NEW Ivory-billed Woodpecker "Evidence": Is it Conclusive?
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Learn all about the newest "evidence" of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers in Louisiana.
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What do you think? Is this evidence of Ivory-billed Woodpeckers still remaining in Louisiana? Please put your thoughts below and please be respectful!
The video is quite detailed so here are the time stamps for the different sections.
ID Info between Pileated Woodpeckers and Ivory-billed Woodpeckers 2:51
Talking about the paper 4:22
First look at the photos 15:41
Link to the full article: www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.06.487399v1
It would be interesting 🤔 to see if more images pop up of this bird. It would be beautiful if they are still alive but my feeling is there is a lot of hopeful people thinking they see this bird. I hope I’m wrong though. If they do verify it being that bird then I hope there are full rehabilitation efforts for habitat and for the bird so they can flourish
@@adventureswithalexia they said they’re continuing their efforts so hopefully something more clear comes of it soon!
Something I’ve come to appreciate more over time is the interaction between Bayesian odds and ambiguous evidence. When something begins as highly unlikely based on prior evidence, for it to only be supported by sketchy information is a red flag. IBWO sighting evidence has retreated into low-quality, barely distinguishable photos and recordings precisely as telephoto photography and sensitive sound recording has become more widespread. That’s what we’d expect for a nonexistent phenomenon. It’s the same pattern seen with UFOs, ghosts, Bigfoot…
Says interesting things about the nature of human cognition. But not so much about persistence of IBWO.
Yes I believe based on knowing experienced birders that have seen them
Thanks for reviewing this data. If you look at the National Aviary website, the actual videos from the drones are the most convincing imagery. In fact this is the most convincing evidence I have seen from any of the sites where ivorybills have been reported by expert observers. I have been following this debate for the last 20 years, and have been birdwatching for 55 years. The drone video imagery has sequences which show a dorsal view of a large bird with a black-and-white plumage pattern which is unique to ivory-bill among large arboreal birds found in bottomland forests. It also shows a flight pattern characteristic of woodpeckers. This dorsal wing pattern is NOT even similar to pileated woodpecker. Furthermore, the observers like Dr. Latta and Peggy Shrum and others in this Louisana group, like Tim Gallagher(Arkansas) and Dr. Geoff Hill (Florida) before them, are highly experienced professional ornithologists. It is extremely unlikely these experts were fooled by pileated woodpeckers or other species. The pattern is clear.....expert observers working persistently in very inaccessible southern swamps with the right habitat characteristics are occasionally finding these birds. The difficulty of refinding these birds has to do with their habitat, their very large home ranges, their wariness, and perhaps their ability to relocate long distances to more optimal habitat patches. In other words their ability to "appear" and "disappear" from an area inexplicably.
I love Pileated Woodpeckers! I have at least four mating pairs on my 5 acre plot in north central Florida. They are amazing birds. But, I am always on the look out for an Ivory-billed. No luck yet, but I will never stop looking.
All the tech we have now a days and the best video of the ivory billed woodpecker is the first and only video of the ivory billed woodpecker from 1935 AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD VIDEO!
Tanner knew where the nest cavity was so he had that advantage. Without knowing where a nest cavity is/was it sounds like it would be difficult to get good media.
Typical UFO or Big Foot sighting picture quality. Not enough for me.
Pileated woodpeckers are such funny birds when young. We had one that would visit our porch railing as a gawky baby a few years ago. I’d go nuts if I saw an Ivory Billed!
To have a sustainable population, you'd need several hundred (if not 1K+) individuals, and someone would see one of those. I mean, the US is full of hardcore birders who would LOVE to positively ID the 'first' ivory bill. This reminds me of King Kong. You can't just have one King Kong - you'd need a sustainable population of those gigantic apes over big enough habitat to provide enough food.
Yeah, the amount of birds needed to sustain a population is definitely something important to consider!
I agree but don't forget that trumpeter swans had a tiny population and slowly built back up and whooping cranes had a very small population and are still recovering and slowly building their numbers. It is possible that there is a small population of ivory bills but even with that small number, there would be some real evidence of their existence.
@@michaelinhouston9086 both helped by humans… in the wild those small populations will usually die out. Don’t think I’ve heard of a natural example of a species going from less then 5 to a sustained population.
