Bill Belichick - Tom Brady split is the biggest mistake in league history - Skip I NFL I UNDISPUTED
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- It keeps looking like Tom Brady made the right decision to leave the New England Patriots for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. When asked if TB12 felt vindicated for leaving the Patriots, Tom Brady Sr. told Tom Curran quote: 'Damn right' and also added 'Belichick wanted him out the door and last year he threw 56 touchdowns. I think that's a pretty good year.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe discuss whether Bill Belichick's decision to move on from Brady will go down as the biggest mistake in NFL history.
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Nice segment guys... I almost muted shannon, but he started speaking with Nuance and paradoxical wisdom... Big difference from yesterday. I definitely think whoever pitched this up, deserves an atta boy.
Honestly shannon your overlooking people are willing to go to new england to play with brady no one wants to go to new england
He only needed a few peices in new england. Belichick didn't oblige. It's not more complicated than that. Tom is still great.
@UndisputedOnFS1 I love the 20 minute clips of high yield info, however, just like on live TV we dont get to see the video most of the time when they're showing replays or old clips probably copyrights, but i (we) miss that. And they're even more important on this video platform. The only place it isnt needed is the podcast, as it's audio. To the producers money wise, it could be a smart move to make this show a video replay podcast of the show, just saying, I'd watch and so say 2.12 million people as well.
@@healthcareanalyst8064 cringe...
Lets not forget, Belichick wanted to get rid of Brady before they won their last ring.
wasn't it even before the falcons superbowl? i'm not sure
i looked it up. it was before the 2017 season right after the falcons superbowl. you are right.
No wonder Brady balled out that season and won MVP. Too bad he couldn’t cap it off with a SB win. Otherwise that would’ve been another in your face moment.
Last two rings
i cant even begin to imagine the level of focus and mental TOUGHNESS required to perform that well where you're not even wanted! true true goat
It’s honestly laughable that people give BB all the passes in the universe for being a subpar drafter and GM. He passed up on Keenan allen, Nick Chubb, DK Metcalf and more.
Damn near every team passed on all those players
He passed up Warren Sapp too. Told his boy to draft Jonathan Baldwin over Julio Jones.
Yeah he's average at drafting players
@@internationalescapades1089 The point is that he was in position to draft each of these players and he whiffed. 2019, he could have taken Deebo, AJ Brown or DK, but he took N'Keal Harry. 2018, he could have taken Chubb, he took Sony Michel. 2017, he could have taken Carl Lawson, he took Derek Rivers. 2016, he could have taken James Bradbury, he took Cyrus Jones. 2013, he could have taken Keenan Allen, he took Aaron Dobson. It goes on. In all of these drafts, within the next two or three guys drafted at the same position there are absolute studs and Belichick drafted duds. The only guy that had his moments was Michel, but he's essentially a bust and Chubb is on a HOF type pace.
Dave Gettleman drafted Daniel Jones when in previous years and there after he gave up on Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Josh Rosen (not that he is good), justin herbert, justin fields, mac jones, DK Metkalf, AJ Brown. All while since then drafting an irrelevant Saquon Barkley with no Oline, a bust in Evan Engram, a trash Andrew Thomas, a person not in the league anymore, Deandre Baker and someone who has literally less yards than me in the NFL, Mr. Negative 2 yards aka Kedarius Toney smh. Believe Gettleman is worse than Bilicheck ever was.
This move just proved that Brady was the reason it was going great and that the coach got way more credit than he needed. Brady proved himself
Yup! Billicheat ain't nothing special without Brady!
Pats fan here, I'm starting to think Bill was holding back Brady all these years. In exception of 2007 season, Brady didn't have real weapons. Now that he does similar weapons to 2007, he's lighting it up.
Not sure if he was Intentionally holding him back cuz they always had a solid defense over those 20 years except for a couple seasons 2011 ish ……
Everyone knew this for years. When your 3 best targets are white guys
I'm a pre long pats fan and if anyone looks at Brady's career, all he does is win! From college to the pro's.
Its Belicheck that hasn't won sh*t without Brady and now it shows even more bruh
Brady made a living off of throwing the football fast af because the talent around him besides gronk was overall average. Most dudes he's played with can't win one on one on post or go routes in new england. Moss was the only true talented receiver Brady had in New England that could attack defenses from anywhere.
