Others have said it, but I think guard pulling should not be allowed. As you state in the video, wrestling makes the match more exciting. Secondly, I would take a page out of NCAA wrestling and reward the bottom athlete for getting back to their feet if they are taken down.
I agree with your second part but guard pulling is always going to be apart of jiu jitsu I think that a better solution is to just give more points for takedowns so people will prioritize that over guard pulling
@@cdr2671real guard pulls that bring your opponent to the ground and into your guard will always be a part of jiujitsu, sitting down five feet away from your opponent and scooting towards them was never real jiujitsu
It's crazy that the only ruleset that effectively encourages action in submission grappling is the one you didnt mention; UWW. Literally impossible to hard stall in this ruleset without throwing the match.
I like CJJ and EBI however I think EBI needs to introduce the molly-whop rule to stop competitors from stalling. What is the molly-whop rule? Essentially the molly-whop rule is, if in regulation a competitor is getting destroyed by the other competitor i.e. like Eddie Cummings did to Boogie Martinez without Eddie getting a submission, then there would be no overtime. Eddie Cummings would have won the match. Hence if you a getting your guard constantly passed, put in submissions, and you are just surviving with minimal offense you are going to lose the match - no overtime for you, no exceptions. One of Eddie's students uses the molly-whop rule (it was his idea) in his tournaments and he has eliminated boring stalling matches.
You’ve made an interesting case for the turtle rule in ADCC. I have not been a fan of the idea that a takedown isn’t scored unless they are on their butt for 3 seconds. For instance, if we are on the ground, and I am attacking you from turtle, and we got there because I initiated takedown. Then I de facto took you down, and that should be awarded! That said, the case you’ve outlined here, could be that the benefits of that rule on other aspects of the game may out weigh that negative. Interesting case.
I would love to see the karate combat boundaries, you also can't just lean against the fence because of the 90-degree angle. I think the position resets are always annoying and I would like to have as little referee intervention as possible
The main problem with most rulesets is that points exist. Points have no place in jiu jitsu, however advantages should. Most importantly, don't pull guard. Be a man.
I think sub only is the way to go. If that means no time limit, so be it. I also guarantee if the UFC had no rounds and no time limit and no judges and allowed all fights to go to KO TKO or Sub more people would watch.
One thing to note in the submission only events they get paid to show not to win. So if you are boring you wont get invited back. No one cares about the boring stalling winner. Quintet aside from adcc is pretty fun to watch.
i like ONE`s graplling ruleset, there are no points, but if the match goes the length most legit submission atempts win, if there are none the one who was more active wins. There has almost been no boring match (ive seen) with this ruleset, so i guess it is good at encuraging submissions and agression
I like CJJ, I was leery of the perceived gimmick of the ruleset at first but I think it's neat overall. I've seen some very fun matches. That said, I do have some complaints regarding EBI and CJJ's submission-only & Overtime ruleset. Eddie Bravo's premise was to do away with the artificiality that comes with a points system and judges while encouraging more exciting matches. Okay, great in principle. Not only is everything said in the video occasionally true about potentially boring matches in EBI, but IMO it gets worse because the ruleset fails at delivering on its own premise. What I mean by this is that Ride Time is, functionally speaking, just a points system in all but name. Eddie Bravo can say whatever he wants, but how is controlling a mandated position for 0.5 seconds longer than your opponent less of an arbitrary & artificial system than being awarded points for takedowns, guard passes, etc.? Furthermore, I think it creates situations where the better grappler doesn't always win the match. I've seen EBI matches where one guy -- we'll call him Grappler A -- absolutely dominates the Regulation period: consistently takes his opponent (Grappler B) down, wins every scramble, controls every position, threatens with multiple tight submissions, etc. but isn't quite able to finish the job inside the allotted time. Then they go to Overtime. Grappler A who did really well in Regulation ends up losing in Overtime -- not by getting subbed, but by a margin of a few seconds or even fractions of a second of ride time. By a margin so small that a potential timekeeping error could sway it in his direction and it took forever for the officials to tally up both guys' scores and double-check their work. Now you can try to tell me that Grappler A was the inferior competitor on the night despite the fact that I watched him absolutely dominate his opponent for ten minutes before losing the "game" of Overtime by a few fractions of a second... but I don't know that I buy it.