You say that lime someone that has never been through those swampy woods. They’re there. Believe. And people DO see and film them.
I agree to some extent. Given the type of habitat, and the difficulty in accessing those vast areas of mostly swampy, flooded timber, thick forested bottomlands, and relative scarcity of the bird itself makes finding them difficult to say the least. If it does still exist, then it should just be a matter of time that someone will get a clear picture, and/or video now that everyone nowadays carries a phone equipped with pretty good cameras. I hope it still persists, but am cautious in being too optimistic.
Not convinced. The fact that they didn't release the audio they claimed to have of the bird makes me even more skeptical. I think we should take up a collection and send Badgerland Birding down to do a stakeout with decent cameras. Seriously. Think about it guys. You're great at doing careful searching and spotting of hard-to-find birds. And even if you don't spot the woodpecker you'll still come back with some great videos about the adventure of searching for it. Give it some thought.
Hey, Judy, thanks! I have done one search down in LA, but would love to do some longer searches in different places. I’ll likely make a video detailing the one search at some point, hopefully soon! -Derek
I certainly think they could be out there yet, but come on, someone has to be able to get a better photo than this! Totally agree that if they know where they are for this report, there is no excuse to not get out there and take turns waiting it out till someone gets a clear photo. Thank you for the comic relief- the "bottle in a tree" comment made me laugh out loud! And yes, it did look like a bottle in a tree lol!
In spite of their size, both the pileated and ivory-bill are adept at keeping out of sight. In the case of the latter, 'getting out there' it's not as simple as you make it sound. There are legitimate reasons, not excuses, to 'not get out there'!
If one plans to enter ivory-bill habitat to look for the bird, you should also have some concerns because you'd be getting into a situation where you're more likely to have encounters with other wildlife forms that you may not want to. Ivory-billed woodpecker habitat is also where alligators and cottonmouths lurk and rule. Snapping turtles and wild boars are other potential bad customers.
Its rarity and elusiveness makes the ivory-bill a species that you are not likely to see or encounter by intentionally searching for it, but rather by lucking out while not searching for it. This was certainly the case in the 1999 sighting by the university student/turkey hunter in Louisiana.
For now, this should be considered the strongest evidence of its survival since 1935: ua-cam.com/video/CaEvqw6pL88/v-deo.html
I love the comment section with the thousands of people who have seen Ivory Billed Woodpeckers..........
Not unlike the 1000s of people that “see” Bigfoot.
It was a miracle for me to see one in 2018. First, I hear it and there it was.
where was this?
Really? Where?
@@nathanburton9161 It was at Johnny Henderson Park in a woodlot next to a lake.
@@supermanprime9596 It was in a woodlot next to a lake at Johnny Henderson Park. It's just north of Enterprise, Alabama.
@@nathanwebb4836 are you sure it wasn't a Pileated woodpecker?
Super late to this party. Listened to y'all during my shower.
Without getting into unnecessary details, I am personally familiar with Dr. Latta, and he's definitely a smart, reasonable guy. He does a lot of work in that region related to the Louisiana waterthrush and has had a lot of involvement with Bioparque Amaru in Ecuador with their Andean condor efforts. The National Aviary tends to be relatively cautious on what it attaches its name to, so I'd hope that backs a little credibility. Mind you as someone bird-minded but not of the birding variety, it's hard for me to get a lot of distinction from the images, so the article vs the things you both were keyed into was really neat. Perhaps getting this article out there in the first place will help garner attention and insight (and probably money... Definitely need that to keep up research) so that much clearer images and evidence can be brought forth so that even laymen like me can see the distinction. While there's always plenty of reports of cryptids that go around, there's something about how many hold strong on their belief with the ivory-billed that gives me hope.
Good comments.
I was disappointed in the images. Because really, the only thing short of a live or freshly killed specimen is going to be clear images of the bird. Video would be optimal.
My frustration lay with the idea that they had multiple birds visiting the same tree(s) over and over and they didn't have professional camera equipment placed at the tree(s).
All that being said, none of it's controversial to a person who is viewing the bird first hand either flying over or seeing the bird through binoculars.