@@Dbd3k You mean the PAPER TIGER defense that couldn't be relied on to win 2 playoff games and routinely collapsed in big games (AFCCG and SB)?
Brady could have won more with Wade Phillips, Todd Bowles, Brian Billick,Tony Dungy, Mike Zimmer, Mike Shanahan, Matt Nagy, Sean McVay, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carrol, even Rex Ryan, because all of them would have given Brady a more decent and stable WR group.
Tom has won Super Bowls with less talent….. he deserves to have this much talent around him at this point in his career
Yeah I feel like only OG remember when he was rocking with kembrel Tompkins as his receiver 1 or even Reche Caldwell
Julian eldeman was his number one for years and he a qb turned reciever lol brady beat the falcons in the Super Bowl wit no gronk eldeman and Chris hogan but nobody wants to give him credit
@@royjones0824 yeah but edelman is also a slot receiver which means he isn’t a number 1
Iknow and that’s what I’m saying they had a slot reciever playing number one for years
Dude had guys like troy brown or gaffney. Bill gave brady 1 great wideout and he went 16-0
I will say it’s one of the biggest “Ha!!!! In yo face!!!!” Moments in sports history. He left and immediately won another Super Bowl lol.
Couldn't write a better movie.
@@Buttington_Headerson He also won the year he got suspended 4 games and Roger had to hand him the Super Bowl MVP that season 🤣. Brady got his payback immediately.
Lmaoo Ha
These team owners getting rid of great players at the end and not showing any loyalty to these players that showed loyalty to them... they did Peyton the same way. Even tho they could have kept him to mentor luck.. after they release him the next year he gets a ring too ... owners. I swear man
Facts
Watch 6:25, this is such a clear depiction of how much respect Shannon has for Skip to apologize for misunderstanding in that tone and manner
Unlike First Take, Skip actually likes Shannon and is grateful he doesn't need to get in a shouting match in a daily basis to get ratings.
That’s because they’re friends, unlike that other show where it’s just two guys that hate each other yelling at one another constantly
This game low key hype AF. Tom's return to Foxboro. First time we will see a Brady ran offense against a Belichik coached defense. The passing yard record will be on the line. And poor little Mac Jones is stuck in the middle of it all.
Y’all underestimating Mac Jones yet AGAIN
@@SigilOfAletheia he’s a rookie so no ones gonna say anything if he does horrible he’s playing an insane defense that terrorized mahomes but I’m hyped to see how he does
but it's also Brady vs. his Heir Apparent Mac Jones. so many storylines in this matchup, wouldn't surprise me if this game ends up being the most-watched regular-season game in NFL history
Mac is good don’t doubt him 👀 I’m calling Roty
Edit: don’t reply just look at stats 👌🏽
@@SigilOfAletheia He blows
Shannon Sharpe has a point if Bill Belichick wasn’t the one drafting players
And signing free agents or in bradys case not signing free agents
He liked tom coming out of the draft that’s why they drafted him but bill certainly isn’t the one who’s scouted him and it took one of the staff members on the team to say “Brady’s still on the board”
Draft is hit or miss now as far as free agents I think bill sign pretty good free agents a lot of ppl didn’t pan out though cus of off the field issues or whatever the case
Brady would have retired if he was on pats the buccaneers saved his career
Hit the nail on the head. Belichick isn't just the coach, he's also the GM that put the team in that spot.
I think skip is right… I don’t think any other quarterback can go to Tampa first year and win Super Bowl… even if Mahomes and Rodgers can throw the ball better I think Brady has intangibles that win the super bowl
Tompa Bray all day!!!😂😂😂😂
Right - he's the greatest team leader in NFL history: he elevates everyone. Even when his skills begin to fade (they don't seem to have yet), he may still be a big winner on that quality alone.
I think any 3 would be succsessful on the Bucs or the Chiefs. Can you imagine if Brady had Hill and Kelce? lol They'd 3 peat 100%.
