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Who is the GOAT in sports: Tom Brady or Michael Jordan? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2021
- Tom Brady is beginning his quest for his eighth Super Bowl ring tonight, but his legacy as an all-time NFL legend is already cemented and now looks to be viewed as one of the greatest athletes of all time. Even when Brady was still chasing Joe Montana’s Super Bowl total in 2013, TB12 told Julian Edelman quote: 'I ain’t going for Montana. I’m going for Jordan.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate whether Brady is better than Michael Jordan.
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Who is the GOAT in sports: Tom Brady or Michael Jordan? - Skip & Shannon I NFL I UNDISPUTED
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The answer is clearly Tom Brady
I think they are forgetting Wayne Gretzky
You are comparing someone who is known globally to someone who plays sport known only in America... Have you ever been abroad guys? :) who is Brady seriously?
Derek jeter never gets any love 5 world championship with the Yankees let me guess it’s baseball
Floyd Mayweather is the 🐐 of all sports period
This might be Shannon’s least favorite debate topic ever
Facts lmaoooo
Lol
Lol
His face at the beginning was priceless
Lol
He don’t care about non of them
“Brady or Jordan?”
Shannon: *sweating
U know wrestling is a sport too what about john cena, Jordan, and Brady
@@paulsilloway60 lmaooooo knock it off
@@paulsilloway60 lmfao
@@paulsilloway60 Cena isn't even a top 10 wrestler.
@@mitch6962 how is that when he won more championships than any other wrestlers
Wow, this is Peak Undisputed, lol. No yelling and screaming, a civil, respectful and fiery discussion. Good job 👏🏾
“I looked at him, he was different, he was different different.” Lol 😂 never a dull moment w uncle Shay.
As a person who only watches the basketball segments, it was weird seeing Skip argue against Jordan.
Yeah foreal lmao
Football is harder and more taxing on your body. Football also involves more strategy. You HAVE to give it to Brady.
He loves TB
@@younotit6736 yeah but he barely gets hit, I feel like mike gets hit more, like them bad boy pistons they was dirty
@@dakingnate5793 That's why Brady gets to play at a high level in his 40s. That doesn't happen in basketball
Remember years back when Tom Brady said he wanted to play until he was 45 and everybody laughed at him? Who's laughing now?
get a job
I don’t remember anyone laughing 😂 but if there’s any positions to do it at. It’s definitely QB
@@leyosouljaz you definitely dont watch football,.
Kickers can last a lifetime lol
@@realitybites629 you don’t understand the sport then. Kickers? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kick ball…… leave field. Matt Stover I timed his total time on the field and it was 1:23
One minute twenty three seconds. Unless they are trying to save a td on a kickoff they go untouched. That’s why no one mentioned kickers. 🤦♂️
@@littlewing6231 so, kicker is not a position?
Some Superbowls are won with no TD because of kickers so it is definitely a POSITION.
MJ goes beyond basketball. He's a pop culture icon
So is Brady???
@@dagocane8306 brady is not known outside America 🇺🇸 but jordan he different mn
@@dagocane8306 Nah, nowhere near on Jordan's level as far as influential athletes go. People outside of the 'States MAY know Tom Brady, but it's unquestionable that people outside of the 'States KNOW Michael Jordan.
@@mugabeking5026lmao is this a joke?
@@mugabeking5026that’s why in the international football games you see Tom Brady jerseys everywhere lol I’d say Tom is more quiet about his success but he has far more success than Jordan Jordan could only win a championship on the bowls never did it on another team
I have to put mj over Brady for goat just for the simple fact that mj plays on both ends whereas Brady is only focusing on offence. Tom also played in a softer league whereas mike played in the 80s/90s of basketball. I love both of them so very much but I have to go Mike
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The point on Jordan playing offense and defense and Brady playing offense. Makes 0 sense.
Football in itself is more physical than basketball. 80s 90s basketball was physical but not even close to how football is. In football it’s legal to run full speed and hit somebody as long as it’s not helmet to helmet.
I agree. And they have made football to where you can hardly touch the QB. Brady can probably play until 50 with these rules today. Also, no football player can ever be called the greatest of all sports because individual players don't have as much impact. They play half the game at the most. It's the ultimate team sport.
@@kweli05
Saying the QB doesn’t have as much impact is dumb af wow
@@qualicumjack3906 0 impact on their defense. Deal with it.
@@kweli05
Do you really think you’re saying something here?
It’s pretty interesting how 7-game playoffs vs 1-game playoffs is used by both sides to say one is harder. In 7-game series you can afford to lose a game so you have some room for errors, but in a 1-game series you can also catch a team on an off night or luck into a win.
1 game series is much harder. You have to be at your best every single game.
I think Jordan is better but it’s harder to win in the NFL and Brady has won more than most franchises.
@@datsapaddlin Brady is better at football than Jordan was at Basketball.
@@datsapaddlin Brady has to be good at one facet of the game. If the defense was trash would he have all those rings?
Truth
I am actually Shocked that skip didn’t find a way to mention Lebron 😂
🐐
Glad he didn’t
It LeShannon who starts mentioning him first with that silly GOAT talk!
He’s not worthy in this conversation
lebron who?
I disagree with Shannon, even MJ said in the last dance that he never won a championship without Pippen…. So Jordan definitely relied on someone to win championships
Jordan relied upon Jordan's entire team to win a Chip.
lmao
I'd say Jordan. Everything aside, game 7s, series, rules, game layout etc,. He went to 6 and won 6.
2, 3peats on 2 occassions. Never folded once in the big time. Imo
In all fairness Tom didn’t fold either but it takes more than one guy to not fold to win
@@thorodinson1933 fair call.
Brady has 2 achievements that put him in a league of his own for me. He has more rings (7) than any franchise in the history of the NFL, and he has more Super Bowl MVPS (5) than any QB in history has rings.
