Wonderful video as always, and the news of you collaborating with my friend Douglas Brooks is very exciting (06:12) As a traditional timberwright (et al. skills) who specializes in Asian folk styles of archtiecture and crafts among others (how Doug and I met) I can contest that the normative culture in Japan has shifted a great deal in the last century within many aspects because of the internet's cultural exchange capacity and "outsiders" sincere and genuine interest in seeing these ancient traditions preserved. As a "student" of many of these art forms and meeting several masters over the years I can contest (from their own views of themselves even) that they are as "bad at" teaching as they are as masters of many art forms. The transitional generations have now realized this and "race" nor ethnicity has nothing at all to do with their choice of whom to teach but whether someone will sincerely protect that knowledge. We even have "blade smiths" now that are the only linaged holders of certain traditions that are "not Japanese" which would, as you suggest, not have happened in the past. You kind of lost me on the "rebar" or "galvanized" comment at 08:27...and I could be confused by your meaning for sure...but I'm fairly certain neither of those alloys would work for these types of typically "wrought iron" fastener. Most are often slightly curved in geometry for the function they serve also as I know and understand them... Love the channel and the service you do to this art form and craft...!!!
The rebar nails was merely a means of learning with available free materials. I would use mild steel for the real stuff but wrought iron would be better still if I can lay my hands on some. Douglas requested that I look into galvanizing as well which is locally available to me.
@@Nomadboatbuilding Thank you so much for explaining that...I was clearly confused, and knew I was not understanding your meaning...I have not talk to Douglas for a while but I had wondered about galv or stainless steel...yet like the idea of being authentic too. Thanks again for your reply and what you share...
Stainless is pretty much impossible to forge. I suppose a stamping method could work but the volume is so low, there would be little point in anybody making them. As maintaining tradition is the whole point of these boats in this day and age, it stands to reason that you want that tradition to carry through to the fasteners too. Maybe that should be Douglas' next are to focus on while he still can find the old timers who do it.
@@Nomadboatbuilding I agree 100% that stainless is an absolute bear to work by hand, when working bigger pieces, and some types can outgas rather nasty stuff if working day in and out with it, but as my mentor told me "don't sniff stuff that stinks...LOL" I've forged it more than once (or worked with those that do) in the "blade smithing" realm so with "power hammers" and related it is not really that difficult at all, just something to get accustomed to. I don't keep all this in my head, numbers wise so had to reference..."...The most common stainless steels used for forging are 304/304L, 316/316L, and ferritic. 304/304L is easy to forge, but requires higher temperatures than other austenitic stainless steels..." Additionally I know I made a few small cut nails for a door, just to see what it was like, way back in the 70s out of an old stainless steel knife that did not come out half bad though a bit brittle, which was my fault in improper tempering I think (?) Now with "BoobTube University" it is not difficult to find several enterprising young "Smiths" forging stainless. I also agree fully, and that is more my realm and focus, is full authentic restoration-replication of objects found in antiquity. I do own my bias there fully from clothing attire to timber frame architecture, I find little that is "modern" to be better than traditional means and methods...just less durable, makes money for some industry, and typically breaks within 10 to 15 years so you have to replace it with another industrial product that will also wear out fast...LOL...I'm really looking forward to your pending series of videos that will cover all these potential projects you shared in this video. Thank you again for your reply...
Mark, thanks for the update! Interesting stuff.
Thanks for watching!
Wonderful video as always, and the news of you collaborating with my friend Douglas Brooks is very exciting (06:12) As a traditional timberwright (et al. skills) who specializes in Asian folk styles of archtiecture and crafts among others (how Doug and I met) I can contest that the normative culture in Japan has shifted a great deal in the last century within many aspects because of the internet's cultural exchange capacity and "outsiders" sincere and genuine interest in seeing these ancient traditions preserved. As a "student" of many of these art forms and meeting several masters over the years I can contest (from their own views of themselves even) that they are as "bad at" teaching as they are as masters of many art forms. The transitional generations have now realized this and "race" nor ethnicity has nothing at all to do with their choice of whom to teach but whether someone will sincerely protect that knowledge. We even have "blade smiths" now that are the only linaged holders of certain traditions that are "not Japanese" which would, as you suggest, not have happened in the past.