Ikr ! People who says that " if we put other QB on Tampa bay i think they gonna win a superbowl " it just so pathetic & disrespectful in kinda way that you can say " i can be a steve Jobs if i live under shoes of steve jobs " lol
Also he has seen every defenses in this league more than any other quarterback. let's not forget to have a winning quarterback isn't only about throwing the ball. it's also about Football IQ, decision making, leadership, experience, etc
Tom Brady is way more likable now. And I say that as a Steelers fan.
Hes always been likable to me
He’s free to say what he wants
I’m a ravens fan and I agree. I still love watching the patriots lose though lol
I'm sure you do like him better now, because the Steelers or Ravens won't have to possibly face him in a playoff game anymore. Every AFC fan except for the Patriots should be happy that Tom went to the Bucs. He's no longer standing in the way of your team getting to the big show.
@@michaelharrington75 true lol I think it’s great he is free from being under Belichicks thumbs though. That man seems to suck all the fun out of the room 😒. I love Harbaugh as a coach.
Shannon suit game is unmatched, he never disappoints.
Facts 💯
Today’s suit isn’t his usual swag 🤔
Idk pinstripe suit with pattern tie? Not really a good look
@@bandini.6599 i mean dude wasn't wrong Shannon got a tight suit game, but the fact he thinks today's is swaggy? Makes me think he just a fanboi. Just keep it real, Shannon's suit game normally on point today was a standard suit, nothing bad, just standard.
@@bandini.6599
- from a dude that probably owns more Crocs than dress shoes
Even though Tom didn't want this... This is the BEST thing that could have happened to him... Now he's pumping out Denv Manning stats
Facts sometimes God will remove u to show u your betta off
What stats??????
@@MaloneIG 40TDs at 43 years old
@@Fittedmannnnnn Manning was a walking corpse when he won his last Super Bowl. He was 13-23 for 141 yards and an INT in that game. That was all Defense and Von Miller. Brady has done much better and will do better in the future.Terrible comparison.
“Denver Manning” made Trent Dilfer look like Joe Montana in Peyton’s last game played. 😂😂😂😂😂
Skip: I was there when Rome was burning. I was sitting courtside and covered this.
Lmao
true story skip was live covering the assassination of Caesar.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I will never forget that Brady made a 14 point comeback vs Seahawks (top 5 defenses of all time) in superbowl 49 with a receiving corp of Edelman, LaFell, and Amendola. That's GOAT status.
I hope Tom gives skip an interview so we can watch skip melt
Tom should do that. He already said that he knows Skip has his back. Skip picked Tampa to win the Super Bowl before the first game of the season last year. He stays true to his word about one man in sports that he does not bet against. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Junior.
Skip would cream in his pants.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Fun Fact a few years ago Shannon said Tom wouldn’t be able to win a SB without Belichick. Now we’re here and Tom has already accomplished what Shannon said he wouldn’t be able to and all I hear coming from Shannon’s mouth is excuses. I guess some people just never learn.
Shannon has never said that though…
@@raymondrembert6870 Yes he did. He said last year that Brady wouldn't even get to the Super Bowl meanwhile Skip said they would win.
Facts
Well Skip once said LeBron would never win an NBA championship. Neither man is infallible.
He also said Tom would be the greatest player EVER if he won the SB. UNC GOTA KEEP THE SHOW GOING 😂😂
SICK AND TIRED of Shannon saying Brady needs help now. EVERY DAMN QB NEEDS HELP. Find me one QB who won any Superbowl with weak receivers? Oh yeah Brady did multiple times.
2000 Ravens didn't have offensive firepower but they had a record setting defense Tom had
great defenses all his time in New England
Look at the seventies Steelers they were known for their defense not their offense
Exactly.
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
All those QBs struggled all throughout the last decade, but people aren’t doubting their greatness.
Tom has nothing left to prove to anyone. Every hurdle that’s been put in his path, he’s come out a winner.
You can’t say that about many other QBs.
@@philiprocker8707 the Steelers had two HOF WRs and the last 2 SBs featured explosive offenses, including an MVP season from Terry Bradshaw in 78. None of the Pats were even close to the 2000 Ravens..not even close..there are levels. Good, very good, great, historic
@@aaronjackson9385 but as a collective the patriots defense was great the Steel Curtain defense's won those Superbowls in the seventies not terry bradshaw
The biggest mistake was Jerry Jones firing Jimmy Johnson in the middle of a dynasty.
