200 knots is exactly what we publish for cruise, but like many other kit aircraft manufacturers we publish our numbers in MPH, so that is on our web site as 230 mph TAS (multiply 200 knots by 1.151 to get the number in mph).
Good video. And a great looking plane. But a minor correction: You don't need a type rating for the JSX-2. The training, done by Bob Carlton at Moriarity, NM, is in his PBS jet engine powered glider. Sonex, Bob, and the FAA worked out the approved training program. Once you complete the training and pass the checkride in your SubSonex, you get a Letter of Approval (LOA) from the FAA. There is really no minimum number of flight hours required to fly the jet, but the FAA wants you to have some time in similar handling airplanes, doesn't have to be jet powered. Sonex has more info on the training on their website and there are videos of it on YT. I hope to finish my JSX-2 within a few months, and start the training. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming! (I watch them primarily to help me see how other builders have worked through various issues I've run into).
They’re 100% going to be my first plane. I can’t decide whether to build or buy, main reason why I’d buy is because it’s so much cheaper than to build, by like 10K for a Jabiru plane!
@@AlexDenton0451 I suspect lot of people overlook the high cruise speeds Sonex aircraft have right up there with RV's at a fraction of the cost. If it was me I would build because then you learn everything about that plane know everything was done right because you built it. Jabiru engine some of the older ones had lot of problems I know they need enough cooling I think all that has been worked out on newer ones.
Never stop dreaming. I was down and out till I turned 70 years old living in my rotted out Chevy Metro. To day at 75, life turned around. If you dream it you can do it. Just started flying lessons. And ordered my Sub sonex
That’s a sexy plane! I wish I could afford a Viperjet. My only problem with these is that there is no ejection seat and you’re literally sitting on the fuel tank.
I may be a little biased too this since I live in Oshkosh and have seen them flying around for awhile, so its cool to see you building one. Love your vids. Next time you make it to Oshkosh would love to sit down and chat and pick your brain lol
I’m probably gonna get a normal Sonex/Waiex. Can’t decide whether to build or buy though, purely because it’s 10K or more cheaper to buy a Jabiru 3300.
@@michaelwilson5303 Same here. Will you buy or build? I am still looking to build. I got interested in RV 4 but they don’t have quick build option in it.
Here is a video showing the Sonex Jet doing 260 mph level flight right over the runway: ua-cam.com/video/g6YsCZlwYw0/v-deo.html. Happens around 7:30 mark. If you take it to 17 - 20K altitude, engine much more efficient and probably even faster.
Once you're moving, there's plenty of fresh air coming into the cabin. Opening the SubSonex cockpit and smelling both leather upholstery and Jet-A at the same time is the ultimate pilot aphrodisiac! Also, lots of other GA airplanes in which you smell the fuel when opening up the cabin after its been sitting for a while.
@@shable1436 I also like the Sonex B just wish it had a folding wing like the Onex. I'm looking at ordering the Sonex B kit here in the next six months.
It's interesting but with a turbofan engine it might fly twice as long with the same fuel and a more aerodynamic composite body and pressurized it might do 3x the distance and suddenly it's a 2000km range aircraft going mach 0.7 at 45000. That's going places.
@@hawkinitwithmark8110 well the engine can be small and relatively simple and a single seater composite droplet can also be rather simple. Pressurization adds some complexity but it can be a simple lean plane and can really be built for whatever price you can convince the makers to make it for. It's more psychology of the producer than real cost. 130k is basically cheaper than any other plane and I think the engine costs 100k alone? so that 130k might not be terribly real. But like I said, it's sentiment. Keep in mind that a cirrus costs a small million. So more than 130k could still be a smashing success.
@@DanFrederiksen 130K is very real for the SubSonex. Engine currently costs $74 but you can get it for less by purchasing it at the same time as your kit. You'd be working pretty hard to spend more than $150K on a SubSonex. $130K is at the average to upper-end of the cost spectrum for homebuilt aircraft. Take your typical well-equipped Vans aircraft, for instance: There's no way you can complete an RV for less than $100K. All of Sonex's piston powered kits, however, are designed to get great performance from smaller engines and therefore can be built between $30-$50K.
They exist now but still not very practical. Energy density still not good enough for battery-powered aircraft to be truly useful. See blackfly and pipistrel. Pipistrel is two hours recharging for 50 minutes flying with 3-phase recharging power.
@@tomcoryell it comes with a $100,000 price tag and you get to fly it 15 minutes around your backyard no more than 6 feet off the ground....no thanks. If I'm going to pay $100,00 for anything it will be for something that's actually useful.
The price on these gone up annually they used to be 100k flying now they are up to 150k flying before long it will be 200k. That's the problem with these getting the price so high customer going to be limited to wealthy if they have the money why not buy an L39?
uhmm its a jet, but check the far's all you need for this "Experimental" jet is a letter from,,,, Your doctor saying he thinks your okay to fly, so this is a decent, kinda low end way to get your hours up so at 1000 hrs you should be able get turbine rated for grownup planes,, unless the have changed the rules.
