"She might have been a CEO, rather than a mobster." Well, there are certainly some similarities between the two roles. Seriously though, quite an interesting character.
Part of me reminded me of a major theme of Goodfellas, where we see mobsters being portrayed as living in an ideal 1950's American Middleclass despite being horrible people (That and the film being a deconstruction of Godfather's "honor-bound mobster", I know they don't show it as a good thing and ended with Michael's life in shambles but it does dramatize Mafia).
There’s a movie about this! Called “Hoodlum” with Lawrence Fishburn as “Bumpy Johnson”(the man who’s take over Madams operation) and the same Bumpy Johnson would end up leaving his operation to Frank Lucas, a huge Heroin and Dope kingpin in Harlem and NYC. There’s also a movie about him called “American Gangster” so in some ways Hoodlum is like a prequel to American Gangster
You know I've never thought about the idea of generational organized crime. I was surprised to learn that Frank Lucas only died as recently as 2019. I wonder if anyone took over for him, or if the operation just dissolved into a number of competing hands.
@@FpsGamer43 Actually the operation was passed down into two hands which eventually got subsumed into Albo Martinez crack empire which eventually got broken down into alot of competiting hands and orgnizations in harlem and the Bronx. WHICH ARE STILL AROUND TODAY. Thats NY for yall
I wonder how dark the dark side of her business got, this feels pretty romanticized. You know, like the whole "Jewish Pirates" things did until they hard stopped and reminded people that piracy was not the romantic nonsense we tend to think of, but actually a brutal "business" that took advantage of any "merchandise" available. Legal or otherwise.
The video mentions the numbers racket was the least harmful organized crime activity, relatively speaking. It was an illegal lottery, that got violent mainly because they fighting over turf.
Yeah, I'm all for more female role models. A criminal painted as a badass for "getting away with it" and painted as sympathetic for being robbed by 'literally hitler' isn't one I'd pick, even if the system back in the day wasn't exactly conducive towards legal means of success. Regardless, it makes a nice story, but the framing at the end is an eyebrow-raiser personally.
We got something like that in Brazil, we call "Animal Game": You pick any animal from a chart and make a bet; if your animal gets chosen in that same day, you win. It's illegal of course, but still in pratice since the late 1800s, mostly in the "favelas".
I've even heard about the number 24 being denounced as "gay" which to me is dumb af. First off, they denounce it as "gay" like it's a bad thing, straight men need to get over themselves and not be such a baby about a number. Second off... no wait that pretty much covers it.
The movie "Hoodlum" (1997) is about this exact subject, check it out. Cicely Tyson plays St Clair, Andy Garcia plays Lucky Luciano and Laurence Fishburne plays Bumpy Johnson. It's a pretty damn good movie actually.
This was a really interesting watch for me because it ties so closely to my own past. If my mother is to be believed, my great-grandparents were members of Schultz's rumrunning operations.
An absolute beast! 1st learned of her in the movie Hoodlum, played by the late great Cicely Tyson. She's such a fascinating figure, and hopefully she gets her own movie or show at some point.
Canada also refuses to apologise for the genocide and ongoing oppression of natives, as demonstrated by its refusal to reveal how many cemeteries of murdered kidnapped children exist throughout the country.
"Given different circumstances, she might've been a CEO rather than a gangster" ...are you presenting that as a good thing? Gangsters and CEOs are really not good people, but gangsters are probably more honest.
@@wylanvallotton4462 Listen here, you got 2 weeks to get me the meatball money or its your kneecaps! vs What do you mean you should have benefits? You work 38 hours a week, not 40! By the way, work overtime this week or you're fired.
All throughout this episode in the back of my mind I heard one song playing constantly, "Grandma Plays the Numbers". Heard that song so many times playing Fallout 4 I've picked up the odd verse or two in my memory. Also one thing I've learned watching all these history episodes is this, don't mess with a person who's determined to do something and has the means or connections to do so!!
Hi I'm new to the channel and found you when I was researching the history of genghis kahn but im loving the show I'm getting through your playlist fast I can't get enough. I was wondering whether you will be doing anything on achilles or other historic warriors/ gladiators
"Given a different time she might have been a CEO instead of a gangster" The implication being that the skillsets once utilized by criminals is highly beneficial in today's corporate career path.