The reality of the situation is that it just is not possible to make a fair comparison between the two. The sports are too different to make an accurate, fair comparison. They are both incredible talents within their own sport. If we're asking who is more athletic, obviously Jordan. If we're asking who has more impressive accomplishments, probably Brady. Who is a more gifted individual player? Probably Jordan. Who is better at finding and utilizing their teammates strengths? Brady.
The comparison just doesn't work well because football teams have more than twice as many players as a basketball team, Quarterback is basically the only position that can drastically influence a football team, and even then you still have to have good receivers/linemen. In basketball you can have dogshit teammates and still shine as an individual(Westbrook, Harden etc.)
Id say brady he's 2 lucky throws away from having nine. But jordan and brady are both just out of this world
This is actually a really good take from Shannon, coming from someone who is typically forced to disagree with him.
forced 🤔 nahh!
Shannon is ALWAYS Sharp
(pun intended)
Thrawn profile pic, nice
When it comes to these segments, I seriously entertain the thought that I'm living out the plot to Groundhog Day.
lmaooo i swear bro they debate this every other week
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 real talk
Man then Man like dem CDs when they stuck
I fink they trying to move a little away from lebron because if that the Truth said
I think we all stuck in this Groundhog Day loop, somebody call Bill Murray i wanna get off! 😂
I don't care who you compare MJ too you have to take into consideration that once his championship reign started he never lost, MJ can still say 6-0, no matter how many championships TB win TB still can't say how ever many he may win-0, but Brady switching teams & still win the SuperBowl, is just as impressive as Jordan winning 3 Championships, take a year off come right back & win 3more Championships, they both are GOATS of Goats in their own sports profession!
This is why I like listening to Shay Sharpe... knowledge, energy and passion for the game. skip has none of that!!!
I feel I have watched this segment 1,000 times already.
No kidding!
Fr
You have
You know 1000 more are coming once Brady retires
That's why I only watch during the nfl and nba season. First nfl game is tonight and I checked back in and it's the same. All shows go back to taking about Jordan/LeBron/Brady when there's nothing current to talk about. Should change soon tho, it's sports season
That was actually one of the most civil debates on one of the most compelling topics I've ever seen on this show. They both made excellent points. I think Jordan was the better player and made more of an impact on his sport...but Tom's story and level of success may be even greater.
Couldn't agree more with both points. I have watched these two many times, and this is probably one of my favorites. Jordan is on a whole different level that I don't think we will ever see again, but Tom has accomplished more than I think we will ever see in our lifetime. Both are amazing! Great video.
Neither are super famous outside the USA so they aren’t the goats
@@The_king567 Jordan 100% is
@@hardeeps5295 he’s 1000000% isn’t dude everyone knows that lol 😆
@@The_king567 Lol you are aware Air Jordans are one of the most famous shoes around the world right?
Why does Skip always repeat himself when it comes to Jordan; I covered him, sat at court side, got to know him and spells out his full government name etc. Smh
aye man he is proud of his work and he wants the world to know it. Can't fault him for that but I get what you saying.
It is Muhammad Ali. Didn't just dominate across an era, but he transcended sports and stood up for his values even when it hurt his brand which cannot be said about MJ, as much as I love him.
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Only one way to decide this…put MJ at QB and Brady at shooting guard 😂.
Both would be cut from the league 😂
I think prime Jordan would be better as QB than prime Brady would be at SG lol.
Brady would be better shooter than Curry
In their respected eras💯💯💯🎯🎯 I'm with you😂
@@markomanx actually Brady Is good at shooting
Honestly don't know how they're comparing goats of two completely different sports
They’re just trying to figure out who’s the goat of sports altogether
ikr. It's a pointless debate. lol
@@markadams9976
Eeeh, there are more than two sports my friend
Ever heard of Lionel Messi?
Right, football takes way more than one player to win big games. Jordan won tough games mostly on his own, excelling on offense and defense. While Brady had alot of help and the team set up to win some games while he was on the sidelines
@@rafa0247 I know that I was just giving him an answer. I prefer Serena Williams as the goat tbh
As much as I love Michael Jordan. He had 6 chips, some players have 13. Some players like Lebron have won chips on multiple teams. Theres a conversation in basketball who is GOAT.
In football, Brady has the stats, the MVPs, the longevity, and 7 Super Bowl wins. Thats not just more than any player, its more than any franchise in 100 years.
What Brady has done is beyond comprehension. He stands alone for that reason.
Lol Brady himself doesn't win super Bowl!! He does 0 in defense!! Also he is unathletic and QB is most unathletic and overrated position
This is a tough question. Two different super athletes in two different sports.
I remember a previous video comparing Montana and Brady and Romos answer "Two different quarterbacks in two different eras" Both these athletes and their accomplishments set them apart in their own respective sports.
Both are not as great as Phelps
A person at his absolute peak in talent, I think Jordan is the best athlete in team sports history. But a person who remains consistently at or near the top for the longest duration, I think Brady.
That’s a fair assessment
Jordan is not the best player in team sports history. Messi and cr7 are over him
I would say messi is also up there
@@mob3963 Roger Federer
In terms of prime i would say messi, in 2012
He had 120 goal contribution in a single calender year, this record is as hard as when wilt averaged 50 points, its insane.
And overall messi also have
. Most ballondor / mvp.
. Most golden boot / scoring title.
. Most best playermaker of the year award.
And he is also the best dribbler ever.
I think they are doing Wayne Gretzky a great disservice! Wayne Gretzky was as dominant as both of them were/are and has records that will never be taken down
Mostly regular season records for Gretzky.
Hockey isn't the most popular sport in the US, especially in the South where some have never seen snow/ice not from a machine
Real all around sports fans know Gretzky always gets overlooked in this convo
Tiger woods is the 🐐 of all goats.
