Babylon First Impressions - Civilization VI New Frontier Pass
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2020
- Hamurrabi is the leader of Babylon in the November content drop of the New Frontier Pass! He is a science-focused leader that gains a lot of extra science from gaining eurekas, but at the cost of generating science per turn. He seems to be a decent skill-based leader, but he may be a little weak for less-experienced players.
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Edit: I meant to say replacement for the spearman, not swordsman, oops
Isn't the UU a melee unit instead of anti-cav
I think this is a replacement Slinger from what I see. When they get those boosts at 9:20, there's a Warrior and a Sabum out, the Sabum does NOT leave the city when it gets the kill, and the tech boost they got is for Archery. And because the kill unlocked Bronze Working as well, it can't be a Spearmen or Swordsman replacement.
@@Jack_Rakan I think the boost at 9:20 is just made by a Slinger instead of a Sabum. And at 2:45 the video says "Babylon's Unique Unit is an Ancient Area Melee Unit called the Sabum Kibittum." I think the possibility is this is either a Warrior replacement or a standalone unit.
@@legionglory3154 actually at a closer inspection it has to be a unique unit. A Warrior is out on the field, so it's not that, and a Sabum is being built.
@@Jack_Rakan Yeah so probably a standalone? I heard it was 17 Combat strength, +17 against Cav.
Babylon: *exists*
Seondeok: *Sweats in Korean*
Honestly, this is going to be a crazy strong domination civ more so than a science one I think. If you find the best tech routes where you can link eurekas together then you could jump far ahead in the tech tree by targeting specific techs from future eras. If you do that with military techs, it'd allow you to start building units that are probably 20+ combat strength above anything else on the map in the current era. It'll lead to a super easy domination game
The downside of this is that the cost for producing later units scales, so, you may not have the production to build them in a reasonably time or the money to buy or upgrade them. I think that balances this ability
@@doutorhist Yeah production (or gold) will be the bottleneck, but I'd imagine you wouldn't need to build very many considering how strong they'll be at least
Get three slingers, upgrade to archers, upgrade to crossbowmen, fastest rush ever. Get the card for promotion costs reduced, and magnus for chopping units and whatever you need
@@doutorhist Build 3 mines. BAM you now have Industrial zones and +3 production mines. That should help with the production scaling at least a bit.
I am agree totally.
But you have to dominate in early game because otherwuse you have lost.
Later eurekas are not always doable and some techs have not at all.
I wonder what happens if you build 3 archers.
Will you be able to upgrade them into crossbow or you need all techs unlocked?
If you build 2 forts will you be able to build cannons or you need gunpowder and previous techs?
I just love how UA-cam says that Sid Meier's Civilization VI: New Frontier Pass is a separate game...
With all those op civs and game modes it's safe to say that IT IS a different game lol
Power creep: the game
It does feel like a different game with the new personas, game modes and strong civs tbh.
Its basically a full expansion stretched out
@@timg4444 it's gonna be fun playing with all of the game modes enabled, power creep everywhere
the fact this civ can get techs like replaceable parts in the renaissance era is insane
Try Industrialization in ancient era. In theory. Practically it's going to probably go to Classical.
The downside is that you are probably going to be stuck in a dark age all the time. But the dark age cards are kinda interesting to use in combo with Babylon.
@@SusaVile Why exactly? I don't really see a reason why they would get less era score. Actually, early on they can get all the scores for advancing to another era technologically, possibly up to Industrial era. That would mean easier Golden Classical.
@@wombat4191 because with other civs you can control when you get a tech that will cause you to step ahead. Babylon will advance whether you are ready for it or not, so the early eras, you probably can manage with exploration and barb camps, or suzerain status; later eras you probably jump frkm one to another without realizing it
@@SusaVile I still don't really follow your logic. If you mean that you'll go into a dark age loop because you can't choose when to advance to the next era, your argument is just senseless. The 2 score for advancing to the next era is pretty minuscule, not getting it when you want isn't going to propel you into a dark age.
The UU in the civ screen reads: "ancient era MELEE unit"
So it probably is it's own thing and doesn't replace the warrior. This unit has the potential to be insane, depending on production cost and tech to unlock it.