My 3 favorite rulesets: - no time limit 10 or tap: stalling becomes useless, and you need to actually know how to defend positions, not only submissions like in sub only. - This one I don't think has ecer been mentioned and I don't think it has a name: the game from physical 100 where the one that has the ball when the time runs out wins. - Quintet
@@JoshRichBJJ Honestly, people keep saying that. But I haven't seen a lot of stalling in the EBI rules. People usually go for it. Because you get paid for each submission, you do and regulation. The stalling is not that common.
I don't see why jiu-jitsu rules are so hard. Pulling guard should be result in a negative of some sort, stalling shouldn't be allowed, points shouldn't exist, time limit should be 8-10 minutes with EBI overtime (except 3 rounds, 90 seconds per round), and if there is no submission, neutral judges decision. I think I covered it all.
@@KiDsHoToNe I agree. If you can't submit someone, you didn't beat them. The only reason I'd add judges is because if half of the matches would just end in a draw, if the match making is done well.
@@johnnycaraltawhat , if don’t pin someone in wrestling it goes to points, if someone doesn’t get knock out or sub in mma it goes to points/score , if you don’t knock someone out in boxing it goes to score cards. If you are dominant in a match you should win . Should scoring be fixed yes but to have no point system is dumb.
@@natecox2103 Points ruin jiu jitsu. If you don't submit them, are you really dominating? That's why I mentioned judges though, that where somebody still wins.
@@johnnycaralta if you are being smashed and mounted and back taken and barley escaping or surviving , you are being dominated, some people are just really good at escaping submission but then they get stuck under dominate positions the entire time.That’s not a draw that’s someone that’s was just trying to to survive.
Alot of positions and moves dont work when you can get hit in the fuckn face lol. Thats y 50% of the subs in ufc were rear nakeds and the rest were like guillotines and triangle variations.
Really good overview! I think pulling guard should generally just be neutral, like using turtle. Doesn't get you a negative but doesn't get you a positive either.
@@iggs67 That's reasonable too! Gets away from the touch hands and sit down business. If I pull guard, I try to make sure it's from some tie up or at least solid grips
I think the UWW actually has the best ruleset. It's a points ruleset, but you can't stall and they have specific time limits for stalling instead of it being subjective and it is very aggressive. If you stall you will lose. Stalling gives your opponent 1 point and if you give 3 stalling points in a match you lose, no matter what the score. One of the best examples of how ive seen this was a absolute gi match. The much bigger guy was trying the "be fat" tactic you see in most ibjjf absolute matches, but he got DQ'd like 3 minutes into the match for stalling. None of the matches are boring, or if they are they end quick because someone will just get DQd.
Make the point system like boxing where nobody knows for sure who is winning intil the end. That will increase tempo in every single match you just described. #WorkDone
Negative 1 for guard pull, 1 point for pushout would fix alot of the problems imo. When both competitors have same number of advantages it should go to the athlete with more ride time. Top position should be rewarded more.
I like no weight classes, no time limit and palm strikes. Jujitsu was used in ancient times as a combat martial art. Samurai warriors didn't pull guard.
At the end of the day the thing that makes it complicated is the entertainment aspect of it. No time rules could be boring cuz its too long, even tho its the purest most definitive answer.
Ya that’s why I thought Who’s Next was a pretty good idea for a show. Submission only rule set, but not live so it can be cut together to be entertaining.
to take part in i prefer no time limit sub only but to watch adcc but i dont like the rule in the finals and semie finals that guard pulling at any point is penalized.
who could say no to 2 hours of cuddling? no time limit is the best 😏
Keeping jiu jitsu gay
@@marekslusny9766it's a joke
As a Jiu Jitsu practitioner I agree
@@U5yh Im saying its a good thing to keep jiu jitsu gay
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Quintet 5x5 is my favorite lol 🔥
Quintet is sick I should have included it
You are right about that Kevin. The strategy included in Quintet makes it exciting. Aiga is pretty good also.
