What’s so beautiful about Scripture is the proof that it’s alive! Every false religion/heresy today has been addressed 2000 years ago through God’s inspired words. Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” Malachi 3:6 “For I, the Lord do not change...” There are 98 other verses that support that God is unchanging. Clearly God wants us to know that He does not progress.
My wife and I were discussing how our children would become a minority in upholding authentic follow-ship of Jesus against the progressive movement. I am grateful for younger people like you that will carry the fight through the next generation.
Oh my goodness! So articulate and beautifully voiced. So glad you are taking on this heresy. Born for such a time as this. Look forward to hearing more from you & all that God puts in your heart.
Alisa, I so appreciate the wonderful job you've done with addressing this exceedingly vital topic. God bless you dear lady. I cannot express just how important this has been for my personal understanding and find healing from the suffering and distress I've experienced by the loss of my 2 grown children as a direct result of what you have presented. l am not passing this on to others. Thank you so much.
John MacArthur says, if you have an “open” mind then shut it. It’s funny to hear the way he says it. It was funny to me bc it affirmed my thought on the subject. When we listen to words ppl use & grasp meaning, it’s the progression of liberal social mind, that not only allows in sinister ideas but welcomes them. It is the closed-mind that sticks to what we know are self-evident truths. It doesn’t mean we are closed to listening & learning. It means, we are unwilling to be tossed around by every new belief, concept, idea, thought…that comes along. The reason being that most “new” fangled ideas are really old ones wrapped in new packages with new paper & bow. Now add frills: glitter, stickers, pins, fireworks, sound & before long this beautiful newly boxed redecorated idea becomes a hideous looking mess. Eventually the mess turns into a monster or beast so enormous it’s destined to collapse. Sorry, I was thinking out loud here. This is a subject I’ve thought about, considered but never spoken, journaled or commented on. It’s simply irritating to watch decadence destroy good enough. When ppl don’t believe what they have in Christ is better than Great, better than Wonderful, more glorious than Marvelous…well, we see it: the wheels flying off in all directions!! So…prophetic isn’t it 🤔 ? God’s word is truth. He doesn’t change & He NEVER lies!!!
From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So, always spoken with feeling and always having a meaning even if it is only ill feeling and not well meaning. Facts, figures and symbols never lie, but people lie by misrepresenting facts, figures and symbols. Accounts , accountancy and calculations never lie, but accountants and their wrongful calculations always do.
My heart hurts so badly for people who have fallen into the progressive Christianity trap. The true gospel is so much better than anything these false teachers have to offer.
Very true! A colleague from school told me that about homosexuality too. I was definitely worried & knew she was heading from that direction to progressive Christianity
The teaching of that children’s director brought tears to my eyes because it so sad and awful. I am talking to my young son about Jesus’ death and resurrection and he realizes the sacrifice and love it took to lay His life down for us. Certainly not damaging, but uplifting.
Thank you for this Alisa. I pray for your ministry and strength and wisdom to speak the truth over feelings. I know God led me to you. I have a love for Apologetics and I want to teach women to be able to rise up and learn these truths. I’m praying for a door to open so I can learn and teach. 🥰
I wrote a five part series on the Emergent Church Movement many years ago and intend to continue this series with an update of sorts on the Progressive Church, which seems to me to be a furtherance of the ECM. This podcast has been very useful Alisa, thank you!
13:30 - points 1. Low view of scripture 2. Feelings centered 3. Essential Christian doctrines are open to new interpretation 4. Historic terms are redefined 5. The Gospel shifts from sin to social justice
Just listened to your interview with Joey from BadChristian podcast. Thank you for being a strong, articulate voice for historic Christianity. Blessings! :-)
Alisa - I also have been through questioning periods yet am now stronger than before. I have a church I was on staff years ago that has gone progressive. Even looking at the 5 Core Values of Progressive Christianity is amazing that a church could choose that. Yet, I know that it is easy to shift our beliefs based on the pressure of the world system and feeling out of sync with where the world system is currently. Glad to be firm in my foundation based on the centrality of scripture and understanding of how the Spirit is to lead us in all truth. That it takes my daily crucifying of self.
Thank you. I am thankful for your calm, thoughtful discussion. Too many times, we hear angry, wrathful talks. It isn't helpful. I will continue to listen so we can help others.
I am glad you are doing these. I saw you on Melissa Daugherty, and I have listened to every video you had done for other forums. Thank you for addressing this issue. I have been reading Francis Schaeffer's complete works and he addresses this is in his books. I appreciate what you are doing.
This is great, thanks Alisa. THis increasingly important to understand post 2020. If people don't believe Jesus died and rose again they are as far or further from the truth than cults like JWs and LDS.
I recently moved from my small New England village and have been following my church's online sermons during the COVID shutdown. I recognized while living there that progressive ideology was a problem in that church, and in the denomination (United Church of Christ). Watching the videos, I am appalled by the complete sell-out expressed in the sermons. When I left, several people had begun to visit other churches, including our church to keep community with their neighbors and friends, which was difficult because there are very few churches in a large area, and few of them are any different. It's a great dilemma for them. I've moved to another small village, but have, thank God, found a Bible-believing congregation.
5 Things Progressive Christians Have in Common: 1. There is a lowered view of the Bible (13:31) 2. Feelings are emphasized over facts / Feelings become the ultimate authority (16:04) 3. Essential Christian doctrines are open for reinterpretation (16:51) 4. Historic terms are redefined (19:34) 5. The heart of the gospel message shifts from redemption to social justice (22:12) Progressive Christianity = The Bible revelation is changing over time. Therefore, Paul and early church fathers are incorrect because they lacked understanding due to their limitations in time.