Range isn’t appealing at all. After about 400nm, which is about 2 hours, I’ll have to land and find a bigger airport that carries jet fuel. Is little inconvenient for longer cross country flights, and difficult to find such airports outside bigger cities in Canada that too without landing fees.
200 knots is exactly what we publish for cruise, but like many other kit aircraft manufacturers we publish our numbers in MPH, so that is on our web site as 230 mph TAS (multiply 200 knots by 1.151 to get the number in mph).
how long till yall release the 2 seat jet?
Good video. And a great looking plane. But a minor correction: You don't need a type rating for the JSX-2. The training, done by Bob Carlton at Moriarity, NM, is in his PBS jet engine powered glider. Sonex, Bob, and the FAA worked out the approved training program. Once you complete the training and pass the checkride in your SubSonex, you get a Letter of Approval (LOA) from the FAA. There is really no minimum number of flight hours required to fly the jet, but the FAA wants you to have some time in similar handling airplanes, doesn't have to be jet powered. Sonex has more info on the training on their website and there are videos of it on YT. I hope to finish my JSX-2 within a few months, and start the training. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming! (I watch them primarily to help me see how other builders have worked through various issues I've run into).
Great video Mike. Really interesting. Thanks for posting
Superb to fly, so versatile. I have had a lot of fun in this
The sonex planes are cool because of the 4:1 ratio, cruise speed to stall speed 160-40 at that size
They’re 100% going to be my first plane. I can’t decide whether to build or buy, main reason why I’d buy is because it’s so much cheaper than to build, by like 10K for a Jabiru plane!
That’s huge!
@@AlexDenton0451 I suspect lot of people overlook the high cruise speeds Sonex aircraft have right up there with RV's at a fraction of the cost. If it was me I would build because then you learn everything about that plane know everything was done right because you built it. Jabiru engine some of the older ones had lot of problems I know they need enough cooling I think all that has been worked out on newer ones.
In my younger days this would be a dream! Not so much now.
Never stop dreaming. I was down and out till I turned 70 years old living in my rotted out Chevy Metro. To day at 75, life turned around. If you dream it you can do it. Just started flying lessons. And ordered my Sub sonex
2 jets on the wings would look incredible, paint looks great too 👍🏻👌🏻
That’s a sexy plane!
I wish I could afford a Viperjet.
My only problem with these is that there is no ejection seat and you’re literally sitting on the fuel tank.
It has a BRS
Yep l Agree with U the Viper Jet is probably the best small sized jet out there
I would wait for the Voodoo cos strake tanks and actual speed (they claim 300 knots on the same engine as the subsonex), maybe more fuel would be good
Amazing dude, it would be insane to paint it with graphene nanotube paint. Just imagine, a homemade stealth jet.
Really interesting, thanks Mike
I may be a little biased too this since I live in Oshkosh and have seen them flying around for awhile, so its cool to see you building one. Love your vids. Next time you make it to Oshkosh would love to sit down and chat and pick your brain lol
That isn’t his jet.
It the dirt bike of the jet world.
When a video on the 2 -seater ?
Would you do one on
Fouga Magister and/or Paris jets ?
Web site publishes 230 MPH, which IS 200 KNOTS
It’s pretty slow for a Jet but my god does it still sound fun.
Very Nice Bro! Get Good Pilots!
I’m probably gonna get a normal Sonex/Waiex. Can’t decide whether to build or buy though, purely because it’s 10K or more cheaper to buy a Jabiru 3300.
Cool plane but for the money and speed, might just as well get a Van's RV and get the same speed and quadruple the range.
Exactly, and get a two seater.
@@farhanfouadacca I'm looking to possibly get an RV4 in the future . The specs on it are great.
@@michaelwilson5303 Same here. Will you buy or build? I am still looking to build. I got interested in RV 4 but they don’t have quick build option in it.
@@farhanfouadacca I will probably buy one that has already been built and previously owned.
When you want a steak, a chicken breast won’t do. Sure they will both fill your guts, but chicken can never be steak.
Wake up & smell the fuel instead of coffee sittin rite behind ya. Lmao
Yeah, was wondering the same. First time that I see this pointed out. How can this *not* smell diesel in the cockpit!
@@TimToussaint the Jp4 5 7 and av jet fuel does not 2:05 smell
Mentour pilot mentioned your channel on his reaction to the Trevor Jacob lunacy.
Here is a video showing the Sonex Jet doing 260 mph level flight right over the runway: ua-cam.com/video/g6YsCZlwYw0/v-deo.html. Happens around 7:30 mark. If you take it to 17 - 20K altitude, engine much more efficient and probably even faster.
I want that!! Although the jet fuel seat back is a little cray cray Haha
Pleaze, make a short video on Gotcha! and American Patriot as they are hangar neighbours.
This Plane Resembles the "Heinkle 162" German Jet plane at the end of WW2,
You don’t need a type rating u need a loa (letter of authorization from faa) because there are no type rating for subsonex u need a loa
Can you put duel jet engines on a sonex aircraft?
The military drone version has 2 engines.
