EXACTLY! Look, if you want a Marvel Legends "Venom" or whatever that bad for whatever reason. It's YOUR money. And I'm not gonna "cape" for these big box toy companies. That might be getting hit from bootleggers. I just KNOW that if scalppers and reseller are whoever is sailing off their figs. They're NOT (more than likely) gonna tell you that it's a BOOTLEG.
The KO looks incredible. I also notice the hands look a bit smaller than the original. Looks a bit better proportion wise to me. I’m definitely gonna pick him up soon! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Some people buy bootlegs to make customs since 1.the figure line is discontinued 2.the companie won't reralease the whole wave of figures 3.we're broke 4.we don't want to customize rare figures 5.they don't want to customize expensive figures Well im a fnaf collector and customizer and found a Chinese bootleg set of wave 2 and they aren't half bad funko ain't gonna reralease most of the original wave so these are better alternatives
Totally with you! There will always be a rotten apple in the basket! Someday they will realize they have been wasting their own energy and time hating unnecessarily and trying to ruin others' happiness... they will realize that the essential is to not care about others views and to enjoy one's passion. As long as it makes you happy, that's what matters like you said! If someone's happiness is annoying you, especially that they aren't doing anything wrong but genuinely enjoying the hobby, then that person(hater) has a serious problem! In my own language I always say 'Saken so yen', this means 'to each their own happiness/hobbies'. The purpose of life is to love, peace and happiness! Hope dem haters find it too before its too late and that they mind their own business! Cheers bro!
Very well put man. I’m happy to hear you agree! Along with a few many others it seems. I love the positive feedback! That is totally the purpose of life! It is so much more fulfilling to be as positive as you can, as often as you’re able. Love, peace, and happiness is essential to all of us. That’s cool man. ‘Saken so yen’. That’s something to remember amongst us Collectors. Instead of judging, we should implore each others different styles and ideas of collecting. Thank you for watching and commenting!
With you 100%. I’ve picked up quite a few KOs from AliExpress….& they’ve all been pretty damn good. Certain folks gotta calm the f down. For those late to collecting, & the secondary market what it is, bootleg figures provide a suitable alternative to paying outrageous prices.
They are pretty damn good! It just makes zero sense to me why people get so uptight about KOs. It’s super weird to me honestly. Thanks for watching & commenting jbatts23!
The issue with bootleg figures is that if they're done very well or near perfect then they will be bought and resold by others who will pass them off as authentic. Those bootleg may even cost you as much as the OG. The ones that are low cost may also be poorly done so then it feels like a waste. Either way, my main point would be that they can be passed off as authentic to collectors who aren't aware of the difference. This mainly is for resellers doing this as mentioned earlier.
I dont see anything wrong with a bootleg if the item is no longer retailing, essentially the same quality as the real thing and obviously states it is not an official product.
I always buy authentic figures when I can find them for retail price or on sale, however once the price goes up in price I start looking at kos. I have bought several over the years and mostly they're just as good as the original.
@@r.davidhill7639 I’m with ya man. All the way. A lot of snobby collectors just need to take the dive and they’d realize they’re not all that bad. Thanks for your input though dude. I appreciate ya watching and commenting.
Vintage Star Wars collectors are really nuts about this stuff,. Repro accessories drive some nerds crazy. To me, if collecting becomes about the value of tiny pieces of plastic that are 50 years old, vs virtually identical ones that are just a few years old... it's gone too far. It's an obsession.
Very well written, & a very valid point. If it’s at that point (which to some people it is) it’s just too much. What about over the years when accessories get lost from kids, pets, moving, ect? Hasbro or kenner isn’t releasing accessory packs. What if a lightsaber breaks? A blaster is lost? As long as it’s not being passed off as some 83 Kenner accessory, who cares? Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’m down for the poor man’s version. The people saying that are the losers trying to scalp you the real version and they are mad you aren’t gonna fill there pockets.
I appreciate this so much man. Im into toy photography and i definitely dont want to buy figures just to keep them in box. Haven't bought anything from ali express but the price looks way better than the aftermarket. Thank you for speaking on this
100% man. All of us collectors should be looking out for each other and helping to improve and thrive in our displays and collecting. I’m glad you enjoyed the video dude. Thanks for checking it out . 🙏🙏
Amen brother! I agree with everything you said! I'd like to add to it. I'm in the construction business and I make GOOD money at it. But I'm out in 100 degree and -30 degree weather no matter what is going on that day. I work very hard for my money but at the end of the day, when I get paid, I respect my money and myself too much to part with it easily. I also keep my priorities in line. It's more important that my bills are paid, the kids have good clothes and shoes to wear, there's food on the table, all repairs around the house are done, and that my wife is happy and her needs are met. The last thing on my list is a silly action figure or my collection. People who put their collection first have had it too easy and they need to re-think their priorities and get a real life. There's nothing wrong with collecting and having fun, but don't lose your perspective or priorities. There are more important things in life then action figures. I have a lot of respect for someone who spends less on their collection, because they have more important things to spend their money on. It's not that they don't have the money, it's because they have priorities. Peace!