Yeah, I think you're correct here
If you can get it from the start of the game, it would be amazing, basically being and upgraded scout
@@herrofriend2030 And it still has that extra Combat Strength against Anti-Cavalry Units, which means you can use them to scout AND clear Barbarian Camps.
@@williamtheconqueror7807 Also the issue with a scout as UU is that they don't upgrade into a usefull unit later on. Even if Babylons unit upgrades into a musketman instead of a swordsman every single one you build is still valuable later on.
@@kaype5867 Note that the write up on this unit does not state it replaces another unit as most replacement units do. Therefore it is most likely a unique unit for Babylon and doesn't replace anything.
Imagine Babylon, Persia and Sythia in the same game.
Boy would that be a party.
Tsl earth too
@@gusty_scarf sumeria too
Korea want's to know yout location.
Small map. Babylon, Persia, Scythia, Sumeria and Korea are the ai. Try and win a Science victory
@@serg9320 now i think about Australia is also pretty good, but it's almost mid-late game when you get outbacks stations right? so, never mind Curtis.
0:50 You were about to say Harambe was the leader of Babylon, weren't you?
reject modernity return to monke
Imagine you instantly rush mining get a builder than build 3 mines and get instant craftsmenship. So you get +1 production instantly on your mines. That's earlyer than the gauls. And you can build industrial zones with instant first building
It's only science Eurekas, not civic inspirations annoyingly
@@tomhemming9236 i guess he meant apprenticeship :)
Why stop there? Build 3 workshops early and break the game by finding coal in the classical era and having all your mines at +2. Also, the boost for education is discover a great scientist. Who cares about a 50% science debuff if you have access to universities before turn 60 and have the production to actually build them. You could nearly get on par with another human player doing this anyway I'm pretty sure.
Completing the Great Library boosts all ancient and classical era techs. So for Babylon, if you are not good at getting Eurekas, rush the Great Library and you instantly become a midevil civ.
Babylon is going to love having Sweeden in the game. Those late game eurekas from the competitions are going to be very valuable.
Oddly enough... I can see this civ being a powerhouse for military. Kill a barbarian with a slinger... boom archer. Make 2 more archers... boom crossbowmen. Iron deposit... gets you both the wheel and Iron working for swordsmen. I am planning on using this to get military units ahead of the time period for military pushes/defense when needed. I feel like most of the techs that give upgrades to military units are fairly simple to get. Use your ultramodern army to capture cities to fill out the districts you are neglecting.
Also, I am wondering how Babylon will pair with the new heroes game mode too.
Get three mines, boom apprenticeship. Three industrial zones plus two workshops, bam industrialization, tons of production over the AI to pump out tons of stuff for other eurekas. Cannot wait to play as these guys.
Building a pasture gives you horses instantly. think of the era score! I think this civ goes animal husbandry or mining asap depending on where you want to place your campus. get your unique unit out, go find another civ and instantly unlcok campus, then you can likely get horses and bum rush another civ while they dont even have archers. if you can get a builder on 3 hills quick, you can get apprenticeship and churn out horses even faster.
Adding to that, you can easily FORCE a dark age in order to get those dark age cards that boost military
i was babylon in a game where i got declared war from atztecs... holy moly they give me a run for my life cause i had to build milityry and could not afford building anything else... and that is babylons weak spot.. u cant really do things with sience alone u NEED heurekas... if u cant pop them... ur lost.
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This was fast. :) I'm not complaining.
Hammurabi was also the leader for Babylon in the very first Civ game, so it fits :)
"ancient era unique unit" means it cannot be swordsman...
Exactly
he mispoke a lot and also didn’t notice they showed bronzeworking tech in the video. its likely a starter unit
They are also researching iron working and on 3:33 and it's just the regular swordsman symbol
He just misspoke up front; shortly after that he mentions spearmen numerous times which is what is almost surely is a replacement for.
Yeah he said swordsmen many times when he meant spearmen. It's surely spearman.
I play mostly of Marathon, and I always get all the eurekas, this seems a little broken even with the science penalty
Civs are mostly balanced around Standard speed. Marathon greatly helps skill-based play which is Babylon’s whole thing.