@@briannaprieto3043 Apostate… maybe not the best word for them. Read Revelation chapters 1-3 about the 7 churches. Today’s apostate churches do not denounce belief and faith in divinity. It’s that they forgot their first love or never had it. Their salvation was never authentic. You know, never Christ of bible. They have a form of religiosity. “They look alive but they are dead.” They forgot their first love.” My advice to any believer would be, do not look for a person, leader, guide to follow or trust, look only to the Author of our faith. He is Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach. Get to know the Him by reading daily and/or listen to oral reading of scripture. It’s God’s biography. It’s about Him, who He is. When you know something is true, it’s very difficult to be deceived. Eve believed the serpent which was Satan. Jesus does not want us to be deceived. Read book of John, 1 John, 2 John. James is a personal favorite. Read one chapter of Proverbs & Psalms daily. I love it all: Genesis, Job, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Habakkuk, 2 Chronicles (story of King Josiah). Is it difficult to grasp scripture if you’re new to it? Yes. Is it difficult to trust & obey? Yes, even for our Lord who asked His own Father to “take this cup from” Him…in the garden, Gethsemane, on the day of His death. No one gets out of life without suffering. Christ’s example had to be our example. He had to have it worse than all other humans. If he didn’t, someone would say to Him, “I had it worse. I suffered more.” No one had it worse or suffered more; although, there is a lot of bad deaths today. It’s the abuse, betrayal (nothing worse), humiliation, mocking but most of all, God’s abandonment. We can’t imagine that. I’m convinced all ppl feel & know God is all around us at all times. He is the glue. If His spirit goes, so does the universe. He is the Center, Stabilizer of all things. Is there doubt? There’s room for it in our heads. Room for our enemy to take residence. Our weapons are not carnal. We obey, pray & study God’s words that we arm ourselves for battle. We fight the good fight. We never fight alone. Our Lord does not lie. He promised not to abandon or forsake us. Hope this helps a little. Be of great courage: He is Risen, is Alive & Returning!! Hallelujah 🙏
God has a path for everyone. Isn't it great He allows you to grow up in the knowledge of Christian faith, step by step confronts you with the lack of your faith , takes it away, and shows you exactly that path to His kingdom that He has excllusivly prepared for you? I love the way He has led me from my childjood believes through atheism to real faith in Him. Studied Theology...
We've been looking for a new church. Through this process I'm learning just how progressive even our old church was, more than I realized. There were things that bothered me. I couldn't always put my finger on it, I thought much of it was just my own biases. Like you, I've always just wanted TRUTH. It bothered me when church depended so much on 'curriculum', and as I learned more of some of the teachers of that curriculum, red flags would come out all over. If I questioned it, it was explained that they didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we could bend on some things and not others, it made me question more. It's either true or it's not....there is no half and half. Thank you, I needed to hear this. What I want to know now is...is there even a church out there who is NOT progressive these days? I am wondering if any even exist any more.
You might try the 9marks of a healthy church, it's not full proof, but a good start. Or search reformed churches, there us no perfect church since we all are sinners, but reformed theology tends to be more gospel centered than Armenian churches. Watch American Gospel
there are. they are hard to find, but they are there. This last year, when we thought we were alone, God put good Christians in our path to show us we are not alone. but the question is a valid one. I know from experience in my town, but where my daughter lives, she found a good church. me still searching
I just found out about this podcast, via Melissa Dougherty, and wow, so glad that I did. This episode was just packed with information! I'm def subscribing and going to listen to more of the episodes. God bless.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3
This morning I listened to you speak in the video interview, “Progressive Christianity is Dangerous”... and realized the Holy Spirit was reaffirming my faith through you. Please keep leading others to Jesus Christ with your wisdom and banishing confusion which is from the devil. His aim is to destroy God’s Holy Church through this unsound doctrine. Thank you for shining the bright light of Jesus Christ on these falsehoods.
Excellent. You're spot on. Today is simply a repeat of the "fundamentalist/modernist" controversy of early 20th century. The multivolume work called "The Fundamentals" shows the same controversy as that of Christian/progressive Christian one today.
Wow...who would have thought that instead of Christians progressing in their spiritual understanding, grace, and working-out of their salvation and thereby change and become more and more like Christ, they actually believe that the truth of God and the teachings of Christianity are changing. Crazy! God's truth doesnt change because he doesnt change - it is impossible to improve on God and his word
I mentioned Schaeffer.... in his book, The Great Evangelical Disaster, He mentions Mecham and the speech he made to the Presbyterians in the early last century. It was a watermark in that denomination
The progressive Christianity movement began with Arianism, but more recently, the Disciples of Christ and the Church of Christ (mid 1800s) that say, "No book but the Bible, no creed but Christ." My point is, when you drop the creeds, you leave the church. Secondly, I appreciate your thoughts on Luther. Right on!
2 Timothy 3:16 Paul tells Timothy scripture holds sound doctrine. Each time Yeshua, Paul, James, John, Peter used the word “scripture” they meant the Old Testament. The New Testament was not gathered & label scripture at the time they were speaking.