That was wild, Ego wars of Jerry Jones.
Jimmy was very disrespectful apparently. You can’t do that to the owner.
Yeah, I just replied saying letting go of Brady was the biggest mistake, but this is probably the right answer. It's at least a tie. The Cowboys could have won 5 straight if they kept Jimmy. Jimmy could have been the Cowboys' coach for another decade. They've never come close to replacing him, even with Parcells.
Cowboys will suck till geriatrics Jerry stops messing with the team and highers a coach and GM to make the decisions. Problem is old geriatrics has an ego twice the size of Alaska
the Bears moving up in the draft to take Mitch Trubisky instead of waiting for Mahomes or Deshaun Watson to drop to them, was a decision that will be with the organization as long as Mahomes is still playing.
It's nice Shannon and Skip both agree and met in the middle for this one.
Yes, Brady is the only QB who could've pulled Tampa through last year and yes he needed a team of Tampa's quality to get his 7th. Doesn't make it any less special that it happened.
We're seeing all-time greatness and sometimes it's just nice to sit back and watch without debating every iota of that greatness.
I disagree %100 there are hella Qb’s in the league that could have taken Tampa to the Super Bowl last year don’t lie to yourself. I am a super Tom Brady fan but let’s be realistic
@@malcolmslack9635 boy u talking crazy! Life doesn't lie to the soul. In football there are great player's but life has saw fit,that this man and his fragment of the soul,is simply meant to be the greatest this game has ever saw destiny wise. Take everything else out and just simply go off of luck and u'll see and understand,that this is his destiny and luck the illusion called Life. It's simple cause again Life doesn't lie to the soul.
@@malcolmslack9635 don't believe that in one bit. Maybe mahomes and russ could because they actually are a leader to their team but in a pandemic year with very little to prepare with, nobody except Brady would lead the bucs to win the superbowl in his first year in a pandemic season with a new team.
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros I completely forgot about the teams not being able to prepare due to the pandemic but on a regular year I truly believe many QBs could take Tampa to the super bowl and win it
Nah. There are other great quarterbacks in the league who could have taken that stacked team to the super bowl.
Let’s just sit back and say mo Lewis made the greatest and most impactful play in nfl history . Even Bledsoe agrees
Ain't that the truth!
100 percent
And that's facts folks
Skip and Shannon, you guys have one of the smartest shows about the NFL on air. Thanks and love watching you!
I really don't get why people hate Shannon or Skip - they're actually really awesome and frankly just are engaging in good natured ribbing while doing a pretty good job of trying to support opposing positions.
@@nishensemble their insights, especially Shannon’s are unique. They always bring an interesting take on things. Haters are generally ignorant, not so bright people who completely miss that
I don’t know exactly why Bill let Tom go, but I can promise it wasn’t out of respect and wanting to give him the team he deserved lol.
I don’t see Bill winning another SB
I think after forcing Brady out, Krafts giving BB 3 years to be back in the playoffs, maybe 5 for a SB. Then BB's fired
@@randellburton3307 does BB have 5 more years left in him to work? He is old. Lol 😂
@@firnameweren5311 Belichick is probably going to die still coaching, probably not with the Patriots though
*To be honest, I wish Tom left New England sooner, they was stifling his personality and it always felt like he could never be himself, always business no fun*
Well, that’s how you Sustain a dynasty for 20 years
This didn't hurt him . .. it liberated him....now look Rodgers, Wilson, Stafford...all want new homes💯
Stafford got his
Stafford already has a new home with LA Rams.
What u talking bout Willis ! Stanford done found his new home what rock u been under lol an he’s facing Brady this Sunday to, rams vs bucks let’s go !!!
I'm from Detroit...we talking about tb 12....how he changed how QB's are thinking 💯
Everything the Pats have to don’t have is because of Bellicheck. Brady even took pay cuts every year, why couldn’t he afford more start wide outs?
And why he couldn't draft any wrs
It's obvious they had the money all along. Look how much money they ended spending on garbage? Ridiculous. I'm sure he will make it work. Great coach too much pride
Gave too much money to Antonio Brown.
Kraft is cheap.