So St. Claire worked with Bumpy Johnson… who mentored Frank Lucas of “American Gangster” fame? One of the most successful drug kings in US history? Did Lucas ever meet St. Claire?
Lucas barely knew bumpy, he claims he was his driver and bodyguard but bumpy drove his own car and his wife said lucas was pretty much a flunky at that point
@@Jordan-ep8vx Well somebody read the book. And to add on to that, Bumpy was never out of prison for more than 10 years at a time for Lucas to be his driver for as long as he claims.
This was great as usual. Just in case people are unaware, there is a series chronicling the escapades of Bumpy Johnson, called "Godfather of Harlem" and it is absolutely excellent TV in my opinion. They take liberties with the history to make it more engaging, but it's a good watch none the less.
I know what you’re trying to say, but the average bad cop back, then was on a whole other ultra level evil than the average but more rare bad cops today. it may seem hard to believe but the level of violence and people looking the other way, as well as mass corruption just doesn’t compare. Cops could routinely beat suspects or people they didn’t like to a bloody pulp. No one would protest, and nothing would happen to them. It was just considered life. It was so bad that’s when people truly were afraid of the police because no one would speak up or talk back about it. They knew they would be killed next or beaten to the point where they regretted it, and never complained again. In a lot of places it was just out in the open. They thought they were untouchable. Whereas today people claim they’re terrified of the police, but yell and throw insults at them because they know they’re not gonna really get hurt in a lot of cases or they can sue if they do. Number of people that are abused by the police today is only a drop in the bucket compared to what used to happen in the mobster era. Most People today don’t know what “real“police brutality looks like. Just speaking up put you next on the list to either be intimidated, to be quiet or to disappear. Spit on a cop then you would be beaten to death. Today cops get spit on all the time. Things are far from perfect that’s for sure, but we have to admit they have improved A LOT. (There’s still a ways to go.)
What a story I mean I loved all of this very informative❣️👏🏾👏🏾 lynae vanee Mentioned this woman's name in one of her great posts and I researched it further, Coming across your great video, And love the graphics ❣️❣️ And this Woman's life story is surely a film in the making??!!
Im not sure I like this episode. Especially the part around 2:00 where you point out how positive winning the numbers game was for the poorer participants. You do know how gambling works, right? Because from the context you provided, St Clair exploitet the gambling addiction of poorer and mostly black people and got rich from it. Doing community work seems kind of cynical when you make your money like this. I am looking forward to more episodes that battle the marginalization of women and religious and ethnical minorities, but it cant be that hard to show that there were female and black mobsters and STILL point out that they were...yknow, bad people?
Here in Brazil we have a similar "numbers" but with animals, name as "jogo do bicho". The owners or "bicheiros" used to be the most powerfuls criminals in Rio de Janeiro, before drug traffickers and militias
Criminals being charitable or activists mainly to draw public support/distract from their crime isn’t that strange. Pablo Escobar, Al Capone etc. did the same thing.
@@Lord1885 It wouldn't matter either way. It is always the poor from any community that suffer the most from criminality and you can rest assured that the poor from this woman's community were the ones to suffer. All this race grifting is there to get all the poor, last time I checked poor wasn't a race.
@@justwhenyouthought6119 Last time I checked, racism played big fucking role in putting specific people in "poor" category, Tulsa massacre being head-to-the-wall most obvious and blatant example, what happens when poor people of specific race try to make something of themselves and Play by the rules of the game. But rules aren't made for them. Gentryfication, Police brutality, educational discrimination despite of Afformitive Action are just tools showing us, that yes indeed, for some people poor is race and race is class.
Well, some of them are the ones who are all put out over EC saying things like "don't make a game that can randomly assign players to Team Real Life Evil," or "don't make being evil a biological trait of a species."
@@ACDBunnie Only that Al Capone was extremely good at being a generally good guy, until the Valentines Massacre, that is. But he had another advantage: That he ran a criminal enterprise that showed the government the finger during the prohibition. Had he been another drugboss, he would have never gotten that much notoriety and popularity people saw him as a barkeep, who, as long as you keep out of his way, gives you alcohol. Again, until the Valentines Massacre. People really had a problem with that
@Eve Angélique Honestly, determination would have been to actually at least TRY to find honest work, and REAL determination would have lived a few harassments, as harsh as it sounds and actually is, but thats why it is admirable, everybody would be "determined" if it was easy
Just to clear things up, the reason why Luciano was against the unsanctioned hit on Thomas Dewey was because he feared that it would lead to retaliation by the Federal government.