So true.
I'm a great fan of sports in general, and I love American sport. However, I would argue that both Ronaldo and Messi have a greater career than MJ and Tom Brady due to the level of competition there is in Football.
I agree, European football has the best talent from all over the world, NBA and NFL just has domestic talent.
Gotta agree, man. The whole world plays soccer and those two guys are at the top of the game for so long.
I don't know man, they won so much but they were unlucky they were born in the same generation, if any of those monsters were to be born any other generation both of them would have won so much more
Thank you. I feel as if all these American shows(although I love watching undisputed)when they talk about most sports they fail to mention football which has a far greater reach to people than nba and especially nfl
@@2TrillSenna nba is international some of their greatest stars are from far places so domestic nah mate look again.
When talking about Elway's physique, Shannon's response is classic.
We comparing MJ to football players now? What are we doing here?
I mean Brady only plays one end of the field? Wtf is that!
MJ played on BOTHS ends that's ABSOLUTE GREATNESS!
exactly, makes no sense
The way Skip was talking, I honestly thought he was about to say he would take Brady on 3rd and 5, over Jordan taking the 15 ft jumper.
ONG
I'm not doing that.
He probably would lol
He took Jordan and it's way harder to hit a 15 ft. jumper as opposed to throwing a 5 yard out route whether against air or against bodies.
Jordan and Brady share the one common denominator: they are the most competitive athletes to ever live and they take everything personally
In american sports yes
Nah they aren’t even top ten honestly
what about lionel messi and other team sports like hockey, equestrian etc
@@The_king567 how the only people over them is Messi and cr7 you can’t name 10 better than jordan and Brady😂
@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 Michael Phelps,bolt,Neymar,Serena Williams are all better than jordan and Brady and Brady isn’t even top 100 best athletes ever lmao 🤣
Think of it this way... Everyone including Brady was chasing MJ in terms of greatness. MJ is like Jimi Hendrix, he was a paradigm shift in sports and sports mentality.
They didn’t mention the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history Pats against Atlanta!
Because everyone agreed that ATL choked that game away.
No QB in the NFL could have done what Tom did in that game.
@@caponewgp1 they could have. Atl lost on purpose
@@raytheshadowmonarch So in your eyes Deshaun Kizer would have won that Superbowl, Mark Sanchez would have won it for them. Also Nathan Peterman would have won it for them.
They didn’t talk about the super bowl loses to the giants either.
Tired of Lebron vs. MJ? Well here's something even more annoying!
I agree with Shannon's first line. I think it somes it up. I've never seen a basketball player like Jordan. The closest is probably Kobe and he studied Mike alot. But there is still some debate as to who is the most accomplished basketball player. Brady is labeled the goat by damn near everyone including his adversaries. What he has done will most likely never be replicated. The same argument can be made for Jordan. As far as who is most influential to their respective sport. Its Jordan hands down.
Brady was a 6 round pick and became a HOF we will never see something like Brady again 6round pick QB win 7rings and 5MVP I'm super bowl. We had someone good closest to Jordan and it was Kobe Bryant.
Skip completely lost me on this take..MJ has more MVPs than Brady…plus a better championship record. MJ is the standard for the NBA . 🤷🏾♂️
And Brady is the standard for the NFL. MJ status as the goat of basketball could still be up for debate but nobody touches Brady in the goat of football convo.
@@use4Less bruh Jordan’s goat status is not up for debate….let’s be honest. There is no player close to MJ…but I feel you on Brady’s legacy but it’s really just from his offensive stats …Brady don’t play Defense
🗣That’s why I give MJ the edge
@@williamwoods778 how many times has the defense won those Super Bowl rings for Brady🤷🏾♂️
LMAOO shannon can only defend one or the other. this was tough for him
lol
Brady never had an entire generation saying “I wanna be like Tom”
Ppl invest way more in football than in basketball. Ppl was in so captured by Micheal they was his fans they don’t care where he played except the pistons fans. But football has way more rivalries and bc Tom Brady seems to beat their teams all the time, they hat him. They hated his coach, his team, and he got hate bc he was in their company. Plus he ain’t athletic, but every qb or football if you ask, they would love to have Tom’s career
that's a nike marketing and has nothing to do with this debate. we get it, jordan is the most popular athlete of all time. and football is only for americans, not a global transcendent sport. but brady has done better and longer. that to me is a fact.
🎯 end of debate
@@joec.5009 Agreed. That was the Nike marketing machine all the way.
@@joec.5009 saying “that’s a fact” doesn’t make it fact
Jordan. Period. Full stop. Too many great moments. Biggest inspiration in all of sports. And nobody comes close to MJ in terms putting a team on his back and getting that win
Tom Brady has 7 rings in a league that’s harder to win championships. Mj only has 6. NBA is easier to carry a team by having one good player and once mj left that bulls team (the first time) they still went to the playoffs. Look at the patriots once Tom Brady left🤷🏼♂️. Think you are pretty biased considering your name is “jumpman23” tho.
@@bedwardt9712 Jordan played both ends at a elite level for 120 plus games per year. Brady plays 1 phase once a week for 20 weeks. And you're telling me football is harder 😂🤣🤣 Jordan is the superior athlete on the global level. Period!!!
@@bedwardt9712 I love football and it's my favorite sport. However, no football player can ever be called the GOAT of all GOATs due to the fact they have less impact on the team. Football is the ultimate team sport and the players only play half the game (offense or defense) at the most. MJ was a beast on defense as well as offense.
Phelps better than both
I'm from Singapore. Halfway round the globe from USA.
Every kid/teenager was playing basketball and practicing fadeaway shots, and everyone wanna be like Jordan. He is a global icon and still is close to 30 years.