OMG, I never thought about it but, TBrady could take the Cowboys to the SB - Skip is talking so much about TB12 that I'm finally starting to believe him
Sure he could have
Brady has won it with worse teams, and he'd be 1/2 the cap hit of Prescott. But he would literally never play there, Brady hates Jerry Jones.
@@randellburton3307 Brady hates Jerry? Why? I work nights so I live pretty much under a rock 🙂
@@brothersar5957 Yeah Jerry Jones was one of the owners that explictly insisted the Patriots be punished harshly for deflategate and that resulted in a 4 game suspension for Brady. Brady never forgot that.
With those weapons? Absolutely! Cowboys have talent.
Skip spittin big facts on this one.
No he’s not because Kraft is why Brady isn’t there
7:15 Shannon said it “even the great Tom Brady” he said it. I heard it Shannon, no take backs ✌️
Yall gotta relax he never said Brady wasn't Great or anything. He just doesn't like how everything Tom Does is expanded by a million by his fans and followers
I can't wait for the bucs documentary in about 5 to 10 years from now
Damn as a pats fan I miss Brady, jules, amendola, and gronk sharing the same field together
Warriors and a pats fan you must’ve really enjoyed the 2010’s huh 😂
The biggest mistake in NFL history is still the Seahawks not running the ball at the 1 yard line in the Super Bowl. This comes 2nd place at best.
That literally kicked off Tom's 2nd half of greatness in his career lol til then he was living off early career success & typical dominant seasons
Same as the falcons not running the ball. This comes in third
1) New England's defense specifically practiced to defeat this play, so it may have been more credit to the defense than a mistake by the offense in that the play was too predictable;
However...
2) on his prior 4 or 5 attempts from 1 yard out (my memory is inexact but this is about the right ratio) "Beast Mode" managed to make 1 of them; NOT handing him the ball was the statistically correct move.
With Marshawn Lynch at RB
As a Patriots fan, I was really happy to see Brady left the team in a good way. I definitely wanted him to stay but his last year in Patriots was too painful to watch. Happy that he went to Tampa and won another ring. I will root for the Bucs but not on Week 4. Have to go with my Patriots even though we are most likely to lose it.
Happy for the 🐐…best situation he could ask for towards the end of his career
A lot of stacked teams in the league and a lot of them don’t go all the way to the super bowl. Just saying.
Leaving the past saved his career he was going nowhere with the pats now he’s on a young loaded roster
You're 💯 right. Brady has been a healthy starter in 20 seasons, he's been to 10 superbowls and won 7. Doing that when there were teams like the Steelers, Colts, and KC were loaded during various seasons?... Very hard to fathom
At end of the day Tom Brady is a Patriot. He is our franchises greatest player ever, he will forever be remembered as a Patriot.
Wrong lol, he's a buc
Not if he wins more bowl games
@@jakesjoints1 🤡
Yep!
There was no elevating that talent in Brady's last year , those receivers and even more so, the TEs were absolutely dreadful
This is one of the BEST things that could have happened to Brady. His legacy has been elevated even more (although I already viewed him as the goat before his Bucs tenure started).
Can I just say that Skip and Shannon have such incredible chemistry together. Their show in my opinion is the most interesting, most engaging, most balanced between the two of them, most funniest sports analyst show. They argue and debate so well but with great harmony and such great points. The other ones just don't come close.
Agree. I think it's definitely the best sports show there is.
You can't convince me, Shannon (when he was in the league) didn't have some type of relationship with Belichick
Respect
Fraternity brothers
Nun of those guys are better than anyone in Tampa but Brady still would’ve went to the Super Bowl with them 😭😭
Shannon and Skip are the greatest team, just love watching them !!
shannon will admit that tom is the goat the day he retires.
i can tell he respects tom but cant let skip have that win.
the point of this show is to argue a POV to Another POV.
shannon and skip are the best at this.
He did a big monologue after sb51 about TB being the greatest in the history of football, and I think in moments like that he's telling the truth about how he feels, the hate I absolutely believe is fake just to be able to argue against skip for the show
Weird way of paying respects by downplaying all of their achievements lol
I think this break was inevitable. When the Patriots got to/won so many Super Bowls, their draft picks were always 30/31/32, which severely impacted their ability to replenish. There is a big disparity in talent between the top 16 picks and the bottom 16 picks on average. The Patriots needed years of not winning (i.e. the mid 2000s to mid 2010s) to replenish.