Another great video. I’m so happy that God led me to you, you’re an amazing woman of GOD and you are very biblically sound and that’s what we need more of especially with woman of God. Blessings beautiful ✝️🙏🏼❤️💁🏻♀️⚔️👑
Thank you, Alisa, for raising your voice against this. I consider myself to be pretty well educated. I read a lot and do my best to keep abreast of what's happening in the Christian world and in American culture at large. But I was unfamiliar with the term "Progressive Christianity." It breaks my heart to see what is happening to American evangelicalism today, even though I myself am an Anabaptist. Like you, I stand firmly within the stream of historic Christianity. And like you, I endured a long crisis of faith of years duration, which was eventually resolved through a combination of prayer, a lot of study, and personal counseling. I too am very much interested in apologetics, for, humanly speaking, apologetics is what saved my faith. I wish every Bible-believing church in America would institute a rigorous apologetics program as part of its discipling ministry. You are an inspiration to me, because you have pursued serious study even though you don't have a college degree. I commend you for that. I only wish all American Christians had the heart you obviously have for being faithful to Jesus and in searching for truth. God bless your ministry. I have a question for you: Do you know William Lane Craig, J. P. Moreland, Douglas Groothuis or anyone of their caliber, orthodoxy, and influence within evangelical academia who could write a scholarly analysis and critique of Progressive Christianity? I mean no disrespect to you. I am grateful for what you're doing to raise awareness of these issues. But as I know you know, unfortunately our society will listen to people more seriously if they have advanced academic letters after their name. I do not. I do have a Bible degree from Houghton College, but it's only a B. S. Though I read a lot and widely, my education is largely self-taught. Circumstances never permitted me to pursue an advanced degree. Like you, I am very much concerned about the threat Progressive Christianity poses to the true church of Christ. I just think it would be a tremendous service to the church of our Lord in America if someone with the necessary contacts could put a bug in the ear of a recognized and influential scholar in the evangelical community to undertake such a project. Perhaps I could contact you via your Patreon channel to discuss this. God bless you, and keep up the good work!
Martin Luther's main goal was also to make the bible available for common folk. He translated it into german so normal people didn't just become puppets of the priest and catholic church but understood when they were led astray. His 95 Thesen he nailed onto the Wittenberg Church door said a lot of that. He very much condemned the fact that for some money you get a "sin free" slip and have repented. So i absolutely agree on your point there. Read his 95 Thesen and you find that as well.
There are three positions you can take when it comes to the Holy Bible.....One: you are above it and you take what you like and leave what you don't like and understand it the way you want to understand it, second position the Bible is like a friend, some times you agree with it and sometimes you don't. or you are below it, it is the Word of God and you do what it says you obey it.
Isn’t the first and second position the same? If you disagree with a commandment then aren’t you “taking what you like and leaving what you don’t” in your own words?
When I was in Seminary (many moons ago!) a Brilliant Professor, discussing Karl Barth, said that our Faith must be a Response to 'something'(that 'something else' in the Bible, as Barth says); it must not be a Creation. Faith Cannot be something that we create! Throughout Scripture we see people 'creating' Idols to 'help God out' with the best of intentions. And we all know where 'Good intentions' lead, dont we?
Essentially a Progressive Christian is a person who is more reliant on the power of man for earthly salvation than the power of God. The Progressive Christian is a christian Humanist. The more one relies upon earthly resources to solve man’s ills the more progressive that person becomes.
The only thing progressive in our faith is seeing that God's truths are timeless as we are given more cultures and settling to see how applying Christianity is always relevant to restoration of the human condition from the curse. That and seeing fulfilled scripture reveal the truth of the book of Revelation come to pass. Especially the church of Laodicea.
Wondering why progressive Christian preachers, don’t write their own bible? Why trust those, who under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote it? And those who decided, by the guidance of Holy Spirit, to chose which books to be included and some other books not to be included?
Just found and started listening to your podcasts from your interview with Capturing Christianity. Agree and enjoy listening to you but have to say the constant ad breaks UA-cam throws in the middle of sentences annoying. Wish the ads could just be at the beginning and end. BTW listened to, was blessed by your dad's music back in the day, during my late high school and college years. What a heritage to have!
I'm curious now as to what your thoughts might be about heart syncs in relation to progressive Christianity. I've been exposed to it a lot lately and have felt the Spirit revealing some things to me about it, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this so-called "progressive healing" movement. Thank you for considering my petition!
Alisa... I wonder what you make of DNA evidence around ancient human origins... please? Have you discussed work by for eg Svante Paabo and or Prof David Reich. Thank you.
On what basis do you call conservative Christianity "legalistic". You had a crisis of faith, just as Billy Graham did. Billy came out of that very ecumenical, accepting Rome, "Christian Rock & Roll", and even allowed for abortion in some cases and then there are Billy's comments to Robert Schuller. I see you have connections to people that partnered with Graham, could you please address your positions on all those subject, do you agree with Billy Yes or No? Also interested in your definition of "Legalism" and how you got that definition from the Bible? Thanks.
Christian rock music was part of our lives in 1975. Many were saved and are still dynamic new covenant new creations in Christ serving God. If you are wondering where that stick is you lost I can help you out with that.
@@rayray4192 classy, you just proved my point with your perverse carnal response. I asked a legit question to a woman who attacked good Christians as legalistic. The legalists in the Bible were not saved, is that what she is saying?
It’s not a yes or no question. Again, if you are puzzled about where you put that stick I can help you locate it. I’m going to put on some Larry Norman and then Randy Stonehill Christian rock n roll.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 what is your point skippy? Christians who listen to Christian music line an Amy Grant are frauds? Let me know if you need help removing the stick you have shoved up your ass.
This is why we need a reformation of apostolic authority. I'm referring to the twelve apostles of Christ. If Christianity had carried that torch throughout the last 2 thousand years we'd have far fewer cults and zero pentecostalism.
Progressive Christianity: the actual revelation of God is progressing beyond or becoming greater than the revelations of the apostles because we have more knowledge than them, in some cases rendering their revelations outdated or no longer as relevant. Process theology would further claim even God is changing or our knowledge of Him is.
