The Untold Story of the First Elves and Valaquenta | LOTR LORE

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  • @robertherring9277
    @robertherring9277 2 дні тому +1

    Have added a few of your vudeos to my Tolkien Playlist. Its where I send friends who want to learn. I listen in the background while writing IEPs. A few of my middle school students really enjoy listning while they work in class. Great work.

    • @TalesOfTheRing
      @TalesOfTheRing  2 дні тому +1

      thanks so much for your support friend! It means a lot of for me!!

  • @ericbrown8238
    @ericbrown8238 5 днів тому +2

    I like your channel. I like the imagery. Please keep making more!

  • @Aurora2097
    @Aurora2097 4 дні тому +1

    The Book of lost tales has sketches for a story set among the wild elves of Koivie-Neni, where an Avar named Nuin awakens the two first elf children, Ermon and Elmir and teaches them language, later men separate into evil men serving Morgoths servant Fankil and good men who stay by the elves, theres a great Battle, the battle of Palisor after which the different people flee and spead into all directions... this story reminded me much of the myths Andreth tells to Finrod, how her ancestors built Morgoth a large temple and worshiped him by human sacrifices... now with the three Elf-fathers we get another piece of the puzzle... despite coming from so different stages and times in Tolkiens work they strangely align into a whole picture.

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 4 дні тому

      HUMAN children! Ermon and Elmir were mortals of course! The story has a Wizard king named Tû or Túvo whi is ruler of the twilight-elves of the waters of awakening.Some believed Tû had once been abducted by Morgoth and been his pupil, however he does not seem to be an evil character, rather an isolationist who mistrusts the humans... Tolkien says the Avari were led by Morwe and Nurwe in his later writings though, no Elf-Wizard Tû, instead he briefly used the name Thu for a predecessor of Sauron with no known connection to the first elves, though he reminds me of Fankil a lot.

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 4 дні тому +1

      HUMAN children, not elves!

    • @TalesOfTheRing
      @TalesOfTheRing  4 дні тому +2

      The story sketches from The Book of Lost Tales do indeed weave an intriguing narrative that aligns with later pieces of Tolkien’s legendarium. The tale of Ermon and Elmir, with their awakening and guidance by Nuin, offers a mythic origin for early interactions between Elves and Men, one that hints at the complex relationships and conflicts that would define Middle-earth’s early ages.
      The parallels to Andreth's recounting of her people's worship of Morgoth add another layer to this puzzle. It shows how Tolkien repeatedly revisited the themes of moral division, loyalty, and the influence of Morgoth across different times in his mythology. The Battle of Palisor could even echo the later struggles of the Free Peoples, showing an early form of the alliances and betrayals that would recur throughout Middle-earth's history.
      As for Tû or Túvo, his role as a "Wizard King" of the twilight-elves feels like a precursor to the later depiction of Sauron’s manipulation or the isolation of the Avari. It’s interesting that you link him to the isolationist tendencies Tolkien later assigned to certain Elves like the Avari under Morwë and Nurwë. While Tû’s mistrust of Men fits with the theme of estranged peoples, it’s fascinating how Tolkien later shifted the narrative to integrate broader themes of rebellion and estrangement in Middle-earth's cosmology.
      The early drafts, while often differing from the later Silmarillion canon, reveal how Tolkien was constantly refining his mythology. The overlaps you’ve pointed out-between Nuin, Fankil, and Thu-suggest that Tolkien was working through ideas of betrayal, loyalty, and the manipulation of early peoples. It’s incredible how these fragments, when pieced together, create a mosaic of Middle-earth’s history.

  • @northrendicecrown631
    @northrendicecrown631 4 дні тому +1

    The important thing is the wealth they weren’t born, which means they were there at the creation of the Earth. They were not destroyed. All the lamps were tipped over to the world.

  • @ericbrown8238
    @ericbrown8238 5 днів тому

    Tell us your thoughts on Tom Bombadil, or The Witch King Of Angmar!

    • @TalesOfTheRing
      @TalesOfTheRing  5 днів тому

      I have 2 videos of Tom Bombadil in my channel!! I will make on of the Witch Kings soon as possible, special for you!