"Given a different time and circumstances she might have been a CEO rather than a monster." No, she would have still been a monster, even if she was a CEO. She'd probably be responsible for dumping toxic waste in the drinking water supply or something
I feel this needs to be said bc a lot of people seem to be forgetting this. *SHE WAS A MURDERER WHO MURDERED FOR MONEY AND WAS ALSO A HYPOCRITE.* She was not a good person. You can't be a gangster killing people over money and be a good person. Yes she was an advocate but she also used the broken system of bribery to run her *CRIME* organization which is massively hypocritical. And no I'm not saying this bc she's a woman, if anyone did this they'd be a bad person whether or not they're a man or woman or both or nither. Being a piece of shit is *unisex.* So please can we remember, violence is bad. No matter who commits it. Do not worship violence.
Is a completely unrelated to the video but I think you should do a bit about sir nigle gresley since he is an inspirational character slash person to me since he designed flying Scotsman and mallard
I remember that she was featured in a film about Bumpy Johnson years ago. Can't remember the name. But it would be great if someone did a film about her.
Can’t wait for the Netflix Original Series
Can't wait for Netflix to sue EC for 'copying their original series'.
Hey, nettflix could finally cast historical figure for the right color!
This seems like a joke that I don't get
Read my mind!!
@Joseph Nguyen
The only way they could wokify this is if they give her superpowers and she takes over the world.
Sounds funny rather than sucky, lol.
"She might've been a CEO rather than a mobster."
Well, they do have similar skillsets.
Naw, she seemed to care about the little folk (a bit at least)
Nah, Mobsters know better than to drain the community entirely dry.
As a business admin major, who grew up down the road from an open-air drug market, can confirm, but at least she wasn't a politician.
A mobster is just a businessman who can't resort to state sanctioned violence so they make their own.
@@TheWinterscoming So do all of the rich. Not having those you expolit wanting you dead helps them stay in power.
"She might have been a CEO, rather than a mobster."
Well, there are certainly some similarities between the two roles.
Seriously though, quite an interesting character.
"some similarities"? Come on! The only difference is which side of the law they are.
Girlboss
@@ghyslainabel Well there is a difference between a visit from a lawyer and as Troubleshooter
Part of me reminded me of a major theme of Goodfellas, where we see mobsters being portrayed as living in an ideal 1950's American Middleclass despite being horrible people (That and the film being a deconstruction of Godfather's "honor-bound mobster", I know they don't show it as a good thing and ended with Michael's life in shambles but it does dramatize Mafia).
CEO is more like Mob Boss
So she quit a life as a cleaning lady, only to make her career taking others to the cleaners?
🤔😏🤨😁
Madame St. Clair "Well, I'm done cleaning up..."
*Sees Dutch Schulz*
"Well I guess I can clean him out..."
Nobody forced them to place a bet
Golden
😂
There’s a movie about this!
Called “Hoodlum” with Lawrence Fishburn as “Bumpy Johnson”(the man who’s take over Madams operation) and the same Bumpy Johnson would end up leaving his operation to Frank Lucas, a huge Heroin and Dope kingpin in Harlem and NYC. There’s also a movie about him called “American Gangster” so in some ways Hoodlum is like a prequel to American Gangster
I remember that movie, but wasn't sure if it was based on fact or was completely fictional
oh cool.
You know I've never thought about the idea of generational organized crime. I was surprised to learn that Frank Lucas only died as recently as 2019. I wonder if anyone took over for him, or if the operation just dissolved into a number of competing hands.
Yeah, its an ok movie...not very accurate to the actual history, but an enjoyable film nonentheless.
@@FpsGamer43 Actually the operation was passed down into two hands which eventually got subsumed into Albo Martinez crack empire which eventually got broken down into alot of competiting hands and orgnizations in harlem and the Bronx. WHICH ARE STILL AROUND TODAY. Thats NY for yall
I wonder how dark the dark side of her business got, this feels pretty romanticized.