@@dudedaniel1127 not mostly, always balanced around standard
Do you have infinite time?
I had not anticipated marathon...
Oh.
Oh no.
Oh oh no no.
You can unlock horseback riding as soon as you get Animal Husbandry...
Jesus Christ
They should make it, so you can get the tech for free, once the option becomes available.
Im going on a limb and saying that Babylon for skilled players is S tier.
I'd say I hit about 60-70% eurekas in most games just naturally. I could probably pick that up to 80-90% if I tried (who kills with a spearman!). Players like yourself or McWhiskey could get that into the 90%+ range. Thats all pure free tech.
Then the spies. vs Deity AI theres almost always some early techs to steal. Every 4-8 turns = research per spy. PER SPY. My only concern with this would be if you catapult yourself early with a tech lead, they become just gold gen again. Or you could game the tech tree and push hard one side and steal the old ones back to bring yourself back up to par in short order.
Babylon is a domination civ through massive tech advantage. Even their early game unit hints at it (+17 vs cav? Yes please). You're going to need to do some expert timing pushes and you can do some serious damage with a longer window than other civs.
Yeah, Babylon is gonna be fun. Also won't work so well with tech shuffle mode. We'll want to navigate the tree perfectly to take advantage of the civ ability to maximize it.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. My guess is that they will be A or S domination civ and an A science civ (not S because late game tech for the space race might be harder to research, depending on if there is good science AI or not).
If you target the right military eureeka's I think you could pretty easily end up with units 1-2 eras ahead of the AI. Which would allow you take over a tonne of land. Also because of their ability of getting a free building from new districts your new cities will get up and running faster.
I think this civ will rather snowball though out the game, or get completely stomped if they aren't played right.
90%? I don't bother with it after some time. I honestly hate the lategame...
You underestimating the production bottleneck. Sure you get the techs super fast, but that also means much higher cost for the unit. And not more production for you.
So there can be a problem on producting that high advanced units on the needed mass for a domination victory. And not to forget gold, because there are also the maintnence cost that scale.
So I don't see them as S Tier. A Tier yes, but not S Tier.
Especially on slower speeds. S tier for sure.
@@drakmendoa Except you can use eurekas to boost production! It is easy. First tech is mining, then build a builder, 1 builder = 3 mines = the Wheel (eureka mine a resource) + Apprenticeship(eureka build three mines) which gives +1 production on mines and access to industrial zones.
And this is a path to production that isn't egregious you research 1 tech, mining and then build 1 builder to get access to industrial zones and access to your unique building through the wheel. Doesn't sound like they have a production deficit but rather a production boon far faster than other civs.
Build three workshops and poof you get +1 production on mines and reveals coal from industrialization. All you had to do was build three industrial zones and 2 workshops because you got one workshop for free and you are a very early game production superpower with very little effort on the part of the player to reach this point. What is the path here for massive production boons? research mining, build/buy a builder, construct 3 mines. build 2 settlers, build three industrial zones build 3 workshops and you are really out producing your neighbors and you aren't going that far out of your way as most of these activities to this path would would do in the course of normal play. Who wouldn't build settlers and builders and industrial zones? While you are researching mines you can build a slinger and scouts to kill barbs. so while you wait to access mining which is slow you are still gaining tech alarmingly fast. If you are close to a natural wonder you could get astrology extremely fast, writing meet another civ. So this strategy of researching mining first doesn't prohibit you from exploiting your mechanics to advance in other areas. Goodie huts could lead to full techs so exploration is even more valuable to you as it open ups multiple ways to exploit eurekas.
While exploring kill 3 barbarians poof you find the iron resource build a mine on it poof iron working, build a watermill poof get construction own three archers poof get machinery then build one lumber mill and poof mass production. Using this and the above you now have without much effort both land and sea production. And this isn't even difficult. It will likely just happen in the course of play. Seriously who wouldn't build/buy 3 archers to automatically get crossbowmen?
Simply building an aqueduct gives you military engineering which reveals niter and gives you access to the military engineers.
Remember how quick i showed you how to get to mass production and you were thinking who cares naval combat sucks but 2 shipyards is the eureka for steam power which gives you railroads which your engineers can build for free. poof you are now unstoppable.
