Team come up with good idea. Implement good idea into something that can be used on their car. Car does better. Everybody tries to copy it. FIA bans it. The circle of F1 "innovation".
@@echobounce2945 I understand having rules, but the pattern is that rules are set out at the beginning of a season, one or two teams innovate something that doesn't QUITE break the rules, then everyone who just lost the race cry foul. Also some of the innovations are sometimes legitimately dangerous.
F1: We want teams to innovate and create clever solutions to make faster cars! Team: *Makes incredible discovery and gains massive benefits* F1: CEASE YOUR ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY! YOU ARE BANNED!
well it is legal before and now it is not... alot of tech can not go on real car since it not on a race track and you can not go fast to get those effect...
@@cucumber_zucker Because there's nothing on the current regulation that regulate the steering wheel, lol. Not like what (commonly, I don't say all) Ferrari fans theorized, they're not just wheelie-nilly on banning parts, it's always because of the regulation that in works at the time (which is pretty ironic coming from a Ferrari fans, but that's just my opinion.) That's also the reason why DAS is banned next season, because there's already a regulation about the steering position even before Merc revealed the DAS.
To be honest in the pursuit of speed and downforce, eventually it gets too dangerous, the old ground effect, and wherever fans would have lead would simply be death traps
@@shaami8622 Really.. I mean that's not the only thing that can go wrong and impale someone. I thought the point was to look for safest possible implementation. By your logic, none of the cars should even be on the grid. 🤔
FIA: "we will ban anything that makes cars unsafe..." Team 1: "our innovation makes grip more consistent in the corners!" Team 2: "our innovation increases down force for more grip!" FIA: "...those are banned too"
Something to consider is that whatever they're using should consistently give similar grip/downforce etc. E.g. skirts could get chipped away on bumpers/off track and then suddenly the car had massively less downforce than the drivers expected. Flying them off at the next fast turn
Storiaron oh you mean like wings and tires? Ya know, the things that get broken off and punctured mid corner all the time??? Yeah, the cars shouldn’t have those either
The basic rule of thumb for technical innovation: - Team comes up with genius solution - Everyone tries to copy it - Ferrari fail to copy it successfully - Ferrari lobby the FIA to ban it - The FIA ban it
@@TheEvapiiShow the regulations stated that a fan whos primary use was to provide aerodynamic effect was illegal. When designing it Murray went for the loophole that its primary use was for cooling. Although difficult to disprove this was obviously bullshit so they agreed to remove it before court proceedings etc
So many engineering solutions, all of them banned. Granted some presented actual safe issues (F ducts, X wings) but others were just a way to stifle innovation
I think the ground effects skirts and the fan car were dangerous too. Skirts were too unpredictable in bumpy situations and the fan threw small debris to the cars behind. Other than that, stuff like double diffusers and mass dampers are genius.
@@kutayarcan911 the main issue there was the loss in downforce in case of damage, which to be fair was a safety risk. That too I can understand but the third pedal, the mass damper and double diffuser were banned because it was easier for the other teams
What safe issues did the F-duct had? And if you mean because the drivers had to use their hands that was the teams fault being stupid by using their hands. There´s a reason Mclaren´s system used the side of the leg and not their hands...
All these banned innovations feels like, its slowing down any innovations by doing this. Would have wondered if they did not ban them how different the cars might have become and also how much more innovations could have gone out of those innovations as they would have try to improve them over time.
most were banned after senna's death because the cars simply were too quick for the safety of that time. remember they were racing 750+hp, super light cars that didn't even have a speedometer, let alone any form of traction control etc. drivers also sat with their feet over the front axis, meaning that if they crashed into a wall they'd often break their ankles.
@@dutchclasher5471 I understand that safety is an issue. But climbing mountains without oxygen or ropes is not safe but still a thing. And it does sound a bit silly - To limit speed potential in a sport were going as fast as possible is the objective.
@@abdurrahmanusman2498 yes but something like a wheel vibration dampener could be very beneficial at these speeds, so we cant just apply that to everything
Exactly it’s a constructors championship if you don’t want innovation and new ideas they should just make everyone run the same engines and chassis like Indy car.
Porkchop Sandwiches especially the dampers. It minimises take off as cars can’t fly up into the sky when hitting kerbs and definitely minimises loss of control. There has been multiple cases of cars hitting kerbs at high speed making micro bounces and sending them to their other side. If a car just behind it is going 180 mph. Lets say it wouldn’t be the most fanciest thing...
ye, and 9 out of 10 of these things were clever engineering solutions and indeed LEGAL! as per the rules at the time. yet the video title calls them CHEEKY.... which is frankly retarded title for this video. It should be celebrating the engineers and their cleverness.
unfortunately back in those days the active suspension computers wherent smart/fast enough to handle the data... so there where crashes involving the active suspension THINKING it was on a different part of the track than it actually was...
6:18 “It shouldn’t be illegal, but because we’re not as good as they are we don’t want them racing unless we all get to copy them, but that’s to expensive, so just retire the car”
If the price is prohibitive to the rest of the teams, it creates a monopoly, not good for the sport. I know it's "unfair", but otherwise the sport would be boring with the same team winning everything always.
This video is missing the last 6 years, where it goes like this: - "Mercedes invented it and FIA approved it" - "Some other team invented it, Mercedes complained and FIA banned it"
The Brabham Fan Car was neer banned. In fact, Gordon Murray has a letter from the FIA saying it was legal. They withdrew it because the other owners told Bernie they would quit F1 if he didn't end the program.
If unlimited ground effects, combined with 4 wheel drive and fans at the back, f-ducts and all kinds of aerodevices the cars would be too fast for a human to handle. Not sure how that would be to watch
@@kenlykkeslett7501 more interesting than today. think of the engineering marvels that would used to create the insane tracks required. im surprised there has not been a no restriction series yet.
That makes no sense. Brawn won the whole season because of one innovation and people were complaining that it was boring. Now you are seeing the same with Mercedes, Red Bull before and Ferrari before it. This people is the exact reason why fans should never be making the rules. It's just knee jerk reactions.
Yes team can extract as much performance, from set off writen formula of rules. Not just outrageous innovation war which lead to whichever got the most money win and no small teams interested in competing. Loose regulation will just create wacky racing.
@@ardijanuar2036 These are not outrageous and more often than not, poor teams that are desperate get the most out of them. Tyrrell and Brawn for example.
@Yt_User#911 umm do you know how F1 works everyone but the big three are poor by comparison. So in my opinion these sneaky advantages leveled the playing field between rich and poor teams
The double diffuser and the mass damper were absolutely GENIUS innovations by small teams, and look at the results. Either the FIA or bigger teams' protests made it illegal.
The media and people in the paddock didn't know what to call it so they just said "have you seen the duct on the f of vodafone on the front of the McLaren?" "F-duct" was born.
Team 1: This is revolutionary for us! Team 2: That’s illegal, ban it! *Next season* Team 2: This is revolutionary for us! Team 1: That’s illegal, ban it!
@@christythambithurai8814 Not at all saying he did or implying he did. Are you not familiar with the "I think you misspelled _" Joke format? If I have to explain it, Ferrari doesn't like when other teams make innovative and unique changes to their car that make their car really good and then they go crying to FIA to ban it. I can name multiple times where this was exactly the case, if you'd like.