I can't really comment on this study beyond what we have in front of us or what has already been said.
My problem is with other studies that have gone largely ignored. Like Mike Collins' work in the Pearl River and Dr. Geoff Hill's work in Florida. Both have had repeated sightings of IBWO and while Dr. Hill's team failed to get any photos, Collins has what I would call better photos and videos than this current team.
But this subject is wrought with snobbery and I am guessing that is why these two studies go ignored.
Nothing short of good photos or video, clear, color, crisp images, is going to put this to rest.
I am in the preplanning stages of going to North Florida to visit Dr. Hill's study area with no other intention except getting said photographic evidence. Too much time is spent putting sound monitoring equipment out, too much time is spent paddling back and forth.
This requires a person to go in, sit, and keep sitting with camera in hand till the bird can be photographed.
And that is what I intend to do.
I am planning on going in once the trees have lost their leaves and to stay through the winter until I can get pictures.
I am not one of those who can just dismiss the sightings that Dr. Hill and his team had in North Florida. Mike Collins visited Dr. Hill's study area and also observed these birds. And he got video.
I do not plan on getting ambiguous, grey tinted, fuzzy images. I am after the clear, crisp images needed to shut this controversy down.
Agree with all the points you made! Also agree that Dr. Hill’s study area seems like one of the best places to look! Keep us posted on when you plan on going!
Good luck on your quest! 👍
Please do! Best of wishes to you!🤞
14:40 I agree. Why didn’t they send a person out to capture better photos once the birds were consistently captured on the trail camera?
37:35 Ryan's like.... still going bottle in a tree 🤣
Ryan thinks everything is a bottle in a tree
@@BadgerlandBirding 😂😂😂
Not sure if you talked about this or not, but the trail cam "videos" were time lapses, so they were taking pictures 5 and 30 seconds apart. So when you were wondering where that flying bird came from, it makes sense that it just appeared mid-frame. At least that's what I understood.
Yup! We cover the timing of photos when going through the paper in the beginning. We were more wondering if it was a bird previously on the back of the tree or a bird just flying though.
Confirmation Bias seems to loom pretty large here.
Very interesting. I would like to think some were the IBW but who knows..
You guys should do a video about the Imperial woodpecker! As much as I love the IBWP, I think there is a much greater chance of finding an Imperial Woodpecker down in Mexico, as there are vast swaths of pine habitat to investigate. Im honestly surprised that birders in the US aren’t as excited to find the Imperial; it’s habitat extends to only around 50 miles from the US border! It also went “extinct” way more recently than the IBWP; with much more recent (universally accepted) video evidence.
I know, right? Probably a mix of concerns for safety (iirc, cartels do control some of that region) and difficulty traveling cross county that factors.
@@Tarbtano I think you're right. Very unfortunate obstacles...
Would love to do something on the Imperial, but yeah, logistically it would also be difficult.
The ivory-billed woodpeckers bird is the same as the imperial💁♂️
@@yoelsalazar30 they are actually separate species genetically.
I'd love for them to still be around. But, for me to be convinced, I'll need a picture or video that didn't look like photography was invented last week.
There is no shortage of videos, stills, etc. of large woodpeckers posted on YT in recent years. However, not one of them has come even close to the irrefutable footage of Arthur Allen in 1935.
If you are surveying a 93 square km area, for 8 years, and can't produce a single decent photo of a giant woodpecker, then that is conclusive evidence that IT IS NOT THERE.
As respected researchers, I’m surprised they used the word “apparent” rather than “suspect.”
I would love for them to still be around, but if we still had a population of Raven-sized woodpeckers that birders really wanted to find, it would have been found. Every recent Ivory-Bill sighting is a lie or a Pileated. Everyone wants to believe they’ve seen this super rare bird that hasn’t been gone for all that long, but with all of the equipment today, someone who had seen one would have been able to get at least a decent picture for a positive ID. It’s terribly sad that they’re gone, but we need to learn the lesson from them and move forward and put resources toward species that CAN still be saved.