And now there's AIGA too! The team formats are really interesting.
@@JoshRichBJJjust put it in the tournaments vid
Came looking for a Quintet comment. I really enjoy watching because of the added team aspect.
Others have said it, but I think guard pulling should not be allowed. As you state in the video, wrestling makes the match more exciting. Secondly, I would take a page out of NCAA wrestling and reward the bottom athlete for getting back to their feet if they are taken down.
I agree with your second part but guard pulling is always going to be apart of jiu jitsu I think that a better solution is to just give more points for takedowns so people will prioritize that over guard pulling
@@cdr2671 Why would guard pulling always be a part of jiu-jitsu?
Bjj wrestling is horrible to watch. 2 guys trying to collar tie for the whole match. It would kill the sport in a blink.
@@cdr2671real guard pulls that bring your opponent to the ground and into your guard will always be a part of jiujitsu, sitting down five feet away from your opponent and scooting towards them was never real jiujitsu
It's crazy that the only ruleset that effectively encourages action in submission grappling is the one you didnt mention; UWW. Literally impossible to hard stall in this ruleset without throwing the match.
I like CJJ and EBI however I think EBI needs to introduce the molly-whop rule to stop competitors from stalling. What is the molly-whop rule? Essentially the molly-whop rule is, if in regulation a competitor is getting destroyed by the other competitor i.e. like Eddie Cummings did to Boogie Martinez without Eddie getting a submission, then there would be no overtime. Eddie Cummings would have won the match. Hence if you a getting your guard constantly passed, put in submissions, and you are just surviving with minimal offense you are going to lose the match - no overtime for you, no exceptions.
One of Eddie's students uses the molly-whop rule (it was his idea) in his tournaments and he has eliminated boring stalling matches.
Nice rule
You’ve made an interesting case for the turtle rule in ADCC.
I have not been a fan of the idea that a takedown isn’t scored unless they are on their butt for 3 seconds.
For instance, if we are on the ground, and I am attacking you from turtle, and we got there because I initiated takedown. Then I de facto took you down, and that should be awarded!
That said, the case you’ve outlined here, could be that the benefits of that rule on other aspects of the game may out weigh that negative.
Interesting case.
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I train at 10th Planet NYC, drop by sometime and we can get a roll!
I would love to see the karate combat boundaries, you also can't just lean against the fence because of the 90-degree angle. I think the position resets are always annoying and I would like to have as little referee intervention as possible
The main problem with most rulesets is that points exist. Points have no place in jiu jitsu, however advantages should.
Most importantly, don't pull guard. Be a man.
Stay hard!!!!
Always a good day when josh posts
I think sub only is the way to go. If that means no time limit, so be it. I also guarantee if the UFC had no rounds and no time limit and no judges and allowed all fights to go to KO TKO or Sub more people would watch.
One big 25 min round
One thing to note in the submission only events they get paid to show not to win. So if you are boring you wont get invited back. No one cares about the boring stalling winner. Quintet aside from adcc is pretty fun to watch.
Combat JiuJitsu 🐐
i like ONE`s graplling ruleset, there are no points, but if the match goes the length most legit submission atempts win, if there are none the one who was more active wins.
There has almost been no boring match (ive seen) with this ruleset, so i guess it is good at encuraging submissions and agression
I like CJJ, I was leery of the perceived gimmick of the ruleset at first but I think it's neat overall. I've seen some very fun matches.
That said, I do have some complaints regarding EBI and CJJ's submission-only & Overtime ruleset. Eddie Bravo's premise was to do away with the artificiality that comes with a points system and judges while encouraging more exciting matches. Okay, great in principle. Not only is everything said in the video occasionally true about potentially boring matches in EBI, but IMO it gets worse because the ruleset fails at delivering on its own premise.