As a novice to F1 I learned from this video that the governing body of F1 is primarily interested in limiting competition between the top tier teams and the mid tier teams. As soon as a mid tier team comes up with an innovation to get an edge on the top tier teams the governing body steps in due to influence by the top tier teams to outlaw these new innovations. As an engineer this practice seems competitively counterintuitive to the spirit of motorsports
@@yaxo11 50 years of History says, it's only ferrari that fails to keep up and innovate, thus bans... like the another commenter said, The basic rule of thumb for technical innovation: - Team comes up with genius solution - Everyone tries to copy it - Ferrari fail to copy it successfully - Ferrari lobby the FIA to ban it - The FIA ban it Ferrari: We can drive without hands but a wing damper is unacceptable. similar to the DAS system by Mercedes.
Love it. Just imagine what we could have, had a few these developments and innovations been kept in the sport and given time to develop If we had today's F1 leadership in 1968 they probably would have banned downforce-generating wings altogether when Lotus first used downforce to gain an advantage
@@skyscall It's sad about the majority of the developments being banned, although I am happy to not have 6 or 8 wheeler F1 cars, that'd be way too bizarre.
@@MyFamilyFoodGarden lol I was thinking the same, but in the end I'd be like "ahhh hell, let's allow it to see what they come up with next". I mean they can always split the racing category in 2, normal and 20 wheelers lol
Hugh Jass Hate Ferrari much?! Ferrari only complained about the 1 innovation (#6), bud(?). Other teams did their fair share of whining over other ideas too. Changing weight with water was flat-out cheating, while Alonso's driving ability was pure genius!? Mostly, it was just easier to whine about some innovations and have them banned than to have to spend resources catching up(?) - not enough races to test and implement, maybe? We can only speculate.
@@jeokagem8002 Sooo if someone innovates and creates something nice. For their time, effort, money and genius the FIA just ban it so other teams don't spend time, effort and money? Makes sense...
@@dedecus7111 Dude, that's not what I said at all! (I don't know why I'm even responding to your comment because it's just plain dumb!?). I suggest that you should try to UNDERSTAND the comment/s better before you say something(?). I didn't mention ANYTHING about not innovating; of course, innovation is important - EXCEPT when it comes to flat-out cheating (like changing the weight of the car with water). My point was why is Hugh Jass singling out Ferrari when they are only guilty of complaining about 1 of the 10 items? He sounds like a Ferrari-hater. They are ALL guilty of complaining when they think another team has an unfair advantage, or if they think they can't catch up in time for that season. Finally, try to remember this in the future: "It is better to be quiet and be THOUGHT a fool than to speak out and dispell all doubt"
@@ialexleb7245 he staunchly followed the engineers number one rule...if it loks right, it probably is...if it looks fast...ditto...the winglets didnt look fast to him...or me...he was right though
The FIA seems to think the way to revolutionize the sport and shake up the grid is to just redo the whole chassis every few years rather than letting teams just invent new things to keep things fresh. I guess it's because the FIA's interest is close racing but the constructors' interest is in constructor points. Those two things work against each other when it comes to establishing rules that allow inventive solutions but promotes wheel-to-wheel action.
With the Lotus 88 they had the right to ban it, since the outside chassis did move to adjust its height. As for why the original Team Lotus died, they just stopped being a competitive team. They lost the Honda engines for 1989, and from there, the team just became less and less competitive, despite having a young Mika Hakkinen in their line up for 1991 and 92. Hell in their last season in 94 they scored no points despite getting engines from Mugen-Honda.
"The risk of ground effect causing cars to take off was high..." *shows a low speed wheel to wheel contact caused flight that ground effect would have nothing to do with*
This could be said of any motorsport series, really. Any innovation that might upset the inverted pyramid of rich teams staying on top while spending as little as possible usually dies on the vine before it can be fully developed.
@GamerFrancis TV I agree the halo is safe (albeit ugly), I just don't think the side wings were unsafe. heck, they banned bmw sauber's twin towers for the same 'obstructed visibility' reason, even though drivers didn't mind them any more than they mind the halo. just feels hypocritical of them, like visibility is the excuse they pull out of their hat when they don't like a creative solution.
Except most of these innovations were dangerous and/or impractical. For example, the skirts contributed to the down force so much that if it were to break the cars will suddenly lose a lot of grip & downfoce with the high probability of causing a crash. Another example is the weighted front wing. Weight is so important that eventually the teams would have probably removed it even if it wasn't banned
@@Akniy What are you even saying? The front wing is the most important aero element in the car because it is what dictates the flow of the rest of the whole car aerodynamics. If by dampening the vibrations you get a more stable front wing, you can tune it more precisely to move airflow and vortices to wherever you want, hence improving the performance of the car as a whole. More so when you have less downforce because you're running on a kerb at mid speed while cornering.
A random team: (creates an innovation that greatly enhances the car's performance) FiA: "It is... acceptable" That random team: (wins once with the car) FiA: *Excuse me what the fu-"*
The 6 wheel cars are for sure some of my favorite outside of the box designs in motorsports. It's up there with the stuff they were doing in can-am and group b.
The f-duct may have been banned, but its effect of stalling airflow over the rear wing to reduce drag was the inspiration behind the DRS system added the following year.
My thoughts in the innovations X-Wings: even though effective, it was fragile and ugly. I dont think banning them was fair since it was from recycled wings but i dont mind it. Mass damper: actually pissed this got banned. No reason to except costs but cmon it was just a weight Nose cam: again dint get why FUA banned them unless it was barely visible F-duct: i get why this is banned. Driving one hand + added costs. Whats next driving with no hands down the straight lmao Rear brake: like the mass damper Lotus 88: mate this has to be expensive stuff. I mean creating 2 chassis for 1 car. I dont get why people want this unbanned but at the same time supports cost caps Double diff: again i dont get the fuss because it already brought Brawn 2 championships before it got banned. Sure it should've continued to 2010 but by then everyone would've had it and it would be equal again Water cooled brakes: this was genuinely cheating. Rules are there for a reason. If everyone ran underwheight cars then why do we even need the minimum weight rule, glad it was banned 6 wheel: costs? I guess? This was a hit or miss innovation so idk Fan car: plot twist FIA didnt ban it, Ecclestone decided to not race it anymore because he didnt want snaller teams getting upset. Regardless i dont think this should be banned. This was just jealousy from others
The rear brake was really clever, but one could argue that operating three pedals could lead to mistakes, so there would be a safety issue. But at the same time, these are the best drivers in the world, i think they are abled to manage it, so it would be something to discuss. The 6-wheeler I would have banned myself, because a) it looks strange (bad reason I know) and b) regarding how pit stops have developed over the years until today, there would be even more people standing around the car, so again safety issues. And the fan car wouldn't stay long, because this somehow defeats the thing about aerodynamik developement. The downforce should in my opinion be made by redirecting the air flow around the car, not by actively sucking or blowing the air around. About the rest I totally agree with you, and I am really sad about the mass damper. That one was really genius.
The water cooled brakes themselves weren't the problem, it was that the team wasn't using it and dumping the water before the race to drop the weight. As for the rear brake pedal, operating three pedals is not more difficult. Manual cars anyone? As for the aero things, anything that increases downforce means the drivers can go faster while being safer. As long as it doesn't have to be manually actuated (like the f duct) banning it is stupid. The X wings could have stayed. While ugly it wasn't their existence that was a problem, it was their placement. Keep them legal and order that they can't block the driver's view. I get banning both the 6 wheelers and double chassis designs on cost reasons. Not that F1 is a cheap sport. Banning the camera placement was stupid too. Having it inside of a non structural portion of the car and covered by a clear lens improves aero. The problem was, again, the placement. The actual spot the put it blocked too much of the camera angle.