So with little effort i showed you a civ that has production has a decent military and is now able to out maneuver any enemy because you have railroads and they have what classical roads? Not sure this civ is going to run into production bottlenecks.Who wouldn't want a ancient era industrial zone at the cost of 1 builder making three mines?
I wonder where he’ll spawn on a TSL in relation to Gilgamesh.
I think Babylon could be a very powerful culture civ, with campuses being severely hindered, you can really abandon you science for culture, and any techs you need you can gain with a boost, removing the need for campuses can help for more important districts, as well as freeing up your mountains for national parks
Yeah, campuses suck, it's not like they give you great scientist points and a city project or anything like that.
I think thats not really going to work 🤣 Definitely a Dom/Sci powerhouse
if you build three slingers and get a slinger kill to get archery, and then upgrade them to three archers to get machinery, you can get ancient era crossbows...
You just need to find the gold to upgrade them
way too much gold. research animal husbandry, improve a pasture and start making horses early asf instead. Your builder charges matter so much with this civ
noiceeeeeee~!
@@fozzybear3010 true.. but thats doable, you'll still get it way before time..
theres also a policy for cheaper upgrading
This is going to be a great Science and Domination Civilization for experienced players. I would not really recommend it for new players, but if they want to have a go, they're my guests.
I am a new player and I'm going to use it anyway, and i will be much better than you could ever dream to be....gne gne gne
Surely this is going to be a domination civ? Since you can basically beeline medieval/industrial/modern units and resources without having to do all the pre-requisite techs.
@@timgb7882 I'll edit that part in. You're right. With proper planning, you'll get Musketman units in the Classical Era.
jokes apart i played long all the civs.... but it's the first time i got bored with the game and is a good year i dont play anymore.... did it improve since then---- i want to start again but not if it is the same?
@@timgb7882 The problem with that are the production cost scalling of the units. Sure you get something like a musketman super early but it costs 240 production (standard speed assumed) at a time were you have like 8-12 production. The enemy on the other hand should have swordsman at the same time which cost 90 production. At the same or on deity even more production. So he can produce in let's say 30 turns about 5 swordsman were you have 2 musketman at best.
For gold the same.
So there is a really big production and gold bottleneck that most people don't see and it is a factor where you can easily shot you in the foot when you are not planing properly.
I think you are really underestimating the ability to get free buildings. Snowballing early really gives you a LOT of advantages in the late game. Yes technically its a dead ability after every district was constructed, but the profit will be felt through the hole game. You get the religion faster, you can grow your cities faster with the merchants, you can build something else instead of the building, you will get great people faster. I believe, while it sure is not broken, it will be a strong ability.
A free lighthouse is really strong that's extra food, housing, and a trade route instantly.
Interesting that in 9:23 they show a city building a Sabum Kibittum before Iron Working is even unlocked. This plus the fact that Swordsmen are still there (so therefore, the unique unit must not be replacing anything), means it will probably be quite good, actually. It seems to be unlocked very early on. Depending on how its power stacks vs that of Swordsmen (I'm guessing its base will be less than Swordsmen, which come afterwards on the tech tree?). If it's the same, this could be very powerful because of how early you can get it
You can see its base is 17
actually going to be OP
Highly depends on your starting location. Have had plenty of games where eurekas were few and far in between before researching the techs due to placement in the world
I love how they basically designed it to play exactly like babylon in Civ V. Rush Great Library and get all your techs for free.
On the left top screen you can see the swordsman is still there for bronze working so its a completely unique unit.
Could you consider the unique unit as a pseudo-scout with the movement and sight?
So we're gonna have the Jock Gilgamesh vs the Nerd Hammurabi. Gilgamesh overrunning almost anyone at the start of the game with war chariots, and Hammurabi researching techs WAY faster than anyone else. This is going to make for some VERY interesting(if short) games.
So while you were looking around for iron working on the tech tree, Iron Working had just completed during the scene where the unit kills a horseman, and it is not a swordsman upgrade.
You can see at ~1:30 in the First Look that Hammurabi unlocks spearmen with Bronze Working. The description of the unit also doesn't say it replaces anything, so I think the unique unit might be just a standalone new unit. Be interesting to see if it upgrades at all.