Mike was more dominant at hoops than Tom is at football
? Lol how
That’s just not true
It’s way harder to win a championship in the NFL
@@icetray2727 Brady 5 rings were defense basketball you play both sides
@@icetray2727 true but also MJ plays defense and offense
I'm taking Jordan because he actually did it on both ends scoring and Defense, but I get the one and done but for me it's Jordan.
I don’t understand this logic. Because of how the game is setup, that means you would never take a football goat over a basketball goat. Brady has won more than any franchise and did it in the hardest league to win in. I got Brady all day, no offense to Jordan tho.
@@Speedy-pb6dc yeah it’s just much harder to win in football so his 7 holds more weight than Jordan’s 6
@@Speedy-pb6dc but I do think Jordan is more skilled
Listen there both great as players but we have to look at it honestly brady plays fewer games but the game is more physical but brady needs more help to acheive his greatness like offense line pass protection needing receiver to catch the ball and the defense getting stops spécial teams as well but there is less room for error but brady has to play only one side of the ball. Jordan has to ball more games and the playoffs are longer but you do have more room for error too that is game not as physical as football but jordan does have to play both sides of the ball which takes more energy and jordan has to care more of à workload for his team to be successful then brady. So it depends how you look at it.
He wasn't caught cheating
The fact Shannon could remember so many years back, amazes me, I couldn’t tell you what happened last month 😂
I’m just glad Shannon knows LeBron doesn’t belong in this conversation.
Rent free
Michael Jeffrey Jordan had so many LEGENDARY moments, his shoes are named after those moments.
Same with Brady
@@baldelonmusk8068 wait what i never see people wear brady shoes come now not like jordan pls stop the cap
@@sathvic5174 never said about the shoes, i told about the legendary moments
This comment make absolute no sense???…. What are you even talking about?
Yeah so the argument is who did it without any cheating scandals. So I give it to jordan
The real debate about who’s the goat in sports is between Ronaldo - Messi - Djokovic but I know Skip and Shannon have not watched any match of these players 🤣
What makes them the goat of the sport? Just asking cause im ignorant on it
Dude are you serious? Ronaldo and Messi are great right now but they are not even close to being in the conversation as the greatest football player of all time. Djokovic is arguably the best at men’s tennis but doesn’t even compare to the greatest in women’s tennis.
@@Itsjustlikemagic messi not even close to being the greatest of all time? And djokovic doesn’t even compare to greatest women’s tennis? Watch some tennis and football
@@Itsjustlikemagic nOT eVeN ClOSe
@@clutchlaughs9179 Pure dominance of their sport in the last decade
I’m convinced that Skip just chooses the wrong side of every argument because someone has to
Brady being the GOAT is wrong lmao?
Its 2-3 more difficult to win the Super Bowl than an NBA Championship. That said, 7 > 6
@@skyedge3407 it is way harder winning a super bowl. Which is why I don’t give individual players credit for it. Football is the ultimate team game. Brady isn’t the greatest football player ever. He’s won the most Super Bowls. There’s a difference.
This is a hard pick, but undeniably MJ and Brady were both extraterrestrial (ET). Wait-Brady still is! We were privileged to see these 2 athletes do their craft.
Skip always gotta let us know he was there when that happened 😂😂
May I remind you. Skip was there when it happened!
Jordan because of the impact he had on the entire sport. He made NBA basketball global almost by himself. As many rings and moments Brady has had in football, not even him has taken football's popularity to those same levels.
Your boy above mentioned Nike marketing wake up sleepy head
By that reasoning Bird and Magic are better than Jordan. Their NCAA championship matchup is still the most watched basketball game ever, and they saved the NBA from the brink of irrelevancy. They also played on the Dream Team.
There is no comparison. Jordan was asked to do more just by the basic rules of basketball. One of Jordan‘s greatest moments was “the shot” because of the whole sequence of events that took place leading up to it. Jordan made the clutch steal to set up that shot. The day Tom Brady intercepts of pass from Patrick Mahomes that leads to Brady throwing the game-winning touchdown, then we can talk.
From an international point of view,
Michael Jordan is the greatest athlete of all time at any TEAM sport.
Tom Brady is known only in USA, and some other countries that play this game...
The global impact Jordan has even today, Brady can't even imagine....
Only team athletes who are near to MJ's legacy are Pele, Maradona.....
Humble opinion.
I agree. They call Brady (Giselo) in Brasil. Pele, Maradona are the only two at the same level, Pelé may be the only one with greater recognition.
That's a tough one, if we're being totally honest. Brady has earned his due man.
@My Glxck Brady throwing is like MJ's jumpshot. The difference is Brady has to do a lot and i mean A LOT more with his mind
Black people won't admit Brady is better. I'm black but I gotta be totally honest here, Brady is better.
@@j.b.macdirty6202 Where did you get the idea black people won't say Brady is better? I know Black people who says Brady is better (I'm black myself) and I know white people who say Jordan was better.
I think its Brady but an arguement is valid both sides. But the most clutch is Brady times 10. When he plays in the playoffs - everything is on the line. One mistake and its over. Its like going to the War to battle an army in the battlefield in an OG all vs all fashion in swords and shields. You either make it alive from that battle or you don't. Brady winning 7 rings which is more than any franchise is like Jordan winning more than the Celtics. And don't even start saying " Well Steelers got way less rings than the Celtics so its an unfair comparison " - you know why they have less than the Celtics ?? Cause its 10 times harder to win an NFL ring than it is to win an NBA Championship. He has won 7 rings (no QB has won more than 4) , he made 10 Superbowls (no QB more than 5) - he got 14 game winning drives - Elway got 6 and is 2nd. Brady got 6 only in the Superbowl. Brady got 34 playoff wins (34-11) - Montana is 2nd with 16 (16-7) - Brady got 16 since 2014- 16-3 recird and 4 rings. The man is so great- people hold winning against him. Its hard to be that great that people hold winning against you.
