Thank you, this is great information! We did a 3 day trip this last weekend from Boulder Canyon, to La barge Pool, to Charlebois Springs, and out Peralta. I have never seen so much water out there! Boulder Canyon was a 30' wide river! Keep up the great videos! Maybe someday we will run in to you out on the trail again.
That's a good end to end route! I was out this weekend as well, tried hard to keep my feet dry in La Barge Canyon...finally gave up and just accepted the fact that they're gonna be wet! Awesome time to be out there.
Another good video. These are the ones I’ve come across as being the most reliable. The Green Trails map is also a nice thing to have handy. Very good mapping of established trails and all of the creeks and springs are identified. I’ll be out there for a few days next week
Hi MoonJuice! This is a very helpful video. Thank you. FYI, I once hiked the Massacre Falls Trail in the western Sups during a dry period and saw water falling. There was not a lot of water falling; it was more like a very large trickle. So, Massacre Falls is likely an unreliable water source.
That’s right PW, Massacre is another one of those spots that has plenty of agua after some rain, bone dry in the summer! Nice looking waterfall when it’s flowing though, eh?
thanks for the videos man as a solo hiker whos starting to do some serious mileage your channel is great for helping me plan ahead and having an idea of what to expect
Awesome, glad you are finding these useful. Whenever Im going somewhere new, it really sets my mind at ease if I can see it first (water source, camp spots, trail conditions). Just paying it forward!
Nothing to add, just wanted to say great video. We were out on the Bluff Springs trail in the snow a week ago and going there will still be water running this weekend from some of that. One more nod for GnR from me, too!
I hiked the Supes for the first time last November, and camped at Charlebois Springs. I couldn't believe how clear the water was! A very nice pool of clear water that I almost felt like didn't need filtered. There was some nice flat spots to pitch tents also. I normally like to hike in the Sycamore Canyon Wilderness, because it's closer to home, but water is very unreliable there. We normally have to hike out a few days before and establish a water cache. Otherwise, we are carrying 20 lbs of water 😆. Thanks for the awesome video!
Hey Mark, I was planning to hit Sycamore Canyon in the next month or so. I heard there was a cistern behind Taylor Cabin. Can you confirm? Is that a reliable water source if Sycamore Creek is dry? Or is there any other water source that I can rely on? Thanks!
@@MoonJuiceHikes Me and a coworker hiked Dogie Trail to the Sycamore Basin Trail to Taylor Cabin last year, and there were no reliable water sources. There is no cistern behind Taylor Cabin. However, with all of the rain we have had lately, I think there would be a good chance of water in Sycamore Creek. There should be some pools of water especially in the shaded areas. Make sure you checkout the cave at Taylor Cabin; it has a cool skylight. You can camp at Taylor Cabin, but there is cool place to camp on Dogie Trail just after you cross the creek. My friend set-up his hammock, and I pitched my Big Agnes tent.
P.S. There is so supposed to be a trough, and a concrete dam across the creek from Taylor Cabin that I did not try to find. I still don't think it is a reliable water source, though. The Dutch Kid Dam is on the way to the cabin, but it's nothing but dirt fill behind the Dam. There is supposed to be an Indian ruin above the dam, but the approach was pretty steep, and I chickened out. I would still like to go back there, though and try it again. Checkout this link: npgallery.nps.gov/pdfhost/docs/NRHP/Text/85001580.pdf It is the Taylor Cabin NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES INVENTORY - NOMINATION FORM; and it has a lot of cool information.
Brad's water is often overlooked, thanks for the mention - big pool in Needle canyon near boulder tr xsection - under the windmill in Reed's old camp - and i've seen lately that the spring at Whetstone has been full.. in Fraser.
Good to know, thanks Mike! For this video, I was trying to include only those I know have water year round, even in August/September. Second Water, for example, almost always has water. But… late summer in 2020, it was a moist pile of algae or whatever that green stuff is. No actual water. I imagine that’s the case for 95% of the springs/creeks you can find on a map. 🤷♂️
@@MoonJuiceHikes odd, second water is usually dry, but the unnamed spring just down canyon is the wet one.. haha!! "should we name this spring that flows 90% of the time?" NAH
Can I ask please, I'm planning a trip to the Superstitions to do some hiking in the area. Are there any permanent water sources around the "Rough Canyon", "Paradise Canyon", "Windy Pass" region's that you know of? Would Reavis Saddle Spring be my best bet? Is that spring the same as "Reavis Spring that you mentioned in this video, or is it a different spring all together? Don't matter on the condition of the spring water. In the superstitions, or in any desert for that matter, water is water. If I'm dying of dehydration, I'll drink the water even if there's a turd floating in it.
Good question. Everything I mentioned is from the Arizona Trail west. I haven’t been anywhere east of the AZT. Reavis Creek runs through Reavis Ranch, a popular backpacking spot. That’s what I was referring to. I honestly haven’t heard of anything you mentioned. I guess I’ve focused all on the western supes. Sorry!