For sure man! Those are all things that come first! You look after yourself and your own, then whatever is left you can choose to splurge or treat yourself. Material items can be bought or given. But love and respect from your family is earned, and no one can take that away from you. Sounds like you have things in order man. I think you need to go buy yourself a figure!!! lol. Thanks for watching Donald. I appreciate your support my guy!
The support is much appreciated man! Thank you!! Welcome to my channel! I hope you enjoy some of my other content. I’m glad you stumbled across my channel dude.
Lately I been loving knock offs bc I been doing more custom figures. It sticks to pay full price on figures you are gonna essentially break and modify. It's better than buying custom fodder sometimes as you know what to expect and know that joints are in good condition, for the most part. I also have been finding knockoffs that seem better than the original. I don't get the hate either.
I find it funny how knock off get such a bad rap and then you look up the value of knock offs and some vintage ones actually cost more than the original toy sometimes...I also customize and create figures and collect knock offs because yes i am one of those poor folks out there.....
It’s comical to be honest lol. The margin of difference is astonishing sometimes with certain figures. Thanks for checking out my video. 🙏🙏 also appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
In theory, I oppose the concept of bootlegs or stolen IP, but given the market, with it's scalpers, rare retailer exclusives, bad distribution, or ridiculous shipping costs on eBay, if I can't get an authentic release at a reasonable price, then I will happily fill the hole in my collection with a bootleg.
@@BiggestDawgEver in theory it feels gross. But then what the companies are slacking on: scalpers (in the sense that people are making 3-5 times maybe more by selling these older figures that whatever IP could be banking sales in on), distribution, shipping prices, exclusives even. It’s an untapped market that any company (with the internet and instant access most of us have) should be aware about and have some part of the marketing team understand what these figures they refuse to rerelease from older waves and such are selling on the aftermarket for insanely inflated prices. If the company is gonna kick rocks and lose out on money by not giving faithful, loyal, or even causal collectors what they need and want for their display. Some of us are gonna do what we gotta do to fill that section of our collection, squad, or team pit. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’ll pay for quality. If the knockoff is super close in quality to the authentic, then I’ll get the knockoff. But more than likely, authentic ones are just better
For the most part they are. I can’t disagree with you on that. Ofcourse if I could buy the authentic version for a decent price (& or retail or close to retail at least) over the KO I totally would prefer the legit thing. But overall the authentic versions are the way to go. But in cases such as the Venom figure, it’s just hard to beat. For figures that are hard to come by or are just ridiculously overpriced.
One thing is paying a hefty premium because the figure is out of production for a while vs. paying said premium to the dang resellers. Don’t feel bad paying a bootleg company over a hoarder tbh.
@@gipht1 exactly. That’s very well said/written. It’s the IP that is losing out on the money, and 9/10 it’s their fault. A corporation should be able to see what left figs are selling for and realize THEY are the ones losing out on money (and their collectors).
Whoa that’s not good! I know a lot of people were testing them for a while and none turned up postive. Maybe a bad batch got through or something? That’s definitely alarming. I appreciate your input though! That’s definitely something that should be brought up when on this sort of topic. Thanks for watching!
@@AllThingsAnxiety ohhhh I gotcha. I think over the past few years they’ve done away with that. I suggest maybe looking again if you’ve been thinking about it. Very nice figs.
Preach! I think knock offs just get a bad rep because the sometimes inferior paint job or what I initially thought is the item is just gonna fall apart or break easily. I was wrong about that and own few knock offs today, some of them I’m more than happy to finally own a version of a figure I wanted and beats the aftermarket or scalper prices today. I had a knock off of Raphael from the movies and I had to ask around if it was legit or not. I ended up selling it after a while and the new owner painted it up, and it looks awesome. My only issue with them is when the seller tries to pass it off as the real thing in the listing (using the promotional photos, etc) and you get the item in person. I think it’s a nice alternative and have never felt the need to shame someone for buying a knock off. My guess is they think someone a person enjoying a bootleg somehow devalues their version a bit. Idk. We’re talking about a community that is almost always in a dick measuring contest and trying to one up the other. Like, obviously they’re not all bad but the toxic encounters tend to stick out more than the pleasant ones sometimes.