@@cinegraphics Fia is not anyones bitch, why would they do that? Mercs are not guilty they started developing 2014 half decade before their rivals. and Fia can't just throw those engines now out, because they are already the cars very core. if they just ban 'em now it'll force teams to build the whole new cars, rebuild factories and etc. imagine the costs. in the time when F1 so desperately tries to lower it. plus ecology which is the reason they brought them in the first place. so considering that Mercs started developing those hybrid engines even before coming to f1, it is no wonder they nailed 2014. and people like you just hate mercedes for being the best. im not a Mercs fan too and i'm tired as well of the Mercedes dominance. but what they've got is deserved and i accept it. besides, F1 tried to stop 'em in 2017 already, which is by the way only 3 years after the darkness rising, compared to early 2000 when the rule changes to kill Ferrari came only 5 years later. so in 2017 they brought those aero in hope to bring the importance of engines down. but Mercs again showed their brains, and although Ferrari and Red Bull stepped very close, thanks to those rule changes, they still domehow saved the ability to fight for the championship. so to conclude Fia and F1 are trying to stop Mercedes but they can't just violate their own rules to stop them. with those 2022 rule changes though it will be their second attempt. doubt any team in history survived even Fia's first attack. so you have to understand that Fia never backs anyone, their main target is always to increase popularity of the F1 and thus make more money from it, and the dominance of a one team hardly helps it.
@@bosshard64 are you on drugs? FIA has chosen the type of engine EXACTLY by the specs that Mercedes already had. They could have chosen something else, but FIA chooses Mercedes type of engine, against all other teams. Sure they can throw those engines out. Same as they introduced them, they could equally as easily outlaw them. And bring back V10 engines, with the sound that audience likes. Because racing should be about audience. And NOT rigging everything to make a big commercial for Mercedes. I don't wanna watch a Mercedes commercial, I wanna watch honest racing. I don't hate Mercedes, I hate injustice. They could as well take Tesla into competition and then one day just switch to electric motors. And guess what, Tesla and similar companies would beat the crap out of Mercedes and everyone else. Maybe the next world champ would be Alexander Albon driving for Rimac Concept X Racing. Would that be a honest twist in the story? Nope. That would be plain corruption and cheating. Just like it is now. Mercedes didn't show their "brains". Other teams came up with clever innovations too. But FIA banned them. While they allowed almost all innovations by Mercedes, even if the other teams were complaining. FIA just doesn't care about the audience, or other teams, they are Mercedes bitch. There was never such a dominant car in the recent history of F1, for such a long time. This is just perversion. I bet that each steward gets a new Mercedes every year, "for no reason at all". No wonder that Safety Car is also a Mercedes. They should rename F1 into "Mercedes racing series" so that people know what it's really about.
@@NicholasStrand If I recall Gran Turismo/Red Bull did the same with their X2014 fan car. Theoretically it was possible to build but would be almost impossible to drive due to the g-forces it was capable of.
"It's been a whole less than a year since you've won a championship, and we aspire to parity. We only want you winning the championship no less than 6 times in a row."
I could understand if any other team than redbull or ferrari complained and they banned it. but it was those two, with equivalent budget, that complained first, and they knew what merc was doing beforehand, and did not bother to create a similar contraption.
@@bluevayero7269 well with or without das Mercedes wouldve still won.Maybe max would have second place in the WDC but they would've still won the constructors
@@nasseralkhelaifi1853 nah first reason why mirror attached on halo because driver comfort first then everybody complaining it because winglet and mirror instead installed at the halo so yeah, that also counted as taking aero advantage too from winglet at halo
The entire original turbo era could make this list. There was so much crazy tech in those cars. Active suspensions, blown exhausts, rocket fuel, and some even experimented with nitrous.
@@KnockKnockNeo except the rulebook didnt say no. Remember the part of the video that said "WITH FIA PERMISSION they fitted the system to the rear of the car aswell".
FIA : _"Fine , You can do it, Approved"_
*Team wins*
FIA : _"Ok, Remove it right now. Banned."_
Team come up with good idea. Implement good idea into something that can be used on their car. Car does better. Everybody tries to copy it. FIA bans it. The circle of F1 "innovation".
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN Almost spot on. Everybody tries it, yet they still fail... Then everybody cries then FIA bans
this is why i don't like F1. would be so much more interesting if they didn't ban everything.
@@oneofthoseguys4936 All it takes is for Ferrari to cry to get a ban, unfortunately.
@@echobounce2945 I understand having rules, but the pattern is that rules are set out at the beginning of a season, one or two teams innovate something that doesn't QUITE break the rules, then everyone who just lost the race cry foul. Also some of the innovations are sometimes legitimately dangerous.
F1 team: *Modern problems require modern solutions*
FIA: *Wait. That's illegal*
But if you are Mecedes, it's OK
@@ronsilverstone6817 FIA banned Mercedes' pseudo active suspension around 2016.
@@ronsilverstone6817 *perhaps*
They're like, "We are the most modern form of racing, so let's discourage innovation."
Combining two memes:
*cha cha real smooth*
FIA: thats a nice bit of innovation you have there
Be a shame if someone
BANNED IT
But half of these were banned because other teams immediately started crying like little bitches
Nice inventions you have
Shame we gonna ban that thing
Next season next next season
Fosso no, cause Ferrari complained. F.I.A. stands for Ferrari International Assistance
😂😂
😂👌
F1 is basically like this.
Other teams : *invent mods that maximize car's performance*
FIA : i like it
Ferrari : i don't like it
FIA : i don't like it
I think that today isn't Ferrari but Mercedes
Ferrari international assist
AKA
FIA
Literally
@@M1ch3l1n0 more like red bull
more like "Hamilton: I don't like it" nowadays
F1: We want teams to innovate and create clever solutions to make faster cars!
Team: *Makes incredible discovery and gains massive benefits*
F1: CEASE YOUR ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY! YOU ARE BANNED!
But half of these were banned because other teams immediately started crying like little bitches
@@fosso8803 Pretty much like you are, by pasting the same comment everywhere on this video?
Cause team donc think of safety, they think about performance
@@OfficialAnarchyz I posted it 2 times.
@@OfficialAnarchyz Which makes sense because there are several top comments that all say the same
FIA: We encourage teams to innovate their cars
Also FIA: Nah let's ban this
Well, tbh FIA bans where caused by the majority of the other teams that started protesting all these innovations...
well it is legal before and now it is not... alot of tech can not go on real car since it not on a race track and you can not go fast to get those effect...
luuk341 called, he wants his joke back
@@cucumber_zucker Because there's nothing on the current regulation that regulate the steering wheel, lol. Not like what (commonly, I don't say all) Ferrari fans theorized, they're not just wheelie-nilly on banning parts, it's always because of the regulation that in works at the time (which is pretty ironic coming from a Ferrari fans, but that's just my opinion.)
That's also the reason why DAS is banned next season, because there's already a regulation about the steering position even before Merc revealed the DAS.
To be honest in the pursuit of speed and downforce, eventually it gets too dangerous, the old ground effect, and wherever fans would have lead would simply be death traps
The damped front wing is a masterpiece of engineering. It's a shame that the FIA banned those.