In the podcast, you talk about the Progressives' attack on Christianity, and I wanted to first say that I appreciate your passion and your desire to share. However, I think language like Progressives' attack on Christianity is harmful. As a person walking through struggles after a lifetime conservative evangelical missionary, I can honestly say, I never LOOKED for these struggles but they came out of nowhere for me. As I navigate both sides, doctrines, and beliefs, I hear best from those that don't pit 'us against them.' I want to believe what you say. I lost everything when I started to challenge those beliefs in my heart and mind, but not a lot is drawing me back. I would also say that if God is who He says He is and it is He that draws us to Himself, are all these blogs and podcasts necessary? I also have a question regarding those that do not have the resources available in other countries and even here (time and resources) to really understand and research these topics...isn't God bigger than that? I read and study a lot. I have always loved Scripture in the past, and yet it was Scripture alone that was the red flag to me. It seems to me like Christians preach Sola Scripture, but then rely on many other authors to explain. Shouldn't God reveal Himself in His Word Alone according to the beliefs? I honestly welcome your feedback and would love to hear back from you. Thank you!
The NAVIGATORS - great Bible Teaching/Study that I have enjoyed since the 70's! In college then their material on "the Caboose" Stuck, and it has never left/me: First of all - even before FACT - is FAITH. FAITH leads. Next is FACT. Then, last, is FEELINGS. Feelings are the 'Caboose'!
Me too. One of the red flags for me is when they say stuff like "We're updating this or that to me more culturally relevant". You can change the chairs and carpet all you ant at your church - but when you start changing theology and doctrine to "update" it - that's where I leave.
Timely. Doesn't God ask us to come and reason with Him? Rich stimulating discourse there to be had. Paul also spoke about debating and exposing the hollow philosophies of his day. Likewise we would do well to equip ourselves. Thank you
Should this really surprise any true born again Bible believer today? Didn't the Apostle Paul warn the believers nearly 2 thousand years ago that as soon as he left that this would happen? "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears." Acts 20:28-31
@@lewisanthony1955 And I'm sure you know that Peter seen Jesus: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16
If feelings validate truth then Mormons have a case. Their faith is built entirely on ferlings by praying to see if the Mormon Church is true. If you have a “burning in your bosom”, then you can be sure the Book of Mormon is true. If you don’t experience the burning, then your prayer was not sincere enough. The Progressive movement is very cult-like.
Voices like yours are so important. The Lord's sheep need fearless, loving leaders. At the same time, your examination of the word "Progressive" is unhelpful. Please don't say anything positive about progressivism. God's enemies always tag their activities with nice-sounding labels. "Progressive" is a political term, a vision of the role of government, and the theological aspect of progressivism serves the political. The way to get to a more productive discussion of progressivism is to study political conservativism.
The mind of sinful man is death but The mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace. Rom 8:6 These progressive so-called Christians are pseudo-intellectuals trying to exalt themselves above the word of God… They are all accursed. They espouse a completely different gospel… Thank you for exposing the truth… Blessings. 🙏
The parable of the rich man and the beggar, the rich man went hades and the beggar was in Abraham’s bosom, the rich man concerned about his family wanted to let them know to avoid that terrible place, he was told they have Moses (Torah) and the prophets (Tanak). Gods word is immutable.
Alissa why won't you answer my question? On what basis do you call conservative Christianity "legalistic". You had a crisis of faith, just as Billy Graham did. Billy came out of that very ecumenical, accepting Rome, "Christian Rock & Roll", and even allowed for abortion in some cases and then there are Billy's comments to Robert Schuller. I see you have connections to people that partnered with Graham, could you please address your positions on all those subject, do you agree with Billy Yes or No? Also interested in your definition of "Legalism" and how you got that definition from the Bible? Thanks.
What’s so beautiful about Scripture is the proof that it’s alive! Every false religion/heresy today has been addressed 2000 years ago through God’s inspired words.
Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
Malachi 3:6 “For I, the Lord do not change...”
There are 98 other verses that support that God is unchanging. Clearly God wants us to know that He does not progress.
My wife and I were discussing how our children would become a minority in upholding authentic follow-ship of Jesus against the progressive movement. I am grateful for younger people like you that will carry the fight through the next generation.
I needed to hear this message! You also make apologetics understandable. With the loss of Ravi, I’m glad that God led me to you.
I feel the same.
Alisa’s book, “Another Gospel” is an eye opener.
@@titisdwiutami3520 - Reading the book now!
The loss of Ravi? Ravi was a false teacher who embraced Roman Catholicism, then it came out after his death that he was a perv.
Oh my goodness! So articulate and beautifully voiced. So glad you are taking on this heresy. Born for such a time as this. Look forward to hearing more from you & all that God puts in your heart.
Alisa, I so appreciate the wonderful job you've done with addressing this exceedingly vital topic. God bless you dear lady. I cannot express just how important this has been for my personal understanding and find healing from the suffering and distress I've experienced by the loss of my 2 grown children as a direct result of what you have presented. l am not passing this on to others. Thank you so much.
I love that GK Chesterton quote “object of opening your mind is to shut it on something solid”.
John MacArthur says, if you have an “open” mind then shut it. It’s funny to hear the way he says it. It was funny to me bc it affirmed my thought on the subject. When we listen to words ppl use & grasp meaning, it’s the progression of liberal social mind, that not only allows in sinister ideas but welcomes them. It is the closed-mind that sticks to what we know are self-evident truths. It doesn’t mean we are closed to listening & learning. It means, we are unwilling to be tossed around by every new belief, concept, idea, thought…that comes along. The reason being that most “new” fangled ideas are really old ones wrapped in new packages with new paper & bow. Now add frills: glitter, stickers, pins, fireworks, sound & before long this beautiful newly boxed redecorated idea becomes a hideous looking mess. Eventually the mess turns into a monster or beast so enormous it’s destined to collapse. Sorry, I was thinking out loud here. This is a subject I’ve thought about, considered but never spoken, journaled or commented on. It’s simply irritating to watch decadence destroy good enough. When ppl don’t believe what they have in Christ is better than Great, better than Wonderful, more glorious than Marvelous…well, we see it: the wheels flying off in all directions!! So…prophetic isn’t it 🤔 ? God’s word is truth. He doesn’t change & He NEVER lies!!!