Funny you mention that, iv been dying that KO and a couple versions of the hulk. That juggernaut looks freakin sick. It’s been in my cart for about 3 weeks now. I think your comment is the thing that gonna make me pull the trigger! I need him for my X-men display! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Bad quality products using character likenesses and engineering that's not theirs. That's the problem. They're making money off stuff that others made and own without the rights or permission in lower quality. I'd rather support the ones that actually earned money.
That’s a fair reason. I can’t knock you for that at all. But in most cases people are buying KOs of figures that are either hard to come by or way too high on the aftermarket. When a figure is listed for double even triple the price it retails for, that’s not going to the IP anyways. It’s going into some third party sellers pocket. So either way the company you want to support is losing out on money. That just comes down to the brand you collect and rather or not they rerelease a certain rare or expensive figure in a certain wave. One example is Star Wars TBS. There are so many figures getting “refreshes” (just a rerelease on the same packaging) that are literally over double what they detailed for. Captain Rex is basically impossible to come by if you don’t spend at least 80- 150 bucks. Even more on some listings iv seen. Then there’s Bossk, hera, Sabine, hunter, crosshair, empower palpatine with his throne, ect. There’s even more than that, that’s just a small list. All of those figures I just listed were all INSANELY priced in the aftermarket. When someone has decided to bite the bullet and buy one of those figures, Hasbro doesn’t get that money. It’s going to the third party seller. So in essence by Hasbro not deciding to give these figures a “refresh”, they’ve been losing out on all that money. Money that collectors spent with OTHER companies because Hasbro didn’t have these figures available. So instead of those 6 years where those figures were “out of production” people have been spending DOUBLE just to get these characters on their shelf. That should be where the marketing team of sed company does research to find out what is selling and what collectors want. None of us want to spend MORE money than what it actually sells for, we just do it because there’s no other way to get that figure from the brand you want to support. Let’s just say last year 100 collectors bought captain Rex for their collection. They each spent 100 bucks a piece (that’s on the lower end for that figure too) that’s 10,000 dollars out of collectors pockets that we didn’t get to spend with the actual IP. If hasbro had that figure it would be 25-27 bucks depending on where you buy it. But IF Hasbro had that figure they would have made that money (2500 bucks if all 100 collectors bought from the actual brand. But because this figure is so scarce, collectors are just taking the plunge because they want sed figure/character in their collection. I think that’s the majority of people buying bootlegs. I doubt many people are going to buy a bootleg of a figure that’s readily available. MOST of not all the time, people are buying KOs for one of two reasons (this doesn’t include scummy scalpers who try and pass of something fake as real). One is that figure is way too expensive over retail, or that figure is rare and it’s hard to come by (or it’s just not in production anymore). But I understand what you’re saying. If I have the choice I’d always rather buy the authentic real thing. But in some cases that’s just not possible. Another example is symbiote Spider-Man. He’s 50 plus dollars on the aftermarket on average. When someone buys that figure it’s not going to Marvel Legends. It’s going to the seller who has it listed. So either way sometimes even if you buy the authentic product it’s not even supporting the line you collect. It’s just supporting the seller you bought it from.
I'm with you 100%. I've got no problems with bootlegs/knock-off as long as it's clear that's what it is and not an attempt to trick you into thinking it's the real deal... I even got a set of bootleg/knock-off TMNT figures like the ones you showed in this video. They're pretty decent (especially considering the price I paid for them). Would have preferred to get the genuine articles, but not at the kind of prices that they're going for on the after-market. Hopefully Neca does a re-release of those movie turtles at some point as they're my second favourite design for TMNT.
Exactly. As long as there’s no deception going on between seller and consumer, it’s the best way to get something your after without emptying your wallet. Hell yea that’s cool. They’re definitely not Neca quality. But like you said, for the price point you can’t beat it. Well I guess if we had the legit neca versions, you could beat it lol. But you know what I mean. And I feel ya. Definitely my top three favorite interpretations of the turtles. I really love the 2003 animated turtles. That whole series was just so awesome and I like the style of animation and how they were drawn. Thanks for watching and commenting packrat!
Personally collect mostly official figures but for some like the Medicos Super Action Statue Jojo's Bizarre Adventure figures, they are just too expensive for me to get in a legitimate way. As long as there are good official versions out there I will keep getting them but when they no longer are being sold or get too expensive I look for either a second hand one or a bootleg.