That should be number one.
Imagine it crashing and the weights inside flung out aimlessly towards unlucky bystanders....
Now you know why they banned it.
@@shaami8622 Really.. I mean that's not the only thing that can go wrong and impale someone. I thought the point was to look for safest possible implementation. By your logic, none of the cars should even be on the grid. 🤔
@@shaami8622 I dunno, that seems as likely to happen with any other part of the car in a crash
@@daisaigaming6836 but the wing is made to be easily removable. making it more dangerous in a crash if it had a weight
Mclaren: Adds rear brake pedal
FIA: Cool
Ferrari: Uncool
FIA: Uncool
Yeah bit of a shame that one.
some oversimplified action
Ferrari International Assistance
@@Lazbotable oh how things have changed🤣
Mclaren's solution when Ferrari is ahead = send engineer's wife to Kenko's
F1 Team: Innovates
FIA: That's not allowed
FIA: Wait, that's illegal!
unless the team is called Mercedes
@@Nefus1988 or Ferrari
@@IIApollyonII no they changed the tyre policy in 2005 to stop ferrai
Most of these "innovations" were dangerous and/or impractical
2006: Renault's mass damper banned
Gasly in 2019: there's a lot of *vibraaaaaAAAaatiooooon*
well, that was because those tyres were square
The 2006 Renault was a
smoooooooth operator!
I have a lot of vibration on this seeeeee- set
Lol 😂
Harmless device that improve the cars performance and if anything, made it safer for them to drive.
1. Innovate
2. Win
3. Get Banned
4. Mercedes 1-2
Mustakrakish yea f1 is so boring nowadays
Not at all verstappen and leclerc are good
Chorisiyo mongolo They are. I’m a fan of both. Have you seen this season tho?
ng jason has
Its good these days, the young drivers are really interesting and actually bring something new to f1
F1 car: moves FIA: no
1.1k likes and no replies? Let me fix that.
"The design was deemed to be legal before being banned..."
It seems that the opposition teams can't handle superior development. Teams complain FIA backs the majority everytime.
FIA is probably retired ATF staff
When Ferrari protested
I will agree, there always seemed to be a touch of politics that was bullshit, but there were a few that one can safely argue was for safety purposes.
PYLrulz1984 and those safety flaws were only there to get around other bullshit laws
Me: Hi
FIA: Banned
mercedes:hi
fia:hi
Zafer Arslan accurate.
lol 1k likes 3 comments 😂
Or as it’s more commonly known Ferrari Banned. Any race team trying any new innovation better ask Ferrari if they approve first.
-breathes
FIA: Banned
FIA: "we will ban anything that makes cars unsafe..."
Team 1: "our innovation makes grip more consistent in the corners!"
Team 2: "our innovation increases down force for more grip!"
FIA: "...those are banned too"
Something to consider is that whatever they're using should consistently give similar grip/downforce etc.
E.g. skirts could get chipped away on bumpers/off track and then suddenly the car had massively less downforce than the drivers expected. Flying them off at the next fast turn
Storiaron oh you mean like wings and tires? Ya know, the things that get broken off and punctured mid corner all the time??? Yeah, the cars shouldn’t have those either
Downforce wasn't really safe. Once the car got too far off the ground the ground effect turned into lift and would somersault the car.
Since 2014, if Mercedes invents something then it's approved by FIA.
If their competitors invent something FIA bans it immediately.
@@cinegraphics they banned das dude.
The basic rule of thumb for technical innovation:
- Team comes up with genius solution
- Everyone tries to copy it
- Ferrari fail to copy it successfully
- Ferrari lobby the FIA to ban it
- The FIA ban it
Ferrari International Assistance
And yet Ferrari does not win a F1 championship since 2007
@@marciolcasagrandeBefore you see how Ferrari is run you wonder how they haven't won everything, after seeing it, you wonder how they win anything.
Yet we haven't won since 2007
Still can't win
Ferrari: We can drive without hands but a wing damper that's unacceptable.
in lemongrabs voice.
using wing damper is unacceptable, UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How dare McLaren have another brake pedal!
Shut up
FIA stands for ferrari international assistance
A double diffuser that isn't dangerous and doesnt improve the car that much
FIA mm that's a ban for me
Tyrrell: We have a 6 wheel car
FIA: No, you have a 5 second penalty
HAHAHAHAHAA
Fede Albanello it really wasn’t that funny
@@noah321 "Fade Albanello, I didn't find this as funny as you did. Just wanted to let you know. Cheers." FTFY
@@AcornFox thanks for reporting that Noah didn't found that too funny
Ban this comment... For not being found that funny..!
Chapman: Hey look at this new...
FIA: BANNED
Brabham: Look at this fancar!
Chapman: Wait, that's illegal
@@TheEvapiiShow the regulations stated that a fan whos primary use was to provide aerodynamic effect was illegal. When designing it Murray went for the loophole that its primary use was for cooling. Although difficult to disprove this was obviously bullshit so they agreed to remove it before court proceedings etc
how to go faster in corners ?
other teams : develop aerodynamics and suspensions
Lotus : S U C C
downfloorce
😂
gotta love that discovery of ground effect
Brabham: B I G S U C C
What did we learn?
Be creative, innovate, find solutions to problems and the FIA will ban it no matter what
Blaze Z Or just hide it from Ferrari. They seemed to be the reason a lot of these were banned. Once they start getting beaten it was ban time.
@@toka100 Because they owned Ferrari's idiotic Authority
Be polite, Be efficient, Have a plan to get your car banned by the FIA
The illusion of choices
That is why F1 sucks now.
So many engineering solutions, all of them banned. Granted some presented actual safe issues (F ducts, X wings) but others were just a way to stifle innovation
I think the ground effects skirts and the fan car were dangerous too. Skirts were too unpredictable in bumpy situations and the fan threw small debris to the cars behind.
Other than that, stuff like double diffusers and mass dampers are genius.
@@kutayarcan911 The debris thing was made up by the other teams so that the FIA would ban it. It was not really an issue.
@@kutayarcan911 the main issue there was the loss in downforce in case of damage, which to be fair was a safety risk. That too I can understand but the third pedal, the mass damper and double diffuser were banned because it was easier for the other teams
The Lotus Type 88 was the safest car on the grid, they banned it because other teams whinned about it, nothing else.
What safe issues did the F-duct had? And if you mean because the drivers had to use their hands that was the teams fault being stupid by using their hands. There´s a reason Mclaren´s system used the side of the leg and not their hands...
All these banned innovations feels like, its slowing down any innovations by doing this. Would have wondered if they did not ban them how different the cars might have become and also how much more innovations could have gone out of those innovations as they would have try to improve them over time.
Makes me sad inside. So much new stuff waiting, but fia just swinging away on the ban hammer..
A lot of the older ones were banned for safety concerns, but I do agree with you.
most were banned after senna's death because the cars simply were too quick for the safety of that time. remember they were racing 750+hp, super light cars that didn't even have a speedometer, let alone any form of traction control etc. drivers also sat with their feet over the front axis, meaning that if they crashed into a wall they'd often break their ankles.
How would a speedometer make a car in anyway safer. When your racing you don’t care what the speedo says.
@@dutchclasher5471 I understand that safety is an issue. But climbing mountains without oxygen or ropes is not safe but still a thing. And it does sound a bit silly - To limit speed potential in a sport were going as fast as possible is the objective.
