Mysterious Fossil Discovery in Southern Africa

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  • Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
  • The subject of paleo-anthropology is notorious for its contentious arguments, one of which has raged for years is the evolutionary genesis of modern humans. We frequently forget how huge Africa is. The distance from the 'Cradle of Humankind' in South Africa to the 'Cradle of Humanity' in Ethiopia is over 3000 miles, or almost 5000 kilometers. This is around the same distance as from Ethiopia to Spain or from Ethiopia to China. Only the southern part of Africa is in the southern hemisphere, whereas the vast northern part of Africa is in the northern hemisphere. Because this region differs from the northern section of Africa, the south is sometimes referred to as the African Subcontinent. This location is located about parallel to Australia, hence it is exceptionally far south.
    What's more, Several studies from the Southern Hemisphere report that the Origin of Anatomically Modern Humans can be Traced to Southern Africa. The Kabwe Cranium, also known as the Broken Hill Skull or Rhodesian Man, is a story that spans thousands of hundreds of years in southern Africa's heartland. The Kabwe Cranium, estimated to be 300,000 years old, was an early human ancestor from the Middle Pleistocene period. This preserved skull from a previously unknown species sheds light on the lifestyles of our distant predecessors and the environment they lived in. The skull was discovered in what was then known as Rhodesia, and is now known as Zambia in southern Africa. A new procedure used on the skull allowed for the removal of some quarter-millimeter thick shards, allowing the skull to be directly dated, with the age range being 324,000 to 274,000 years ago.
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    www.bradshawfoundation.com/or...
    www.sci.news/genetics/origin-...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 80

  • @tractorhead971
    @tractorhead971 14 днів тому +19

    Rhodesia became Zimbabwe not Zambia.

    • @stephenbrand5661
      @stephenbrand5661 14 днів тому +6

      Northern Rhodesia became Zambia, Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.

    • @douglashall4573
      @douglashall4573 13 днів тому

      Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, Northern Rhodesia became Zambia

    • @FloridaManMatty
      @FloridaManMatty 13 днів тому +1

      Rhodesians Never Die. MZRA!

  • @humansubspecies
    @humansubspecies 14 днів тому +6

    That's a good thumbnail. Very attractive, compelling.

  • @TheTamriel
    @TheTamriel 14 днів тому +15

    The Broken Hill skull (Kabwe 1) found 1921 near Kabwe in Western Zambia in the south of the East African Rift is a late _Homo heidelbergensis_ in the transition phase towards _Homo sapiens_ - a _proto sapiens,_ still slightly more primitive in its morphology compared to the younger Omo 2 skull from the Omo-Turkana Basin in the north of the Rift.

    • @togodamnus
      @togodamnus 14 днів тому

      --
      Note the robusticity and anchor points.. the sinus and nose bridge is also unusual. Remarkable specimen.

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  14 днів тому +5

      It's very primitive compared to Omo skulls. I don't like to use Homo heidelbergensis. It is a very Eurocentric species

    • @togodamnus
      @togodamnus 14 днів тому

      @@HighlyCompelling
      I agree that Kabwe skull may or may not be accurately assigned to H Heidelbergensis, it's equally impressive for it's archaic basal robusticity but there are some possibly significant differences and time table gaps; 50-100 million years difference in dating is large gap.
      Heidelbergensis was recovered and described by a European person, it was located near Heidelberg, and Europeans pioneered and established the field of study we all enjoy and seek to improve upon.
      Some individuals dislike the name Heidelbergensis because it's not just European, but it's 'German' sounding...
      I don't approve of such disapproval or cancelation motives.
      Similar debates exist regarding H bodoensis which is remarkably different from Kabwe or other fossil skulls.
      It's very interesting. 🖖

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 13 днів тому

      ​@@HighlyCompellingHomo Erectus down to Homo Sapien Sapiens all traced to Africa not Europe.

  • @DorchesterMom
    @DorchesterMom 14 днів тому +5

    Curiouser and curiouser…
    The truth will win out eventually. In the meantime, I have my popcorn ready.
    Thank you. This is highly compelling, enlightening, and ENTERTAINING content ❤

  • @TADJ369
    @TADJ369 14 днів тому +6

    Great video!

  • @jerrycornelius5986
    @jerrycornelius5986 13 днів тому +2

    Very interesting.

  • @susanbello8089
    @susanbello8089 13 днів тому +1

    ChatGPT says Rhodesia became Zimbabwe AND Zambia.

  • @OntarioRimrunner
    @OntarioRimrunner 13 днів тому

    What is the origin of the map "Africa at the Present Time?"
    It does not correspond to any time in history, so I assume it's fictional?

    • @Wyo2Wis
      @Wyo2Wis 13 днів тому

      Pre 1960 when European colonies existed.

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  13 днів тому

      Around 1930

    • @OntarioRimrunner
      @OntarioRimrunner 13 днів тому

      Any other facts about the source of the map?