"Feelings over facts" is liberalism in a nutshell.
Exactly
Like Rush Limbaugh always said, symbolism over substance!
From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So, always spoken with feeling and always having a meaning even if it is only ill feeling and not well meaning. Facts, figures and symbols never lie, but people lie by misrepresenting facts, figures and symbols. Accounts , accountancy and calculations never lie, but accountants and their wrongful calculations always do.
Fiction over fact is conservative Christianity in a nutshell.
This was SO informative! Thank you for the clarifying research and study you’re doing to keep people like me informed! 💕
My heart hurts so badly for people who have fallen into the progressive Christianity trap. The true gospel is so much better than anything these false teachers have to offer.
“Did God really say that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?” (Genesis 3:1).
It all goes downhill when one questions what God says!
Very true! A colleague from school told me that about homosexuality too. I was definitely worried & knew she was heading from that direction to progressive Christianity
Thank God for people like you doing this...
The teaching of that children’s director brought tears to my eyes because it so sad and awful. I am talking to my young son about Jesus’ death and resurrection and he realizes the sacrifice and love it took to lay His life down for us. Certainly not damaging, but uplifting.
I agree. if presented properly, it will give them a view of something bigger than themselves.
Just came across you ... and am so drawn 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thank you for this Alisa. I pray for your ministry and strength and wisdom to speak the truth over feelings.
I know God led me to you. I have a love for Apologetics and I want to teach women to be able to rise up and learn these truths. I’m praying for a door to open so I can learn and teach. 🥰
Amen. Me also Sis. Blessings and I pray that God opens up that door for you as well as for me. Praise GOD
I wrote a five part series on the Emergent Church Movement many years ago and intend to continue this series with an update of sorts on the Progressive Church, which seems to me to be a furtherance of the ECM.
This podcast has been very useful Alisa, thank you!
13:30 - points
1. Low view of scripture
2. Feelings centered
3. Essential Christian doctrines are open to new interpretation
4. Historic terms are redefined
5. The Gospel shifts from sin to social justice
Just listened to your interview with Joey from BadChristian podcast. Thank you for being a strong, articulate voice for historic Christianity. Blessings! :-)
You are a very brave lady. Kudos to you. Keep raising awareness of some of the deceptions going on in churchianity today.
Alisa - I also have been through questioning periods yet am now stronger than before. I have a church I was on staff years ago that has gone progressive. Even looking at the 5 Core Values of Progressive Christianity is amazing that a church could choose that. Yet, I know that it is easy to shift our beliefs based on the pressure of the world system and feeling out of sync with where the world system is currently. Glad to be firm in my foundation based on the centrality of scripture and understanding of how the Spirit is to lead us in all truth. That it takes my daily crucifying of self.
Thank you. I am thankful for your calm, thoughtful discussion. Too many times, we hear angry, wrathful talks. It isn't helpful. I will continue to listen so we can help others.
Well said. Thank you for your clarity.
I am glad you are doing these. I saw you on Melissa Daugherty, and I have listened to every video you had done for other forums. Thank you for addressing this issue. I have been reading Francis Schaeffer's complete works and he addresses this is in his books. I appreciate what you are doing.
Well done!!! Thank you for your voice...
The term 'progress' comes from Kant, Hegel and Marx. They viewed history as a process of 'dialectical' social change aimed toward a Utopian future.
No wonder some democrats are called the progressive left, now I know why
And social change aimed toward a utopic future is a bad idea! Ok lol.
@@joeclark1621 It usually is.
great podcast, just as I needed it. Thanks.
I enjoy your tone and thinking. May the Lord give you grace more and more.
A breath of fresh air 🙏
This is great, thanks Alisa. THis increasingly important to understand post 2020. If people don't believe Jesus died and rose again they are as far or further from the truth than cults like JWs and LDS.
First time listen and it happened to be your first episode. Great work!
I recently moved from my small New England village and have been following my church's online sermons during the COVID shutdown. I recognized while living there that progressive ideology was a problem in that church, and in the denomination (United Church of Christ). Watching the videos, I am appalled by the complete sell-out expressed in the sermons. When I left, several people had begun to visit other churches, including our church to keep community with their neighbors and friends, which was difficult because there are very few churches in a large area, and few of them are any different. It's a great dilemma for them. I've moved to another small village, but have, thank God, found a Bible-believing congregation.
5 Things Progressive Christians Have in Common:
1. There is a lowered view of the Bible (13:31)
2. Feelings are emphasized over facts / Feelings become the ultimate authority (16:04)
3. Essential Christian doctrines are open for reinterpretation (16:51)
4. Historic terms are redefined (19:34)
5. The heart of the gospel message shifts from redemption to social justice (22:12)
Progressive Christianity = The Bible revelation is changing over time. Therefore, Paul and early church fathers are incorrect because they lacked understanding due to their limitations in time.
Thanks Alisa.......now my wife and I have a better understanding of "Progressive Christianity" .
Progressive Christianity sounds a lot like the apostate church. Thank Alisa, you’ve helped me connect some dots.
Exactly what it is 🙌🏼👏🏼
What does that mean?
if it walks like a duck,,,,,,,,
@@briannaprieto3043 Apostate… maybe not the best word for them. Read Revelation chapters 1-3 about the 7 churches. Today’s apostate churches do not denounce belief and faith in divinity. It’s that they forgot their first love or never had it. Their salvation was never authentic. You know, never Christ of bible. They have a form of religiosity. “They look alive but they are dead.” They forgot their first love.”