It makes me so angry when these innovations get banned. These cars are supposed to push the limits of mechanical engineering.
But you wanna make a car faster rather than keep their lives in safe hands.there's a reason there were not many deaths and injuries in f1.
FIA: No
@@abdurrahmanusman2498 yes but something like a wheel vibration dampener could be very beneficial at these speeds, so we cant just apply that to everything
@@7kAndyy yea youre not wrong.
Exactly it’s a constructors championship if you don’t want innovation and new ideas they should just make everyone run the same engines and chassis like Indy car.
Engineers: "Hey, you know what we could do...."
**Car goes faster with new upgrade**
FIA: "AYYY STOP"
F1 Team: Innovates
FIA: “We don’t do that here”
4:37 this has to be the greatest thing anyone in formula one has ever said
He's spitting straight facts
and this is why i hate ferrari through the jean todt era (along with Schumi's unsportsmanship). very sore losers.
Well yes. In fact he happily rose to the technical challenge in 2007. Such a hypocrite.
F1 Engineers: extremely clever and ingenious technology to make their car go faster
FIA: is this cheating?
*Ferrari
I really don't get why some things are banned. F1 should be the absolute best cars and engineering
Yes look at those shitty marvels. Impressive are they.
If it makes the car faster without compromising safety then it should be allowed.
Porkchop Sandwiches especially the dampers. It minimises take off as cars can’t fly up into the sky when hitting kerbs and definitely minimises loss of control. There has been multiple cases of cars hitting kerbs at high speed making micro bounces and sending them to their other side. If a car just behind it is going 180 mph. Lets say it wouldn’t be the most fanciest thing...
ye, and 9 out of 10 of these things were clever engineering solutions and indeed LEGAL! as per the rules at the time. yet the video title calls them CHEEKY.... which is frankly retarded title for this video. It should be celebrating the engineers and their cleverness.
i think its a cost thing, where when 1 team develops a new system all the other teams have to try and keep up with whoever is raising the bar
Why is Eddie Jordan wearing swimming goggles lol
The late 90s and early 2000s was a funny time for fashion it was cool but now just google any celebrity from that time period and you'll cringe 😂
@@adrianalprin5752 I know extremely baggy jeans used to be a thing especially in America 😂
Today's lesson: British engineers are top madmen
that goggle looks like romain grojean 's goggles
He sweats alot
Imagine the ultimate f1 car that had all the innovations they wanted.
So the Red Bull X series from Gran Turismo?
@@josephpbrown think beyond the rules but yes that's a great start more rbx fan car and I'm sure they could keep going
it would have to be driven by a robot, too many G's haha
A lot of these innovations wouldn't work well together. They're in response to a very specific set of rules for each season.
Go watch LMP¹
Wait so Renault makes a genius addition to their car, but it doesn’t work so well for other teams so the fia bans it? Really ?
No it's because they're french and the FIA hate the french.
@@MediHusky isn't the FIA French?
@@seco000 Of course. I don't see how that is important, but yes.
@@MediHusky they don't hate the French, they love the red Italians...
@@y_fam_goeglyd I know, it's possible to have two things.
Active suspension was the master idea
Honestly I can't believe it didn't make the list.
yeah was it!!
Lucas Valeriano The active suspension lured Ayton to Williams!
unfortunately back in those days the active suspension computers wherent smart/fast enough to handle the data... so there where crashes involving the active suspension THINKING it was on a different part of the track than it actually was...
Oscar Sibanda exactly in the year it was banned😂
F1 Team: i have a great and interesting idea that will help the car’s performance
FIA : wait that’s illegal
or rather "it's not illegal but we ban it anyway because ferrari doesn't like it".
Engineers: we have this great innovation
Ferrari: we didn’t invent it. Must be illegal. Ban it
FIA: Yeah Ferrari don’t like it so banned
M G This just sounds like the FIA is just following Ferrari’s rules
Invent
M G i like how when ferrari is literally cheating like last year nothing happenes
sad thing is they are still loosing
@@sierraacharlie they wanted ban 2004 ferrari model so bad tho
FIA: Well you know... Ferrari said they’ll leave if we don’t ban it... and what merch would we sell then?... BANNED
Ferrari uses 2 engines
FIA: cool
Other teams make minor changes
FIA: banned
comedy highest level here
Why do you put it as the number 2?
6:18
“It shouldn’t be illegal, but because we’re not as good as they are we don’t want them racing unless we all get to copy them, but that’s to expensive, so just retire the car”
If the price is prohibitive to the rest of the teams, it creates a monopoly, not good for the sport. I know it's "unfair", but otherwise the sport would be boring with the same team winning everything always.
@@huracan200173 so... basically the entire hybrid era?
But that's entirely reasonable. Seriously. What kind of sport do you want? One where only the rich teams can win? How boring is that?
This video is missing the last 6 years, where it goes like this:
- "Mercedes invented it and FIA approved it"
- "Some other team invented it, Mercedes complained and FIA banned it"
@@huracan200173 Mercedes.
Please re-name it to "10 Moments FIA banned cars for out-smarting the competition"
The Brabham Fan Car was neer banned. In fact, Gordon Murray has a letter from the FIA saying it was legal. They withdrew it because the other owners told Bernie they would quit F1 if he didn't end the program.
@@stevelavergne2852 Murray said that Bernie did it for politics
@@andrewdanieldjapri2075 Yes, to appease the other teams.
Using water with lead to increase your weight is not "out-smarting the competition", it's cheating.
@@MrAlex310393 yes but things like active suspension and double diffuser should not have been banned
Imagine if these arent banned, each team would've unique and different looks just like galaxy races or whatever
If unlimited ground effects, combined with 4 wheel drive and fans at the back, f-ducts and all kinds of aerodevices the cars would be too fast for a human to handle. Not sure how that would be to watch
Ken Lykkeslett it would be interesting to watch 😂
Elon Musk would probably enter the race in his Falcon Heavy if that were the case...
@@kenlykkeslett7501 more interesting than today. think of the engineering marvels that would used to create the insane tracks required. im surprised there has not been a no restriction series yet.
You'd have something like the Red Bull X from Gran Turismo
Ironic that the gadget that really affected safety, making drivers drive one handed wasn't banned by the FIA but by agreement amongst the teams
F1 team: Creates a cool innovation that makes the race interesting
FIA: lemme just *YEET* that out of here
That makes no sense. Brawn won the whole season because of one innovation and people were complaining that it was boring. Now you are seeing the same with Mercedes, Red Bull before and Ferrari before it.
This people is the exact reason why fans should never be making the rules. It's just knee jerk reactions.
Ddpoprupf
@@tissot233 Exactly what I thought, well said.
Teams: This meets all regulations, they can’t ban this!
FIA: well yes but actually no.
FIA: Formula 1 is not a spec series, the teams can upgrade their car to extract their maximum potential!
Teams: *do exactly that*
FIA: **BANNED**
Yes team can extract as much performance, from set off writen formula of rules. Not just outrageous innovation war which lead to whichever got the most money win and no small teams interested in competing. Loose regulation will just create wacky racing.
@@ardijanuar2036 These are not outrageous and more often than not, poor teams that are desperate get the most out of them. Tyrrell and Brawn for example.
@Yt_User#911 umm do you know how F1 works everyone but the big three are poor by comparison.