I watched a bd5j fall out of the sky years ago at the vanderhoof airshow
Planes with 1 engine do that, it's a thing
The pilot didn't make it.
@@kevinswanson3910 if it leaves the ground it should have 2 engines
Well if u can open the cabin & smell the Fuel , then what is the Pilot breathing while he if flying Fumes. Doesn't sound Healthy
It could also be they spilled the fuel in the plane, which is probably just as bad.
Once you're moving, there's plenty of fresh air coming into the cabin. Opening the SubSonex cockpit and smelling both leather upholstery and Jet-A at the same time is the ultimate pilot aphrodisiac! Also, lots of other GA airplanes in which you smell the fuel when opening up the cabin after its been sitting for a while.
Does the stated price include the engine?
It better does. Otherwise a complete waste.
Price pleace
BD5J..It be great to see a review on those. They've been around a long time. The Sonex is a great aircraft though no matter which way one goes.
I wish I looked more like a fighter jet and could hold luggage!
Sonex has had a 2 seater aircraft out for a while now.
I like the sonex b
Sonex has a two-seat (side-by-side) version of the SubSonex jet in the works.
@@shable1436 I also like the Sonex B just wish it had a folding wing like the Onex. I'm looking at ordering the Sonex B kit here in the next six months.
@@EJWash57 They are working on some other projects also as in a high wing airplane.
@@michaelb.8953 I read that. Wonder what the specs/engine will be. Van's is about to debut it's RV-15 - a high wing bush model.
It looks jus like the acrostar jet in " Octopussy " (1983)✈️
That's what I thought it was
That jet was a BD-5J.
@@ajwasp3642 Oh ok.👍🏾👌🏾
Suits it’s purpose.
It's interesting but with a turbofan engine it might fly twice as long with the same fuel and a more aerodynamic composite body and pressurized it might do 3x the distance and suddenly it's a 2000km range aircraft going mach 0.7 at 45000. That's going places.
Sure, but would you still be able to build it for $130K? I seriously doubt it! Would it be obtainable at-all for the average homebuilder? Nope!
@@hawkinitwithmark8110 well the engine can be small and relatively simple and a single seater composite droplet can also be rather simple. Pressurization adds some complexity but it can be a simple lean plane and can really be built for whatever price you can convince the makers to make it for. It's more psychology of the producer than real cost. 130k is basically cheaper than any other plane and I think the engine costs 100k alone? so that 130k might not be terribly real. But like I said, it's sentiment. Keep in mind that a cirrus costs a small million. So more than 130k could still be a smashing success.
@@hawkinitwithmark8110 and consider how vastly superior a craft it would be.
@@DanFrederiksen 130K is very real for the SubSonex. Engine currently costs $74 but you can get it for less by purchasing it at the same time as your kit. You'd be working pretty hard to spend more than $150K on a SubSonex. $130K is at the average to upper-end of the cost spectrum for homebuilt aircraft. Take your typical well-equipped Vans aircraft, for instance: There's no way you can complete an RV for less than $100K. All of Sonex's piston powered kits, however, are designed to get great performance from smaller engines and therefore can be built between $30-$50K.
I look forward to the day of Electric Flying Vehicles rechargeable at home.
They exist now but still not very practical. Energy density still not good enough for battery-powered aircraft to be truly useful. See blackfly and pipistrel. Pipistrel is two hours recharging for 50 minutes flying with 3-phase recharging power.
Jetson is available now ( with a waiting list…..)
@@tomcoryell it comes with a $100,000 price tag and you get to fly it 15 minutes around your backyard no more than 6 feet off the ground....no thanks. If I'm going to pay $100,00 for anything it will be for something that's actually useful.
This plane is badass, however, I'd pass on this. Something about all that fuel being right behind my head doesn't sit well with me.
@@Halfmoonbaystudios You've just traumatized me.
Lol! Sitting against the fuel tank!
I can’t believe that small engine keeps that plane in the air😳
Personal jet of James Bond.....!?
Yea. It looks jus like the acrostar jet in " Octopussy " (1983)
I love this little jet, but I wish it was IFR rated and robust enough, in terms of airframe size and weight, to accommodate it
The price on these gone up annually they used to be 100k flying now they are up to 150k flying before long it will be 200k. That's the problem with these getting the price so high customer going to be limited to wealthy if they have the money why not buy an L39?
jet fuel he he
Cool! But not at all practical.
For fun not practicality 🤩
@@mojogrip Absolutely! But would a Bede BD-5J be an alternative?
uhmm its a jet, but check the far's all you need for this "Experimental" jet is a letter from,,,, Your doctor saying he thinks your okay to fly, so this is a decent, kinda low end way to get your hours up so at 1000 hrs you should be able get turbine rated for grownup planes,, unless the have changed the rules.
ALHAMDULILLAH(SWT), ASTAGHFIRULLAH(SWT).
Range isn’t appealing at all. After about 400nm, which is about 2 hours, I’ll have to land and find a bigger airport that carries jet fuel. Is little inconvenient for longer cross country flights, and difficult to find such airports outside bigger cities in Canada that too without landing fees.