Guys, Sam Dancer broke his fibula during the trail run prior to this deadlift event. He probably had to switch up his technique and lift more back dominantly. Hope this ends all past and future arguments about his form.
I do agree but I don’t. CrossFit isn’t the only thing that has a problem with bad form for heavy lifts near max. I think it would be awesome to have people lift properly every time but it’s not the reality.
Thats how world champion powerlifters deadlift. He's doing it on purpose. Not saying it's biomechanically correct, but it is how you lift the most weight.
No it's not. Go watch ipf world's from last month. Even the heaviest lifts from the best lifters didn't have that much form breakdown. Dancer's form was shit from the beginning.
To me looked that most of them had a decent technique. after reading this comment I was expecting to see a way worse technique (some of them hitched and dancer had a rounded low back, but the rest looked okay)
Don’t worry about it! I’m a firefighter, astronaut, movie director, actor with 38475 Oscar’s, artist with 39472 grammy’s, police men, personal trainer, Olympic runner, basketball player with over 20,000 career points, and NFL player. He needs to step up the weight. I think maybe 900 pounds. The more pounds more GAINZ! Form can go out the window. He needs to arch that back even more. Genetically different! BABY!
Just finishing watching the ladies and I ain't no pro by any means but Lucas Parker's lifts were the only ones that didn't make me cringe lol. Still all the athletes showing impressive strength.
+Sifa Tulikihihifo false, advanced power lifters have a mid/upper back round. The form on the first competitor was full rounding of the lumbar also know as snap city.
+Ryan Davis mid, upper, lower... I just said rounded back. I didnt think Dancers lower back was rounded... but after rewatching it, maybe. But heck. Who am i to judge? he pulls 2x more than me.
You are right, there were indeed some reps looking beyond awful e.g. Sigmundsdottir's final attempt..... however, Sam Dancer (first guy) is well educated in powerlifting, he rounds his back with intention to do something he calls 'rounded bracing' to limit the range of motion he has to perform to do a full-lock out and get reps counted, particularly with high rep-deadlifts...
The announcer pretty much said that Parker would have had that 585 if he wasn't so technical. Which is true but then it wouldn't be a proper deadlift. Crossfit may not care about performing a textbook deadlift or your back but he does. Hitching = no lift.
Lots of people are stating that the deadlifts in this video of a powerlifting style. That's not true, given that hitching isn't permitted in powerlifting. Here, for example, is what the IPF rulebook has to stay on the topic: "Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift [is cause for disqualification]. If the bar edges up the thighs but is not supported, this is not reason for disqualification." These pulls might be legal in CrossFit contests, and CrossFit can set whatever movement standards it likes, but let's not pretend these lifts would be given white lights at a powerlifting meet.
I am assuming that ESPN has a contract or something that does not allow crossfit to put it on youtube until after the Crossfit games. Assuming, don't know for a fact.
Longer arms help in the deadlift. Sam has some short arms where as Parker and smith have longer arms. I think it makes it easier for the latter two to keep good form with longer arms.
Without claiming to be an expert and as someone who does crossfit dancers technique looked very scary, everything I've been taught never to do (from coaches in my gym and numerous online videos including powerlifters). Parkers lifts looked good though
Why does everyone have to complain about hitching and dropping the bar. This isn't powerlifting, it has different rules. Would you try to tell The Mountain his 1000lb+ lifts don't count if he hitched? In strongman, like crossfit, the point is to lift as much weight as possible. I'm not even a fan of crossfit, but get over it and realize different sports have different rules, and if the weight only comes off the ground, even that's some basis for measuring strength.
now that i watch this video, i think it would have been appropiate to show the final results of every event in the movies (fittest on eart, the redeem, etc). I mean, i knew about sam dancer and his strength, but the canadian almost did as well like Dancer and he was never mentioned in the movie.