You know, like the whole "Jewish Pirates" things did until they hard stopped and reminded people that piracy was not the romantic nonsense we tend to think of, but actually a brutal "business" that took advantage of any "merchandise" available. Legal or otherwise.
The video mentions the numbers racket was the least harmful organized crime activity, relatively speaking. It was an illegal lottery, that got violent mainly because they fighting over turf.
Yeah, I'm all for more female role models. A criminal painted as a badass for "getting away with it" and painted as sympathetic for being robbed by 'literally hitler' isn't one I'd pick, even if the system back in the day wasn't exactly conducive towards legal means of success. Regardless, it makes a nice story, but the framing at the end is an eyebrow-raiser personally.
I found it weird that they romanticized gambling this much, frankly.
The out right side she had her lt run a shooting war in the streets bad enough a mobboss sided with her over his own people
the fact that there are bright sides to her operation at all is better than you could say about most mob bosses
Honestly, we need a whole series on the gangsters and crime syndicates.
They need to do the St Valentines Day Massacre next then. Maybe have it as an episode about the Bugs Moran/Al Capone feud.
Boardwalk Empire.
We got something like that in Brazil, we call "Animal Game": You pick any animal from a chart and make a bet; if your animal gets chosen in that same day, you win. It's illegal of course, but still in pratice since the late 1800s, mostly in the "favelas".
pensei na mesma coisa
But do you back 24?
I've even heard about the number 24 being denounced as "gay" which to me is dumb af. First off, they denounce it as "gay" like it's a bad thing, straight men need to get over themselves and not be such a baby about a number. Second off... no wait that pretty much covers it.
What are the favelas?
@@Insanonaga Brazilian slums or something
I would love to watch a gangster movie based on this, and I'm not a big movie person or a big gangster movie person.
The movie "Hoodlum" (1997) is about this exact subject, check it out. Cicely Tyson plays St Clair, Andy Garcia plays Lucky Luciano and Laurence Fishburne plays Bumpy Johnson. It's a pretty damn good movie actually.
Queen Latifa plz
There is!! "Hoodlum" starring Lawrence Fishbourne, Tim Roth and Cicely Tyson as Sinclair is exactly about this. Excellent movie.
@@Su1c1deK1ng1028 just saw the trailer, it's about the men mentioned. Would like a movie on St Clair
You could watch the godfather of harlem it main character is bumpy johnson
Welp, I'm guessing that Stephanie St. Clair inspired Mariah Dillard (Luke Cage). She needs her own gangster film.
Yes! I would absolutely watch that
Hoodlum
Ah, victory by default, the best kind of victory.
If you like this story, watch the movie "Hoodlum". Morpheus plays Bumpy Johnson. It's badass
Great movie.
Bumpy Johnson is also the boss in American Gangster FYI
Watch Godfather of Harlem on EPIX too
Well, this episode made me realize there was so much more to that song "Grandma's Playin' the Numbers".
Fallout fan hype
Y’all really did good on covering Queenie’s life as a mob boss I loved every second of the video.
This was a really interesting watch for me because it ties so closely to my own past. If my mother is to be believed, my great-grandparents were members of Schultz's rumrunning operations.
Bumpy Johnson is a hell of a nickname.
The man's parents landed him with 'Elsworth'.
Thats the type of name that either spells Legend, or Rock Bottom, with no leeway in between.
An absolute beast! 1st learned of her in the movie Hoodlum, played by the late great Cicely Tyson. She's such a fascinating figure, and hopefully she gets her own movie or show at some point.
Canadians say "sorry" so much that The Apology Act was passed in 2009, declaring that an apology can't be used as evidence of admission of guilt lmao
Canada also refuses to apologise for the genocide and ongoing oppression of natives, as demonstrated by its refusal to reveal how many cemeteries of murdered kidnapped children exist throughout the country.
@Leonardo Gurney the US have done thesame and far worse
Bet they are sorry about electing their current Commandant.
@@tuehojbjerg969 Let's not get into a pissing contest of who's better at genocide. The point is, everyone sucks.
"Given different circumstances, she might've been a CEO rather than a gangster"
...are you presenting that as a good thing? Gangsters and CEOs are really not good people, but gangsters are probably more honest.
Can't argue here. I'd trust a gangster way before a CEO.