So in my opinion these sneaky advantages leveled the playing field between rich and poor teams
@@ardijanuar2036 most of the times they banned innovations when the small teams invented it, and a big team claim it should not be legal
The double diffuser and the mass damper were absolutely GENIUS innovations by small teams, and look at the results. Either the FIA or bigger teams' protests made it illegal.
These aren’t cheeky-they’re innovative.
Hence innovations
Unless you mean ingenious
Henry the title which says innovations
Read the last word of the title of the video
Well they cant call it innovative innovations
Innovation: *exists*
FIA: “I’m about to end this man’s whole career.
Same problem NASCAR has. F1 and NASCAR are so boring and stupid now.
Alan Scharfstein
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2:54 ''The F duct'' is in fact...On the F of Vodafone.
i think that's why they called it that
That's why it was called that...
Didn't knoe that thx :D
Ironic
The media and people in the paddock didn't know what to call it so they just said "have you seen the duct on the f of vodafone on the front of the McLaren?" "F-duct" was born.
"Man, that's a great idea..."
"WAAAAAAAAAH!"
"Ok, fine, it's banned"
FIA: "You must be a constructor."
*Constructors construct things*
FIA: "ILLEGAL!"
Team 1: This is revolutionary for us!
Team 2: That’s illegal, ban it!
*Next season*
Team 2: This is revolutionary for us!
Team 1: That’s illegal, ban it!
Random team : hey so we’ve got this new innovatio -
FIA : NO
I think you miss-spelled "Ferrari"
@@viptech_c5286 when did he mention Ferrari
@@christythambithurai8814 Not at all saying he did or implying he did. Are you not familiar with the "I think you misspelled _" Joke format? If I have to explain it, Ferrari doesn't like when other teams make innovative and unique changes to their car that make their car really good and then they go crying to FIA to ban it. I can name multiple times where this was exactly the case, if you'd like.
More like
Random Team: Hey, so we’ve worked hard on this new inno-
Ferrari: FIA!! I CANT WIN AND CANT BUILD THE SAME THING!! CAN YOU BAN IT?
FIA: k
F1 Engineers: developing amazing new parts for their cars
FIA after it gets popular and anyone does it: WAIT, THAT´S ILLEGAL
As a novice to F1 I learned from this video that the governing body of F1 is primarily interested in limiting competition between the top tier teams and the mid tier teams. As soon as a mid tier team comes up with an innovation to get an edge on the top tier teams the governing body steps in due to influence by the top tier teams to outlaw these new innovations. As an engineer this practice seems competitively counterintuitive to the spirit of motorsports
imagine haas developing something, it will be banned in seconds, toto and horner will protest in heartbeat :D
@@yaxo11 50 years of History says, it's only ferrari that fails to keep up and innovate, thus bans...
like the another commenter said,
The basic rule of thumb for technical innovation:
- Team comes up with genius solution
- Everyone tries to copy it
- Ferrari fail to copy it successfully
- Ferrari lobby the FIA to ban it
- The FIA ban it
Ferrari: We can drive without hands but a wing damper is unacceptable. similar to the DAS system by Mercedes.
FIAs tagline.
"F1: Where Innovation comes to die."
Love it. Just imagine what we could have, had a few these developments and innovations been kept in the sport and given time to develop
If we had today's F1 leadership in 1968 they probably would have banned downforce-generating wings altogether when Lotus first used downforce to gain an advantage
@@skyscall It's sad about the majority of the developments being banned, although I am happy to not have 6 or 8 wheeler F1 cars, that'd be way too bizarre.
@@MyFamilyFoodGarden lol I was thinking the same, but in the end I'd be like "ahhh hell, let's allow it to see what they come up with next". I mean they can always split the racing category in 2, normal and 20 wheelers lol
The best one didn't make the list: active suspension by Williams in 1992.
Senna dislike this because Computer playing not a Racer driving..
lotus developed it
Later Fric was the new solution, when active suspensions got banned, wasn't it?
@@soldornot yep
No blown diffuser either :(
Remake with Mercedes soon?
Kore watch the complaints come in and it be banned
Ferrari will complain and then action will be taken.
It's already banned for 2021
@@Kore_YT lol 4 months later, red bull complained but fia ruled it legal
@@paulxo325 oh boy this comment didnt age well with RP
Engineers: Let's invent somethi-
FIA: Banned.
Say it with me.
"After Ferrari complained, the FIA banned the innovation."
Hugh Jass Hate Ferrari much?!
Ferrari only complained about the 1 innovation (#6), bud(?). Other teams did their fair share of whining over other ideas too. Changing weight with water was flat-out cheating, while Alonso's driving ability was pure genius!?
Mostly, it was just easier to whine about some innovations and have them banned than to have to spend resources catching up(?) - not enough races to test and implement, maybe? We can only speculate.
@@jeokagem8002 Sooo if someone innovates and creates something nice. For their time, effort, money and genius the FIA just ban it so other teams don't spend time, effort and money? Makes sense...
@@dedecus7111 Dude, that's not what I said at all! (I don't know why I'm even responding to your comment because it's just plain dumb!?). I suggest that you should try to UNDERSTAND the comment/s better before you say something(?).
I didn't mention ANYTHING about not innovating; of course, innovation is important - EXCEPT when it comes to flat-out cheating (like changing the weight of the car with water).
My point was why is Hugh Jass singling out Ferrari when they are only guilty of complaining about 1 of the 10 items? He sounds like a Ferrari-hater. They are ALL guilty of complaining when they think another team has an unfair advantage, or if they think they can't catch up in time for that season.
Finally, try to remember this in the future: "It is better to be quiet and be THOUGHT a fool than to speak out and dispell all doubt"
Ferrari is one the oldest team so yeah they will alot...
@@jeokagem8002 when Ferrari going start winning again?
Moral of the story, if you make something better than Ferrari, it will be banned
That's why Ferrari is nowhere near since 2012?
That's the Ferrari International Aid for you.
Ferrari. 'We can't get this to work, so we want it banned.'
FIA: 'Got ya fam.'
Dude, Ferrari wasn't the only team that complained about those innovations. I think is better not to make any conspiracy theories
@@dantheman9228 laughable logic
Sam Harper and why is it laughable ,this is what happened if you cant handle that then too bad.
Adrian Newey is a genius in car design, not only fast but elegant too
I'm not sure the main objective of Newey is to have elegant cars 😅
@@ialexleb7245 he staunchly followed the engineers number one rule...if it loks right, it probably is...if it looks fast...ditto...the winglets didnt look fast to him...or me...he was right though
@@Errol.C-nz you can see in one clip it broke in the pit lane
But Adrian copied Jeremy Clarkson's homework at school
Actual title: "How the FIA actively, regularly and consistently keeps innovation down in F1"
The FIA seems to think the way to revolutionize the sport and shake up the grid is to just redo the whole chassis every few years rather than letting teams just invent new things to keep things fresh.
I guess it's because the FIA's interest is close racing but the constructors' interest is in constructor points. Those two things work against each other when it comes to establishing rules that allow inventive solutions but promotes wheel-to-wheel action.
Back then FIA was super stupid to change rules even before the car had chance to race. I think thats what ruined Classic Team Lotus
With the Lotus 88 they had the right to ban it, since the outside chassis did move to adjust its height. As for why the original Team Lotus died, they just stopped being a competitive team. They lost the Honda engines for 1989, and from there, the team just became less and less competitive, despite having a young Mika Hakkinen in their line up for 1991 and 92. Hell in their last season in 94 they scored no points despite getting engines from Mugen-Honda.
