I need scanners I can use with i9 PCs with 32GB RAM to take scans of all NP’s and most other patients. Medit i700 is too slow to process. Omnicam is just right for my staff but tied to my milling machine. Is this finally the answer?
PS Connect can export directly into chairside software if you have an old Omnicam dongle. Docs with an Omnibeast can easily attach the connect USB and use their existing licence.
Great video, thank you! Have you considered trying the new Shining 3D Aoralscan Elite scanner with photogrammetry? I think it will fit well into the Wild West 😊
I was also going to mention the Shining 3D scanners. I don’t know how much full arch implant stuff Dr. Klim does but that scanners new tech is a market disrupter for a lot of practices
I currently own a PrimeScan, PrimeMill and MCXL. I would like to be able to mill larger bridges, which don't fit in the zirconia CEREC blocks as well as multi-unit implant guides. I'm looking at the Ivoclar primemill dry (VHFK5) and wondering if I should look to InLab vs ExoCAD software for CAD.
I use both inLab and Exocad. Inlab is more efficient in design flow for posterior inlays and onlays or when export is needed for printed provisional restorations. Exocad is heads above for diagnostic workups and virtual wax-ups and has much better anterior proposals. However, if you are used to CEREC, Exocad is different to learn, but it definitely has its benefits once learned. So your decision will depend on what you want. As far as implant-supported processes are concerned, inLab is excellent.
PrimeScan 2 may work with slow internet but you need some edge network appliance that can do the required buffering and stream on the local network (only briefly described at DS World 2024).
Yes, I see the value in the cloud, I like the DS Core. However, scanning to just DS Core without a backup plan could present a backup plan issue if the internet goes down, or for instance, today, we are having a solar flare effect in Northern Idaho, and the internet is somewhat compromised. This could be a problem if one needs to scan a full-mouth case with a patient from out of town. Having been a beta tester for Bluecam and Omnicam, I know the initial release had bugs and took several years to solve. The Primescan was better but had crashing issues until 5.2. Again, this is the nature of digital technology; the cloud could present some reliability issues. Anyway, for my homestead, where I work from Starlink, total cloud management is not a good idea now for my digital workflow. Thanks for your comment.
Great video! Thanks! I have a trios and cerec 5.1.3 Omnicam with MXCL. I have the STL file from the trios, is there anyway we can open the case as a cerec case and plan and mill the restoration from the trios scans? I have signed up to DS core and have uploaded the STL files onto DS core but I cant seem to be able to convert the file- any tips would be greatly appreciated!
@@amitlakhani-on8qy see the following link, a Trios user will need to pair your 3 Shape software for DS Core, and the scan will automatically be uploaded in color to DS Core, then once in DS Core, the file can be sent and will open in CEREC. support.3shape.com/products-3shape-unite-connections-and-integrations-how-to/trios-meets-prime-installation-and-user-guide
Dr. Klim this is Dr Messenger My question is do you have a video of you going from Exocad to Inlab? Just the steps that you do after you finish designing in Exocad and incorporating it into Inlab. I wanna see that flow. Love your videos by the way known you for a long time.
Hi Gene, It's good to hear from you. Take the STL files of the restorations from Exocad and then import them into the inLab CAM software. The CAM Software across the board is mostly STL-driven. I will also do more of a video on this. May all be well with you and your family.
Great video and exactly what I’m debating and researching right now! Been a big fan of yours for a long time (watching in the back ground:) I have a trios 5 and trying to figure out best way to get chair side same day units going again at my new office. I’ll be watching closely!! Curious with all the files being exported to other softwares how this impacts chair side timing?
Yes, I am getting a Trios as well. With DS Core, it can be aligned with Trios to auto upload, and with this, download to inLab software and then mill on MC XL or Primmill. Though this could take 2-4 minutes of extra time, doing same-day restorations with this setup is possible and can be time efficient.
Interesting statement. There is more opportunity for dental technicians now than ever with those who embrace digital workflows. Some historical services, such as dental standard single-unit lab services, will be transferred to the dental office. There are other services where the workflows will be shared, and new services will be added for lab services. There will be more opportunities for both the dental offices and labs that embrace this technology.