Definitely an appropriate mentality to have for collecting. I love action figures but I just don’t see the point in paying 60-100 bucks (or much more in certain cases) for a figure that retails at 25-35 bucks. Now for certain figures like Neca or hot toys, I totally understand paying a premium price for stuff like that. But I’m just trying to have cool stuff on the shelf. Obviously quality is important, but there’s no need to empty your wallet unnecessarily. If you want it, buy it. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it. It’s that simple. Thanks for watching and commenting Philly!
I feel like if you're an in box collector then you almost have to get official but if you're an out of box collector like myself then do what you want and save whatever money you possibly can to buy more figures lol
At the end of the day, there's only one true reason for why people buy bootlegs/KOs/unlicensed 3rd party; MONEY. People have other stuff to deal with outside of their passions and hobbies. The same case applies to collectors, so people have to understand that not everyone has the money for everything. Not to mention that not everything official is worth their asking price, be it cuz of quality control or just what companies charge for what little stuff comes in the box. Looking at you, Hasbro. Hasbro can't keep using "the economy" as an excuse with their clearly overpriced products anymore.
Hey man you got back to me last video- ninja turtles. Really into your channel now!! Not gonna lie I kinda wanna get into bootlegs too cheaper I just haven’t had any yet so hope I can snag some sweet ones like you got
@@timbo1992 I’m glad you’re enjoying the content man! I appreciate you coming back to Check out another one of my videos! I say take the chance man. A lot of other collectors (including myself now) have been having good luck with KOs. Over the years they are increasing in quality. Give AliExpress a look or even look on Walmart for those bootleg turtles. There’s a pretty overwhelming option of KO opinions out there now for many different lines and IPs. Once again, thank you for watching!
@@TheStonedMandalorian of course man! Great content!! I didn’t see any videos of yours for Gi Joe classifieds. But if you haven’t jumped on that line pick them up!! I highly recommend. Kinda what brought me to collecting hah I went from none to 14 quick!! Hah like a kid again searching for them all
@@timbo1992 yea I actually don’t collect any classified figures. Just never really got into them as a kid. But I do see some that are pretty dope figures! I totally feel ya man! 😂😂 but hey that’s what makes it fun! Takes you back to simpler times with something nostalgic like toys.
Sadly most Social media sites are ruled with nasty vile negative comments. The biggest issue is they can do it behind a computer with no repercussioons. I am and have been a collector for several years. I love Marvel Legends and retro, along with NECA. I get hate from people because I keep all my figures in the package unopened...unless due to the window removal for a short time, I did open to make sure nothing was missing or swapped. The only figures I really have opened are the BAF figs that I wanted to have the BAF as a figure itself. To each their own, do what makes you happy. I also wait, and wait for clearance and peg warmers. SO many times a fig becomes a peg warmed and years later it becomes a huge want. DO what is right for you. As long as your happy, and not breaking the nank...DO YOU!!!! Great vid, glad I came across it.
Exactly man! No need for collectors to hate on other collectors for petty stuff like such. Just a total waste of energy and time. Yea there’s definitely a lot of keyboard warriors out there who dont think twice about spewing hate behind a screen. It’s a sad existence honestly. Thanks for the support! I appreciate the kind words! I’m glad you came across it as well, and enjoyed it.
Bought a couple of bootleg figures. They are old figures and discontinued. They are way overpriced in retail. And just got them and they are very decent. Use them for Toy photography and with good ligting and some retouching. They look fantastic.
@@robcuen1 that’s awesome! I’m glad you were able to snag them! There’s just no need to pay a unnecessary (for some of us, I’m not gonna rag on someone for spending extra for something they REALLY want) price for something that should be a simple joy. I’m glad you got some figgies you’ve been wanting for your photos. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You buy the plastic you want!! Now I'm all riled up... I gotta do something with all this energy... I'm gonna go buy more toys too, lol. Great vid Dude... saw your name and HAD to see what yer about. I'm not disappointed.
That’s right! You buy all the plastic…intill you’re slightly in debt….realize you have a problem….try to tame yourself….its an endless cycle!! Go buy something awesome dude! Those are kind words! Thanks dude! I’m really glad you stumbled across my channel. And I’m glad I didn’t disappoint! Thank you for subbing! And for watching and commenting! I appreciate ya!
Totally. Iv had a few people in the comments reference the transformer KOs, and everyone seemed very satisfied with them. It definitely depends on what you’re after. Like you said, some are fantastic! Then some are shit. lol. Thanks for watching and commenting Nemesis Prime.
