18th century chemistry term. Almost alchemical in nature, and it causes lots of confusion, though it's very simple to understand. "Earths" were things like beach sand and quartz, silicon dioxide. These elements, though extremely abundant in the earths crust, were unobtainable in metallic form. Silica, alumina, zirconia, titania, magnesia, all of these were "earths" Carbon could not reduce them to metal, like it could do so with iron, copper, or lead. A more advanced technology was needed. Elements like lanthanum, cerium, and "didymium" (neodymium-praeseodymium mixture) resembled these earths, as they too could not be reduced to metal by carbon. Rarer than literally the most abundant elements on earth, these new earths were deemed "rare earths" now we call them lanthanides, elements like lanthanum.
Great topic, and great analysis!
People don't seem to realize that moving off of oil won't deliver the USA from international resource conflicts, it'll just change which countries we contend with.
People don't seem to realize a great many things
True, but oil is a consumable that gets combusted, whereas lithium etc al. last many charge cycles and should be recyclable.
@@crash.override Tin caused conflicts in the ancient Brinze Age world despite being reused abd recycled more than lithium
@@crash.overridegold is the only element that humans have a record of actually recycling. Good luck thinking lithium is going to be recycled at large scale before the global supply is nearly exhausted.
Hydrocarbons are cooking the earth, so there are other very good reasons to get out from under them. But also the beneficiaries of hydrocarbons are pretty vile - Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. It would be great to be free of the baleful influence of that particular cast of characters.
The easiest thing to solve this problem is not trying to attack China with any chance you get. 😂
This channel is off the fn chain
They do not banned them to export, they said that they need apply for special license to export them, which means they are restricted them to sell to coutries against china, only the semi conductor chips war.
Scrapped lead-acid batteries ???? AIUI, they are one of the best examples of recycling. The lead is easily recovered. It even works on a small-scale basis quite well in underdeveloped countries like Pakistan, where such batteries are frequently 'rebuilt'.
Those guys are masters in rebuilding, but they do it in kinda backyard shops sitting in squad in the dust where they solder the lead without any respiration filter and pour the rinsing solution for cleaning somewhere, I assume in the landscape.
@@matneu27 It's crazy but it keep stuff on the road.
@@grahamstevenson1740 And keeps them and others in their neighbourhoods in the hospital.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn You mean by lead poisoning ? There's no actual evidence of that. Much worse was dome in early industrial times.
But how were these strange alloys like the standard neodymium magnet mix, discovered? Did they simple randomly change mixtures, and then run a battery of tests to see what it might be useful for, or was there some smart way to predict the mixtures characteristics?
This video was a rare opportunity to mention Greenland, which you missed it 😜, and NaOH is a base not an acid. But good, generally. Kudos.
Magnets are so neat.
Now Chinese knows they should ban refinery as well
China has double the share of renewable energy minerals supply chain as Saudi Arabia has of world oil supply.
excellent presentation... at last a commentator who knows how to pronounce the english language correctly, very easy listening
alnico is used in guitar pickups, so all that great music you have heard was guitar strings through magnets then through speaker magnets!
Rare earth metals is widely used in audio products and almost every modern headphones and earphones contain them. Also all your electronics devices like phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, cables, chargers, adapters, circuit boards, etc. etc. would certainly contain rare earth.
I remember when the Hunt Brothers thought they could corner the Silver market. Every granny cashed in her sterling silver and the price crashed.
My math tells me that with cheap enough energy you can desalinate seawater and extract all the rare earths, gold, even uranium from the waste salt stream. It looks like the most efficient way to do this is with ion bind and release resins. The fresh water would support agriculture and household use. I think you need next generation nuclear and solar to come up with the cheap power.
what does the rare earth mine in china do with the thorium
Suggestion: Building up from magnets to motors, can you do one on axial flux motors?
Welcome to Australia! We're pretty cool. We even vaguely think we're Austro-Asian, when it seems ok to do so.
Australian company Iluka is operating a rare earths mine in Western Australia. They plan to build a refining plant by the end of 2026.
16:08 lead acid car batteries are the most recycled item in the world. Almost 99.9% of that acid batteries are recycled.
Which is why I’m investing in Lynas Rare Earth Limited. Australian company with a great balance sheet and second biggest producer of rare earth metals in the world. No brainer.
Great strategy China🤙
Sodium hydroxide is a base, not an acid, right?