The answer is only gymnastics care about form. Athletic sand weightlifting only have rules (just like CrossFit) as long you meet the rules nobody cares how you do it. Doesn't mean you would train like that but in competition and you are doing a true max your form break - however all the work done in the gym protects you from doing damage.
ability to injure yourself? the reason form isn't important in track and field is because the focus simply isn't in form. In a 100m race, it's the speed that wins you the competition. If the competition is to lift weights, sure you can lift it, but can you lift it in the correct way? There's a standard in weightlifting because having an improper form can possibly lead to cheating or even worse, short term and long term injuries. If you're truly strong enough, why is it so difficult to lift with proper form? The proper form should in other words be the easiest way to lift the weights anyways.
***** that's true. my bad for not acknowledging that. Im not a track and field type of guy but my point is that the emphasis of those competition isn't on the form.
Form don't win competitions. Performance does. Dancer's lift would count in strongman. And let's not pretend that elite athletes should be role models for health. There is a trade-off between elite performance and general health. Was what dancer did healthy? No (his back is fine, by the way). Was it required for him to get a first place finish. You bet.
I think that smart people won't try to go for max deadlift, or even too close, for that event. A 1rep max deadlift can wreck you for days and they can't afford it considering they have 10 or so events coming to them. Sitting in the back seat of this event to catch your missing points in murph, swim and other events would be smarter than trying to nail the first three. And as for those worrying about the video coverage, can you all remember that wednesday has always been closed off to public? When the public events start for real we'll get full, nice stream in proper quality. Stop fretting.
You CNS isn't fried immediately. You don't feel it for the most part until the next day, and that's for extremely heavy maxes on deadlift. Like 8+ plates. These guys are on copious amounts of steroids. I'm sure they had 0 issues recovering.
Good God I see the same form if not worse in strongman comps or even straight up deadlifting comps . Amazing everyone has perfect form on you tube holding their phone and not actually lifting heavy weight.
Why do they drop the weights at the top and not perform a proper deadlift with a totally controlled movement? This is an honest question I am only used to powerlifting standards.
They drop it at the top to prevent the loss of energy, remember they are lifting these weights with like 30 seconds rest between massive reps. They also ran a marathon before doing this lawl. No point in lowering it down when thats just gonna be even more taxing kn your CNS. The same thing happens in strongman, theyre just trying to save energy
Anyway to know what Rogue bar they use for this ladder? I am looking at ordering the Ohio DL bar. Seems this bar has the right amount of whip I am looking for.
Does anyone here know which type of shoes Sam Dancer is wearing? The white with teal ones. They look like cf speed tr or nike metcons but I'm not sure and don't know this colorway. Please let me know 😁😎
Two things that would destroy CrossFit 1.usada dope testing year round 2. An actual lifting referee that knows good form and that will disqualify people for bad form
Eddie Hall attempted to set a (then) world record deadlift in 2014 at 1,014 lbs. He got the lift up, and was so excited that instead of lowering the bar back down, he dropped it from the top just as these guys are doing. For that, no world record. #themoreyouknow
Muy bien! El tipo que levantó más de 600... Pero de qué sirve levantar tanto si no hizo ni un sólo levantamiento correctamente!! Igual es su espalda...
Damn what’s up with the soft lockouts? Even on the lower weights nobody was really finishing the lifts. The judges should be the ones fixing this problem, because if the lifters can get away with this they don’t have ax
Strongomongo Hasjhasj Guy was a division 1 football player, he has a video on UA-cam explaining his for. his lower back is flat but his upper back is rounded. I say whatever works he only deadlift 300 more lbs than me haha
The objective of the lift is to get the barbell from point A to point B. The man did it. Who gives a fuck about form? Is it you lifting? No. Is it your back? No. Did he break any rules as specified by the organisation? No. Stop complaining and get back to your Doritos and 185lb deadlift.
Just because it isnt specifically listed in the rules doesnt mean it shouldn't be performed properly. 185lbs😂 that's cute. Back rounding and hitching are big problems. They should be addressed.
You do realize those safety standards are so idiots don't permanently harm themselves, right? Is a shitty big pull worth horrible pain and disability for the rest of your life?
@@Falco2302 they do in Olympic weightlifting because no one really cares about the negative when developing strength. Look past your bias and you'll see mistakes in every sport
The majority of the competitors did it with good form... Parker a good example... Maybe they just care more for their own health... The thing is: because Crossfit is so followed and is principles are to maintain always a good spine control and neutral back, the competitor that didnt do it because of the sake of victory, are showing a bad example at a lot of wannabe crossfitters... If you then want to do it anyway because it feels right to you ok... I tried deadlifting in that way and it never felt good on my body...