Hasbro and Mattel make and import these figures from China to sell in the US. The only big difference I really see is that the KO doesn't have the official licensed company logo. Overall, it's all the same. I have some KOs, and it works for me
@TheStonedMandalorian I actually have a few KO transformers and have another on the way, but to me, they're getting better especially w the die-cast parts
@@Csthedirector damn. For the KO to have die cast pieces is pretty freakin dope! From some of the research iv done, over the years some of the bootleg Marvel Legends continue to get better and better. When it gets to the point where the knockoffs are so good the only way you can tell is by REALLY inspecting the whole figure. I’d say that’s pretty damn good. If it’s being mistaken for the real thing and the quality is damn near identical, you just can’t beat that.
lol that’s funny! And heck yea! Another defender for the underrated bootlegs! That’s awesome! I’m glad it turned out to be a good but! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks Karcamo! I appreciate you subbing. I also thank you for watching and commenting! Means a lot to me! I hope you enjoy my older and newer content to come!
@@ArachnidYouth definitely! I know there are some bad ones out there. But there are also so many collectors with positive experiences as well. But bashing another person for what they bought with their own money is just such a wild concept. Thanks for watching and commenting Arachnid!
The problem with knock offs is when you buy them thinking there to real deal, i have have no issues with them if you know there not original there great for spare parts and accessories just dont buy fake neca predators big mistake 🤣🤦🏻♂️ also its nice to be able to have something you probably couldn't have in your collection for half the price. Nice video dude 👊
100% dude. Definitely don’t want to endorse scummy behavior and tactics. That’s true too. Extra parts for kitbashing and customs in general. Lol thanks for the warning on predator. Love the original film and some of the other films. Definitely would be a cool one to own. That’s the whole reason why some people resort to bootlegs. Sometimes it may be the only way to get a certain character. It sucks to say but it’s true in many cases. Thank you Jimbo! I appreciate that man. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the support!
It’s really easy why. First it drives the prices down for the real item ( see the original Goku Black for example). And then it doesn’t give the IP any money to support it. And some KO are very expensive and they shouldn’t be ( KONG for example, super expensive and very poor quality control). I don’t mind KO, some are even better for the faces like Tonsenarttoys. But they should be a lot cheaper since they don’t pay for the DBZ license.
That’s an interesting take. As far as paying MORE for a KO, that doesn’t make sense to me. And if it is more expensive than the authentic version I wouldn’t make the purchase. The whole point of a KO is to be cheaper. Like you said, it’s not like they’re paying for licensing or anything. So they should be dramatically cheaper for that reason. I don’t know much about DBZ knock offs but there is never a reason to pay more for the fake version. That’s wild. That all comes down to the collectors judgement and preference. To me it doesn’t make sense to buy a ko for something that is readily available. I don’t know how rare or not rare this goku black figure your talking about. But I know he’s an essential dbz character and probably the most populist anime character of all time. The only way it hurts an IP is if they don’t have it available or don’t plan to do a rerelease of that figure. That’s what actually drives the market price up. People buying KOs and spending more on the fake versions can definitely hurt an IP. But then you could wonder about how well their marketing & distribution is through whatever company is producing sed figures. In some cases KOs can drive prices up. Looks at the Neca tmnt turtles for instance. They were hard to come by for years got rereleased then became scarce again. Then other people started producing KOs of that line, then that drives the price of the authentic ones up because they’re even harder to come by. Every line has its issues rather it be reuse (which is important), marketing, distribution, pricing, availability, ect. There’s even more than that I’m sure, stuff that I don’t even have a grasp on how it works exactly. But I’m the instance of what you’re talking about, it just comes down to good judgment and what you’re willing to spend. Or not spend on certain scenarios. I appreciate your input awesomereviews! Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@TheStonedMandalorianfor SH Figuarts/ DBZ the KO figures can cost double the price of a real one. For instance a real Goku SSJ 3 cost 60 bucks, but a KO from KONG costs around 150 bucks or more. It costs more because they use an updated mold ( that they took from SH Figuarts Son Gohan 3.0, whereas the original Goku SSJ 3 uses 2.0 mold) and different face plate. Or you have the Demoniacal Fit base Goku that cost double the price of the SH Figuarts original Goku. Same thing, they use an updated mold (3.0 vs 2.0) and to be fair it looks better than the original ( until SHF release a 3.0 version). But it cost double the price and that’s not good. You should take a look into it, the KO scene for DBZ figures is out of control 😂.
@@awesomereviews1561 DAAAAMN. That’s insane! I had no idea DBZ KOs were so outrageous price wise. That’s wild! Well I definitely can’t blame you for being resistant to those lol. That’s just insane.