@@erikpuka2627 Also Brady took 2 franchises that had losing records before him and won the Super Bowl in year 1 with both franchises. Jordan had a losing record in year 1 with the Bulls and couldn't even sniff the playoffs with the Wizards. The Bulls also were 1 game away from making the Eastern Conference Finals when Jordan retired the 1st time.
How can you be the goat of sport when outside of America nobody knows who’s Tom Brady is unlike MJ ?
No one in the entire world knows who Tom Brady is outside of the US? You’ve actually asked everyone in every other country if they know who Tom Brady is and they all said no? 😂
@@triton423 tom Brady isn't as famous as mj is outside of the us.... The nfl is not as popular.... Mj and definitely football (soccer) stars are more popular than brady
If worldwide popularity was a factor than soccer players would be considered the greatest. I am Australian and I can tell you nobody knows any NFL player other than Brady, unless they are the rare NFL fan. Brady IS football overseas, but grid iron is just not nearly as popular internationally like basketball so its a dumb comparison.
@Triton423, football is only popular in the U.S. Basketball is a worldwide sport. It’s played everywhere and the NBA has players from all over. When you say football in any other country, they think of soccer. And before you ask, yes I have been to a lot of countries.
@@jamesdemellow1016 but I believe that cristiano and messi are better at what they do than Brady is at what he does (not to mention Pele)
People forget MJ had to play offense and defense,Brady just play offense
Well yeah, but that is basically saying that every basketball player is automatically better than (virtually) every football player, as well as every hockey goalie, every American League pitcher, etc. Jordan didn't lose 5 yards of offense every time one of his teammates flinched a tiny bit just before a play started. They each have certain tasks to accomplish, related to their sports.
@@SteveGellerMusic Nobody in sports media has ever said a goalie or pitcher is the greatest athlete of all time a boxer and a tennis player would have a better chance winning that title before a goalie or pitcher 😆 🤣 😂 but this is about MJ vs Brady and I would take someone who can run faster jump higher score and guard over someone who's best athletic ability is throwing a football and I like Brady I think Brady is the greatest football player of all time but not greatest athlete of all time
@@earljohnson2613 If it is an "atheltic / run faster / jump higher" competition, Brady is 4000th. His skill involves reading a defense, moving around in a pocket while 3 to 6 monsters are chasing him, and throwing pinpoint passes, in 2 seconds, to receivers who are moving at top speed. It's more than just throwing a ball.
@@SteveGellerMusic MJ had to read the defense also in fact MJ had to worry about the whole defense focus on him and they still couldn't stop him Jordan is one player I know who should have won defensive and offensive player of the year and he had to do that for 86 games to be honest football shouldn't even be a sport because humans are not suppose to crash into each other at full speed football is a savage barbaric sport but America loves violence almost every hit in football is the same as being in a car wreck but no other country plays football because that's not what the human body is made for but anyway when it comes to being the greatest athlete I still have MJ top and Ali close second plus MJ played 2 sports he sucked at baseball but he was still athletic enough to play!
@@earljohnson2613 I did not expect the "football shouldn't even be a sport" discussion here. Also, the difference between maybe having to account for a rim-protecting center on a drive, or swinging the ball around for an open shot, and having 4 280-linemen who run a 4.5s 40 trying to slam into you 2 seconds from now is pretty significant. Even in the 90's, when drive to the paint were met with elbows, Jordan was never actually one blown assignment from a teammate away from a career-ending injury.
But it is what it is. We'll see how history judges things.
MJ is the biggest star in the world. Even my mom who is 65 yrs old korean and never visited u.s. knows MJ not brady. Besides achievements both stars made , in that popularity, Almost every people in the world knows MJ. I bet even north korea people would know
Jordan. Always and forever.
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The QB only plays half the game. You can't really compare different sports like that. An individual starter in basketball will always have a greater impact on the outcome of the game than an individual football player.
And this debate right here is why Undisputed is much better than all the other debate shows on TV.
Period.
*It’s hard for me to call TB the goat over MJ cause he only plays one side of the field but you have to factor in that winning in the NFL is way harder than winning in the NBA, less room for error, you always have to be at your best*
Yes but at the same time. You also can’t luck out in a 7 game series like basketball. A player gets hot for a game could always happen but because of the series format it’s a war of attrition how long can you sustain that? How well can you bounce back? How well can you counter schemes that get more specific over the course of a long series. It’s harder to beat the same team multiple times than once because these athletes have their pride okay you beat me once I’m not letting you walk over me tho. That’s the mindset for anyone in general. I don’t think single game or 7 is inherently better than the other method but I don’t think we should use the logic that it’s harder to win in football because of the number of games. I think the position argument is valid because qb is tough but the amount of games shouldn’t be a deciding factor
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It depends on the team. A bad team having to beat a way better team 1 time is easier. But a really good team having to beat a team 1 time is a little harder Bc it’s less room for error.
@@williamwoods778 Well Football is much more of a team sport than Basketball is and ring count isn’t a super fair comparison. The QB is the most important single position in football but if Brady doesn’t have a top 10 defense like he had for every one of his Super Bowl wins then he loses much more than 3. Jordan was an elite defender and like Shannon said he was capable of scoring half of his teams points for an entire game on one side and locking down the opposing teams best guard on the other. Plus most guys outside of Horry who have more than six rings were on the Celtics team with Bill Russell who won 11 and that team had nine HOFs when there were only 8-10 teams.
@@isaiah1931 Easy to play "D" in the playoffs when in 83 of Brady's playoff wins he has his offense on the field for 35 minutes and his team up 10-20 points in 80% of the games he's played.