@@MoonJuiceHikes No problem. I'm a pilgrim planning to visit a strange land. I never expected you to know the entire landscape. I just want to be prepared for when I come out there. I don't like surprises, and I don't want to come out to a place like the Superstitions unprepared and unaware. That's a good way to end up dead. I have no intention of dying there... Not yet, anyway. When I travel there, I will be alone, so if I have any mishaps or accidents, it will likely lead to my own death if I am not careful. That said, forewarned is forearmed. The only other option I have is to bring my water with me, in a single large container, and leave a supply drop, on a particular trail that I intend to hike, at periodic stops. I'm surprised that you didn't go looking for "The Lost Dutchman" while you were out there. I am quite certain that you have heard of that. I do have one request. Do you get out to "El Sombrero", is it called, much? If you do, do you have any photo's? I would like to see Weaver's Needle, one of these days.
Left off second water because it was dry in the late summer of 2020. Also, it’s so close to a trailhead, I’ve never gotten water from it. I only wanted to list those that I am 100% certain will have water, even at the very end of a dry summer. I’d include it on the secondary sources that most likely will have water. Like Hackberry. I’m sure there are others.
Yes! Usually you can count on water there. However, I have seen it dry, or so nasty it didn’t seem filterable. When there has been some decent rain, it’s full and clean.
@@MoonJuiceHikes Thank you. I'm coming into the area for 3 months and going to tackle Battleship, Flatiron, Ridge, and other hikes in the area. Appreciate your help. Thinking about doing the big loop....ICON.
Thank you, this is great information! We did a 3 day trip this last weekend from Boulder Canyon, to La barge Pool, to Charlebois Springs, and out Peralta. I have never seen so much water out there! Boulder Canyon was a 30' wide river! Keep up the great videos! Maybe someday we will run in to you out on the trail again.
That's a good end to end route! I was out this weekend as well, tried hard to keep my feet dry in La Barge Canyon...finally gave up and just accepted the fact that they're gonna be wet! Awesome time to be out there.
@Moonjuice you are the next Supes legend! Thank you for all the great videos and hopefully our party will see you out there sometime. #planbadventures
Let’s gooo Theoooo!
Nice. Great info.
Another good video. These are the ones I’ve come across as being the most reliable. The Green Trails map is also a nice thing to have handy. Very good mapping of established trails and all of the creeks and springs are identified. I’ll be out there for a few days next week
Oh yeah, I always carry a Green Trails for back up. There are springs on GT that haven’t had a drop of water in them for decades though…
Hi MoonJuice! This is a very helpful video. Thank you.
FYI, I once hiked the Massacre Falls Trail in the western Sups during a dry period and saw water falling. There was not a lot of water falling; it was more like a very large trickle. So, Massacre Falls is likely an unreliable water source.
That’s right PW, Massacre is another one of those spots that has plenty of agua after some rain, bone dry in the summer! Nice looking waterfall when it’s flowing though, eh?
thanks for the videos man as a solo hiker whos starting to do some serious mileage your channel is great for helping me plan ahead and having an idea of what to expect
Awesome, glad you are finding these useful. Whenever Im going somewhere new, it really sets my mind at ease if I can see it first (water source, camp spots, trail conditions). Just paying it forward!
Thanks for the video. Ranger stations may have a list of where the water is.
Nothing to add, just wanted to say great video. We were out on the Bluff Springs trail in the snow a week ago and going there will still be water running this weekend from some of that.
One more nod for GnR from me, too!
Thanks for this video. Incredibly helpful! I wish I'd seen this in 2022 when I was first learning the Superstitions area.
Glad it’s helpful! Now you have a good reason to get back out there! 👍
I hiked the Supes for the first time last November, and camped at Charlebois Springs. I couldn't believe how clear the water was! A very nice pool of clear water that I almost felt like didn't need filtered. There was some nice flat spots to pitch tents also. I normally like to hike in the Sycamore Canyon Wilderness, because it's closer to home, but water is very unreliable there. We normally have to hike out a few days before and establish a water cache. Otherwise, we are carrying 20 lbs of water 😆. Thanks for the awesome video!
Hey Mark, I was planning to hit Sycamore Canyon in the next month or so. I heard there was a cistern behind Taylor Cabin. Can you confirm? Is that a reliable water source if Sycamore Creek is dry? Or is there any other water source that I can rely on? Thanks!
@@MoonJuiceHikes Me and a coworker hiked Dogie Trail to the Sycamore Basin Trail to Taylor Cabin last year, and there were no reliable water sources. There is no cistern behind Taylor Cabin. However, with all of the rain we have had lately, I think there would be a good chance of water in Sycamore Creek. There should be some pools of water especially in the shaded areas. Make sure you checkout the cave at Taylor Cabin; it has a cool skylight. You can camp at Taylor Cabin, but there is cool place to camp on Dogie Trail just after you cross the creek. My friend set-up his hammock, and I pitched my Big Agnes tent.