I disagree. Per this report, they couldn't even get good pictures of the common pileated on this tree apparently. IMHO, you need a real hunter (yes, such as myself although I am also a biologist) to get the unambiguous photographic proof. Most people just don't have the intangible factor required. For example, why didn't someone in this effort go full out camo, including a blind and put in the effort required with a top level camera? They knew the suspect birds were revisiting this particular tree. True, it would have required a lot of persistence, but sorry they just didn't have the required resolve even though I imagine they were busting arse by normal standards. And they could have had more trail cameras. I'm looking for the Tasmanan Tiger in Australia and I have 200 cameras as well as a float plane to get into remote areas. Yes, I'm lucky to be self financed, but less than 15 cameras on this project is relying way too much on luck. Now, my own efforts may not be successful with the Tasmanian Tiger, but at least I have the required equipment to make a significant effort. One needs the necessary tools - that's a first principle. If I were to get involved with finding the IBW I would (one way or another) go for 500+ cameras and a small team of driven individuals. That said, one person with one camera could get lucky or could create the "luck"...
That’s a big sweet gum tree, I think those birds are quite large on that video
We live on the edge of public forest and have several pileated woodpeckers nearby. I have seen them scavenging in a pair of two on at least three occasions in the past six months.
I think they are still out there!
Good day, I am an amateur wild life photographer. I need to let you know it is not easy to set up a blind and then expect to be able to capture pictures in a couple of days. Wild birds notice the changes and are or can be very wary of a blind. Although if I was in this location, I would be willing to sit there for a long time, even months, to see if the birds would get used to the blind to be able to capture a good picture of the Ivory Billed Woodpecker. As I do hope they are still around.
They would get used to a well hidden blind in days or a few weeks at the most. Certainly during that time the blind should not be occupied. It does not take months even for wolves and they certainly are more alert and have a higher danger IQ than any bird. Also, with top level camera equipment you could be at a substantial distance, depending upon the habitat.
@@davida.4933considering that parrots have IQs at least a 3-4 year old I would venture to say that wolves do not have a higher IQ than “any” bird.
I was on my way to work at the south end of St. Augustine, FL sometime between January and early March of 2020 and turned the corner nearest the boatyard and there were two of the largest woodpeckers I had ever seen in my life! A male and a female. Every bit over 16 inches in height and facing away from me, at the base of a telephone pole on the west side of the street. I had no idea they were missing, or endangered, so I didn't think to stop and try and take a picture. To this day I will never, ever forget how much white was on their backs!!! A large swath of feathers, probably four inches of more on each of their backs. They were not Pileated Woodpeckers. I grew up in a million acres of pine forest in the north, which aren't conducive to seeing too many woodpeckers (or Large Woodpeckers)! It wasn't until many months later did I see Forest Galante's show on the Ivory Billed Woodpecker. They are out there, I have seen them. They are not extinct, keep looking.
As discussed in a recently published journal article (UA-cam apparently won't allow the URL here), the field marks and flight characteristics of the bird in one of their videos (which was promoted as "among the strongest evidence to date") are consistent with the Pileated Woodpecker, not the Ivory-billed Woodpecker.
Hey, Mike! Thanks for the comment, and all the work you’ve done out in the field! Which journal was it in? I have not see that yet.
The DOI is 10.1142/S2591728523500214
i want to believe!
Last June three pileated woodpeckers landed in a tree in my backyard. I saw them periodically until July 4th. Then they stopped coming. Last week I saw one in a tree in my neighbors yard. Then this morning I saw one in a tree. I know it was pileated, but couldn't get a good enough picture with my phone to verify which type. I'm excited to have this bird in my neighborhood, and would appreciate any suggestions to keep this bird returning to my yard.
Fascinating
The big foot of birds !!!
If you don't spend more time in the woods you never will see one. There is a reason people don't report sightings.
I hope they are, I pray no one finds them for obvious reasons.
The evidence doesn't really look that great to me. The "white saddle" just looks like background light shining through under the tail of the bird. I can't help thinking that the real reason pre-1940s observers got such beautiful sharp, close-up photographs and videos is because the birds were there to photograph and video whereas now they are not.
In regards to the clear photos that Tanner obtained, he knew where the nest cavity was and he staked out the area, which is why he was able to obtain the clear photos. Other than the known cavity he wasn’t really able to get any clear photos, from what I’ve heard.