What you need to understand is how things are done in competition isn't the same as how things are done during training. Training is all about prioritizing health and making sure you can keep training. Competition is about winning. No one cares who had the best form, they care about who wins. If people can't understand that then that's their problem.
Hitching is not just illegal in uspl, but in every federation that existed ever. Some of these lifts don't deserve to be called deadlifts. When you hit a sticking point, you don't just get to sit backwards and pull the bar up your legs lol that's bullshit. Hitching=no lift in everyone's books except crossfitters. That's cool you guys think it's fun but the rest of the lifting world is laughing at you
Shout-out to Lucas Parker and Ben Smith for actually knowing how to lift a barbell
"Here's the thing about being so technical..." You do the lift right, know your true limit, and don't damage your body?
fuck me, man...but lucas parker's form was epic in this one
Lucas Parker has the most textbook form ever. So jealous
The Hunchback of Hitchre dame.
Guys, Sam Dancer broke his fibula during the trail run prior to this deadlift event. He probably had to switch up his technique and lift more back dominantly. Hope this ends all past and future arguments about his form.
parkers form is rock solid
I think they should no rep bad form deadlifts...
I do agree but I don’t. CrossFit isn’t the only thing that has a problem with bad form for heavy lifts near max. I think it would be awesome to have people lift properly every time but it’s not the reality.
@Jäger From GSG9 Hitching is still illegal pretty much everywhere else.
a lot of powerlifters have bad form too. I don't like crossfit but good form is very subjective and making it a rule makes no sense
@@tychobrahe6379 Strongman is all that matters, and it's perfectly legal there lmao.
@@ConnorLipke Lol "strongman is all that matters". Don't get me wrong, I love watching strongman, but that's just dumb
Win the event - lose your health
RIP Sam Dancers back
It should not be okay to lift with such poor form.. : /
Thats how world champion powerlifters deadlift. He's doing it on purpose. Not saying it's biomechanically correct, but it is how you lift the most weight.
You're a fucking clown
Powerlifters aren't permitted to hitch in competition.
No it's not. Go watch ipf world's from last month. Even the heaviest lifts from the best lifters didn't have that much form breakdown. Dancer's form was shit from the beginning.
Lucas parker was the goat of that day !!! Only guy with perfect form ... even kept a good form at his failed lift
love me some Lucas Parker technique
Parker had awesome form
this is why i like lucas parker as an athlete that much
Not too mention he is so sexy omg got a boner lol
@@bomichael1304 Stop
Man must have pretty strong back for most of them arching like that!
it's not supposed to arch. professional lifters people keep it stiff
To me looked that most of them had a decent technique. after reading this comment I was expecting to see a way worse technique (some of them hitched and dancer had a rounded low back, but the rest looked okay)
Don’t worry about it! I’m a firefighter, astronaut, movie director, actor with 38475 Oscar’s, artist with 39472 grammy’s, police men, personal trainer, Olympic runner, basketball player with over 20,000 career points, and NFL player. He needs to step up the weight. I think maybe 900 pounds. The more pounds more GAINZ! Form can go out the window. He needs to arch that back even more. Genetically different! BABY!
That Dancer guy won without a hitch. Well, metaphorically speaking.
@@gizmoguy345 exactly! I'm being sarcastic
not really a fan of crossfit but i have to admit parker's lifts were solid. aside from dropping the bar powerlifting material
Just finishing watching the ladies and I ain't no pro by any means but Lucas Parker's lifts were the only ones that didn't make me cringe lol. Still all the athletes showing impressive strength.
Form? Who cares about form. The first guy had a rounded back the whole time. Parker had beautiful form!
A lot of the top powerlifters have 'rounded backs'.
+Sifa Tulikihihifo false, advanced power lifters have a mid/upper back round. The form on the first competitor was full rounding of the lumbar also know as snap city.
+Ryan Davis mid, upper, lower... I just said rounded back. I didnt think Dancers lower back was rounded... but after rewatching it, maybe. But heck. Who am i to judge? he pulls 2x more than me.