    • @dukeon
      @dukeon 10 днів тому

      It’s from Deviant Art and posted on Pinterest. Representing an alternate history, not Africa in the early 20th century. Google “Map of Africa 1940” and you should be able to find it.

  • @markshearer1831
    @markshearer1831 13 днів тому

    Wow what are these people thinking. That map in the thumb nail? How old is that

  • @EricMerkel-rj9hs
    @EricMerkel-rj9hs 14 днів тому +1

    I've looked at that beautiful skull for years and still cannot envision a human-like nose in that nasal cavity.

  • @billsmith6397
    @billsmith6397 12 днів тому +1

    Zimbabwe

  • @TheLeonhamm
    @TheLeonhamm 13 днів тому

    And the key term to keep in mind is this 'its brain case is typically human .. its capacity still unknown'. Not quite measuring a man's humanity by his hat size, Sherlock Holmes style, as categorising humanity by the shape of a man's head. Humankind, humanity and man (including women, naturally) are more or less synonymous, minor distinctions without a major difference - rather than a difference in kind without any typical distinction = sapient man, for instance, is as much of humankind as primitive humanity.
    Science is a wonder! Thank you for all these little treasures. ;o)

  • @tankmeister8131
    @tankmeister8131 14 днів тому +2

    Rhodesia, I think you mean Zimbabwe .

    • @douglashall4573
      @douglashall4573 13 днів тому +1

      Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, Northern Rhodesia became Zambia.

  • @robinwolstenholme6377
    @robinwolstenholme6377 8 днів тому

    how can a denisevan diverge from a homosapian 400k ago if there were no homosapians 400k ago????? or are we back to the into afrika theore ????

  • @Satfenfilms
    @Satfenfilms 14 днів тому +1

    The African counterpart of the Neanderthal? Looks identical

    • @jerrycornelius5986
      @jerrycornelius5986 13 днів тому

      I expect there would have been considerable diversity within the different branches of homo, especially during periods of rapid evolution or expansion of range. Maybe some populations of one species had heavy brow ridges and other populations of the same species didn’t. To this novice, there doesn’t seem to be enough datapoints to get a handle on the variability much less to join the dots and make a clear picture of the evolutionary relationships.

  • @420thebestdayever
    @420thebestdayever 14 днів тому +5

    Based

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb9342 14 днів тому +2

    I'm surprised to hear about a lake in Africa bigger than the one that was in the Sahara. That one was supposedly massive.

    • @TheTamriel
      @TheTamriel 14 днів тому +2

      The vanished Lake Makgadikgadi in the today Kalahari desert, of which the famous Okavango delta was a part of.

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 13 днів тому +1

      Sahara is in Africa. Your comment doesn't make sense.

    • @comfortablynumb9342
      @comfortablynumb9342 13 днів тому

      @@erichwentz2866 It makes sense. The Sahara had an enormous lake long ago. Look into it.

  • @ultrakoolyvibes7505
    @ultrakoolyvibes7505 10 годин тому

    NEANDERTHAL were dark skinned

  • @leojanuszewski1019
    @leojanuszewski1019 14 днів тому +3

    Polish people represent the apex of human evolution.

    • @tankmeister8131
      @tankmeister8131 14 днів тому +4

      😂😂😂

    • @MrZriael
      @MrZriael 14 днів тому +1

      The women or the men? Two different species I’m certain of it. 😂

    • @MichaelWinter-ss6lx
      @MichaelWinter-ss6lx 13 днів тому +2

      Polish? I thought that's a profession!

    • @leojanuszewski1019
      @leojanuszewski1019 12 днів тому

      @MrZriael Funny you mention that. I've always been perplexed at how the same nationality produces such lovely ladies while also producing such...well...homely men (like myself 😆).

  • @CETGale
    @CETGale 14 днів тому +1

    If OOA is true explain the Iwo Eleru skulls dated to only 12 thousand yrs ago..... DNA has matched LIVING relatives to Iwo Eleru skulls to modern Cameroon in Sub Saharan Africa....... Please anyone have any ideas?? Or is it just to complex.....;)

    • @TonyMishima92
      @TonyMishima92 14 днів тому +2

      I don't see how Iho Eleru refutes OOA.

    • @jasonborn867
      @jasonborn867 14 днів тому +2

      There is significant morphological variation in modern human skulls and even for late survivng archaics, so predicting relatedness is subject to a high degree of error. The most accurate predictor of relatedness is genetics having repeatedly demonstrated the oldest living haplogroup is A00 which nests in Africa.
      All present-day lineages connect in an unbroken line of descent beginning with the most ancient haplogroup (A00). In fact, all male Eurasian lineages are descended from a single African haplogroup resulting in far less genetic diversity for Eurasian populations.
      Now a person could argue that A00 did not originate in Africa, but rather evolved in the Middle East and migrated into Africa establishing the modern human species. However, the oldest modern skulls such as Jebel Irhoud and Omo 1 predate any Eurasian sapiens so even fossil evidence points to modern humans evolving in Africa.
      If you are interested in scientific literature on this topic an excellent paper is "A Rare Deep-Rooting D0 African Y-Chromosomal Haplogroup and Its Implications for the Expansion of Modern Humans Out of Africa" published by Haber et al 2019. If you search by the title a full version of the paper is available on the Oxford Academic link.