I just realized how great the free techs are in that you can sometimes get late game techs way before you meet the prerequisites for them due to meeting their Eureka condition an era or two before.
Free district buildings are going to be insane in pvp. Building every district gives you a head start on every great person and gives free production towards boosts that require buildings. That's not even counting two very early trade routes. The momentum is just insane
@TheSaxyGamer you missed one specific information that is shown in video. Shrine and I think other holy sites buildings gives 10 extra turns or lifespan to heroes
This is honestly my favorite civ now
Did anyone else get the impression that the first specialty district, and only the first specialty district get the free building. So if you start with the holy site, your campus will give you an envoy. Essentially meaning that you get one free building and up to 16 envoys depending on how many different districts you build.
So awesome!!!
I am really interested if prerequisites for a technology matter. Otherwise, I would be wondering how quickly I could get Machinery and then Metal Casting with Babylon. Pike and Shots may not be amazing, but early Pike and Shots... Also thinking about productive Babylon with Mines into Apprenticeship into Industrialization.
So that ability that builds a first-tier building in every district, the fact that it goes away after you build the first district of its kind is to prevent it from being broken by completely eliminating so much empire-wide production. It also gives you the ability to compete for a few hard-to-get wonders on deity like Great Library, Colosseum and Terracotta Army which are hard to build because of the production investment. You've basically shaved a good 10 turns off of all of those wonders so now instead of maybe focusing on getting one you might have a shot at all of them. This ability looks sick good to me.
Babylon + Great Library = every Ancient and Classical era tech + a free tech every time someone else recruits a Great Scientist.
the great library gives you all the boosts for Ancient and Classical techs too
So here's a strat for this guy potentially. At the start of the game take mining, get an early builder and build three mines, unlock industrialisation. Use industrialisation to pump out two settlers, build two more industrial zones. Build up a campus, passively unlock a great scientist. Build two workshops, get industrialisation. Your mines are now +3 production while other players are at 1 or 2. Once you get your scientist, build your universities. Your science/turn is now OK and you have absurd scientist generation. Build your industrial zones up and you have three absurdly strong early cities and any others you've settled/will settle are stronger than they should be because of your mines.
If you ever feel threatened 3 slingers>archers and you insta-unlock crossbows. You probably want to build walls to get aqueducts anyway and once you build an aqueduct, which you want for your industrial zone you find nitre, which you can mine with your +3 mines. You also get muskets, which make you hard as hell to fight. You should probably also have the production to build these units, since you're unlocking late game production stuff early.
Seems like everything should kinda just click together for this guy to me.
At 3:36 in the video Iron Working is displayed as the completed tech with the swordsman symbol so the unique unit must replace the spearman
Wait will them get all the techs if they build the great library
Btw, pair all this with Hercules instantly building a district and you get an incredible boost for great people. Going to love that game mode for sure with Babylon
If you have three hills near your capital, build one builder and make three mines and you unlock the industrial zone in the ancient era.
Then you could build two workshops (you would gain one with his ability) then you could unlock Industrialization super early
so would this mean I would automatically get the techs that my teammates get in a team game since I get the eureka once they research it?
Yup, that you would. I hadn't even considered that.
@@LINKedup101 it was in the video how didn't you consider that?
@@gilgabro420 alliances are one thing, but multiplayer teams is another
Oracle and pingala combo ftw
This is a very interesting Civ. The ability to unlock techs as soon as the Eureka's are triggered allows for some pretty crazy early game rushes. Archer Rush? As soon as you kill something with a slinger you can build archers. Build 3 of those then you get Crossbowmen. Horse rush? As soon as you build a pasture you can build horsemen. Also, remember how crazy getting industrial zones early is for Gaul? Well as soon as you build 3 mines you get apprenticeship for Babylon as well. The -50% Science/turn penalty seems harsh on paper but all this really means is that you don't need to build campuses to rush through the tech tree; all you need to do is get Eureka's. I'm very much intrigued by Babylon.
you dont build campuses primarily for science but for the great person points. You get your first campus down so quick and with divine spark you immediately have +3 great person points. Get hypatia, build a free library in another city and you have +6 great person points, likely by the end of ancient era.