Yeah NaOH is pretty based.
yah, a bit weird to use that as an acid, unless the environment it's in is even more basic.
Basically a big fat no.
today news(2023.7.4) :china limit rare earth export
I see what you did there. Nice wordplay
Nothing gets past this guy 😁
Comments on 11:24 show that the class is paying attention. Well done asianomics viewers. Great video - yet again 🏆
Renault Nissan Mitsubishi alliance went with electromagnet rotors on some of there EVs to be less dependant from market fluctuation on rare earth magnets pricing
Privately owned company : North American Strategic Minerals ( NASM ) has a geologic model which has resulted in the discovery of huge REE reserves in North America .
Correction at 11:23 sodium hydroxide is not an acid
Work is fast progressing on iron nitride high strength magnets. They can be stronger than neo, more temperature resistant but at this stage much harder to make.
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11:17 who's "We"?
Would it be possible to create a solid-state magnet that did the same thing but used a small fraction of the minerals? Maybe you could dope a ceramic and cut the mineral use by 100x and get similar results.
Or Neodymium grip, amirite?
Another excellent video. Many thanks for the valuable information. 😊
The complaints about the ICCU to the NHTSA have been organised on the Ioniq forum as Hyundai have been stonewalling.
I5 driver here in the uk. I’m leasing directly from Hyundai which at least makes me feel like they are in the hook if (when) the iccu dies.
Sam didn’t even mention the weird brake light action when Regenning
Another banger!!!!
on 8/1/2023 China start control export Galium,germanium to USA
Can you do a video on the application of Gallium and Germanium in semiconductor process, the two elements China essentially banned the export on?
not a ban, just export control for national security purpose.
@@xuansu9036 good luck getting the approval
Fun Fact: Rare Earth was the first White band signed by Motown.
11:32 An acid like sodium hydroxide ??
In theory, how difficult would it be to replicate the RE magnet production technologies in the West?
If america performs corporate espionage like China does it shouldn't be very hard to get the literature
Not that difficult, however we are in a market economy. How do you force companies buy from the more expensive wester suppliers and put into their products, and causing their product to be less competitive? it is gonna be a blackhole kept sucking money and it may never turn profitable. China do it with their state own business for strategic purposes. How does the west convince private companies to do that?
@@commie5211Fundamentally, tariffs, subsidies, and mandates involving government-funded purchases to kickstart large domestic demand.
I know China did have at least subsidies and purchase mandates and those, combined with lower base wages and a complete lack of environmental regulations like in the west is what made Chinese mines and processing competitive. Rare earth metals are supposedly much more abundant than we think, but the processing methods used are extremely toxic.
@@tictacdude3468 Great, we hope the west can start doing that. They shipped these low profits businesses to China so that the west can move to more profitable businesses. Now it is the the reverse? China start making airplane, and the west picking up mining? What if China shipping it production to Africa? the west is gonna compete with that?
Western solar panel technology is no worse than that of China, but why is 90% of the global solar industry chain located in China?
When a field or a certain region's own market accounts for half of the global market, it is impossible for any competitor outside the region to compete with it on price. This is the law of the market.
I think it's justified to country that hold rare Earth material to monopolized it, consider they're the only one that gonna get impact of mining operation,so more economic power more ability to recover the environment that damaged
would love to see a video by you covering security seals and genuine wafer marking. I know Viavi solutions and others do work in this field such as Segan Industries.
Big advantage of the ferrite magnets is that they are, to a large extent, also a ceramic, and thus an insulator, thus lower eddy current losses in use, and thus lower loss in the magnet due to induced current.
nice video, keep it up
@16:41 - Thank you so much for saying "1/10 as strong" and not the cringy abomination of "10 times weaker" *shudder*
The US really needs to get its act together.
"And soon, MP Materials will no longer have to ship this mixture overseas to China for the lengthy process of separating and refining the rare earth elements. After two years of construction, the company announced in November that it is on the cusp of opening the first rare earth refinement facility within the United States at the Mountain Pass facility."
No chance without a spiritual revival
@@100c0c sounds good!
@@gonebamboo4116 is the CCP spiritual?
Brightest minds are too busy in imposing sanctions and regime change.
I don't think I've ever heard that pronunciation of cerium before. Is that a regional difference in pronunciation? Perhaps a pronunciation from another language? I'm genuinely curious because I like learning how different parts of the world pronounce chemical terms.