@@BadgerlandBirding That would make sense. I am reading Tanner's book just now and he found the nest. It was after a very extensive and meticulous search but it boiled down to the same way any birder would find any woodpecker - he went into suitable habitat and listened. I don't know this habitat at all and I understand that it is very difficult to access and move around in. But still, if no-one has found a nest in the last 80+ years despite what seems like very extensive searching, it doesn't really look good for the species survival to me, sadly.
Could they be seeing luesistic pileated woodpeckers?
It’s possible but I don’t think it would be very likely. I think lighting and perspective of common species could attribute for what is being seen, if they are just those common species.
I saw two birds this weekend I thought maybe were ivory billed (I'm not saying they were), but I can't rule them out. The biggest thing is I heard a call that was like scratching a fork on a plate which seems right.
Interesting! Where at?
By Mammoth Cave
Almost like half of a bluejay call, or the beginning of a crow caw, but thinner and more metallic, right? Did you hear the double knock also??
Ryan taking shots at modern art is great
Guess who’s getting modern art for their birthday next year
@@BadgerlandBirding 🤦♂️😬
@@snowyowl5556 it’s Ryan, lol
@@BadgerlandBirding yeah, I feel sorry for Ryan now
@@snowyowl5556 it’s called “bottle in a tree”
I stopped watching after the article said it would not include the audio as if the pictures did give credibility. Nothing to see here, but i do like that you 2 have these videos to keep the topic alive.
I was very curious about the audio data they didn’t include.
I would love for the Ivorybills to be alive, but I don't think we would have a problem with Emerald Ash Borers if they existed. I keep telling myself I am wrong.
I wish I was in that area so I could get out and search for myself. One other thing, as someone who has seen many Pileated Woodpeckers and even had them nesting near my house, I never recall seeing them scale small branches. They are generally either on the trunk of the tree or on a larger branch (occasionally stumps and the ground), at least 6 inches in diameter, but more likely, at least 10 inches. That being said, you can't really tell how large that branch is in that foggy video. I also have seen Pileated Woodpeckers in an elderberry tree/bush, which has very thin branches, but they may choose that only when there are berries. Basically, as a general rule, their size causes branches to bend, and I don't think they like hanging. That leads me to say, in that foggy video, the bird appears to be hanging upside down on that branch. I've never seen that behavior from a Pileated. Not that I've seen everything, but just putting out there the behavior I have and haven't witnessed in Pileated Woodpeckers.
They might have caught the little bird in a stoop. It's visible on the limb in the tree at the 43:53 minute mark of your video above. It vanishes at 43:54.Then at the 43:56 mark, just after one of you says, "And now when ...," watch in the lower left above the gray button panel. An object appears for a frame. If it's a bird, as opposed to a falling leaf, it's orientation suggest it came from the area of the limb the bird was on when it vanished. Then the big bird hops down from behind the trunk onto the spot where the little bird was. Was that a Pileated (or IB) chasing off a red-bellied--a bird I've seen stooping similarly? Proves nothing, but I mention it because I am uncertain whether anyone caught that possible stooping frame.
Louisiana has a lot of woodpeckers, I have not seen the ivory bill. Mainly downy woodpeckers.
I had one avoid me for years. Last week I almost heard him in the distance.
Nothing is conclusive until we have a live or freshly dead specimen.
Closest we have is a feather but there was no way to determine the age of the feather based on where it was found. It could’ve been there for decades without being disturbed.
I want this bird to be alive more than anyone else- they are one of my fav birds (I love all woodpeckers. Red headed wp is my favorite extant bird) but it is almost certainly extinct. I won’t say 100% because you never know, but if it is alive it only a handful exclusively in very remote isolated old growth Forrest (which there is not a lot left) or perhaps somewhere in Cuba.
We need to keep some old growth areas or the pileated will be gone as well
I've seen one up close in the environmentally protected woodlands near my home....STUNNING
Maybe it's time to go full Jurassic Park with museum skins?
The Indominus Woodpecker
My dad saw two of them fishing in the most isolated spots in Santee Cooper in the early 1970’s. I think there’s maybe 30 left and that’s it.
I wonder if dna could be gathered from bird scat on the tree? And compared to known IBWP?