@KlimDDS This 3D technology has entered my country hard this year, and most labs have been closing shop since the doctors all put a " we can do it ourselves why we need to send to lab anymore " mindset. I know it's the future, but as a DT myself, i see our future are not so bright.
@@M1zi3 Oh, I totally get it. I love both sides of the bench, so I understand. I do feel your pain. AI software provides better morphology for the average user, lab or dentist, and zirconia options are driving the profession. I teach classes to both dentists and technicians. There are multiple teirs of supply and demand in the profession. The labs that make the future are the ones that find a niche in the digital workflow. Approximately 59% of North American offices have a digital image-capturing device. In addition, Dentsply Sirona is putting its digital development into a cloud that bridges digital services and communication. The future design and lab services will embrace this and find their place in the cloud for connecting with dentists. I wish you all the best.
@@M1zi3 And one more thing, I do see the growing demand for concierge lab services, such as mobile design, machining/printing, and going onsite with services. This could be a partnership arrangement with a group of dentists. Also, there is the demand for efficient turnaround, if not same-day service. I know of practices with 2-4 dentists with a full-time lab technician support that involve more patient contact and working with the patient to fully customize the restorative process. These will be the growing lab/technician services of the future. It is already happening here in the USA, and those who have filled this niche are thriving.
I need scanners I can use with i9 PCs with 32GB RAM to take scans of all NP’s and most other patients. Medit i700 is too slow to process. Omnicam is just right for my staff but it’s tied to my milling machine. Is this finally the answer?
Primescan 02 could be the answer if your internet speed is great. I hear this system is still in early development and has bugs to work through. On the other hand, I chose to go with the Trios 5, and with DS core, this system can be brought into inLab and Exocad. Plus, at my homestead studio, I use Starling for the internet, which is fast, but not there for the Primescan 2 cloud-based scanning. I still have my Primescan 1 and love it.
I need scanners I can use with i9 PCs with 32GB RAM to take scans of all NP’s and most other patients. Medit i700 is too slow to process.
Omnicam is just right for my staff but tied to my milling machine.
Is this finally the answer?
Fun video James!
Thanks
PS Connect can export directly into chairside software if you have an old Omnicam dongle. Docs with an Omnibeast can easily attach the connect USB and use their existing licence.
@@mikehoben1810 good to know, thanks for the input!
Great video, thank you! Have you considered trying the new Shining 3D Aoralscan Elite scanner with photogrammetry? I think it will fit well into the Wild West 😊
I have been working with photogrammetry for over 4 years. Can’t wait to try it
I was also going to mention the Shining 3D scanners. I don’t know how much full arch implant stuff Dr. Klim does but that scanners new tech is a market disrupter for a lot of practices
I agree that photogrammetry does have an edge!!
I currently own a PrimeScan, PrimeMill and MCXL. I would like to be able to mill larger bridges, which don't fit in the zirconia CEREC blocks as well as multi-unit implant guides. I'm looking at the Ivoclar primemill dry (VHFK5) and wondering if I should look to InLab vs ExoCAD software for CAD.
I use both inLab and Exocad. Inlab is more efficient in design flow for posterior inlays and onlays or when export is needed for printed provisional restorations. Exocad is heads above for diagnostic workups and virtual wax-ups and has much better anterior proposals. However, if you are used to CEREC, Exocad is different to learn, but it definitely has its benefits once learned. So your decision will depend on what you want. As far as implant-supported processes are concerned, inLab is excellent.
I’m wondering if DS core will allow you to open a trios scan into 5.3 cerec chairside SW
Will need to convert the files in DS Core first.
I do trios 5 and trios automate then move to inlab cam and mill LiSi.
@@tb378 nice combo!
PrimeScan 2 may work with slow internet but you need some edge network appliance that can do the required buffering and stream on the local network (only briefly described at DS World 2024).
Yes, I see the value in the cloud, I like the DS Core. However, scanning to just DS Core without a backup plan could present a backup plan issue if the internet goes down, or for instance, today, we are having a solar flare effect in Northern Idaho, and the internet is somewhat compromised. This could be a problem if one needs to scan a full-mouth case with a patient from out of town. Having been a beta tester for Bluecam and Omnicam, I know the initial release had bugs and took several years to solve. The Primescan was better but had crashing issues until 5.2. Again, this is the nature of digital technology; the cloud could present some reliability issues. Anyway, for my homestead, where I work from Starlink, total cloud management is not a good idea now for my digital workflow. Thanks for your comment.
