BJJ VS Judo: what should you as an adult train, and what should your kids train?
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I started judo in my thirties and got tossed twice hard straight on my head over a year period. Also started bjj at the same time and never had the trauma like in judo so just stuck to that. 💯 agree with this. Just wish I had the opportunity as a kid to do judo or wrestling. I love takedowns just not risking my neck. Oh, I had two bad bad motorcycle neck injuries in my teens.
It also depends on the people you're training with, but even if they are very careful, bodies are still in the air...
@@MMACoach79 I was in Asia early 2000s, the first western dude in the dojo. Everyone was super welcoming but they trained a little old school. Lots of hard throwing in practice but it was only in randori where I got noggin knocked. Gravity is cruel.
@@MMACoach79 i agree with everything you said but what is your source for saying "takedown sensitivity cannt be learned later in life"?
@@captainkirk7513
You mean like sources of scientific studies??? Cause that's not how people learn how to fight or defend themselves, or how coaches teach anyone either. Just wondering what you meant, if you just wanted an explanation of what he was saying then I understand.
You got tossed like right in the very top of your head???? Like seriously?? Are you for real, are they that idiotic in judo establishments????
Judo is an excellent choice for adults and kids. It teaches balance which is crucial in daily life, especially as one gets older. This cannot be learned by limiting training to grappling on the ground. Ukemi (learning how to fall) is another important part of judo, young and old benefit from. I’ve heard this opinion so often that judo is too hard on the body. The truth is it takes longer to properly perform throws than arm locks and chokes, but if you want a strong self defense and the benefits of balance and safety, start by learning judo, regardless of age.
I started at 46 this year with no background in any sport. I love it. Should have done it 30 years ago. Yes, falling wrong does hurt, but your body will get used to it if you keep at it.
I think people should put their kids in gymnastics early on. No other sport gives you as good of an understanding about body positioning and where your weight is as gymnastics does, which translates very well to grappling. You cant expect to manipulate someone elses body unless youve mastered manipulating your own body
I was just about to say this. I had a childhood buddy who did gymnastics from the age of 5-13, and my God did that set him up for greatness in so many areas. He was extremely shredded and had a solid physique WAY BEYOND his age. And everything else too. Balance, strength and mobility in areas most people could dream of and so on. It really did give him a solid foundation that made him excel in all of his athletic activites. He was average in terms of athleticism. More people are starting to recognize how underated gymnastics is for young children.
@@jigsaw4253 I am gymnastics coach for 3 years. Been doing it for 12. People don't understand that flexibility. I also blsck melt muay thai
@@Unstrict Gymnastic is another level of athleticism.
My parents put me in gymnastics at four, Tae Kwon Do at five and Judo at fourteen.
@@jigsaw4253 gymnastics has that much caery over to many other sports. It's like master of all trades kind of discipline
agreed..i started judo in my early 30s..after injuring my leg, i started doing bjj.. amazingly i can still train bjj with just 1 healthy leg
What happened to youre leg ?
I started judo when I was 5 and did it until I I was 13 when I reached the brown belt, while I honestly don't really remember many throws or takedowns anymore, it definitely helped me to get a feel for grappling wrestling and takedown defense. Probably will start with boxing in the next few weeks.
Try muay thai
I started training judo seriously at 39. My dojo, which has a very active adult program and a large number of judoka in their late 40s through 60s, places a huge emphasis on ukemi training early on, which they did doubly for me due to my being overweight.
I have taken 2 injuries from falls so far, and both involve people attempting to abort throws in an effort to prevent harm, rather than just throwing me.
Other than that, all the injuries I've had have been from newaza.
Just had my 3rd injury in judo, and it was from a younger guy pulling me down on them the same way one pulls guard.
I've had 2 more minor injuries. One was from someone trying to pull guard like they saw on UA-cam. The other was when I was rolling at a bjj club and my opponent did a bad version of o soto gari.
I practiced both disciplines for two years each. I suffered an injury from an armbar four years ago during a BJJ competition, and since then, I've stopped training in martial arts. Now, I'm considering returning to the mat, but I'm concerned that in BJJ, chokes and joint locks are predominant, and these may injure me more than judo throws.
Not necessarily. Chokes are not dangerous usually, you just go to sleep. Joint locks are, but they are usually done in a controlled manner in training, less so in competition.
While throws do not endanger the health directly, things can go wrong and injuries can and do occur more often then when doing ground fighting.
That is why I think that for the majority of adults, BJJ is a safer bet.