@@williamwoods778 Brady doesn’t have more Super Bowl MVPs then Michael Jordan has Finals MVPs (despite more wins and appearances). Jordan has more regular season MVPs and Jordan led the NBA in scoring 10 times which I would equate to Brady either leading the league in passing or TDs. Pick your poison but either way Brady only did both of those things a combined 7 times. MJ never lost in the finals. MJ was a steals leader 3 times, 9 time all NBA defensive team and a Defensive Player of the Year because, of yeah, basketball players have to play defense. That’s not to mention the countless game winning shots MJ has. So objectively, MJs accomplishments are better overall. The only place he beat him is in ring count.
Imma give it to Mike becuase he did more in lesser time .
Great point
Brady won 3 championships in his first 5 years. Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs in his first 5 years.
Should've named it America sports... What about Messi and Ronaldo? Lewis and Michael? Ali? Novak Roger Rafa? There are many more guys and debates that'd be better than this overused debate on 2 guys that are Goats of their sport but pale in comparison to other goats
I think going 6-0 in the FINALS 3 peating twice makes up for that
@@hitemup2335 So you'd rather lose earlier in the playoffs than going to the Finals and losing. That logic doesn't make sense.
Jenny’s like, “yeah thanks for the really good insight… k I’m gonna talk now, thanks”
Michael Jordan is a global sports icon. He is the reason basketball took off outside America. Nobody cares about American football outside America and most people don't even know who Brady is as great as he is. My dad who never even watched basketball knows MJ. So it's MJ over Brady easily. And there are quite a few sports outside these two where there are greater atheletes.
The answer is Jordan. When Jordan was playing, no one was close to him. You have to hold players up from other eras to even compete with him and he won6 titles. Brady has the titles, but honestly there were times Manning was better, Rogers, brees etc. that was never the case with Jordan. They both have 6 ships, but how good Jordan was gives him the edge to me.
Brady has 7
Completely agree. I’m don’t know about other sports... But out of American football, basketball, tennis, boxing, mma and football (soccer), the sports which I know a lot about... Michael Jordan is definitely the greatest player of all time.
That's not true. Magic, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas were all still playing by the time Jordan arrived. He was not better than them right off the bat.
@@urbaindelva7869 and obviously we aren’t talking about tuck rule Tom. That dude wasn’t a top 10 QB in the league. In Tom’s prime though, those guys I mentioned were at times better than him. By the time jordan was winning mvps no one was bette than him
@@AH-bm5xs if you are bringing sports outside American football and basketball then Messi, CR7, and Michael Phelp with Wayne Gretzky (not sure I got the spelling right I apologize if I got it wrong) deserve a shout
Jordan played Defense and need:
Teammates to hit shots
Teammates to Rebound
Teammates to defend
Brady dont play Defense and needs:
Offensive line to block
RBs to control the clock
WRs/ TE to catch
Defense to make stops
Special Teams to play well
QBs needs more help and rely more on their Teammates
Absolutely. Tom Brady does a handful of things extremely well. But Jordan dominated on both ends of the court. Completely destroyed all opponents on both. He’s the greatest offensive player of all time in basketball and top 10, maybe even pushing top 5 greatest defenders of all time in basketball. It’s truly astonishing.
Realistically Jordan needs that but if his teammates don’t do that he will still be good. If QBs don’t get blocking or catching they literally cannot produce or have stats 😂. There’s a clear difference in contribution based on the amount of teammates used and their roles.
Dont forget about coaching, both had arguably the greatest sports coach of all time on their team (Phil Jackson, Bill Belichek)
you can't cross compare sports like that lmao. because you can argue that if mj didn't need as much help, then he should have more than 6 if he was so great. you can only cross compare them by comparing them to their own peers (other legends) and weighing their resumes against those guys, and that gap in resume between jordan and brady and the next guy in their own sport tells you who's the greatest. And it's Brady by a long shot.
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That only works if everybody’s competition is equal. In basketball you’re competing directly against the opposition on both ends. It’s like 50s players vs current ones, the difference between the best and worst QB, RB, and TE was a much larger gap than it is in 2021. Does that mean 50s players are greater than current NFL players Bc they’re far more superior to peers? No, in this case it means the competition is weaker. And Michael Jordan in basketball is probably close to consensus and other options are Top 25 team sports athletes to ever exist. In football maybe 2-3 of them can actually make a Top 25 team sport athlete list because most slots will go to players of different sports with more control and freedom to impact the game. I can’t even put an NFL player ahead of Wayne Gretzky, Messi, or Larry Bird.
Michael Jordan was so great, that the 1994/95 Bulls, which was essentially the 96 team without him and Rodman, went 34-31 before he returned. Their record the next year, only things that changed were Jordan and Rodman playing full-time, 87-13.
That’s not true there are only 70 games in a season
@@qualicumjack3906 that’s the regular season and playoffs together. 72-10 in the regular season, 15-3 in the playoffs. 87-13.
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Imagine if Michael was drafted by the Lakers and played with Showtime, Brady had the luxury to be drafted by a great team.
Imagine if Jordan had less talent and was drafted in the 6th round? Come on man. I’m a huge Jordan and he is the GOAT in all sports. But don’t downplay Tom Brady like that.
@@heels4lifx Iam not down playing Brady’s talent Iam just referring that he got drafted by a great team and coach.
@@heels4lifx Jordan had to play with a terrible team.
….. when he got drafted.
You’re being dishonest or you are just ignorant. Who was Belichick in 2001? And who were the Patriots? No one considered them even close to gold standard. The team had been sold less than 10 years before and had never won a Super Bowl. The coaching staff was on the hot seat and about to be fired if they had another underwhelming season. Brady stepped in and brought stability.