@@markwharton6108 awesome, thanks for the intel!
P.S. There is so supposed to be a trough, and a concrete dam across the creek from Taylor Cabin that I did not try to find. I still don't think it is a reliable water source, though. The Dutch Kid Dam is on the way to the cabin, but it's nothing but dirt fill behind the Dam. There is supposed to be an Indian ruin above the dam, but the approach was pretty steep, and I chickened out. I would still like to go back there, though and try it again.
Checkout this link: npgallery.nps.gov/pdfhost/docs/NRHP/Text/85001580.pdf
It is the Taylor Cabin NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES
INVENTORY - NOMINATION FORM; and it has a lot of cool information.
Brad's water is often overlooked, thanks for the mention - big pool in Needle canyon near boulder tr xsection - under the windmill in Reed's old camp - and i've seen lately that the spring at Whetstone has been full.. in Fraser.
Good to know, thanks Mike! For this video, I was trying to include only those I know have water year round, even in August/September. Second Water, for example, almost always has water. But… late summer in 2020, it was a moist pile of algae or whatever that green stuff is. No actual water. I imagine that’s the case for 95% of the springs/creeks you can find on a map. 🤷♂️
@@MoonJuiceHikes odd, second water is usually dry, but the unnamed spring just down canyon is the wet one.. haha!! "should we name this spring that flows 90% of the time?"
NAH
Second water is usually wet, rarely totally dry. The spring is not where the trail crosses water, that’s the overflow.
I've never seen water under that windmill at Reeds Water. But about 50 yards from there on the trail. Water.
I see the trail grooming volunteers have been persona non grata.
ok im digging the low key Guns n’ Roses
Yessss! I figured a discussion about water in the winter could use a little November Rain
Can I ask please, I'm planning a trip to the Superstitions to do some hiking in the area. Are there any permanent water sources around the "Rough Canyon", "Paradise Canyon", "Windy Pass" region's that you know of? Would Reavis Saddle Spring be my best bet? Is that spring the same as "Reavis Spring that you mentioned in this video, or is it a different spring all together? Don't matter on the condition of the spring water. In the superstitions, or in any desert for that matter, water is water. If I'm dying of dehydration, I'll drink the water even if there's a turd floating in it.
Good question. Everything I mentioned is from the Arizona Trail west. I haven’t been anywhere east of the AZT. Reavis Creek runs through Reavis Ranch, a popular backpacking spot. That’s what I was referring to. I honestly haven’t heard of anything you mentioned. I guess I’ve focused all on the western supes. Sorry!
@@MoonJuiceHikes No problem. I'm a pilgrim planning to visit a strange land. I never expected you to know the entire landscape. I just want to be prepared for when I come out there. I don't like surprises, and I don't want to come out to a place like the Superstitions unprepared and unaware. That's a good way to end up dead. I have no intention of dying there... Not yet, anyway. When I travel there, I will be alone, so if I have any mishaps or accidents, it will likely lead to my own death if I am not careful. That said, forewarned is forearmed. The only other option I have is to bring my water with me, in a single large container, and leave a supply drop, on a particular trail that I intend to hike, at periodic stops. I'm surprised that you didn't go looking for "The Lost Dutchman" while you were out there. I am quite certain that you have heard of that. I do have one request. Do you get out to "El Sombrero", is it called, much? If you do, do you have any photo's? I would like to see Weaver's Needle, one of these days.
😁👍
can you drink any of this water?
Not without filtering
No Second Water?
Left off second water because it was dry in the late summer of 2020. Also, it’s so close to a trailhead, I’ve never gotten water from it. I only wanted to list those that I am 100% certain will have water, even at the very end of a dry summer. I’d include it on the secondary sources that most likely will have water. Like Hackberry. I’m sure there are others.
Is Second Water Springs a reliable water source in the winter months?
Yes! Usually you can count on water there. However, I have seen it dry, or so nasty it didn’t seem filterable. When there has been some decent rain, it’s full and clean.
@@MoonJuiceHikes Thank you. I'm coming into the area for 3 months and going to tackle Battleship, Flatiron, Ridge, and other hikes in the area. Appreciate your help. Thinking about doing the big loop....ICON.
@@mikefyten7761 right on! The Supes are amazing. Let me know if you need any other info… good luck!
@@MoonJuiceHikes Would you be interested in joining me for a mad dash on the ICON..the big loop? Ultralight, a one day hike with minimal gear.
@@mikefyten7761 Seriously? 33 miles of rugged terrain, climbing Flatiron, Superstition Peak, and Battleship in one day?