@@wylanvallotton4462 Listen here, you got 2 weeks to get me the meatball money or its your kneecaps!
vs
What do you mean you should have benefits? You work 38 hours a week, not 40! By the way, work overtime this week or you're fired.
@@pointynoodle yup.
I trust neither , but with gangster you know they break the law , with ceo you can expect it
hahaha ok glad to see im not the only one that caught this!
love the animation style keep up the good work!!
All throughout this episode in the back of my mind I heard one song playing constantly, "Grandma Plays the Numbers". Heard that song so many times playing Fallout 4 I've picked up the odd verse or two in my memory. Also one thing I've learned watching all these history episodes is this, don't mess with a person who's determined to do something and has the means or connections to do so!!
Might as well do one on Bumpy Johnson now
Hell Dutch Schultz might be a series in of its self.
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Honestly the American Mafia and Criminal world of the 1930's is fascinating in general
Thanks for making this.!
Y’all should more episodes on this.
Thank you for the video.
Hi I'm new to the channel and found you when I was researching the history of genghis kahn but im loving the show I'm getting through your playlist fast I can't get enough. I was wondering whether you will be doing anything on achilles or other historic warriors/ gladiators
... Twas a "Harlem Shake Down" ...
I'm so sorry 😔
nice to see this lady finally getting more attention
"Given a different time she might have been a CEO instead of a gangster"
The implication being that the skillsets once utilized by criminals is highly beneficial in today's corporate career path.
So St. Claire worked with Bumpy Johnson… who mentored Frank Lucas of “American Gangster” fame? One of the most successful drug kings in US history?
Did Lucas ever meet St. Claire?
They think Lucas barely even met Bumpy and way overstated their relationship. Extremely doubtful he ever met the Queen
Lucas barely knew bumpy, he claims he was his driver and bodyguard but bumpy drove his own car and his wife said lucas was pretty much a flunky at that point
@@Jordan-ep8vx Well somebody read the book. And to add on to that, Bumpy was never out of prison for more than 10 years at a time for Lucas to be his driver for as long as he claims.
Frank Matthews is the most successful kingpins.
This was great as usual. Just in case people are unaware, there is a series chronicling the escapades of Bumpy Johnson, called "Godfather of Harlem" and it is absolutely excellent TV in my opinion. They take liberties with the history to make it more engaging, but it's a good watch none the less.
The thing that tells me most how this is from an earlier time?
Crooked cops actually facing consequences.
They were probably still the minority of circumstances
I know what you’re trying to say, but the average bad cop back, then was on a whole other ultra level evil than the average but more rare bad cops today. it may seem hard to believe but the level of violence and people looking the other way, as well as mass corruption just doesn’t compare.
Cops could routinely beat suspects or people they didn’t like to a bloody pulp. No one would protest, and nothing would happen to them. It was just considered life. It was so bad that’s when people truly were afraid of the police because no one would speak up or talk back about it. They knew they would be killed next or beaten to the point where they regretted it, and never complained again. In a lot of places it was just out in the open. They thought they were untouchable. Whereas today people claim they’re terrified of the police, but yell and throw insults at them because they know they’re not gonna really get hurt in a lot of cases or they can sue if they do.
Number of people that are abused by the police today is only a drop in the bucket compared to what used to happen in the mobster era. Most People today don’t know what “real“police brutality looks like. Just speaking up put you next on the list to either be intimidated, to be quiet or to disappear.
Spit on a cop then you would be beaten to death. Today cops get spit on all the time.
Things are far from perfect that’s for sure, but we have to admit they have improved A LOT.
(There’s still a ways to go.)
This was super neat thanks
I'm all in for equating CEOs to criminals.
There's a podcast about her, "Harlem Queen". They've done 2 seasons and they're getting set to release a third.
Hail Madam Queen!! Y'all watch the movie "Hoodlum"!! Story of Madam Queen, Bumpy Johnson, Dutch Schultz and Luciano. Great cast
The moment Lucky Luciano was mentioned, I legit spat out my drink. THAT wasn't a name I expected.
Finally I get to know her background. This is good timing because she's in the game coming out called "Scarface 1920"
You guys should cover the Irish Mafia as well.
This deserves to be a movie.
Now I understand the song grandma plays the numbers.