You kind of lost me on the "rebar" or "galvanized" comment at 08:27...and I could be confused by your meaning for sure...but I'm fairly certain neither of those alloys would work for these types of typically "wrought iron" fastener. Most are often slightly curved in geometry for the function they serve also as I know and understand them...
Love the channel and the service you do to this art form and craft...!!!
The rebar nails was merely a means of learning with available free materials. I would use mild steel for the real stuff but wrought iron would be better still if I can lay my hands on some. Douglas requested that I look into galvanizing as well which is locally available to me.
@@Nomadboatbuilding Thank you so much for explaining that...I was clearly confused, and knew I was not understanding your meaning...I have not talk to Douglas for a while but I had wondered about galv or stainless steel...yet like the idea of being authentic too. Thanks again for your reply and what you share...
Stainless is pretty much impossible to forge. I suppose a stamping method could work but the volume is so low, there would be little point in anybody making them. As maintaining tradition is the whole point of these boats in this day and age, it stands to reason that you want that tradition to carry through to the fasteners too. Maybe that should be Douglas' next are to focus on while he still can find the old timers who do it.
@@Nomadboatbuilding I agree 100% that stainless is an absolute bear to work by hand, when working bigger pieces, and some types can outgas rather nasty stuff if working day in and out with it, but as my mentor told me "don't sniff stuff that stinks...LOL" I've forged it more than once (or worked with those that do) in the "blade smithing" realm so with "power hammers" and related it is not really that difficult at all, just something to get accustomed to. I don't keep all this in my head, numbers wise so had to reference..."...The most common stainless steels used for forging are 304/304L, 316/316L, and ferritic. 304/304L is easy to forge, but requires higher temperatures than other austenitic stainless steels..." Additionally I know I made a few small cut nails for a door, just to see what it was like, way back in the 70s out of an old stainless steel knife that did not come out half bad though a bit brittle, which was my fault in improper tempering I think (?) Now with "BoobTube University" it is not difficult to find several enterprising young "Smiths" forging stainless.
I also agree fully, and that is more my realm and focus, is full authentic restoration-replication of objects found in antiquity. I do own my bias there fully from clothing attire to timber frame architecture, I find little that is "modern" to be better than traditional means and methods...just less durable, makes money for some industry, and typically breaks within 10 to 15 years so you have to replace it with another industrial product that will also wear out fast...LOL...I'm really looking forward to your pending series of videos that will cover all these potential projects you shared in this video. Thank you again for your reply...
@ I’m going to the forge this weekend so maybe I’ll bring some 304 along to play with but I will stick good old mild steel for my nails.
How do you find the time to build boats, do blacksmithing, play music, AND put out videos?
I just squeeze them in between my other hobbies.
Some of those are A.I. Mark, who once again has ignored my suggestion to include a shop dog.
@ still waiting on my miniature sled dog order Bob. Just saying.
I do hope someone picks up on the pool fishing boat❤ 😊
I hope so too!
Where do you get the silicon bronze Robertson fasteners? Love the channel!
You can get them from Top Notch Fasteners in the USA and Pacific Fasteners in Vancouver, Canada.
@@Nomadboatbuilding Great, thank you so much!
Maybe you could approach Joe to send you some photos of his wherry in the water - just a thought.
I did. Those were in the final video.
Don't you DARE swap hats!!! :)
I hope you get a customer or two for that dinghy. It looks really nice......and more what I'm used to, being a Brit.
I hope so too!
Worn out! Nah just getting broken in surely. Thanks for not doing #7.
My pleasure.
I'm one of the under 55s watching on a phone😂