What I mean by this is that Ride Time is, functionally speaking, just a points system in all but name. Eddie Bravo can say whatever he wants, but how is controlling a mandated position for 0.5 seconds longer than your opponent less of an arbitrary & artificial system than being awarded points for takedowns, guard passes, etc.?
Furthermore, I think it creates situations where the better grappler doesn't always win the match. I've seen EBI matches where one guy -- we'll call him Grappler A -- absolutely dominates the Regulation period: consistently takes his opponent (Grappler B) down, wins every scramble, controls every position, threatens with multiple tight submissions, etc. but isn't quite able to finish the job inside the allotted time. Then they go to Overtime. Grappler A who did really well in Regulation ends up losing in Overtime -- not by getting subbed, but by a margin of a few seconds or even fractions of a second of ride time. By a margin so small that a potential timekeeping error could sway it in his direction and it took forever for the officials to tally up both guys' scores and double-check their work. Now you can try to tell me that Grappler A was the inferior competitor on the night despite the fact that I watched him absolutely dominate his opponent for ten minutes before losing the "game" of Overtime by a few fractions of a second... but I don't know that I buy it.
My 3 favorite rulesets:
- no time limit 10 or tap: stalling becomes useless, and you need to actually know how to defend positions, not only submissions like in sub only.
- This one I don't think has ecer been mentioned and I don't think it has a name: the game from physical 100 where the one that has the ball when the time runs out wins.
- Quintet
these rulesets are the reason why i switched to wrestling lol, screw guard pulling (i cant get through guards)
I mean, submission only, no time limit is the purest form of any grappling style.
I would say Submission only is the pure choice.
If you're going to strike then might as well be a MMA fight.
I'd love rounds for NoGi matches, where you have to push as much as you can in 5 minutes
MMA is the best jiujitsu ruleset
change my mind
Guard pulling should always be -1
I’d gladly do jiu jitsu for 2 hours strait
I think a hybrid of ADCC and EBI would be the best ruleset
That would honestly be pretty cool, would stop people from stalling in regulation perhaps
@@JoshRichBJJ Introducing the Molly-whop rule I explained above would eliminate EBI stalling.
@@JoshRichBJJ Honestly, people keep saying that. But I haven't seen a lot of stalling in the EBI rules. People usually go for it. Because you get paid for each submission, you do and regulation. The stalling is not that common.
Great vid! Ive been doing bjj for years now and never really understood shit about this systems.
Thenx bruh ❤
Happy to hear it helped!
And I thought judo had a shitty ruleset lol
There should be a guard pull only rule set
That’s my kind of rule set
Need some new competition Vid josh.
Don't forget car Jiu Jiutsu :D
combat bjj need up kicks
can you do a video on "kiss of the dragon"? thanks
What does kissing dragons have to do with bjj
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2:17 Bro naahhhhhhhh 😭😭😭😭😭
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I don't see why jiu-jitsu rules are so hard. Pulling guard should be result in a negative of some sort, stalling shouldn't be allowed, points shouldn't exist, time limit should be 8-10 minutes with EBI overtime (except 3 rounds, 90 seconds per round), and if there is no submission, neutral judges decision.
I think I covered it all.
Exactly, no sub no win. Be better next time lol
@@KiDsHoToNe I agree. If you can't submit someone, you didn't beat them. The only reason I'd add judges is because if half of the matches would just end in a draw, if the match making is done well.
@@johnnycaraltawhat , if don’t pin someone in wrestling it goes to points, if someone doesn’t get knock out or sub in mma it goes to points/score , if you don’t knock someone out in boxing it goes to score cards. If you are dominant in a match you should win . Should scoring be fixed yes but to have no point system is dumb.
@@natecox2103 Points ruin jiu jitsu. If you don't submit them, are you really dominating? That's why I mentioned judges though, that where somebody still wins.