@@lensiax9276 Oh it's not that I think you don't build campuses at all. But at -50% generation to science the benefit of getting science yields is significantly diminished. Thankfully, because Eureka's are so powerful for Babylon they don't need the science yields and can devote that production to other things.
This civ can actually be a decent 1 city challenge civ because they are not handicapped in science progression by not having multiple campuses. And the extra housing/food on fresh water tiles will help that city grow tall.
@@SeaCow1g Yeah I’d agree you dont need to spam campuses, but getting great person points rolling in early is critical to getting the eurekas. If you meet another civ early you can get a quick campus and get ready for war if they’re close
So, who's starting with a builder and grabbing an ancient Era industrial zone? Gauls? Who are they?
Babylon is probably one of the most interesting, and possibly one of the most powerful civs yet. The ability to skip techs to grab other techs through eurekas makes it so you can really streamline your game into what you want. Plus you don't need to make campuses, probably at all. If you look at all the eurekas for different techs I wouldn't be surprised that you can leapfrog your way to modern techs in the medieval era.
The theme of Babylon is clearly the ancient era. 1 extra production on a watermill isn't much. But at the beginning of the game it is significant. The free building in your first district is also helpfull early, especially towards getting a religion or the first great scientist. And their spearman replacement is also early game. I can imagine building a lot of spearman for early war since you don't need to get a labriary or more production since you get the libriary for free and the watermill comes with extra production.
This is how OP it is, expecting a nerf right away:
So, I rush a builder and i get 3 techs (farm/mine a resource, quarry...)if I am lucky on my spawn location. I then get a slinger and i get two more (archery and bronze working). If I happen to find a natural wonder and have my city by the coast, that is a total of 7 techs, and I am probably still researching the inital three.
Then i get a great person, I build a campus, it has the library so i start the university, and what do you know, it is next to a mountain, so I get the fastest unthinkable Potala palace availability ever, PLUS a freaking dark age, no, plus, hear me out, cause I can use the dark age cards to boost whatever I want hahahah.
So renaissance era in what, 30-50 turns? Sounds fun!
There it is. "If I am lucky"
@@benwillems8584 “Look how op this civ is, everything went super well in my head!”
@@benwillems8584 still, you spawn either with a quarry, or a mine to take a resource from, or a farmable resource. Either one of those three gives you a tech with one builder. There are many variables, indeed, but consider this: you already have many games where you spawn next to a nice natural wonder, or next to good resources. This is just another one of those spawns, so its ability just increases the chance of a great spawn.
Where the unique unit shines is in early game scouting and barb killing. You get a unit that can reliably kill any early barb unit, unlike horsemen (weak to spears). You get 3 moves, but no Horses required. You get +1 visibility without having to get multiple promotions. Except for Sumeria, the early game suffers from not having a strong unit that can scout quickly and fight off barbs at the same time. Best of all, the tech requirement is simple: "kill 3 barbs". This synergizes well with the wide turtling strategy Babylon is going to want, by giving them a unit that can quickly clear the surrounding area of barbs and goodie huts.
I think the main thing Babylon plays with is timing. The obvious case is being able to start building industrial zones just by building 3 mines, the first of which comes with a free workshop. Where this gets really scary is with units: If you have enough gold, you can literally go from slingers to crossbowmen in 2-3 turns. THAT is terrifying, especially once you can reduce the cost to upgrade units with policies.
I didn't notice in the original vid that they got Mass Production with out any prerequisites.
I think the crazy thing is thet you can skip techs and get what you need when you want it.
Eh, Its definitely not a swordsman replacement, as in its introduction, they just discovered iron working, and there was a swordsman icon under that. As a melee unit, maybe its a warrior replacement? Its also not a spearman replacement, as we saw the bronze working tech in the last part of the video, which had spearmen. Would it being a warrior improve your thoughts on this unit?
This civ is going to be compleatly OP here is why (build a quarry, kill 3 barbs, ancient wall, encampment district, aqueduct, armoury, 3 musket men and GG you have infantry) everyone els is probably running around with swordsmen.
also 3 mines, 3 industrial districts with workshops, 2x coal power plant, 1 oil well and you have spec ops
Deity AI Hammurabi rolling in with those turn 30 musketmen.