That is exactly what I think! Thank you for confirming
I think start judo young and then transition to bjj after being good at it. I think that’s the best path for wrestlers too. Wrestle as a kid and pick up bjj in your teens. If you can find a way to do both you’ll be great. If you do both you’ll be better at both than someone who only does one
Yes Sir you're right
There is huge benefit in learning judo regardless of age. This guy talks from the perspective of a BJJ guy who does not understand how adults have to be introduced to ukemi (breakfalls). Most fights start standing. It’s essential to learn for a complete self-defense. Additionally, Judo includes plenty of newaza techniques, so if someone just wants ground training, he can just practice newaza. What’s being claimed here and in many other videos like this one, including from top judo guys is simply wrong. Judo is suitable for people in their 50’s and 60’s and beyond. There is a lot more than competition to judo. Just because someone trained at the top level, doesn’t mean he knows how to teach police officers practical judo for their safety in the street. It’s made to sound like it’s judo’s fault “it’s hard on the body!” No, it’s people not wanting to learn, or instructors unable to deliver. Please do some research and come to my dojo and see the difference.
First of all, I'm not a BJJ guy but an MMA coach who was a Judoka for many years before switching to MMA. So I speak from the perspective of a Judo guy first and foremost.
Second, I never said adults should not start training Judo under any circumstances. In fact, I mentioned there are less recreational Judo clubs out there, which implies that there are clubs that cater to beginner adults, but not many.
While there may be Judo coaches who adapt their training methodology to beginner adults, in the real world there are not many.
For that reason, and BJJ being actually easier on the body, and the fact that a lot of BJJ clubs cater to older people, adults choose BJJ way more often.
You can get easily injured in BJJ too, if you roll with idiots.
💯% agree… I have a Dan grade in judo but now train BJJ… can still train hard but with a huge reduced chance of injury… the comment about ‘take down sensitivity’ was well made 👍🏼
Thank you.
what's the best way to learn throws and takedowns as an adult then?
It depends on the context. For gi - Judo (even though it's hard). For no gi - wrestling.
Thank you for your honest thoughts,I'm in my early twenties and I didn't know what to train,your take on this helped me to choose which one would fit me better.
Glad to be of assistance.
I agree with that.. I’m a new white belt in Judo, before that did like a year Bjj and wrestling the Gym shut down so I went to judo. The coach is great, a champ in my country. I did had a Shoulder injury and a couple of days ago I injured my knee.. both times it was because of the partners that were just straight idiots, I love judo and want to do it at least more couple of years but from now one for me I will tell my partners to Randori like normal human being and I will never compete, I have a family wich I need to care of. Oh and I think for Hobby 1-2 Days Judo would be enough and some no Gi Grappling and I will be Fine and hopefully healthy.
Greetings from Germany 👍🏼
Yes yes correct ..I came from aikido to judo to jiujitsu.. .. I’ve never one person who can beat me in all three .. I go where they cannot.. you are correct I wish I would d learned sumo
I disagree, I've had less issues with Judo than with BJJ. I think this is because in Judo you're just doing techniques whereas with BJJ you're rolling hard pretty much every time and you're being met with resistance, so injury levels are higher. Boxing is to me the safest though (if you're not doing hard sparring that is).
I agree about boxing the safest, and that is why I teach it to middle-aged enthusiasts.
I disagree about BJJ being more dangerous than Judo. It will depend on the club, but in general Judo is a more dangerous sport and harder on the body.
Hurt my back a year ago in a car accident. I tend to have less pain with Judo then bjj. My gym is a recreational and competition judo gym but mostly recreational
That might have to do with bending as there is a lot of it in BJJ. I could't do no gi grappling for a while when my lower back was hurt.
If your lumbar spine is affected, I will release a rehab instructional soon and that might help.
That would be awesome! Been very hard to train without getting hurt this past year
I still prefer like judo. I wanted to train legit and authentic judo from its origin. I want to throw, takedown, locks and grab
AGREE 10000%. Both have strengths and weaknesses. But kids will develop explosive power amazing body control and speed without risking the broken bones an adult could face. Giving them Judo skills and conditioning will make them unstoppable BJJ fighters.
Probably depends on where you are. In Germany there are a lot more recreational Judo clubs than there are BJJ clubs (in total). And even if the BJJ classes are more tailored for recreational purposes they often are more competition focused with heavy sparring whereas recreational Judo here has pretty light sparring all around.
Also: Even in BJJ you can fall hard. It's just that most people don't learn how to do that properly.
In holland bjj is considered more a martial art while judo is considered a kids sport for some reason
I am 16 so young but strong and train judo and am beginning bjj on top of judo. None one my pain in my hips,knees, lower back, and shoulders are from bjj. I swear when I’m old and done with judo my joints will have become like wet cement because everything hurts after a judo practice. Although I find a way better cardio workout in bjj. So easier on the body but your first few times will suck if your not active.
Judo is indeed hard on the body. Most of my injuries come from it.
I’m glad I started doing Judo early on
What is "takedown sensitivity" ?