They lost some Super Bowls in there and had the second to last pick instead. Not sure this translates.
Dude they never didn't win in bradys time there!!!! Lol. Playoffs every yr he started. Winning record every single yr. Your explanation don't add up
The Bears drafting Mitch Tribitsky ahead of Patrick Mahomes is by far the biggest mistake in NFL history!!!
I don't want to hear about Shannon talk about Tom Brady and Skip talk about LBJ just pure BS and down playing what they do
LBJ is not the 🐐
Lebron Ramone James Sr. Is the GOAT
It's crazy that all the media heads say how bad the talent in New England was during Brady's last year there, then when cam took over the quarterback position with the same team , they all blame everything on cam, he dont have it no more , he fell off, cam suck..
People were calling Brady washed tho. Not Brady or Cam's fault.
Belichick and Kraft really messed up big time😂
Bruh that monologue of them pretending to be Brady and naming the loaded roster when he was deciding who to join was brilliant, hmmm oooh aaaah
You all forget Belichik’s time at Cleveland. He was an awful coach. He still is. Now he is being exposed for who he really is.
It's atrange Bellichick couldn't give TB12 the weapons he needed. He just spent a quarter of a billion dollars to get a new set of players.......
When I look at how loaded my Browns team is after 20+ years, I feel we are just hiding in plain sight like the BUCS were. We need DeShaun Watson baad man lol
Literally!
13:30 I can see Skip saying something he not supposed to out of excitement a glee lol
At the end of the day belicheck forced brady out and it’s the most disrespectful thing ever done to a super star qb
Bill does that move to everyone else
nah it's pure business
Nah stupidity
@@stevenbrown6720 nah, Bill has a vision and plan for life after Brady and every good coach should think this waqy
He's a defensive coach who had a great qb
Colin cowherd actually predicted Brady would go to Tampa.
I'm reading through the comments and it blows my mind that some of you still don't understand this show. Shannon's "shtick" is to hate on Tom Brady and Skip's "shtick" is to hate on LeBron. Don't take them seriously and enjoy the banter.
Omg someone actually gets it😂 there's been a few times over the years where they show how they really feel in very special moments, but yeah they're basically playing characters on the show
Every video of Skip criticizing Bron, the comments are filled with people calling Skip clueless and dumb. Every video of Shannon criticizing Brady has people in the comments saying its a shtick and that we should not take it seriously. Keep the same energy. Shannon sound like a fool when it comes to Brady and he deserves the same flack skip gets about bron.
@@harrisonboogie Why are you telling me to keep the same energy? Have you seen me criticizing Skip in the comments? Asking for a friend…
@@keljerel I'm speaking in general. Comments like yours pop up constantly only when it comes to Shannon. I never said you should critisize Skip, re read my comment please. No one has the same energy to defend Skip and say he's playing a character on videos he critisizes Bron.
Next you're going to tell me wrestling is fake
I think the biggest thing here is that Shannon expects Brady to carry literally the worst receiving corps in the NFL when that shouldn’t be necessary. Brady always carried (talent wise) a middle of the pack group of receivers/TEs/RBs basically his entire career. If he has that, he can elevate their levels to Super Bowls. That’s not up for debate.
Excuse Belichick if he wasn't able to put marquee talent around Brady all the talent, but he always made sure that the defense was stout, so he did not let Brady down completely.
@@urbaindelva7869 BeliCHEAP never put marquee talent around Brady.
Funny thing is…he did carry them.
12-4
Made it to the playoffs.
Huge list of stacked teams that didn’t do either of those things.
Including the Bucs that year.
Belichick continuously received breaks from Brady as he never took market value as the QB and besides Gronkowski, no skill position player ever had huge contracts on the team throughout the 2010s. Belichick also did not draft a single pro bowler since 2013 and constantly failed to bring in better talent through the draft and free agency.