    • @AfricanMaverick
      @AfricanMaverick 14 днів тому

      Since different populations of any species can change more rapidly than other populations within the same species, this may explain the late presence of this somewhat archaic-looking human. That’s to say the population the Iwo-Eleru individual was part of was more conservative than other contemporaneous populations.
      Assuming that the Iwo-Eleru find is actually just a divergent modern human/maybe a subspecies of Homo sapiens, and not the result of interbreeding between two human species, considering its relatively young age, I think it might be a representative of this Basal West African population. Also, with this especially divergent lineage, I think an especially divergent Y-DNA haplogroup comes part of that package.
      I think that this Basal West African population, or at least a genetically similar population, was the source of haplogroup A00. Also, I think this population may have been somewhat similar in looks and/or genetics to the people from Jebel Irhoud.
      Also, with the Basal West African divergence age, which is quite early, and presuming it coincides somewhat with the presence of the Jebel Irhoud individuals, there may have been some issues with producing successful offspring. A recent study also seems to suggest that the perceived archaic human genetic presence in the Yoruba has decreased by way of negative selection pressure, thus suggesting some issues with the interbreeding, but maybe not to the same degree as with, say, Neanderthals due to a more recent divergence from other Homo sapiens, and thus a reasonably heightened genetic similarity with modern humans. Now, whereas Neanderthal haplogroups went extinct in modern humans, some of the ones of this Basal West African population survived, because, while being fairly genetically different, Basal West Africans were still somewhat similar enough to pass on at least some, or in this case, one haplogroup: A00.

    • @CETGale
      @CETGale 14 днів тому

      @@jasonborn867 Both specimens are from N Africa not Sub Saharan Africa.. Interesting the Jebel skulls similarity with Iwo skulls, just the time differential.. Also the Jebel skulls are close to Gibraltar and Spain just as Omo 1 is close to Mid East.. Another interesting fact is the Canary Islands (also close to Jebel) native Guanches people who are related to the Berbers of N Africa seem to be the closest match for the Cro-Magnon man... As Cro-Magnon was the first fully modern human with prominent chin and no prognathism.. Seems to me the Guanches people before colonization were the typical phenotype human in North Africa before the Younger Dryas / last Ice Age and were most likely trapped on the Canary Islands after the ice sheets melted.. This theory of Sub Saharan people bursting out of Africa 70,000 yrs ago and replacing all before them, then mutating into all the different people we see today is not very convincing to me to say the least...

    • @AnthropoTube
      @AnthropoTube 14 днів тому

      All evidence points to the contrary. The oldest fossils of Homo sapiens are found in Africa: the _Jebel Irhoud_ fossils, which are ~286,000 years old; the _Florisbad_ skull, which is ~259,000 years old; the _Omo_ fossils, which are ~233,000 years old; the _Singa_ cranium, which is ~135,000 years old, etc. Additionally, only Aboriginal Africans (or people who recently descend from them) carry the haplogroup that's as old as these fossils, namely A00, as well as haplogroups that are younger than A00 but still older than Non-African haplogroups (e.g. A1a, A1b, A1b1, L0, L1, etc). Oh, and finally, Aboriginal Africans have more genetic diversity than Non-Africans combined, which indicates that Non-African genetic diversity is a subset of Africans' genetic diversity.
      There's no evidence whatsoever that Modern Humans evolved in Eurasia; that's a pipe dream.
      Also, people move around. Some so-called sub-Saharan Africans descend from peoples who migrated from North Africa.

  • @vesuvandoppelganger
    @vesuvandoppelganger 14 днів тому +1

    Humans were created in various locations around the world.

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 13 днів тому +3

      No actually they migrated and evolved.

    • @Randomuuzv
      @Randomuuzv 12 днів тому

      @@erichwentz2866from were

  • @poksnee
    @poksnee 14 днів тому +3

    Highly unlikely. This does not take into account current theories and discoveries. SOS.

  • @mrzredbadger7848
    @mrzredbadger7848 14 днів тому

    Nonsense

    • @DonRubinjo
      @DonRubinjo 14 днів тому +2

      Why? Do you think this chanel is bogus?

  • @grantnorthcott5112
    @grantnorthcott5112 14 днів тому +1

    Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe not Zambia. At time index, 1:29 you referred to Rhodesia as Zambia.

    • @TheTamriel
      @TheTamriel 14 днів тому +6

      Zimbabwe is the former South Rhodesia, whereas Zambia is the former North Rhodesia

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  14 днів тому +1

      I believe Rhodesia was a single colony in 1921 and then it was split in North and South in the 1950s before coming independent countries in the 1960s

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 13 днів тому

      ​@@HighlyCompellingZimbabwe won it's independence in 1980.