Now the question is the boot leg toy for a kid to play with ? Is the boot leg toy for you to open & enjoy & play with ? Then yeah why not save some money & have fun. BUT if someone is going to resell it for a higher price later on & NOT mention it’s a boot leg then that’s NOT for the buyer
Totally! Shell yea! (Little tmnt humor) That’s the whole purpose of collecting. And just in general, that’s what action figures are for! Fun! Not to be horded and scalped. Thank you for watching and commenting!
hey!! whatsup, well in my opinion I find all of them pretty cool. I love them, because they can be a good option for people that dont have much money. Also i must say, sometimes i find very interesting some figures are like so well done that deserve my attention. And in other hand sometimes they are so bad done that i feel curious to have them too,. OFC I love more the original items or products, but in my heart there are always a place for bootlegs too
@@ALMACENRELOCO I definitely agree! Sometimes you don’t know how good or bad something is intill you check it out! I think most of us would prefer the original over a KO, but when it comes down to price sometimes it can be insanely high. There is nothing wrong with buying bootlegs. Thank you for your input and opinion! I appreciate you watching!
Not sure if Columbia is on your way down there or not, but there is an awesome comic shop called “Hero’s & Dragons”. Thousands of comics and hundreds of toys. Lots of black series and old school Kenner figures. Another cool place is called “LT Toys & Stuff”. Lots of cool stuff in that joint too!
I don’t know goose creek SUPER well. But Charleston is so awesome. Not totally sure where you coming from but depending which highway your on, Columbia may not be THAT far out the way for you.
I have a few figma bootlegs and they are nearly spot on to the legit versions aside from some minor differences and I love em. and as long as they let you know it's a bootleg then who cares. and many bootlegs have reviews so you can see if they're worth getting.
Hell yea buzzsaw. That’s dope! I think some people would be suprised just how close some KOs can be to the real thing. Also true. Just check the reviews or even try and look on UA-cam. With the community being like it is you know there’s bound to be others that are curious about the same things. Sometimes it just takes a little effort and research. Your opinion is spot on. Thanks for watching and commenting!
The resale Market really is shooting themselves in the foot most resellers are expecting way too much for their figures as a result things stay on the peg or things do not move on Amazon or Ebay nobody wants to get gouged and end up paying over what's something is worth
@@dgenergene4418 yep. 100%. All these collectors spending their cash on KOs because the corporations can’t put out a reissue of older sought after figures. They’re DEFINITELY losing out on money.
I just hate that nowadays everything has to be made in China. They say it is to keep the price low but actually it is only for higher profits. I don't have any Problems with well made KO's, because the Original figures are also made in China. I just bought a Predator Scout and Razor Claw Alien from Neca and tho the figures are looking soooo good and are original, both of them suffer from loose joints a lot which is just annyoing. I have 4 KO Clones which are absolutely great figures and one Figma Alien which was 20€ instead of 80ish and it is a decent build with great painting. Btw. I just got myself the Jabba the Hut figure together with a 40th anniversary Biba Fett for just 100€🤩
You’re exactly right Serious. There are quite a few collectors (like me and you) who have nothing but positive experiences with KOs and for the ones who have mixed feelings because the quality can have a wide range of being good or just trash. I think it’s really based on just doing your reasearch and not overspending. Ultimately it up to collector digression and judgement. OHHH HELL YEA!! Finally got jabba in your collection! That’s awesome my friend! You will not be disappointed! Such an awesome figure (more of a statue really lol. It does have arm and jaw articulation so I guess it still counts as a figure) and the paint on it is just spectacular. And the cool little hookah bar and salacious is just a BIG win for that pack. Congrats on the new addition! And as always, thank you for watching and commenting my friend. I appreciate ya!
The thing is, people are going to say “aww those are legit, those aren’t real” but hell I’m not going to pay for overpriced action figures. Some of these people make some accurate af knockoffs. The thing for me is, my shelf is stacked with a lot of nostalgia, for me! I can care less what someone else who didn’t spend MY money on MY collection. Rule of thumb though, is doing research on knockoffs you’re potentially going to purchase. I’m getting black series knockoffs right now but have seen numerous video reviews about them. If they review good, I get them because they are complete custom clone troopers. Which Hasbro hasn’t released yet.
PREACH!! Tell ‘em what it is jaygaming! I totally agree with you Jay. For example: the new 212th airborne clone trooper is pretty damn accurate and looks incredible! I literally just said the same thing in another comment. As you said it’s up to the collector to do the research and use their best judgment. A lot of knockoffs are very accurate. Another example is the regular phase 2 clone Jesse. That figure is practically identical to the Black Series 2020 clone body. Maybe slightly loose (for lack of a better term) but honestly not loose enough to where it has trouble standing or posing. In fact the articulation BECAUSE of the looseness has some insanely smooth articulation. I also stand by what you say about if a line has not produced a certain character or figure, your more inclined to buy it KO. But if that specific line DID have that character, most collectors would obviously more likely buy the authentic version. I’m in that category. If black series released a better version of Jesse or whatever other custom veils or AliExpress has, I would buy it. No hesitation. Some KOs are even better than the Original they’re trying to emulate. Thanks for watching and commenting Jay.