My advice to any believer would be, do not look for a person, leader, guide to follow or trust, look only to the Author of our faith. He is Messiah, Yeshua HaMashiach. Get to know the Him by reading daily and/or listen to oral reading of scripture. It’s God’s biography. It’s about Him, who He is. When you know something is true, it’s very difficult to be deceived. Eve believed the serpent which was Satan. Jesus does not want us to be deceived. Read book of John, 1 John, 2 John. James is a personal favorite. Read one chapter of Proverbs & Psalms daily. I love it all: Genesis, Job, Esther, Ecclesiastes, Habakkuk, 2 Chronicles (story of King Josiah).
Is it difficult to grasp scripture if you’re new to it? Yes.
Is it difficult to trust & obey? Yes, even for our Lord who asked His own Father to “take this cup from” Him…in the garden, Gethsemane, on the day of His death. No one gets out of life without suffering. Christ’s example had to be our example. He had to have it worse than all other humans. If he didn’t, someone would say to Him, “I had it worse. I suffered more.” No one had it worse or suffered more; although, there is a lot of bad deaths today. It’s the abuse, betrayal (nothing worse), humiliation, mocking but most of all, God’s abandonment. We can’t imagine that. I’m convinced all ppl feel & know God is all around us at all times. He is the glue. If His spirit goes, so does the universe. He is the Center, Stabilizer of all things. Is there doubt? There’s room for it in our heads. Room for our enemy to take residence. Our weapons are not carnal. We obey, pray & study God’s words that we arm ourselves for battle. We fight the good fight. We never fight alone. Our Lord does not lie. He promised not to abandon or forsake us.
Hope this helps a little. Be of great courage: He is Risen, is Alive & Returning!! Hallelujah 🙏
@@donnat639 so how do I know my salvation is authentic and I have a true love for Christ and not just feelings?
Well done Alisa. It gladdened my heart to hear it.
God has a path for everyone. Isn't it great He allows you to grow up in the knowledge of Christian faith, step by step confronts you with the lack of your faith , takes it away, and shows you exactly that path to His kingdom that He has excllusivly prepared for you? I love the way He has led me from my childjood believes through atheism to real faith in Him. Studied Theology...
Thank you for making people aware of this.
We've been looking for a new church. Through this process I'm learning just how progressive even our old church was, more than I realized. There were things that bothered me. I couldn't always put my finger on it, I thought much of it was just my own biases. Like you, I've always just wanted TRUTH. It bothered me when church depended so much on 'curriculum', and as I learned more of some of the teachers of that curriculum, red flags would come out all over. If I questioned it, it was explained that they didn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If we could bend on some things and not others, it made me question more. It's either true or it's not....there is no half and half. Thank you, I needed to hear this. What I want to know now is...is there even a church out there who is NOT progressive these days? I am wondering if any even exist any more.
You might try the 9marks of a healthy church, it's not full proof, but a good start. Or search reformed churches, there us no perfect church since we all are sinners, but reformed theology tends to be more gospel centered than Armenian churches. Watch American Gospel
Church of Christ churches
there are. they are hard to find, but they are there. This last year, when we thought we were alone, God put good Christians in our path to show us we are not alone. but the question is a valid one. I know from experience in my town, but where my daughter lives, she found a good church. me still searching
Highland Baptist Church
I just found out about this podcast, via Melissa Dougherty, and wow, so glad that I did. This episode was just packed with information! I'm def subscribing and going to listen to more of the episodes. God bless.
only 27K views ...it should be in the millions!
one at a time, patience 😃
Alisa asked the question
Why are You so afraid of Answers...wonderfull.
Thank you i totally agree with your thoughts. Keep it going
This is the first video I've seen of yours. I enjoyed seeing you at Sonshine Fest in Wilmar Mn. Good to see you still standing for God.
You are an apologist after my own heart.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3
This morning I listened to you speak in the video interview, “Progressive Christianity is Dangerous”... and realized the Holy Spirit was reaffirming my faith through you. Please keep leading others to Jesus Christ with your wisdom and banishing confusion which is from the devil. His aim is to destroy God’s Holy Church through this unsound doctrine. Thank you for shining the bright light of Jesus Christ on these falsehoods.
Excellent. You're spot on. Today is simply a repeat of the "fundamentalist/modernist" controversy of early 20th century. The multivolume work called "The Fundamentals" shows the same controversy as that of Christian/progressive Christian one today.
Spot on!
Very helpful!!
Great message.
Great stuff!
Wow...who would have thought that instead of Christians progressing in their spiritual understanding, grace, and working-out of their salvation and thereby change and become more and more like Christ, they actually believe that the truth of God and the teachings of Christianity are changing. Crazy! God's truth doesnt change because he doesnt change - it is impossible to improve on God and his word
Thank you! Loved it! Spot on! _Galatians __4:16_
I mentioned Schaeffer.... in his book, The Great Evangelical Disaster, He mentions Mecham and the speech he made to the Presbyterians in the early last century. It was a watermark in that denomination
The progressive Christianity movement began with Arianism, but more recently, the Disciples of Christ and the Church of Christ (mid 1800s) that say, "No book but the Bible, no creed but Christ." My point is, when you drop the creeds, you leave the church. Secondly, I appreciate your thoughts on Luther. Right on!
I wrote this before you talked about the creeds. Glad you went there...
Thanks for this. Do you have any updates to this one?
Progressive Christianity sounds like code for changing fundamental beliefs.
not really code for, it's pretty much in your face. they are very skillful. scary
2 Timothy 3:16 Paul tells Timothy scripture holds sound doctrine. Each time Yeshua, Paul, James, John, Peter used the word “scripture” they meant the Old Testament. The New Testament was not gathered & label scripture at the time they were speaking.