I’m gonna say it again, once all the obstacles and problems in Mexico truly go down, a group of people need to go to Mexico one more time to search for the also probably extinct Imperial Woodpecker (Campephilus imperialis). I just feel like rediscovering it is at a much higher possibility than the Ivory bill. Not to mention it’s basically an unmistakable bird aside from a distance (all other large crested woodpeckers inhabiting Mexico e.g. Lineated (Dryocopus lineatus) and Pale billed (Campephilus guatamalensis), are much smaller and quite distinctive and inhabit quite different habitats and barely if overlap at all. Just saying. 🤷♂️
Just read another comment saying the same thing earlier and I can see reasons why going there would be difficult but someday, those obstacles and problems will be solved around and fixed.
The Imperial is also a very interesting topic and probably has a better chance of still being out there. It's definitely the cartel situation as you stated below that prevents people from making attempts at finding them. I think we just need to find a way to get the cartels hooked on birding! lol
@@BadgerlandBirding Agreed lol.
For the sake of comparison, I would have like to see non-colorized version of the 1939 photograph. Further, some degree of scale would help the argument.
My advice. Start looking for another kind of bird or animal AND maybe the ivory bill will pose for your camera. For me, I find all kinds of other cool stuff I didn't know I missed while hunting for some other item.
This holding out for these wonderful birds, It's like hoping someone who dumped you is going to wake up and say,"What? OMG. He's the love of my life! How coulld I be so stupid." Probably not going to happen. Alligators made a comeback, egrets were hunted and came back. They ate fish and fish never vanished. some animals come back because they're adaptable or have some other qualities that save 'em. and some don't. In 2 years, there are gobs of pix of rare things like landslides, rogue waves, plane crashes, animal attacks. IN 80 years we have no great pictures of ivory billed woodpeckers. Sure all phones have cameras now. yeah, I know. and these birds were a lot smaller and stayed in dense woods . I hope hope hope I am wrong and this bird lives.
Seems like there’s much more substantial evidence for big foot
"We consistently photoshoped all the photos 😁".... uhhh 🤣
I winced when I saw that 😅 but it sounds like it was lighting and contrast and total image edits, as they said no particular part of the image was altered on its own.
@@BadgerlandBirding so far the first photos seem the "best" for me. They seem to be reaching a lot to get even to "crested wp"
If Only...
I do think it’s very possible some might still be alive in the Congaree National Forest it’s the only pristine 2000 year old grow that’s left in United States you’ll never find Pine trees and other trees that big anywhere else.
Maybe the surviving Ivory bills evolved the same adaptation Bigfoot has and that they welcome blurry. It's not the camera, they just literally look blurry in reality, it's very unnerving!
Jokes aside, I always really did hope there was some relic population out there that could slowly work its way back up. Of any of these supposedly extinct animals still alive, this one does strike me as one of the most plausible.
I have heard that they have been sited on private property but no one will report them, you can’t do anything with your property if you have a protected species living on it. So they probably are not extinct.
This is so sad. Nowadays,you can get some good grants from the USDA for endangered species,especially in watershed,sensitive and wetland areas.
This was done specifically because people were chopping down old growth long leaf pines to before the government found out and could keep them from doing anything with their land. I just watched a video on the red-cockacked woodpecker in North Carolina which was found on Fort Bragg/Liberty when its numbers were extremely low. I have at least one pair on my property now, just to the south of Fort Liberty on the border of NC/SC.
Why don’t they just hook up a video camera to a tree trunk in any area where the bird would naturally habitat, leave it running and eventually a bird as striking as this would surely be captured on film?
That’s what they did. Trail cameras just don’t have that great of clarity when the birds are far away
@@BadgerlandBirding improve the camera quality.
@@stormhawk3319 it’s a trail camera…it has to have a wide field of view unless you want to capture a tiny area. If it was me I would just sit out there with a camera every day
@@BadgerlandBirding go for it, sadly I can’t. Don’t live in America
Yes I've been looking for the Albertville woodpecker 30. Years I think I have two of them by my house can anybody give me any information on who I could call and discuss this with I'm almost sure that they got a lot of white on the wings and how big a bird
If they’re near your house they’re likely Pileated Woodpeckers. If you want to send us photos for confirmation please do! Badgerlandbirding@gmail.com
Tbh that white on trailing edge looks kinda good... this video shows that yall are smarter than the researchers in terms of what evidence to use 🤣
i dont know why the searcher for the ivory billed wood pecker dont just use daguerreotype ?