It's that simple. Used to train judo up to my mid-twenties, but at 43, my joints say NOPE, that sh*t is over.
Although, the club I used to train in had a decent number of middle-aged guys. I understood why they insisted on ne-waza as soon as my knees and back started hurting for no obvious reasons 😆
Hi im 18 do you think judo is good for me?
Becouse im worried about my back getting injured:my back is a bit weak
@@mahdihosseini5438 Yeah, maybe You should skip it then. Or go to gym first.
Coach, what do you mean by "takedown sensitivity"?
so what ur saying is judo first, wrestling in middle school and high school then bjj after?
Should I start judo at 18? I’m 17 currently but I can’t start right now due to my academic rigour and track and field
Idk bro I’m 22 new to gi grappling doing judo 2x per week and gi bjj 2x per week with S&C on Fri, Sat, and Sun with a full time job but I guess I had prior combat sports experience from boxing in high school and then sturdiness from lifting my ass off for years
I quit judo at 34 with a broken ankle and fifth methatarsal on my left foot.
Why not both ?
As an old judoka practicioner, for 30 years (I'm 42) I completely agree.
But... Only judo for me😅.
And yes I ve broken nearly all my fingers and my wrists and one shoulder... 😂.
A "gentle" art...
@@MMACoach79 well not broken shoulder, dislocated... The fingers my fault, bcos I think I can go without tape... and the wrists... Bad luck.
My kid is gonna learn as son as possible, grappling is great for kids, no matter if wrestling or judo, it's important for their health and bones.
And the small kids are funny to watch in their judogi, bcos they ve very short arms and legs...
What is takedown sensitivity and why can it be not learned later in life?
Idk i never heard of it honestly
Just throwin it out ther as someone whose done jui jitsu and other fighting sports growing up when a bone breaks it heals stronger and when your constantly in pain with certain things it teaches you to ignore the pain if nothings broken keep goin…atleast that’s my opinion y’all do u
By growing up I mean my whole life I’m 24
I trained in both, I love both. Although, both have their flaws for example, Bjj lack’s take downs, Judo lacks grown fighting, depending on the dojo you choose. Basically, Judo = 90% stand grappling, 70% ground grappling. Bjj 90% ground grappling, 70% stand grappling. Honestly, it’s great to learn both but if I had to choose one ?. Judo because 100% of fights begin standing and 90% is of them are ground fighting. Most Judo dojo’s will teach you how to land when being thrown. These are just my opinions and my experience’s with training in both.
Do Judo as a kid, Do wrestling as a teenager, Then do BJJ as a adult 🗿
@@K.S_20087Wrestling is definitely not useless.
No! Cross train if you like, but train judo your whole life.
Why so?@@eberhardkieslich2538
I'm gonna say if you know how to fall the judo. Get too sore doing bjj.
Younger = Judo
Older = BJJ
Judo all the way.. one throw on untrained person over concrete floor, game over. No need for bjj…. Also jiujitsu in integrated as part of judo..
What is takedown sensitivity?
Can i train with you🙏😉
What is takedown sensitivity
Knowing the right time to go for a takedown or avoid one.
Thanks @@MMACoach79
Judo is the real thing. BJJ is a worse version matketed into the mainstream by the Gracies.
Judo is overrated and BJJ academies teach adults better then Judo dojos.
@@JEFFMAN90 wrong. BJJ doesn't even have a method of teaching. Throws and takedowns are not taught correctly or even safely. Students are not taught how to fall from throws safely.
Visit a Judo school and you will see the difference. Judo has a sophisticated learning process. BJJ is the wild west.
Why do y'all call it Brazilian jiu jitsu as if Brazilians were the who the ones who invented it. It's Japanese jiu jitsu,
Because Brazilians expanded on the ground game of Jiu Jitsu so shut up
@@JEFFMAN90 they didn't expand on nothing, there's not a single move that the Japanese original jiu jitsu can't do that BJJ claim to say they do... Basically y'all just culture appropriate, it was a Japanese man who went to Brazil and taught it to them and that how they knew it. It was never a Brazilian who just woke one day and invented it.
Falling in judo doesn't injure you. Respectfully pls stop this nonsense.
Not if you do it correctly. Many don't.
@@MMACoach79 well if you learn judo then it won't heart or injure you 😅 I don't understand where's the issue 🤷🏻
Wrestling and bjj are useless in street fight but judo is useful
I couldn't agree more
Thanks.
A lot of Judo schools I see cater to kids.
Judo is probably the best combat sport for kids.
@@MMACoach79Yeah most definitely. Just wished they had more schools that caters to adults like BJJ. Thats why BJJ is more popular then Judo in North America at the moment
💯 procent Judo 👍
BJJ if you want to pick on people that dont know shit, Judo if you want to pick on BJJ folks.
That's funny. :)