Lol these are not large weights and they're hitching them all. Shamefull
You are right, there were indeed some reps looking beyond awful e.g. Sigmundsdottir's final attempt..... however, Sam Dancer (first guy) is well educated in powerlifting, he rounds his back with intention to do something he calls 'rounded bracing' to limit the range of motion he has to perform to do a full-lock out and get reps counted, particularly with high rep-deadlifts...
The announcer pretty much said that Parker would have had that 585 if he wasn't so technical. Which is true but then it wouldn't be a proper deadlift. Crossfit may not care about performing a textbook deadlift or your back but he does. Hitching = no lift.
Lots of people are stating that the deadlifts in this video of a powerlifting style. That's not true, given that hitching isn't permitted in powerlifting.
Here, for example, is what the IPF rulebook has to stay on the topic: "Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift [is cause for disqualification]. If the bar edges up the thighs but is not supported, this is not reason for disqualification."
These pulls might be legal in CrossFit contests, and CrossFit can set whatever movement standards it likes, but let's not pretend these lifts would be given white lights at a powerlifting meet.
Hope there's a full version that comes out soon...
I am assuming that ESPN has a contract or something that does not allow crossfit to put it on youtube until after the Crossfit games. Assuming, don't know for a fact.
I agree... A brief overview isn't cool
Who cares no, it's over & we know who won. HQ blew it by not broadcasting live...
you can see the full event on Facebook
Its almost like they only wanted to share the best lifts
1:11 amazing form. Might be something for elgintensity
0:40 holy crap is back is rounded
Longer arms help in the deadlift. Sam has some short arms where as Parker and smith have longer arms. I think it makes it easier for the latter two to keep good form with longer arms.
that form parker 😍😍 need more of that
OMG Lucas Parker outfit come on!!!! hahahahaha funny as hell and I still dont know if it was joking.
Relax I didnt mean it in a bad way cheeez!!!
Sam Dancer is just a monster. Search for his 22 rep 405 squat...
My back started hurting watching this.
Dropping the weight, hitching and a rounded back
1:14 dude your back
parker's form is something else
Without claiming to be an expert and as someone who does crossfit dancers technique looked very scary, everything I've been taught never to do (from coaches in my gym and numerous online videos including powerlifters). Parkers lifts looked good though
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Why does everyone have to complain about hitching and dropping the bar. This isn't powerlifting, it has different rules. Would you try to tell The Mountain his 1000lb+ lifts don't count if he hitched? In strongman, like crossfit, the point is to lift as much weight as possible. I'm not even a fan of crossfit, but get over it and realize different sports have different rules, and if the weight only comes off the ground, even that's some basis for measuring strength.
There are a lot of comments talking about how good his form is. Shouldn't YOU have good form no matter what the weight?
Parker’s technique is top notch
now that i watch this video, i think it would have been appropiate to show the final results of every event in the movies (fittest on eart, the redeem, etc). I mean, i knew about sam dancer and his strength, but the canadian almost did as well like Dancer and he was never mentioned in the movie.
the first guy has some real nice form for sure adn drops the bar dont call it deadlift if its not a real deadlift
Does the form count in weightlifting competitions, gymnastics, athletics...? Yes of course it counts... Why does Crossfit should become different...?
The answer is only gymnastics care about form. Athletic sand weightlifting only have rules (just like CrossFit) as long you meet the rules nobody cares how you do it. Doesn't mean you would train like that but in competition and you are doing a true max your form break - however all the work done in the gym protects you from doing damage.
if eceryone can do it, it's fair
ability to injure yourself? the reason form isn't important in track and field is because the focus simply isn't in form. In a 100m race, it's the speed that wins you the competition. If the competition is to lift weights, sure you can lift it, but can you lift it in the correct way? There's a standard in weightlifting because having an improper form can possibly lead to cheating or even worse, short term and long term injuries. If you're truly strong enough, why is it so difficult to lift with proper form? The proper form should in other words be the easiest way to lift the weights anyways.
***** that's true. my bad for not acknowledging that. Im not a track and field type of guy but my point is that the emphasis of those competition isn't on the form.