@@urbaindelva7869lots of talented defenses like the one that gave up 41 points to the eagles in the SB 52 what about The talented defense in 2007 that was ranked 4th giving up two touchdowns Eli Manning in the fourth quarter. Here's a good one the 2011 Patriots was ranked 31st overall Tom Brady took them to the SB. Will the 2017 ranked 29th overall. The 2003 Patriots defense gave up 29 points to the Carolina Panthers in the SB what about the 2011 Patriots defense giving up a touchdown to Eli Manning with 2 minutes left in super bowl 46 always had great defenses from what you're telling me. A lot of the reasons the Patriots defense was always ranked high because the offense was on the field a lot more
This was the real comparison of The Last Dance NFL version
That's my point BELICHOKE leaves the cupboard bear unbelievable. How can a coach do this ?????
By going to 4 out of 5 superbowls.
What a fool!
i was waiting for Shannon to be like “why cant you do that for lebrons ring” 9:40
Best sports show by a mile.
Skip is a genius! Hit all the points dead on.
Best script in NFL history
I'm hoping for a Patriots vs. Buccaneers Super Bowl this season 🏈
Patriots are not going to the Superbowl it's highly questionable if they will make playoffs but that would be the best matchup I agree
Patriots are trash in the next two decades dont be delusional
@@jinmori6555 That's a little harsh of a prediction but I think it's a closer prediction than them going to the Superbowl this year
Someone said it perfect. It just was time to go. It has run it's course. 20 years, time for a fresh start.
That cupboard reference was pure gold!
Wuao! Now that Brady is in Tampa, All experts are saying TAmpa is the paradise on talent on every position like any QB would win a Super Bowl .... huh.. why did not any other QB rush to go to Tampa to win Super Bowls before Brady? Smh...
This was a big mistake... but by far, the biggest mistake still goes to Seattle not letting Marshawn run the ball in the last seconds of XLIX. Even NE knew they would run.
Disagree for this reason. that decision cost them one game, although a big game
This decision will cost bill multiple superbowls
bradys last year with the patriots they won 12 games and made the playoffs with a bad team , it was definately a bad mistake to get rid of brady , belichick wont go to another super bowl
No finning Jim Brown for missing practice.
I'm not sure how much Shannon was pushed into this antagonist role just to suit the debate show with Skip, but this is the one football-related issue I can remember where he's 100% wrong. Brady was the system in New England. Belichick's a great coach, but he has major weaknesses. Brady's the greatest QB of all time. Brady would've won multiple Super Bowls without Belichick. Belichick wouldn't even have one as a head coach without Brady.
I know it hurts Brady to leave NE but it was for the best
Love unc and skip, thank you both for the awesome content week in and week out 🔥💪🏾
It’s the ultimate redemption story of the ultimate QB. Remember the the movie The Shawshank Redemption? They had “the guy” doing great things but opposite in New England they got rid of Tom. And he said ok, what team can go to that has the best chance to win? Tampa. Nobody and I mean NOBODY ever thought it was Tampa. But Tom saw it and that team believed they could win a Super Bowl. It’s almost like poetry or a written script. So rewarding that if you hated Brady before it’s almost impossible to hate him for what he did in 2020. Simply the best ever
You guys are FINALLY getting to what I've been saying, all along!!!!!!
Pats personnel mistakes have been plaguing them for years. Why did BB spend a draft pic on Jimmy G if Tom was going to be your guy? Why not instead grab a top receiver for Tom? Why kick out Alex Guerrero from the team locker room and plane who can help aging players like he is helping Gronk and AB still play at an elite level? Why couldn't you have worked with AB when he was in a New England uniform like Tom is helping him in a Bucs uniform? Tom always took less money to get a team around him. Traded Sony Michel, Jonas Gray, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, Brandon Lafell, Brandin Cooks?? He wanted to have a vote of confidence with a contract extension, and Bill said no. So this was a huge mistake BB/Kraft made.
Bill let Brady walk and then he let Gronk go... This wasn't a mistake, this was a favor done without any guile and without begrudging
Randy Johnson to the diamondbacks, 4 years, 4 cy youngs, a championship.