I am using the PS 2 it with 20mbit upload and edge device! Up to now it works great.
@@DocHosang great to know, thanks for the feedback!
Great video! Thanks! I have a trios and cerec 5.1.3 Omnicam with MXCL. I have the STL file from the trios, is there anyway we can open the case as a cerec case and plan and mill the restoration from the trios scans? I have signed up to DS core and have uploaded the STL files onto DS core but I cant seem to be able to convert the file- any tips would be greatly appreciated!
@@amitlakhani-on8qy see the following link, a Trios user will need to pair your 3 Shape software for DS Core, and the scan will automatically be uploaded in color to DS Core, then once in DS Core, the file can be sent and will open in CEREC. support.3shape.com/products-3shape-unite-connections-and-integrations-how-to/trios-meets-prime-installation-and-user-guide
Dr. Klim this is Dr Messenger My question is do you have a video of you going from Exocad to Inlab? Just the steps that you do after you finish designing in Exocad and incorporating it into Inlab. I wanna see that flow. Love your videos by the way known you for a long time.
Hi Gene, It's good to hear from you. Take the STL files of the restorations from Exocad and then import them into the inLab CAM software. The CAM Software across the board is mostly STL-driven. I will also do more of a video on this. May all be well with you and your family.
Great video and exactly what I’m debating and researching right now! Been a big fan of yours for a long time (watching in the back ground:) I have a trios 5 and trying to figure out best way to get chair side same day units going again at my new office. I’ll be watching closely!! Curious with all the files being exported to other softwares how this impacts chair side timing?
Yes, I am getting a Trios as well. With DS Core, it can be aligned with Trios to auto upload, and with this, download to inLab software and then mill on MC XL or Primmill. Though this could take 2-4 minutes of extra time, doing same-day restorations with this setup is possible and can be time efficient.
So i guest no need for dental technician anymore right.
Interesting statement. There is more opportunity for dental technicians now than ever with those who embrace digital workflows. Some historical services, such as dental standard single-unit lab services, will be transferred to the dental office. There are other services where the workflows will be shared, and new services will be added for lab services. There will be more opportunities for both the dental offices and labs that embrace this technology.
@KlimDDS This 3D technology has entered my country hard this year, and most labs have been closing shop since the doctors all put a " we can do it ourselves why we need to send to lab anymore " mindset. I know it's the future, but as a DT myself, i see our future are not so bright.
@@M1zi3 Oh, I totally get it. I love both sides of the bench, so I understand. I do feel your pain. AI software provides better morphology for the average user, lab or dentist, and zirconia options are driving the profession. I teach classes to both dentists and technicians. There are multiple teirs of supply and demand in the profession. The labs that make the future are the ones that find a niche in the digital workflow. Approximately 59% of North American offices have a digital image-capturing device. In addition, Dentsply Sirona is putting its digital development into a cloud that bridges digital services and communication. The future design and lab services will embrace this and find their place in the cloud for connecting with dentists. I wish you all the best.
@@M1zi3 And one more thing, I do see the growing demand for concierge lab services, such as mobile design, machining/printing, and going onsite with services. This could be a partnership arrangement with a group of dentists. Also, there is the demand for efficient turnaround, if not same-day service. I know of practices with 2-4 dentists with a full-time lab technician support that involve more patient contact and working with the patient to fully customize the restorative process. These will be the growing lab/technician services of the future. It is already happening here in the USA, and those who have filled this niche are thriving.
Whoops, asked before watching full vid..😂
I need scanners I can use with i9 PCs with 32GB RAM to take scans of all NP’s and most other patients. Medit i700 is too slow to process.
Omnicam is just right for my staff but it’s tied to my milling machine.
Is this finally the answer?
Primescan 02 could be the answer if your internet speed is great. I hear this system is still in early development and has bugs to work through. On the other hand, I chose to go with the Trios 5, and with DS core, this system can be brought into inLab and Exocad. Plus, at my homestead studio, I use Starling for the internet, which is fast, but not there for the Primescan 2 cloud-based scanning. I still have my Primescan 1 and love it.