"The risk of ground effect causing cars to take off was high..."
*shows a low speed wheel to wheel contact caused flight that ground effect would have nothing to do with*
Propaganda video at their best
Bro, I was just watching that clip when I read your comment XD
But ground effect do cause cars to take off, ask Mark Webber about it he is an expert of making cars fly
@@sikness1924 No, lack of ground effect makes cars take off.
Brum Racing THE PURPOSE OF GROUND EFFECT SKIRTS IS TO KEEP THE VEHICLE-SAY IT WITH ME-
ON THE GROUND.
So basically, F1 is constantly ruined by crybaby teams who can’t figure things out for themselves.
This could be said of any motorsport series, really. Any innovation that might upset the inverted pyramid of rich teams staying on top while spending as little as possible usually dies on the vine before it can be fully developed.
Or by fia not banning something due to the fact that they love the team
Ferrari
Hammond The Destroyer. Yes. Ferrari
Yup, just like what happened to chapparal 2j
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar; you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."
-Tyrion Lannister.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner for best quote ever
It's so fun seeing different teams come up with wacky solutions. Wish it was still like that today!
Team: *makes a super innovated F1 car*
FIA: *So, you’ve chosen banishment?*
fia: "these side wings are affecting driver vision and will be banned" also fia "let's put a bar in the center of the drivers vision"
@GamerFrancis TV I agree the halo is safe (albeit ugly), I just don't think the side wings were unsafe. heck, they banned bmw sauber's twin towers for the same 'obstructed visibility' reason, even though drivers didn't mind them any more than they mind the halo. just feels hypocritical of them, like visibility is the excuse they pull out of their hat when they don't like a creative solution.
@@Benlucky13 And there was a clip of one of the wings being ripped off in the pit lane. Not exactly very safe.
So there was reason to ban it
The end
For now....
I want all these innovations (or as many as possible) to be on one car, just to see how much faster it could go round various tracks!
Check can am racing, especially in the 70s
Formula 1: we promote innovation, but if it's too good, it's illegal.
F1 teams: *make good innovations*
FIA: We don't do that here.
Unless you pay of course ;)
I like 🤣 that Black Panther brought your here. I wish 1k+ likes upon you brother. May you be truly blessed
@@wilton999 It's a meme that was created because of Black Panther.
So you take all ten of these innovations and combine them into one care and you get:
God Mode.
Tyrrell's lead shot trick is kind of pushing it from "cheeky" to "cheating"...
7:06 that sound brings back so many memories. What a noise.
teams: *decide to make an interesting innovation to gain an upper hand*
FIA: *_IM GONNA STOP YOU RIGHT THERE_*
The FiA is why Formula 1 is struggling to be interesting anymore
Except most of these innovations were dangerous and/or impractical.
For example, the skirts contributed to the down force so much that if it were to break the cars will suddenly lose a lot of grip & downfoce with the high probability of causing a crash.
Another example is the weighted front wing. Weight is so important that eventually the teams would have probably removed it even if it wasn't banned
@@Akniy What are you even saying? The front wing is the most important aero element in the car because it is what dictates the flow of the rest of the whole car aerodynamics. If by dampening the vibrations you get a more stable front wing, you can tune it more precisely to move airflow and vortices to wherever you want, hence improving the performance of the car as a whole. More so when you have less downforce because you're running on a kerb at mid speed while cornering.
@@skwisgaarskwigelf331 majority of down force comes from the floor.
"French Idiot Association" as I call it
"f1 is not interesting anymore" yet these people keep watching latest f1 video, kinda like the ex who keep stalking lol
FIA: "We encourage teams to innovate and invent new technology."
Engineers: **makes innovative new technology**
FIA: "But not like that."
"Whilst not technically illegal it was banned" applies to almost all of this.
But clearly illegal cars, they're fine. Hi 94 Benetton.
So Schumacher Bad?
@@Jimmy-lm2eg The legality of the car is the responsiblity of the TEAM. NOT the DRIVER.
@@FormulaTurismo Ok then Schumacher In Ferrari good lol.
@@Jimmy-lm2eg You have to remember that the only car with TC and Launch Control was the Schumacher's one.
If you want more views, just make a Top 10 of Kimi doing anything every week and we still gonna watch it.
Son: can i play f1 2019 with my new driving wheel?
Mom: ok
FIA: wait a minute boy
Chiptuneer Cheeky bugga
A random team: (creates an innovation that greatly enhances the car's performance)
FiA: "It is... acceptable"
That random team: (wins once with the car)
FiA: *Excuse me what the fu-"*
The 6 wheel cars are for sure some of my favorite outside of the box designs in motorsports. It's up there with the stuff they were doing in can-am and group b.
"The Fan Car"
Lewis Hamilton want to know your location
Edit: wow thx for 1k likes !
Come on, it's not like if it was called the "We have the best fans here car" :p
@@Nico-9138 What about the Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 W10 e Power Get In There Lewis turbo hybrid
Mostly an F1 fan what about the Mercedes W09 Eq ‘Ferrari has a better car than us so let’s bitch to the FIA and let them help us win’ Power plus
moron.
The W11 isn’t gonna have an engine. It’s just gonna be the fans running on a hamster wheel to power the car
"always part of F1s identity"? you mean banning good ideas? Shame on FIA
The f-duct may have been banned, but its effect of stalling airflow over the rear wing to reduce drag was the inspiration behind the DRS system added the following year.
My thoughts in the innovations
X-Wings: even though effective, it was fragile and ugly. I dont think banning them was fair since it was from recycled wings but i dont mind it.
Mass damper: actually pissed this got banned. No reason to except costs but cmon it was just a weight
Nose cam: again dint get why FUA banned them unless it was barely visible
F-duct: i get why this is banned. Driving one hand + added costs. Whats next driving with no hands down the straight lmao
Rear brake: like the mass damper
Lotus 88: mate this has to be expensive stuff. I mean creating 2 chassis for 1 car. I dont get why people want this unbanned but at the same time supports cost caps
Double diff: again i dont get the fuss because it already brought Brawn 2 championships before it got banned. Sure it should've continued to 2010 but by then everyone would've had it and it would be equal again
Water cooled brakes: this was genuinely cheating. Rules are there for a reason. If everyone ran underwheight cars then why do we even need the minimum weight rule, glad it was banned
6 wheel: costs? I guess? This was a hit or miss innovation so idk
Fan car: plot twist FIA didnt ban it, Ecclestone decided to not race it anymore because he didnt want snaller teams getting upset. Regardless i dont think this should be banned. This was just jealousy from others
The rear brake was really clever, but one could argue that operating three pedals could lead to mistakes, so there would be a safety issue. But at the same time, these are the best drivers in the world, i think they are abled to manage it, so it would be something to discuss. The 6-wheeler I would have banned myself, because a) it looks strange (bad reason I know) and b) regarding how pit stops have developed over the years until today, there would be even more people standing around the car, so again safety issues. And the fan car wouldn't stay long, because this somehow defeats the thing about aerodynamik developement. The downforce should in my opinion be made by redirecting the air flow around the car, not by actively sucking or blowing the air around.
About the rest I totally agree with you, and I am really sad about the mass damper. That one was really genius.
Cubes I believe the six wheel actually got away with custom super sticky rubber on the small tires too right?