This will be a great coastal civ. With how easy it is to get the eurekas for sailing and shipbuilding and celestial navigation and so and cartography and mass production and so on, you can get yourself a harbor with a shipyard in the classical era
extremely strong timing attacks
Do I have to have new frontier to play as him on my ps4 I just bought the Babylon dlc but can't find the civ to play as.....(don't have new frontier)
I wonder if the 50% science penalty is compounding(??)
If you look at 9:25, you see that neither the Spearman nor the Swordsman is being replaced. The Sabbom Kibittum is said to be a melee unit, so my guess is, it replaces the Warrior.
I’d really like to see current or more recent world leaders to be the Civs in the next game.
another thing you can do is rush a great scientist for early Unis, to deal with that harsh science penalty
So those policies that grant extra envoys for suzerain of different types could effectively double the envoys gained from non-speciality late-game districts like neighborhoods and spaceports.
We're finally gonna have a use for the atomic era eureka boosting Great Scientist! xD
I like the civs where you have to significantly alter how you play to do them so well so Babylon is good and my book! Not sure they'll overshadow my boy Mansa but we'll see!
I think they could be a surprisingly good dominatiom civ because of that instant tech research
1. Plant 3 mines.
2. Build IZ's
3. IZ's have workshops
4. Dominate with jumpstarted production.
The unique unit wasn’t unlocked in either bronze working or iron working, so its probably like the Sumeria warcarts where you start out with the unit.
The ability giving you the free 1st building is crazy lowkey because you start getting 2 great person points instantly. If you find another civ early on you instantly unlock campuses and can plant them down and be researching a completely different tech (ignoring pottery too). Divine spark + free first building = 3 great person points. Free hypatia LOL.
If you hit most of the eurekas, you break even on pure research points needed to get through the tech tree. You get a slight advantage if you can get 100% of the eurekas, but that's unobtainable, and isn't even possible for the techs in the very first tier.
But if this is quantitatively break even, qualitatively this is huge, because you can get the techs for which you have the eurekas even if you don't have any of their prerequisites and can't research them. It's a sort of wormhole into the later stages of the tech tree. Research mining, make a builder who improves three mines, and you can build an Industrial Zone before Ambiorix gets to build an Oppidum. That is nuts, or could be nuts if you do this with a strategy in mind that exploits whatever techs you can get way ahead of even Korea on Deity. An obvious strategy would involve doing exactly as above, get the ability to make Industrial Zones with your second tech in the game, spam those districts to enable you to build wonders you get to start before anyone else because you wormholed to their techs before anyone else could research them.
Build a Quarry-> Free Masonry, unlocking Ancient Walls.
Build Ancient Walls-> Free Engineering, unlocking Aquaduct.
Build Aqua-> Free Military Engineering, unlocking Armory.
Build Armory-> Free Gunpowder tech, unlocking Niter and Musketmen.
Build Musketmen, kill a unit-> Free Square Rigging Tech.
You now have Musketmen and Frigates before 1 BC :)
What about encampment that have two tier 1 buildings?
It would build the barracks as it cost less production
Build 3 Mines, unlock Workshops.
Build 3 Workshops, unlock Factories.
Oh hi there Ambiorix. Nice production bonuses, I'll take them :)
Seondeok: *SCREAMS*
I think you are severely underestimating the snowball potential of the district ability. A coastal city getting an instant lighthouse when finishing a harbor? It is a lot of free production you get up front and the extra great people points you get can be huge as well, especially with campuses.
I feel like Hamurabi should have something related to policies. Maybe Babylon starts with Code of Laws unlocked from turn 1 or you get the legacy policy cards from each government
It doesn't look like it, but you're right, it should have that. I'm surprised their first ability doesn't give a bonus wildcard slot or maybe the suggests you had.... weird
@7:30 Saxy, i have to disagree man. Do you have any idea how much free production that is? And you’re earning great people earlier, and you get a trade route earlier when you build a commercial hub or harbor. I know it only counts the first time you build a district, but getting all those buildings earlier (and with less production) than you would with a normal civ adds up to being a pretty major bonus
This sounds extremely interesting with scrambled tech mode. The science map is going to look insane mid game.