This just made my morning 😍😍😍😍👍👍👍
At 4:15 the pin is SCC instead of SSC
I love how they added the gangsters paradise joke in there
Tell me where
@@NobelTheKnave near the end
@@NobelTheKnave 8:09
Stephanie St Clair, probably: Only criminals should have to pay for safety from the police.
"The police are exploiting the poor and desperate... that's my job!"
Cicely Tyson plays St.Claire in Hoodlum. Fishburne plays Bumpy Johnson and is co-starred by Clarence Williams, Vanessa Williams and Queen Latifah.
Ah yes, the best extra history episodes always follow one person
Lived in New York for two years but no one mentioned her. Interesting stuff
Good video
What a story I mean I loved all of this very informative❣️👏🏾👏🏾 lynae vanee Mentioned this woman's name in one of her great posts and I researched it further, Coming across your great video, And love the graphics ❣️❣️
And this Woman's life story is surely a film in the making??!!
Im not sure I like this episode.
Especially the part around 2:00 where you point out how positive winning the numbers game was for the poorer participants. You do know how gambling works, right?
Because from the context you provided, St Clair exploitet the gambling addiction of poorer and mostly black people and got rich from it.
Doing community work seems kind of cynical when you make your money like this.
I am looking forward to more episodes that battle the marginalization of women and religious and ethnical minorities, but it cant be that hard to show that there were female and black mobsters and STILL point out that they were...yknow, bad people?
Why isn't this epic story a movie series?
1997 Hoodlum and Godfather Of Harlem starring Forrest Whittaker
Dude.. I did not know this. This is wild and I'd love to see this as a Netflix series.
You should have been sponsored by paradox and the game empire of sin
We need a movie about this
She was the inspiration of one of the characters in the 1936 movie "Bullets and Ballots".
Not sure if I'm for this romanticizing stuff. These gangsters were monsters, no matter their ethnicity or social background.
We're well past being above romanticizing these people.
They're all modern day slave traders, though.
Hollywood give us this as a TV show or movie!
"Hoodlum" in 1997, though it focuses mostly on the war between Ellsworth "Bumpy" Johnson and Arthur Flegenheimer (a.k.a "Dutch Schultz").
Here in Brazil we have a similar "numbers" but with animals, name as "jogo do bicho". The owners or "bicheiros" used to be the most powerfuls criminals in Rio de Janeiro, before drug traffickers and militias
Recently read a book with her.
With? Or about?
wow man you committed a grave-robbing just to read a book
@@ut2819 about
Bumpy Johnson lived into the 60s? Wow! I would never have guessed that!
Yeah but he was in his early 60's when he died. Stress is killer.
Fun fact: palmtrees are grass
Bamboo too
I knew about bamboo, but palms too? That's crazy! :)
Real fun fact: Bumpy Johnson is the boss 'Bumpy' from American Gangster
Minute Earth?
It’s weird to me that she campaigned against police brutality when she also killed many many people…
State-sanctioned murder is worse than straight-up murder because the state can free itself from consequences.
Criminals being charitable or activists mainly to draw public support/distract from their crime isn’t that strange. Pablo Escobar, Al Capone etc. did the same thing.
I FINALLY GET IT THIS IS WHY GRANDMA PLAYS THE NUMBERS
Madam Queen St. Clair's gang was known as "40 thieves"
Extra credits, please do Vlad the Impaler next, I'd love to learn his history
Was the Bumpy Johnson mentioned the same who mentored Frank Lucas?
Yup the same one.
This is some questionable light to shed a murderer in, regardless of gender or race. Pretty messed up.
Admit it. If this was the same thing about white male mobster you wouldn't add "regardless of gender and race".
@@Lord1885 It wouldn't matter either way.
It is always the poor from any community that suffer the most from criminality and you can rest assured that the poor from this woman's community were the ones to suffer.
All this race grifting is there to get all the poor, last time I checked poor wasn't a race.
@@justwhenyouthought6119 Last time I checked, racism played big fucking role in putting specific people in "poor" category, Tulsa massacre being head-to-the-wall most obvious and blatant example, what happens when poor people of specific race try to make something of themselves and Play by the rules of the game. But rules aren't made for them. Gentryfication, Police brutality, educational discrimination despite of Afformitive Action are just tools showing us, that yes indeed, for some people poor is race and race is class.
6:49 that was savage
“Hello, Martin Scorsese… do you have a minute?”