Support brother! I’ve bought some knock offs from Ebay before and you can’t even tell it blends in to the collection but also worse case scenario you gotta use a little super glue every now and again. Hey as long as the characters I love are represented on the shelf I’m ok with it
Hell yea man! I see nothing wrong with that! As long as the info is accurate and it’s not misleading product information, and your AWARE of what your buying, thats a sure way to get hard to come by/expensive figures. As long as the representation is accurate & there is no misinformation, being content and happy with your purchase is all that matters! I appreciate your input and opinion man.Thanks for watching and commenting Daniel!
@@ThaUltimateHunter for sure. There are definitely some out there that give the “bootleg” expectation stereotype. Just a ploy money grab. Super scummy. As long as they’re advertised as KOs and they’re not over retail price you can’t go wrong! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I've been getting KO masterpiece transformers for 2 years and change now. Honestly, that's all I really need to say, come to think of it. Clearly my track record speaks for my satisfaction. Also Takara Tomy absolutely gouge for sub-standard quality.
Probably because the critical dude is one of those guys trying to sell items on eBay for $50-60, and they don't want people to have cheaper alternatives.
If the shoe fits….👀👀 That’s who I picture is the majority of people who are real uptight about it. That or they spent a lot on an official version and they get butthurt cuz someone got something almost as good for a fraction of the price. Thanks for watching and commenting!
To paraphrase Robo, "at the end of the day..." it's your collection. I have no problem with bootlegs; as a collector of vintage Star Wars figures, I bought a repro Yak Face because I don't want to spend $100's on an original to sit behind glass in a Detolf. I just want a figure to look good in a display. Most people who rage against bootlegs and repros have been burned in the past and are raging out of personal animosity.
@@mrjones5025 I agree man. They got burned and or paid way too much. While some people get sour, some help others to assist in collectors not making the same mistakes they have. Or feeding a scalper for original or KO. That is the exact purpose of a KO. Not knocking anyone who wants to pay 100 bucks for a yakface vintage figure, all we ask is not to be judged for buying the non authentic version because we can’t afford (or just don’t want to spend that much money) on something that should be a simple pleasure. Thanks for watching and commenting! I enjoy hearing other perspectives and opinions.
@TheStonedMandalorian so I got Earthworm Jim in. As far as Paint goes it's right on the money. I don't have any other figures by primeium DNA so I can't judge pivots but the figure stands on tiny legs so I'm happy. The one negative is his blue strap was glued on and it's messy. So glues streaks on his chest and belt. But I could have just gotten a bad one. I got the head pack as well. Everything is A OK there.
Great topic, and I concur. Personally, I buy what interests me. Many official releases from hasbro black series don’t interest me and the figures I want (such as stormtroopers, clones or droid army builders for example) are impossible to find in my area. I buy high quality bootleg clones from sites such as aliexpress or third party sellers. As a customizer I use bootleg figures as the base figure to help defray the cost whenever possible. If people have a problem with bootleg figures the simple solution is not to buy them. It’s really that simple. The bootleg market supplies the consumer with that which can’t be bought at reasonable prices or which is not available. It’s a supply & demand scenario. I’ve learned after 51 years not to be bothered by the negativity that is spewed by others, perhaps it’s jealousy, maybe self-righteousness, or possibly motivated by self-interest but as Stoned Mando says- we work hard for our money. We should be ably to buy a bootleg toy if we want to and feel like we owe somebody an explanation as to why. Love your videos man-and hell yes, that Venom is awesome
Very well said/written Hyper. That’s another good point I didn’t bring up. Customizers! Especially if you’re into doing customs, buying the authentic name brand can be a bit pricey just to cover in paint anyways. Especially for someone starting out and is nervous of “messing” up their figures. Exactly! It is quite that simple! Just don’t buy them. I’m sure we could ramble on about all the issues some collectors have with fixating on petty minuscule things. The energy some people put into things they DONT like will never make sense to me. Thank you man. I am really stoked you dig them. Just trying to be honest and genuine. And man he is fantastic! I am super pleased with this figure and I am so psyched to have him in my shelf! Thanks for watching man.