@@johnnycaralta if you are being smashed and mounted and back taken and barley escaping or surviving , you are being dominated, some people are just really good at escaping submission but then they get stuck under dominate positions the entire time.That’s not a draw that’s someone that’s was just trying to to survive.
I think Combat Jiu Jitsu kinda put into perspective why people don’t really enjoy watching pure grappling. Shits fake 😂
Yeah sure. Being choked unconscious by a rear naked choke is fake. 🤷🏽♂️
Alot of positions and moves dont work when you can get hit in the fuckn face lol. Thats y 50% of the subs in ufc were rear nakeds and the rest were like guillotines and triangle variations.
Really good overview! I think pulling guard should generally just be neutral, like using turtle. Doesn't get you a negative but doesn't get you a positive either.
I think pulling guard should be prohibited, unless it's done from a tie up.
@@iggs67 That's reasonable too! Gets away from the touch hands and sit down business. If I pull guard, I try to make sure it's from some tie up or at least solid grips
AIGA ruleset
I think ONE FC has the best ruleset , the only downside is that it depends on the quality of the ref
I think the UWW actually has the best ruleset. It's a points ruleset, but you can't stall and they have specific time limits for stalling instead of it being subjective and it is very aggressive. If you stall you will lose. Stalling gives your opponent 1 point and if you give 3 stalling points in a match you lose, no matter what the score. One of the best examples of how ive seen this was a absolute gi match. The much bigger guy was trying the "be fat" tactic you see in most ibjjf absolute matches, but he got DQ'd like 3 minutes into the match for stalling. None of the matches are boring, or if they are they end quick because someone will just get DQd.
Can we finally stop parroting that JiuJitsu is the greatest martial art??
What is
@@jmohan7530 Folkstyle Wrestling.
I like ebi
Make the point system like boxing where nobody knows for sure who is winning intil the end. That will increase tempo in every single match you just described. #WorkDone
ADCC 👑
you missed quintet, wno and new weird ufc invitational ruleset
you should take a look at the uww grappling ruleset
CJJ just seems like less well rounded MMA imo
My favorite rules was quintet but the last event was kind of boring so I’m not so sure anymore.
Negative 1 for guard pull, 1 point for pushout would fix alot of the problems imo. When both competitors have same number of advantages it should go to the athlete with more ride time. Top position should be rewarded more.
negative one guard pull is stupid asf
Penalizing guard pulling is stupid. I'm trying to see bjj, especially submissions, not shitty wrestling
The only rule set that works is ebi
Great video!
Thanks!
TIL Gordon slapped Andre
good vid
Thanks man
Powerslap + BJJ = CJJ
Quintet is king 🫡
EBI is by far the best rules set if you actually wanna watch jiu jitsu
But you don't watch jiu jitsu, you just watch submissions attemps and escapes. No positional control or defense.
I like no weight classes, no time limit and palm strikes. Jujitsu was used in ancient times as a combat martial art. Samurai warriors didn't pull guard.
Maybe the only guard they’d pull was a standing Kani Basami, which of course would rip the enemies acl or mcl off. 😂
They had weapons
3:31 “when you know someone is better then you, you can just stall and wait for overtime” - Cuts to Gordon stalling with Nicky Rod
I think you meant to say Nicky stalling until he got to start on Gordon’s back in overtime.
At the end of the day the thing that makes it complicated is the entertainment aspect of it. No time rules could be boring cuz its too long, even tho its the purest most definitive answer.
Ya that’s why I thought Who’s Next was a pretty good idea for a show.
Submission only rule set, but not live so it can be cut together to be entertaining.
Competed in my first comp at the adcc open in Austin and that shit was so much fun
to take part in i prefer no time limit sub only but to watch adcc but i dont like the rule in the finals and semie finals that guard pulling at any point is penalized.
Saying that someone is stalling when you were the one that literally sat down is pretty funny