I got to see him in his first year with my Sposss
Belichick was never more than an average coach. Brady took an average coach and elevated him into the GOAT conversation. When Belichick gets his Gold Jacket, it will be undeserved and in his heart he knows this. He presided over a 20 year dynasty because of two decisions. 1st to draft Brady and 2nd to elevate Brady to back-up. He couldn't win with pro-bowl QB Bledsoe. All the same players, all the same coaches. Brady steps on the field and instantly everything changes. At best Belichick can be credited with not screwing up a good thing. Maybe that is enough to earn a Gold Jacket.
Why did Matt Castle perform so well in Brady’s absence?
What is completely misunderstood is that Brady’s influence on the team transcended his play on the field. Brady’s off-field influence lifted the entire team. What Matt Castle inherited was that Brady influenced team.
Not a mistake for the split. Tom continuously took less money, so BB could improve his team and it culminated in 3 Super Bowls in 4 appearances. They did the same thing the Saints did by kicking the can down the road. It had to come back at them at some point.
This is a really great show, both of them speaking facts and gave valid argument/ opinions. 🔥😎
This whole conversation makes me feel bad for Cam Newton. He had nothing to work with and was doomed to fail
Cam also sucked too
Cam was doomed the day he entered the league.
@@tanner5809 Fitzpatrick sucks Stafford sucks one never been to the playoffs and the other never won a playoff game
Whatever you think about Cam he really had no chance to succeed in New England
Don’t feel bad for Cam. He didn’t perform simple as that.
I have to say skip is so much better at seeing football than basketball, dude actually makes better football calls that Shannon
nope, I disagree, he's just a hardcore brady fanboy
20 years of dominance led by Belichick and Brady
Brady first then Belichick
Tampa bay needed a quarter back to win it all… patriots move on from players sooner than later” -TK KIRKLAND
I was told TK Kirkland told Tom to leave the patriots and go to the Bucs
Mahomes now feeling Brady's pain. Good coach, good defense, no weapons on offence.
Everyone likes to forget that the Pats success is the biggest reason the roster is what it is. Never able to draft in the top 10 and playoff teams always lose players to bigger contracts
this was the most right you have both been
no, seriously, that was the best clip from shannon and skip i have ever seen....fo' realz
This might sound crazy, but I think other pats fans might feel the same. I’m kind of glad he left New England. He gave us 20 years of success and happiness, more than we ever could’ve dreamed of. He owes us nothing. I’m glad he left because it’s so cool to see him succeed with another team and destroy the ridiculous system qb theory. His legend is growing exponentially by winning with another team and I’m glad another fan base gets to share this experience with us. Pats fans and Bucs fans are now bonded for life. I will never stop rooting for Tom Brady. Week 4 is about to be Christmas morning.
Its so funny when these analyst says that bellichick couldnt surround brady with what he had in tampa, didnt bill draft nkeal harry before metcalf before aj brown before dj more before the guy in san francisco, i can go on and on about the bad pick belichick made.
By far this is my fav segment.
I still think that the watershed moment was Billy boy benching Butler in the Pats V Eagles Superbowl. That cost the team and Tom a very high chance at winning that game. Butlers replacement Rowe got burned time and again resulting in at least 14 points. Brady threw for over 500 yards in that game. In my mind and I would dare say certainly in Brady's - Billy boys tantrum over Butler cost Tom and the team a ring that day. Not only did it impact that position, which the Eagles to their credit quickly and frequently exploited, but it cause confusion and turmoil for the entire defensed who were totally surprised and stunned by the move.
Same topic as yesterday
Same topic as tomorrow
Starting to notice a pattern here. Just can't place my finger on it...
Let them talk about me.
The point is.....who has the most rings? One can make all kinds of excuses....the ring says it all..period.
In his last season with the Pats, no one on that team was as good as on the Bucs. If the defense allowed more than 20, they were losing; now the Bucs defense can let up 30+ and they can win every game because of how loaded the offense is.
Don't forget that Arians' “No risk it, no biscuit” mentality is what ruined Jamieis. The first half of last year, Brady was hamstrung by Arians as well. 2nd half, Brady throw to the routes that he wanted, not what Bruce wanted.
Only TB12 Could've done that, don't forget TB12 brought in; Gronk, AB, RB. Who scored in SB? Look at the way they're performing now!!!
If Brady had what the Pats have on offense right now back in 2019 he never wouldev left
Bill would decide anyway