I'm guessing the etymology is Greek from "Ceres" (mother of Persephone). The Greek letter often transliterated into the Latin "C" is always pronounced similarly to a hard "K" (never a soft "C" = "S"). This means a lot of common English pronunciations of Greek origin words are technically incorrect. Cenotaph, centaur, cyan, ceramic - among many others - are most correctly pronounced with a "K" phoneme at the start, rather than an "S".
Pointing this out can get you labelled a pedant and obscurantist however....
Brilliant👍🙏
When development of magnetic high entropy alloys or iron nitride magnets happen we are cookin baby
I am told that switched reluctance motors are the mythical holy grail of motor tech but are too hard somehow..
Sodium hydroxide is an alkali. I try to stay neutral, but pHhhhhh...(Love the video, btw)
Videos like these illustrate just how much the US China economic partnership benefits America. The US gets affordable consumer goods, access to unavailable or infeasible natural resources as well as access to a burgeoning consumer market for American goods like the iPhone, Tesla cars and agricultural produce.
18? Why do I only see 17?
Or the competition between China and the United States has broken the benefits of globalization, and the United States is afraid that China, which is different from him, will gain the advantages he once had in all aspects, at least do something when he still has advantages, such as technology export restrictions, or Included in the review list to restrict imports. China, even if its target is not the United States, has to respond, including the same export restrictions, and localization of technology as much as possible.
Production investment may no longer consider lower costs, but the degree of national security protection. Maybe this is the "Assume a can opener" problem.
Wonder what took them so long.
I would have done it ages ago, given how US has been treating them
Do it when fully ready for all counters and by time for strengthen yourself.
@@vc4510
That's for sure. Intimidation has been working until it downstairs anymore
5:55 "Great mustache." LOL
Could you make a separate video on the education of metals chemists by country? The USA only produces triple digits of masters-degree chemists with a focus on metals per annum the last time I checked, with almost half of them working in vehicle/aerospace/shipping alloys.
Additionally, (I think I found this through the Asia society but it may have been from Doomberg) hundreds of metallurgical engineers graduated in India have found highly paid work outside of India in the last year in a new field: propping up the Russian manufacturing sector.
I noticed several keyboard warriors correcting you about the sodium hydroxide. Good.
Having said that, I find the idea that recycling rare earth magnets is not economically viable to be insane. Using a source that is already a rare earth magnet and turning that into a new rare earth magnet has to be a lot easier than complicated, expensive, ecologically damaging methods required to refine rare earths at concentrations of less than 50 parts per million. The only slightly challenging part of recycling rare-earth materials from e-waste is the collection and separation of materials. It just doesn't seem to be a difficult problem.
I agree. I think the general problem with most recycling, however, is economically sorting and isolating waste streams to get all of those magnets out of the products they’re used in.
Imagine a recycling regime where high-performance headphones are collected and the magnets are removed for collection and then processing. Even if the collection process is perfect, how are you going to get most people to go out of their way to set their headphones apart or sort them out of the broader waste-collection system? Even if everyone does that willingly, those then have to all be disassembled - which I guess could just be crushing and passing an electromagnet over in this case - are we sure that can be done economically?
I’m not trying to shut you down or be particularly negative. I just believe these are the key difficulties that any sufficient recycling effort must sufficiently address.
@@tictacdude3468 Yes, you have a point about getting the valuable material seperated from the dross, but that is the process of recycling. Most people already separate their e-waste from their other types of waste. That's more than half the work done already. I smell a huge opportunity here.
I mean. The shit is magnetic....wouldn't be that hard to seperate out of ground up waste on a belt.
@@mykeprior3436We seem to be losing any ability we once had to recycle things efficiently. We used to recycle glass bottles by washing them out and using them again, now we melt them and make new ones at vastly higher energy cost.
At the end it is a supply chain issue, there is no point in mining if there not a refiner to sell them to, there not a point in refining if there is not a manufacturer to sell the refine materials to. It all about scale and long term investments. Qualities of the Chinese.
Sodium hydroxide is an alkaline not an acid.
_Magnets! How do they work?_
So, that'show they work!
Seeing how SSD's are becoming so cheap, magnetic hard drives are becoming obsolete.
Iron grip? More like magnetic grip, eh 👉👉
China's grip on the industry is going to have to be a nonissue going forward, least for the US.
The s in Welsbach is proounced as an s sound, not, as you did, a "sh" sound, like in "shark".