Actually, Peter considered Paul's letters to be scripture. 2 Peter 3:15-16
Another great video. I’m so happy that God led me to you, you’re an amazing woman of GOD and you are very biblically sound and that’s what we need more of especially with woman of God. Blessings beautiful ✝️🙏🏼❤️💁🏻♀️⚔️👑
A very good word and oh so true.
Thank you, Alisa, for raising your voice against this. I consider myself to be pretty well educated. I read a lot and do my best to keep abreast of what's happening in the Christian world and in American culture at large. But I was unfamiliar with the term "Progressive Christianity." It breaks my heart to see what is happening to American evangelicalism today, even though I myself am an Anabaptist. Like you, I stand firmly within the stream of historic Christianity. And like you, I endured a long crisis of faith of years duration, which was eventually resolved through a combination of prayer, a lot of study, and personal counseling. I too am very much interested in apologetics, for, humanly speaking, apologetics is what saved my faith. I wish every Bible-believing church in America would institute a rigorous apologetics program as part of its discipling ministry.
You are an inspiration to me, because you have pursued serious study even though you don't have a college degree. I commend you for that. I only wish all American Christians had the heart you obviously have for being faithful to Jesus and in searching for truth. God bless your ministry.
I have a question for you: Do you know William Lane Craig, J. P. Moreland, Douglas Groothuis or anyone of their caliber, orthodoxy, and influence within evangelical academia who could write a scholarly analysis and critique of Progressive Christianity? I mean no disrespect to you. I am grateful for what you're doing to raise awareness of these issues. But as I know you know, unfortunately our society will listen to people more seriously if they have advanced academic letters after their name. I do not. I do have a Bible degree from Houghton College, but it's only a B. S. Though I read a lot and widely, my education is largely self-taught. Circumstances never permitted me to pursue an advanced degree. Like you, I am very much concerned about the threat Progressive Christianity poses to the true church of Christ. I just think it would be a tremendous service to the church of our Lord in America if someone with the necessary contacts could put a bug in the ear of a recognized and influential scholar in the evangelical community to undertake such a project. Perhaps I could contact you via your Patreon channel to discuss this.
God bless you, and keep up the good work!
Chuck Smith's discipleship tree continues to bear real substantial fruit. He'd be so proud of you, Alisa.
Very good and articulate
Martin Luther's main goal was also to make the bible available for common folk. He translated it into german so normal people didn't just become puppets of the priest and catholic church but understood when they were led astray. His 95 Thesen he nailed onto the Wittenberg Church door said a lot of that. He very much condemned the fact that for some money you get a "sin free" slip and have repented. So i absolutely agree on your point there. Read his 95 Thesen and you find that as well.
spot on
When this podcast will be available on Deezer?
There are three positions you can take when it comes to the Holy Bible.....One: you are above it and you take what you like and leave what you don't like and understand it the way you want to understand it, second position the Bible is like a friend, some times you agree with it and sometimes you don't. or you are below it, it is the Word of God and you do what it says you obey it.
Isn’t the first and second position the same? If you disagree with a commandment then aren’t you “taking what you like and leaving what you don’t” in your own words?
When I was in Seminary (many moons ago!) a Brilliant Professor, discussing Karl Barth, said that our Faith must be a Response to 'something'(that 'something else' in the Bible, as Barth says); it must not be a Creation. Faith Cannot be something that we create! Throughout Scripture we see people 'creating' Idols to 'help God out' with the best of intentions. And we all know where 'Good intentions' lead, dont we?
Essentially a Progressive Christian is a person who is more reliant on the power of man for earthly salvation than the power of God. The Progressive Christian is a christian Humanist. The more one relies upon earthly resources to solve man’s ills the more progressive that person becomes.
This is why I am a Fundamentalist
Correction - I "am" most happily passing this on to others!
Thank you for being honest and open in reaching-out. Bless you.
Exremely good, these series.
The only thing progressive in our faith is seeing that God's truths are timeless as we are given more cultures and settling to see how applying Christianity is always relevant to restoration of the human condition from the curse. That and seeing fulfilled scripture reveal the truth of the book of Revelation come to pass. Especially the church of Laodicea.
Wondering why progressive Christian preachers, don’t write their own bible? Why trust those, who under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote it? And those who decided, by the guidance of Holy Spirit, to chose which books to be included and some other books not to be included?
Excellent intro about the Prog Religion.
Just found and started listening to your podcasts from your interview with Capturing Christianity. Agree and enjoy listening to you but have to say the constant ad breaks UA-cam throws in the middle of sentences annoying. Wish the ads could just be at the beginning and end. BTW listened to, was blessed by your dad's music back in the day, during my late high school and college years. What a heritage to have!
$10 a month for UA-cam red and you'll never see another ad again.
I'm curious now as to what your thoughts might be about heart syncs in relation to progressive Christianity. I've been exposed to it a lot lately and have felt the Spirit revealing some things to me about it, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this so-called "progressive healing" movement. Thank you for considering my petition!
Alisa... I wonder what you make of DNA evidence around ancient human origins... please? Have you discussed work by for eg Svante Paabo and or Prof David Reich. Thank you.
That is eastern mysticism on wow
A prophetic teaching given in 1947 - the link is posted below
On what basis do you call conservative Christianity "legalistic". You had a crisis of faith, just as Billy Graham did. Billy came out of that very ecumenical, accepting Rome, "Christian Rock & Roll", and even allowed for abortion in some cases and then there are Billy's comments to Robert Schuller. I see you have connections to people that partnered with Graham, could you please address your positions on all those subject, do you agree with Billy Yes or No? Also interested in your definition of "Legalism" and how you got that definition from the Bible? Thanks.