Rear brake collides with the rule that states that brake must be operated by one device only (to avoid automated selective braking)
Lotus 88 was one of the safest car along with the mclaren, because of the composite monocoque for the drivers in plain carbon fiber.
The water cooled brakes themselves weren't the problem, it was that the team wasn't using it and dumping the water before the race to drop the weight.
As for the rear brake pedal, operating three pedals is not more difficult. Manual cars anyone?
As for the aero things, anything that increases downforce means the drivers can go faster while being safer. As long as it doesn't have to be manually actuated (like the f duct) banning it is stupid. The X wings could have stayed. While ugly it wasn't their existence that was a problem, it was their placement. Keep them legal and order that they can't block the driver's view.
I get banning both the 6 wheelers and double chassis designs on cost reasons. Not that F1 is a cheap sport.
Banning the camera placement was stupid too. Having it inside of a non structural portion of the car and covered by a clear lens improves aero. The problem was, again, the placement. The actual spot the put it blocked too much of the camera angle.
This video is basically how the FIA destroyed F1
They still have a chance to fix things if next season they stop being Mercedes slaves!
@@cinegraphics and ferrari's slave too
@@ashray0611 You're living in the far past. That was 20 years ago. Since 2014 FIA is basically a Mercedes bitch.
@@cinegraphics Fia is not anyones bitch, why would they do that? Mercs are not guilty they started developing 2014 half decade before their rivals. and Fia can't just throw those engines now out, because they are already the cars very core. if they just ban 'em now it'll force teams to build the whole new cars, rebuild factories and etc. imagine the costs. in the time when F1 so desperately tries to lower it. plus ecology which is the reason they brought them in the first place. so considering that Mercs started developing those hybrid engines even before coming to f1, it is no wonder they nailed 2014. and people like you just hate mercedes for being the best. im not a Mercs fan too and i'm tired as well of the Mercedes dominance. but what they've got is deserved and i accept it. besides, F1 tried to stop 'em in 2017 already, which is by the way only 3 years after the darkness rising, compared to early 2000 when the rule changes to kill Ferrari came only 5 years later. so in 2017 they brought those aero in hope to bring the importance of engines down. but Mercs again showed their brains, and although Ferrari and Red Bull stepped very close, thanks to those rule changes, they still domehow saved the ability to fight for the championship. so to conclude Fia and F1 are trying to stop Mercedes but they can't just violate their own rules to stop them. with those 2022 rule changes though it will be their second attempt. doubt any team in history survived even Fia's first attack. so you have to understand that Fia never backs anyone, their main target is always to increase popularity of the F1 and thus make more money from it, and the dominance of a one team hardly helps it.
@@bosshard64 are you on drugs? FIA has chosen the type of engine EXACTLY by the specs that Mercedes already had. They could have chosen something else, but FIA chooses Mercedes type of engine, against all other teams. Sure they can throw those engines out. Same as they introduced them, they could equally as easily outlaw them. And bring back V10 engines, with the sound that audience likes. Because racing should be about audience. And NOT rigging everything to make a big commercial for Mercedes. I don't wanna watch a Mercedes commercial, I wanna watch honest racing. I don't hate Mercedes, I hate injustice. They could as well take Tesla into competition and then one day just switch to electric motors. And guess what, Tesla and similar companies would beat the crap out of Mercedes and everyone else. Maybe the next world champ would be Alexander Albon driving for Rimac Concept X Racing. Would that be a honest twist in the story? Nope. That would be plain corruption and cheating. Just like it is now.
Mercedes didn't show their "brains". Other teams came up with clever innovations too. But FIA banned them. While they allowed almost all innovations by Mercedes, even if the other teams were complaining. FIA just doesn't care about the audience, or other teams, they are Mercedes bitch. There was never such a dominant car in the recent history of F1, for such a long time. This is just perversion. I bet that each steward gets a new Mercedes every year, "for no reason at all". No wonder that Safety Car is also a Mercedes. They should rename F1 into "Mercedes racing series" so that people know what it's really about.
Such a weird sport where everything is just banned.
FIA:"is that creativity I smell"
Car designer: Maybe innovation?
FIA: So you have chosen death.
Imagine having a F1 car with all these innovations combined. They should at least build 1 F1 car with those functions
That shit would be able to park on walls
WTF1 did a thought exercise very similar to what you propose, if I recall.
@@NicholasStrand If I recall Gran Turismo/Red Bull did the same with their X2014 fan car. Theoretically it was possible to build but would be almost impossible to drive due to the g-forces it was capable of.
@@NicholasStrand yes you are correct. They had an episode about it
Where is the William auto-leveling system on this list? That DOMINATED
the rear break pedal thing is nuts, for Mikka to beable to adjust to having two break pedals and win a race is amazing in its self.
„Merzedes“ : we have this DAS , makes us real fast
„FIA“ : Yes, good, win this year championship, next year we ban it 🤠
"It's been a whole less than a year since you've won a championship, and we aspire to parity. We only want you winning the championship no less than 6 times in a row."
FIA failed to stop Mercedes for 7 years
I could understand if any other team than redbull or ferrari complained and they banned it. but it was those two, with equivalent budget, that complained first, and they knew what merc was doing beforehand, and did not bother to create a similar contraption.
@@bluevayero7269 well with or without das Mercedes wouldve still won.Maybe max would have second place in the WDC but they would've still won the constructors
Ferrari in the 2000s: dominating
FIA: Stop doing it please
Mercedes: *dominating literally every race with no chance of other teams winning*
FIA: ok
The NEEEOWW guy
-USGP 2018
Also Monaco and Germany 2019
@@toma6068 germany?
@@RobertDoornbosF1 On the podium after the champagne celebrations
@@toma6068 do you have a video? I'd like to hear it
@@RobertDoornbosF1 It's literally only for a second, about 3m 33 secs in ua-cam.com/video/Pt2pPCOOjCU/v-deo.html
Ferrari 2018: let's attach the mirrors at halos for drivers comfort
FIA: u won't do it next year
That Halos is the main reasons why Todays F1 SUCKS.
It wasn’t for comfort but for aerodynamical reasons
@@nasseralkhelaifi1853 nah
first reason why mirror attached on halo because driver comfort first then everybody complaining it because winglet and mirror instead installed at the halo
so yeah, that also counted as taking aero advantage too from winglet at halo
@@Mprince-hg6vu why is halo bad? I thought it was safe? I like it
@@Mprince-hg6vu well without the halo Alex peroni probably died in monza
The entire original turbo era could make this list. There was so much crazy tech in those cars. Active suspensions, blown exhausts, rocket fuel, and some even experimented with nitrous.
Engineers: So I had this innovation...
FIA: Bring forth the holy ban hammer
Yup
@@AIM7_sparrow torilla tavataan
the tuned mass damper was amazing... let everyone have the same one, problem solved.
Giving everyone the same regulation approved mass damper would hurt innovation, since it would effectively lock in the vibration behavior of the car.
So what was the excuse for banning the “tuned mass damper” it’s not even remotely dangerous
It’s a great idea!
Exactly if anything it probably made it more stable
"im hanging like a cow"
@@KnockKnockNeo except the rulebook didnt say no. Remember the part of the video that said "WITH FIA PERMISSION they fitted the system to the rear of the car aswell".
Imma take a wild guess that Ferrari complained and threatened to leave the sport ?
"Clever and cheeky solutions have come and gone through the years, but they'll always be part of Formula 1's identity".
Me: Boy, do I ever hope so.