Form don't win competitions. Performance does. Dancer's lift would count in strongman. And let's not pretend that elite athletes should be role models for health. There is a trade-off between elite performance and general health. Was what dancer did healthy? No (his back is fine, by the way). Was it required for him to get a first place finish. You bet.
Rounding back is fine as long as you still have tightness in your core while not looking like a scared cat lol
I think that smart people won't try to go for max deadlift, or even too close, for that event.
A 1rep max deadlift can wreck you for days and they can't afford it considering they have 10 or so events coming to them.
Sitting in the back seat of this event to catch your missing points in murph, swim and other events would be smarter than trying to nail the first three.
And as for those worrying about the video coverage, can you all remember that wednesday has always been closed off to public? When the public events start for real we'll get full, nice stream in proper quality.
Stop fretting.
You CNS isn't fried immediately. You don't feel it for the most part until the next day, and that's for extremely heavy maxes on deadlift. Like 8+ plates. These guys are on copious amounts of steroids. I'm sure they had 0 issues recovering.
Good God I see the same form if not worse in strongman comps or even straight up deadlifting comps . Amazing everyone has perfect form on you tube holding their phone and not actually lifting heavy weight.
Yo Parker had a gorgeous deadlift form.
Galib Khan well...he had it, unlike the others
My back gave out watching this
Why do they drop the weights at the top and not perform a proper deadlift with a totally controlled movement? This is an honest question I am only used to powerlifting standards.
Beau Wilkerson because Crossfit is stupid and no one cares about proper form or injury prevention
They drop it at the top to prevent the loss of energy, remember they are lifting these weights with like 30 seconds rest between massive reps. They also ran a marathon before doing this lawl. No point in lowering it down when thats just gonna be even more taxing kn your CNS. The same thing happens in strongman, theyre just trying to save energy
Dude, get your facts right. Deadlift is an one way movement. And that is the deccentric phase.
Seems like Dave Castro learned his Deadlift technique from Dancer!
I’m sorry but if you drop the barbell at the top you’ve only done half the lift... it doesn’t take much to control it back down again
All props to Lucas Parker!
Thought they were starting the individual events on friday?
have you ever watched the crossfit games? it always starts on Wednesday (usually the swim). Its not a weekend event anymore.
WHAT LUCAS PARKER A CROSSFITTER WITH GOOD FORM. respect
Parker guy has great technique.. and he is smart not to go beyond
parker and smith are actually good, most of these guys have rounded backs
How much they wait between deadlifts ?
They should have waited to make the documentary until this year since it's the tenth anniversary
Most likely they're doing it!! hahaha come on this one everybody is rooting for matt!
Anyway to know what Rogue bar they use for this ladder? I am looking at ordering the Ohio DL bar. Seems this bar has the right amount of whip I am looking for.
are they allowed to lift sumo?
Does anyone here know which type of shoes Sam Dancer is wearing? The white with teal ones. They look like cf speed tr or nike metcons but I'm not sure and don't know this colorway. Please let me know 😁😎
What is up with their form? I feel so bad for their backs
How is his spine still in tact
Great weight first guy lifted. Saying that I guess they don't count hitching as a no lift but oh well still a good lift
1:01 that form though
Is this supposed to bring it back to how it was in the early 2000's?
Two things that would destroy CrossFit 1.usada dope testing year round 2. An actual lifting referee that knows good form and that will disqualify people for bad form
I love cross fit a ton but some of these people's form makes me cringe
Are they required to wear certain shoes? I didn't see one person god with no shoes or something minimal.
They just got done running. Does that have something to do with it?
Why was Parker sitting like that after each pull? injury?
Tired low back that's cramping up a little maybe? I know that sometimes I have a hard time getting my lower back to release after a tough set.
where is the full version
Sam Dancer is a beast
Wait if you can use a belt why would you choose not too?🤔
Eddie Hall attempted to set a (then) world record deadlift in 2014 at 1,014 lbs. He got the lift up, and was so excited that instead of lowering the bar back down, he dropped it from the top just as these guys are doing. For that, no world record. #themoreyouknow
I want to join the cross fit games
1st in the deadlift, last in the trail run 😂 go figure
Muy bien! El tipo que levantó más de 600... Pero de qué sirve levantar tanto si no hizo ni un sólo levantamiento correctamente!! Igual es su espalda...