Hey can y’all update your chronological playlists please?
Hell yeah!
This is interesting I was never told this in school
There's a difference between a CEO and a mobster?
Who are these people who give thumbs down to anything on this channel? Such great content!
Well, some of them are the ones who are all put out over EC saying things like "don't make a game that can randomly assign players to Team Real Life Evil," or "don't make being evil a biological trait of a species."
@@chakatfirepaw ok thanks. That makes sense.
@@chakatfirepaw ooh, so you mean that racists are downvoting. Yeah, I agree, makes sense
Some serious Polly Shelby vibes!!
true... but that doesn't change the fact that she was a mob boss
like you know...
they blackmail people...
they threaten people...
they kill people
they're the corruption
Glorifying gangsters isn't anything new. Happened all the time in the 20th century. Think about the fame of Al Capone
@@ACDBunnie Only that Al Capone was extremely good at being a generally good guy, until the Valentines Massacre, that is.
But he had another advantage: That he ran a criminal enterprise that showed the government the finger during the prohibition. Had he been another drugboss, he would have never gotten that much notoriety and popularity
people saw him as a barkeep, who, as long as you keep out of his way, gives you alcohol. Again, until the Valentines Massacre.
People really had a problem with that
This makes me want an Extra History on the works of Damon Runyon.
Really intresting story. It remembers me of a book called "Le petit prince de Harlem". but this is her story from an exterior point of view.
PANR has tuned in.
Gangster paradise is now stuck in my head
Why are you painting a criminal in such a positive light?
Still very interesting!
@Eve Angélique Honestly, determination would have been to actually at least TRY to find honest work, and REAL determination would have lived a few harassments, as harsh as it sounds and actually is, but thats why it is admirable, everybody would be "determined" if it was easy
Basically 100% of historical figures are criminals.
Criminals is something made up by the government to brainwash children
this has to be a movie.
Tilly Devine and Kate Leigh were during things out in Sydney around this time as well.
My great grandparents work for Luciano they branded his wine and some other things. I don’t know much but that cool.
An older Cicely Tyson excellently portrayed Stephanie St. Clair in Hoodlum.
Do a history video on the moors
"Forced the hand of Charles 'Lucky' Luciano."
Lets gooo!
At 4:15 her name tag says “scc” instead of “ssc”
Sharp eye
Just to clear things up, the reason why Luciano was against the unsanctioned hit on Thomas Dewey was because he feared that it would lead to retaliation by the Federal government.
*🎵empire of siiiiiiiiiiin🎵*
"Given a different time and circumstances she might have been a CEO rather than a monster." No, she would have still been a monster, even if she was a CEO. She'd probably be responsible for dumping toxic waste in the drinking water supply or something
he said mobster, but
Yeah, it's mobster, not monster, mobster is basically someone who is in the mob, but yeah the three are fairly similar
I feel this needs to be said bc a lot of people seem to be forgetting this. *SHE WAS A MURDERER WHO MURDERED FOR MONEY AND WAS ALSO A HYPOCRITE.* She was not a good person. You can't be a gangster killing people over money and be a good person. Yes she was an advocate but she also used the broken system of bribery to run her *CRIME* organization which is massively hypocritical. And no I'm not saying this bc she's a woman, if anyone did this they'd be a bad person whether or not they're a man or woman or both or nither. Being a piece of shit is *unisex.*
So please can we remember, violence is bad. No matter who commits it. Do not worship violence.
"As ye sow, that which ye shall also reap." Cold but appropriate
I wonder what criminals future generations will revere.
Elon Musk and his ilk is my guess. Criminals who steal huge amounts of money doing very little will be revered in the future
Is a completely unrelated to the video but I think you should do a bit about sir nigle gresley since he is an inspirational character slash person to me since he designed flying Scotsman and mallard
I remember that she was featured in a film about Bumpy Johnson years ago. Can't remember the name. But it would be great if someone did a film about her.
She was smart, but in the end crime doesn't pay.
Nonsense, crime is very lucrative. Why else would so many marginalized people turn to it out of desperation?
She was an antisemite. She married accordingly and fought a man named shultz.
People love to glorify criminals.
It has always been like this.
Stephanie St Clair sounds like she would have liked Tilly Devine and Kate Leigh.