I wonder if you have to have the prerequisite techs researched for the ability to give you the tech. If not the ability is insane especially on slower game speeds.
Think about this start on a water map (note that this does not need a single point of research):
1. settle at the cost get free Sailing
2. improve 2 water resources get Celestial Navigation
3. build 2 galleys and get free Shipbuilding
Or even more crazy (note that this does not need a single point of research):
1. build 3 slingers and kill a barb get free archery
2. upgrade to archers get free Machinery
3. upgrade to Crossbowmen get Metal Casting
4 -> got to town with crossbows and bombards while everyone else still is on warriors
So question about this new civ as AI. If they get eurekas at the start on higher difficulty wont that just give them full research for all those eurekas?
Yes, maybe we will finally meet an Ai capable of killing us
Imagine getting great person that gives tech boost to all tech in information era...
Anyone else notice that bronze working does not include their new unit? Even in the first Nov patch video they were building it before they had bronze working.
I think it’s actually a warrior replacement, it says it’s a melee class not an anti-cav
Did we see any warriors? May be a warrior replacement due to 17 combat strength.
@@Cyhawkx However at 2:45 you see that it was unlocked for era score after classical era. Warrior would be unlocked right away for era score. Most likely just a stand alone UU at this point. Still no idea what tech would unlock it... I've ruled out bronze, iron, archery and masonry from tech tree we have seen. (No UU icon)
Babylon gets Euclid, Euclid gives boost to stirrups, Babylon upgrades chariot into knight, knight kills unit, Babylon gets military science, upgrades horseman to cavalry in the classical era
You can get ship building on the first round, they are VERY strong
The Main thing about this civ is being able to keep up with science while doing other stuff like economy or warfare
Does anyone know the version number of the pack?
Sound good for small maps! Les plases to build that first district...
The Palgum does make deserts kinda bearable
Probably the most polarized civ, every game they will either be the very best or the very worst. Regardless, they are very interesting and I'm extremely excited to try them out, so kudos to Firaxis.
Umm... the city center is treated as a district. Does that mean his capital gets a free monument on turn one?
I think on Marathon speed they're going to be nuckin futz because you have enough time to send your slinger out to kill shit and whatnot
On faster speeds they might suck though.
I feel like Babylon is going to be S tier in all victories **except** science.
Yes, the -50 penalty and the fact that late techs required for science victory are not boosted except through spies make me think that way too.
@@Masteuhrcard but you would be so far ahead in the tech tree at that point it wouldn't matter about actually researching 1 or 2 techs
@@bigfudge2031 I know but these first 4 techs witch are not boosted will be hard to hard tech like 20 turns in normal speed. And if you are way far ahead, you will not be able to steal late techs from the AI
So, if you kill a unit with a slinger, kill three barbarians, mine a bronze, quarry a stone, build a water mill, build a city walls, and build three archers, you get crossbowmen by like turn 30. Right?
The AI playing this Civ on deity with all the bonuses is just going to be absolutely freaking ridiculous to the point of being almost unbeatable, especially given that the AI play in general got improved quite a bit over the last few months of updates.
I feel like Babylon will be one of those highly skilled players only civs.
Not really, you can boost half the tech tree with gold.
Even bad players only need 1 or 2 advanced techs from the next era and the AI couldn't compete with them.
If the district ability only works once then it might actually fit a one city challenge
You underevalueted this civ. This is going to be the strongest of all in right hand. Agree with that beginners will suffer a lot.
After 20 turns you can have crossbowman and knight or musketman by 50. In pangea map at turn 100 you are the winner
I think you're sleeping a little on their first ability. I could be wrong, but an early game boost to all your districts seems like strictly free resources you don't have to spend; and the returns of buildings like libraries and markets will be coming in earlier than other civs to get you some easy momentum. Early game bonuses pay off the most in the late game after all
Babylon can get crossbows and pike and shot in ancient era. build 3 slinges, kill barbarian to instantly research archery, upgrade slingers to archers to instantly research machinery, upgrade archers to crossbows to instantly research metal casting. kill everyone with crossbows and pike and shot.