How about getting some really good photos i.e. Tack Sharp ! !!! ? Frustrating! I know !
😅 there are photos. It’s subjective whether they are “good” or not.
And it’s subjective as to what they are of
End thoughts - no. Could be out there, but who the heck knows
Is the Cuban variant still alive or was it hunted to hell as well?
When Cuba became accessible from the US, researchers went in and didn’t find any evidence so it’s presumed extinct there. Not sure if it was hunted but I’m sure habitat loss played a role. Some people still think some could be on Cuba somewhere.
@@BadgerlandBirding thanks for the response. I’ve lived in Arkansas for 46 years now and saw my first live pileated today. The black and white wings made me instantly think of the ivory which is what has gotten me watching woodpecker videos on UA-cam tonight.
It seems like it would be easier for the bird experts to search for the roosts and holes that the woodpeckers would be making and living in rather than trying to film the actual bird randomly. The holes etc could also be GPS marked and the last use can be dated. Any feces around could also be worked in the lab.
I guess you never know, that extinct snow leopard showed back up out of the blue so maybe the woodpecker will too 🤷♂️
The real problem is not hunting but the opposite of hunting: agriculture and "development"....
@@davida.4933 The plow and the saw are a birds worst enemy
You seemed to skip over the part where they compared the sizes of woodpeckers in the same tree. I thought that was good evidence.
Hi Rod, we talk about it around 17:41
@@BadgerlandBirding The supposed IB in the white circle seems clearly larger than the Pileated in the inset photo. How do you account for that?
@@rodbhar6522 without any reference for scale it’s difficult to determine real sizes of the birds in the photos. The branch the supposed Pileated is on May be going backwards making it look smaller. It’s too hard to tell. If they really wanted to look at sizes they could make real size woodpecker cutouts or mounts of the birds and put them in those positions in the for comparisons as others such as Collins have done.
Not particularly convincing; more info is needed on the foraging habits of the Pileated, a handful of maybes at most, also difficult on the eyes. The Ivory-billed may still be out there; but it does not want to be found and is trying to hide. One of the most mysterious known birds; they remain elusive, secretive, and incredibly wary, but not necessarily supernatural.
Two brothers in Wisconsin with a younger than age thirty fee run bird club venue, reviewing papers by faculty and nationally sponsored bird experts who are offering a non scientific paper to all. Hmm. Spring board for their bird club tours. Grain of salt, I guess. Probably an exercise in case study analysis on their part than any credible debunk or validation.
What fee run bird club are you talking about? We’re just reviewing an interesting paper 🤷♂️
What about the imperlel woodpecker
I’m still surprised and baffled people have basically given up on that species when now (not before but nowadays) I’d argue it has a slightly better chance because of “cough cough drug cartels violence in Mexico cough cough”.
I have the last male at my house no one will check it out
I fond an ivory belled woodpecker on are ole tree
Do you have any pictures/videos of it?
No the evidence is not conclusive. In fact the evidence is down right silly and pathetic.
the pileated has been rediscovered. the Ivory is extinct due to logging
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The bird is extinct. Period. And has been for decades. This guy is a con artist and not a very good one playing on peoples' fantasies.
Which guy are you referring to?
Puleeez...really? Quit it....money grabbing fools!
Unless you put a stuffed one on a string, you won't ever see one again live looking. Don't lie. ALL sightings are piliated or just a lie. They have gone the way of the passenger pidgin. DEAD LIKE FRED lol
Even when I was a 12 year old kid I can’t imagine misidentifying a red headed woodpecker as an ivory-billed woodpecker. After saying that I did see a Bigfoot in the second video you played.
what's up with that guy's irritating voice?
The problem would seem to be money. I would think this would be a worthwhile effort for a college or university in Louisiana to take on. Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College is ranked in the top 100 in the United States. I am not familiar with how these things work but seems like a government grant would be beneficial to society as a whole even if evidence was never found of an ivory-billed woodpecker. The experience students would gain could pay dividends later for society.