Sorry for me it’s not close:
MJ: goats of goats
1. 6/6
2. More MVPs - finals and reg season
3. Multiple defensive player of year - bball a player has more impact on the outcome than in football
4. Multiple scoring champs - and the other stats are equally crazy
5. Greater performance delta btw him and his contemporaries
6. More iconic / memorable moves / shots / plays that have historic implications
7. More of a cultural icon - Jordan jump man is iconic w greatness
8. Radically changed the game and help accelerate its international appeal
9. More athletic - one of the most athletic players ever
10. Probably one of the most competitive / driven / motivated athlete, if not person - pulled team across the line … last Dance
You're right
Mj by far!!!Is an international icon
Because no one cares about American football outside the US.
What a dumb argument.
@@frankserpico8299 No because there is no outside competition in the NFL apart from US. Whereas in basketball, in the last season for instance the MVP, FMVP and the NBA champ were all non Americans.
@@flexinja1166 good point
Messi and Ronaldo are international icon . Cut the bs. NFL and NBA are not only sports on the planet
I’m the biggest Brady fan in the world, but Jordan is the goat of goats. Period.
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Bolt, Phelps, Senna, Messi, Ali, Bonds, and Gretzky all deserve a mention. Golf and Tennis arent sports btw.
MJ had more swagger!
Brady swagger is tough too, but Jordan of course.
Brady is clutch times 10. MJ no match to Brady's clutch performances. However, Brady is very dull and boring.
@@markwatson3766 1998 finals game 6…..
@@markwatson3766 Brady doesn’t have to play defense. Brady can’t win if his defense doesn’t do it’s job and he has no control on that. Meanwhile Jordan defense was amazing
@@markwatson3766 more clutch? Bro 1 has finals loses and the other one hasn’t lost in the finals
Great and best aren't necessarily the same thing. Best is arguable but Jordan is undeniably the greatest. His reach with his brand as an athlete and retired athlete hasn't been replicated yet.
You can't name Jordan the greatest cause of his shoes 🤣
@@azazelvalentine1762 he didn't say it like that
@@kbjr9423 that's basically what he said. This conversation has nothing to do with their brand
@@azazelvalentine1762 People don't understand the difference between popular and great.
@@schnekec exactly. Most of the people in the comments are say Jordan is better cause he's more known worldwide
Jordan never lost. What Brady's done and is doing is amazing - but he lost to the Giants TWICE in the Super Bowl. No team ever even took MJs Bulls to a seventh game.
Football is a one and done sport, you don't get to hit the reset button after losing one game in the postseason.
As I guys who loves MJ and wasn’t that big of a fan of Tom Brady til he came to the Bucs, the answer is honestLy Brady. It is way harder to win a Super Bowl then a NBA Finals. Tom Brady has the record in almost every attribute for a quarterback. And Playing QB In the Nfl is way harder then to be a guard in basketball. And we all know MJ relied on some player la because once he moved too the Wizards they didn’t even make the playoffs and I think we all forget that. But when Tom Brady moved to the Bucs in his 40’s, he gave them a ring in the first year. So ik you guys don’t wanna admit it, but it’s Tom.
If we're being honest outside of the U.S. nobody knows who Brady is
U dum af if u think that
Outside of the U.S. doesn't matter.
Not true, Brady may not be as famous as he is in the states but he’s still known world wide.
With Tom Brady being in the super bowl almost every year and it being broadcasted to the whole world.. I bet a lot of people out of the states know who Tom Brady is lmao!
i'm seeing this take a lot, and it's a dumb argument in a debate of greatness. we're not debating influence. we're debating greatness. being a beneficiary of nike marketing and playing a global sport aren't worthy points in favor of jordan being greater than brady... the debate is still easy though. You can't cross-compare sports or their respective physical and mental talents (because that's idiot logic), but what you can do is cross-compare them by comparing them to their own peers (other legends) and weighing their resumes against those guys, and that gap in resume between Jordan and Brady and the next closest guys in their own sport tells you who's the greatest... And Brady wins by a long shot.
You cannot become GOAT of “Sports” when you’re practising a sport which literally only has importance in one country - and I love the NFL, btw.
I agree
That has nothing to do with greatness, but okay
Messi is a choker
In football I would say Tom Brady at QB
Derrick Henry at RB
WR odell Beckham
Basketball: Kobe Bryant
Center: David Robinson
Steph Curry
It's all opinion
Shannon makes a fair point I guess about Tom Brady having the luxury of a good defense in his early years but I also think that Tom Brady's presence and even leadership at that young age had an impact on the play of everybody on the team
Team played so much better under him vs Bledsoe. Same thing in college, Michigan was 10x better with Brady at QB
@@timsweeney684 oh yeah man his presence and Leadership is so underrated in the NFL
Tom was playing with Veterans early in his career. They weren't even throwing the ball in his early years.
@@judahscattered4corners757 doesn't matter bro they were 5- 11 before he stepped belichick didn't even have a record that was better than 500 before Brady came in the guy literally been to the Super Bowl half his career and immediately won a Superbowl with the Buccaneers and you can tell he made everyone on that team play better... the intangibles that Brady offers is priceless...
@@jb7018 And what were the Bulls before Michael and after Michael?? Belichek is sitting at the top of his conference with a Rookie quarterback. Sound familiar?? And Brady went to a stacked team where he was the missing element. Its not like he went to the Jets and turned them into a contender🤣😂😂
It's amazing how this topic finally had Skip admitting Tom Brady's bad games for no once and how it has Shannon pretty much admitting the reasons why Jordan is better than Lebron in an underline way. Like my Grandad use to say " boy you get the real answers from ppl not when you ask them the direct question but when you just let them talk " lol😂😂😂
LOL! Exactly!
Brady won his first two rings thanks to Vinatieri's leg. MJ played DEFENSE. Brady does not. MJ was MVP in every Finals he was in. Brady was not.