Since when did dropping weight be considered a deadlift?
Since you're still lifting dead weight off the ground? Powerlifters basically drop, they just keep their hands on the bar.
Lucas Parker whoooa, the others, ZEROOO
Damn what’s up with the soft lockouts? Even on the lower weights nobody was really finishing the lifts. The judges should be the ones fixing this problem, because if the lifters can get away with this they don’t have ax
Can please anybody tell me artist of the music in the background..
my back hurts after watching that
Does anyone know where i can get a cap like the one Sam Dancer wears?
please send me the link to sam dancers shoes
615 lbs?? There are 5-45 lb plates per side which is 450 lbs + 45 lb bar and Two 20 lb plates..That's 515 lbs?? Where is the other 100 lbs hiding????
song in the background ?
Doest this guys have doping control?
SAM DANCER""" EL PUTO AMO!!
whats the rest time between each? 30 secs?
also what increments do the weights go up in? 10lbs?
The first guy was realy strong but sombody should show him how to sett up and tightening those core muscles before the lift
Strongomongo Hasjhasj Guy was a division 1 football player, he has a video on UA-cam explaining his for. his lower back is flat but his upper back is rounded. I say whatever works he only deadlift 300 more lbs than me haha
The objective of the lift is to get the barbell from point A to point B. The man did it. Who gives a fuck about form? Is it you lifting? No. Is it your back? No. Did he break any rules as specified by the organisation? No. Stop complaining and get back to your Doritos and 185lb deadlift.
Just because it isnt specifically listed in the rules doesnt mean it shouldn't be performed properly. 185lbs😂 that's cute. Back rounding and hitching are big problems. They should be addressed.
Imagine being on gear using a belt and still hitching/cat back. Shoulda been no repped.
Do these guys get paid? I can lift that. I'm not a crossfitter though.
wtf was sam dancer's form almost broke his back on the 615
3 red lights for everybody...
Sondre Anda When you can't beat them there is only one thing left to do
h8 h8 h8 hh8 h8
You do realize those safety standards are so idiots don't permanently harm themselves, right? Is a shitty big pull worth horrible pain and disability for the rest of your life?
Tyran Curtis but deadlifts dont count if you drop the weight
Except Lucas Parker
@@Falco2302 they do in Olympic weightlifting because no one really cares about the negative when developing strength. Look past your bias and you'll see mistakes in every sport
This was after a trail run, like right after, I don’t blame them for their form as much as I hate to see it. All for the sport I suppose
"technique.." it's optimal leverages, and maybe 10% technique. Deadlift is the EASIEST LIFT in terms of technique.
would sumo deadlifting been allowed?
1:19, holy shit wtf. You can't be serious...
It's impressive but why would you want to have that situation were you ruin your back like that?
The majority of the competitors did it with good form... Parker a good example... Maybe they just care more for their own health...
The thing is: because Crossfit is so followed and is principles are to maintain always a good spine control and neutral back, the competitor that didnt do it because of the sake of victory, are showing a bad example at a lot of wannabe crossfitters...
If you then want to do it anyway because it feels right to you ok... I tried deadlifting in that way and it never felt good on my body...
What you need to understand is how things are done in competition isn't the same as how things are done during training. Training is all about prioritizing health and making sure you can keep training. Competition is about winning. No one cares who had the best form, they care about who wins. If people can't understand that then that's their problem.
jesus these guys could pull my 29' trailer with these hitches how are these legal lifts.......?
+AceandScotch2 yeah you're right....this event is powerlifting except you can do anything you want hahahahaha joke of a sport
Hitching is not just illegal in uspl, but in every federation that existed ever. Some of these lifts don't deserve to be called deadlifts. When you hit a sticking point, you don't just get to sit backwards and pull the bar up your legs lol that's bullshit. Hitching=no lift in everyone's books except crossfitters. That's cool you guys think it's fun but the rest of the lifting world is laughing at you
What the actual fuck did i just watch! I think my back is hurting just from seeing this😬😬💀💀💀
So many round backs....
That form
parker the only winner here