Christian rock music was part of our lives in 1975. Many were saved and are still dynamic new covenant new creations in Christ serving God. If you are wondering where that stick is you lost I can help you out with that.
@@rayray4192 classy, you just proved my point with your perverse carnal response. I asked a legit question to a woman who attacked good Christians as legalistic. The legalists in the Bible were not saved, is that what she is saying?
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 why are you asking me about something someone else said? Legalism and perfectionism is not Christianity.
It’s not a yes or no question. Again, if you are puzzled about where you put that stick I can help you locate it. I’m going to put on some Larry Norman and then Randy Stonehill Christian rock n roll.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 what is your point skippy? Christians who listen to Christian music line an Amy Grant are frauds? Let me know if you need help removing the stick you have shoved up your ass.
This is why we need a reformation of apostolic authority. I'm referring to the twelve apostles of Christ. If Christianity had carried that torch throughout the last 2 thousand years we'd have far fewer cults and zero pentecostalism.
Wow, very clear and well done.
Progressive Christianity: the actual revelation of God is progressing beyond or becoming greater than the revelations of the apostles because we have more knowledge than them, in some cases rendering their revelations outdated or no longer as relevant. Process theology would further claim even God is changing or our knowledge of Him is.
In the podcast, you talk about the Progressives' attack on Christianity, and I wanted to first say that I appreciate your passion and your desire to share. However, I think language like
Progressives' attack on Christianity is harmful. As a person walking through struggles after a lifetime conservative evangelical missionary, I can honestly say, I never LOOKED for these struggles but they came out of nowhere for me. As I navigate both sides, doctrines, and beliefs, I hear best from those that don't pit 'us against them.' I want to believe what you say. I lost everything when I started to challenge those beliefs in my heart and mind, but not a lot is drawing me back. I would also say that if God is who He says He is and it is He that draws us to Himself, are all these blogs and podcasts necessary? I also have a question regarding those that do not have the resources available in other countries and even here (time and resources) to really understand and research these topics...isn't God bigger than that? I read and study a lot. I have always loved Scripture in the past, and yet it was Scripture alone that was the red flag to me. It seems to me like Christians preach Sola Scripture, but then rely on many other authors to explain. Shouldn't God reveal Himself in His Word Alone according to the beliefs? I honestly welcome your feedback and would love to hear back from you. Thank you!
U have a great point i agree with u
The NAVIGATORS - great Bible Teaching/Study that I have enjoyed since the 70's! In college then their material on "the Caboose" Stuck, and it has never left/me: First of all - even before FACT - is FAITH. FAITH leads. Next is FACT. Then, last, is FEELINGS. Feelings are the 'Caboose'!
thank you. i was not aware of the progressive movement. I have always steered clear when anyone deviates from the core gospel and so I stop listening
Ok, but grammar??
Me too. One of the red flags for me is when they say stuff like "We're updating this or that to me more culturally relevant". You can change the chairs and carpet all you ant at your church - but when you start changing theology and doctrine to "update" it - that's where I leave.
" Progressive Christianity " is just the same old heresies wearing a new overcoat!
Timely. Doesn't God ask us to come and reason with Him? Rich stimulating discourse there to be had. Paul also spoke about debating and exposing the hollow philosophies of his day. Likewise we would do well to equip ourselves. Thank you
Should this really surprise any true born again Bible believer today? Didn't the Apostle Paul warn the believers nearly 2 thousand years ago that as soon as he left that this would happen?
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears." Acts 20:28-31
Follow what Jesus said not the wannabe Paul , who didn’t see Jesus .
@@lewisanthony1955 Really! Did he happen to step on your toes? And why should anyone believe you, since you never seen Jesus?
@@lewisanthony1955 And I'm sure you know that Peter seen Jesus: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16
Excellent.
If feelings validate truth then Mormons have a case. Their faith is built entirely on ferlings by praying to see if the Mormon Church is true. If you have a “burning in your bosom”, then you can be sure the Book of Mormon is true. If you don’t experience the burning, then your prayer was not sincere enough. The Progressive movement is very cult-like.
Voices like yours are so important. The Lord's sheep need fearless, loving leaders. At the same time, your examination of the word "Progressive" is unhelpful. Please don't say anything positive about progressivism. God's enemies always tag their activities with nice-sounding labels. "Progressive" is a political term, a vision of the role of government, and the theological aspect of progressivism serves the political. The way to get to a more productive discussion of progressivism is to study political conservativism.
Deconstruct? Is that falling away or backsliding?
it's worse than that.
why, because they are dragging others down with them, on purpose.
The mind of sinful man is death but The mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace. Rom 8:6
These progressive so-called Christians are pseudo-intellectuals trying to exalt themselves above the word of God… They are all accursed. They espouse a completely different gospel…
Thank you for exposing the truth… Blessings. 🙏
Why aren't you traditional catholic?
Of course the Old Testament prophets had an inferior understanding of God. They didn’t have Jesus, who is the full revelation of God.
The parable of the rich man and the beggar, the rich man went hades and the beggar was in Abraham’s bosom, the rich man concerned about his family wanted to let them know to avoid that terrible place, he was told they have Moses (Torah) and the prophets (Tanak). Gods word is immutable.
Alissa why won't you answer my question? On what basis do you call conservative Christianity "legalistic". You had a crisis of faith, just as Billy Graham did. Billy came out of that very ecumenical, accepting Rome, "Christian Rock & Roll", and even allowed for abortion in some cases and then there are Billy's comments to Robert Schuller. I see you have connections to people that partnered with Graham, could you please address your positions on all those subject, do you agree with Billy Yes or No? Also interested in your definition of "Legalism" and how you got that definition from the Bible? Thanks.
Progressive Christianity isn’t Christianity