Messi and ronaldo are both above Jordan and Brady imo. Their numbers are legit crazy. The longevity they have been playing at unreal levels is ridiculous
Tom Brady doesn't play defense nor can he single handedly take over a game. Michael Jordan is the better athlete.
80% of the people in the other side of the world don't even know who Tom Brady is.
This is a null and void debate.
I think its Brady but an arguement is valid both sides. But the most clutch is Brady times 10. When he plays in the playoffs - everything is on the line. One mistake and its over. Its like going to the War to battle an army in the battlefield in an OG all vs all fashion in swords and shields. You either make it alive from that battle or you don't. Brady winning 7 rings which is more than any franchise is like Jordan winning more than the Celtics. And don't even start saying " Well Steelers got way less rings than the Celtics so its an unfair comparison " - you know why they have less than the Celtics ?? Cause its 10 times harder to win an NFL ring than it is to win an NBA Championship. He has won 7 rings (no QB has won more than 4) , he made 10 Superbowls (no QB more than 5) - he got 14 game winning drives - Elway got 6 and is 2nd. Brady got 6 only in the Superbowl. Brady got 34 playoff wins (34-11) - Montana is 2nd with 16 (16-7) - Brady got 16 since 2014- 16-3 recird and 4 rings. The man is so great- people hold winning against him. Its hard to be that great that people hold winning against you.
because basketball is more popular overseas... stupid point. American football is barely played overseas whereas you now have many elite foreign players in the NBA due to basketball's international popularity.
By that logic, Messi and Cristiano is way more popular than Jordan. No debate then.
@@markwatson3766 Everybody knows who jordan is stop it 😂
@@markwatson3766 You might wanna watch the 1992 Olympic documentary before saying people in other countries don’t know who jordan is….
8:10 Skip: I don't know what you thought of Elway's physique
Shannon: It was aaa..aaight (shakes head)
lmao!!
Well in my opinion it's Jordan. Everybody in the world knew and still knows Michael Jordan, but not that much people outside USA know who Tom Brady is. I was a little kid in the 90s and didn't know any other teams in NBA, I only knew Jordan and Chicago Bulls and I still remember how much most kids wanted to buy air Jordan shoes, in a country(Greece) where football(soccer for USA) is the most popular sport!
MJ is the greatest sports athlete of all time. Period. If Brady played defense then id consider Brady but he only plays half his sport.
really appreciate these 2 (skip and shannon) debating with respect and calm. so unlike sas on first take
I know Skip probably came all over himself when he found out this was going to be a debate today. Slobbering from the mouth at the idea he can talk about both MJ and Brady at the same time
😂😂😂😂😂
who is brady first of all?
My respect to Tom Brady. Extraordinary player and one of the best in history, but... Michael Jordan, the only true GOAT.
After Ali , MJ is the GOAT of all Sports
It's Michael Jordan hands down for me
Jordan couldn't win a championship with multiple teams, Brady did
Jordan couldn't win a championship without Scottie Pippen or Phil Jackson, No single player or coach was there when Brady won all 7 of his championships.
The Bulls were 1 game away from making the Eastern Conference Finals when Jordan retired the first time. The Patriots couldn't even win half their games after Brady left
Jordan has multiple losing seasons. Brady has never had a losing season
An American football player could never be considered the “GOAT” of all sports.
Why not??...neither can basketball or baseball players either then....Michael Jordan has never had a winning season without pippen forget a championship he can't go .500.......but I'm supposed to believe he's the goat lmaoooo
@@abrahamesteva5935 maybe those English players aren't that good 🤣
@@abrahamesteva5935 football is the most popular sport in the world, how is it national??
Soccer is just so damn boring. I really wanted to get into it. Because its always on. But my god. Too often nothing is happening. At least let ne watch someone get.hit.if its gonna be 0-0 for 3 hours
@@larryfranklin6568 you watch MLS and it's showing, try the Champions league or the Premier league and get back to me
I get all the arguments for Brady but despite the quarterback being the highest value position, they don’t have the impact a superstar has on a basketball team. Plenty of all time great football teams who didn’t have all time great QBs. You won’t find any great basketball team that doesn’t have an all time great superstar.
Plenty? Name them then.
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Jim McMahon on the 1985 Bears
Trent Dilfer on the 2000 Ravens
Brad Johnson with the 2002 Bucs
@@dakota8381 Jim Plunkett 1980, 1983
Jim McMahon 1985
Doug Williams 1987
Jeff Hostetler 1990
Trent Dilfer 2000
Brad Johnson 2002
Nick Foles 2017
Also, half of the Super Bowl losing quarterbacks are either not Hall of Famers or won't get into the Hall of Fame when they retire.
Jordan made the sports global. Nobody knows Brady outside of US.
That's right.
From an international point of view, Michael Jordan is the greatest athlete of all time at any TEAM sport.
Tom Brady is known only in USA, and some other countries that play this game...
The global impact Jordan has even today, Brady can't even imagine....
Only TEAM athletes who are near to MJ's legacy are Pele, Maradona.....
Humble opinion.
Yeah Jordan hands down. He literally put the game of basketball on the map world wide. Tom Brady has not have the same effect. I’ve never seen a Tom Brady Jersey in Japan or Afghanistan. I’ve seen Jordan Jersey and gear all throughout those countries.
bro brand awareness with promotions doesn't equate superior skillset, even though MJ was by far the best basketball player
@@raylax7056 but I’m not talking about brands. I’m saying Michael put basketball on the map world wide so much so that countries that never heard of the sport before him now have his athletic gear and memorabilia. Michael can go anywhere on the world and be recognized. Tom Brady can’t do the same. World wide they still call it “American football” meaning it’s really just an American thing. After the 90’s olympics basketball exploded and that was thanks to one man mainly…Jordan.
Let’s be serious here… J.R Smith is the goat
FACTS!
Henny thing is possible!🤷♂️
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