I don't get the hate some have for knock offs. I don't pay attention to them. I collect Transformers and I love knock offs of them. Oversized, cheap, cheap plastic, strange colors and totally fun. I've heard of some TF collectors having dislike for certain TFs, not just knock off. Whatever. Buy what you want. Those TMNT look official. How much were they cause official NECA ones are so expensive. And at Walmart?! Dang. I've seen official toys with bad paint apps, stiff joints, etc.
Yea it’s a little strange. I’m not a big transformer guy but I gotta admit they look freakin siiick. And the ones that I got were 90 bucks for all 4 turtles. I forget how much it was with shipping but all in all they were all cheaper than 25 bucks per turtle. I was pretty impressed with them quality wise for the price. Obviously the legit Neca is probably INSANELY better, but I just felt like it was a good deal. There is some sloppy paint on them, some of the joints are a little loose, the accessories are a tiny bit lack luster, but once they’re on the shelf they look so dope. Compared to spending 100 plus bucks on a two pack with Mikey and Donny or Leo and Raph. I would definitely reccomend you checking them out at least.
My knockoff record is 1-1. I got the OG Mirage tmnt, and they're amazing, but I upgraded to the return to NYC Jim Lawson TMNT figures. I got Spider-man from homecoming, and he broke the moment I posed him.
@@JConner26 iv actually had a couple people mention the mirage tmnt KOs and how good they actually are. People who own the real ones even say it’s hard to tell. That sucks. Nothing more of a bummer than getting out a brand new fig and it breaks on you first thing out the box. Thanks for tuning in to the video!
when it comes to Star wars bootlegs, i am pretty put off by them, the only reason being because they cost the same or more than official figures. The entire point of bootlegs was to get a cheaper version for a dirt cheap price. Now i see clones on alliexpres for 25.99+ shipping. Then when youtubers make videos about the alliexpress clones and say they are close to the real thing, but most of the videos when youtubers pose them they pop apart and fall apart, but they still say positive things lol, some look like they have loose joints. The fact they are more expensive and more cheaply made, i cant bring myself to get them even though they make characters Hasbro has not officially made. I remember a while back wanting to get the 212 clone trooper from alliexpress but then saw the totaly was nearly 25, later i found the official ones at walgreens for 19.99. If the bootlegs were cheap then id be all for it, but the fact they are just expensive if not more expensive and not as durable as the official ones, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As for the marvel ones that are actually cheaper than official ones that have been sold out or are official are too expeisive then hell yea! id get em.
That is a fair assessment and opinion Nathan. If you paying the same amount for a bootleg as compared to the retail cost of the authentic version, there’s something up with that. That is the whole reason for getting a KO. Not only to get hard to find or expensive figures, but also to get them slightly cheaper. The Star Wars KOs from veils aren’t terrible but I understand where you’re coming from. I have clone trooper Jesse with the accurate helmet and paint and he is damn near identical to my other 2020 clones. The only difference I can tell (as you stated) some of the joints are a little loose. But the joints on mine were pretty tight overall and the paint was pretty decent too. I only paid 21 bucks for him with shipping, honestly I would have paid the 25 for him just to have that version of Jesse. But the other ones I see like the plain phase 2 or “non-canon” clones and they’re like 26 bucks, I’m kinda out right there too. If the price is the same and the figure is readily available, I’m definitely going the authentic route. And as far as ML goes; from some of the research iv done, a lot of collectors say the bootleg versions have been getting better and better over the years. Thank you for watching and commenting Nathan! I appreciate your input!
I know this may sound crazy, but donate plasma for your figure addiction. It can be $400 on straight figs and you don’t have to worry about breaking bank and you help those in need of it. Just saying. I started collecting ShFigs Naruto last month and now only need two figures minus 2024 release.
Ehh it’s. It’s not THAT crazy. lol but I understand why you say it is. That is definitely another option, and you are helping out others in the process. I know there’s limits on how often you can donate just because you have to give your body enough time to create more.
@@TheStonedMandalorian when you go to the center they give you those guidelines to follow. They won’t accept you more than twice a week. This method is for collectors who live check to check without wiggle room.
To me not a fan of the bootlegs, you get what you pay for, I bought a "figma" attack on titan, I thought I got a good deal until the joints,pegs just melted, broke off. the plastic was cheap, so $50 gone the figure I can't even use for extra parts. THERE IS NO WRONG WAY ON HOW YOU COLLECT.
Damn man that’s a bummer. Sucks you had a negative experience. Just for reference how much is that figure retail for? The authentic version? That last sentence is pure gold! That’s one of the main rules (if there were rules lol) of collecting! Thank you for watching and commenting my guy!
Bootlegs are great. I think it's easy to turn collecting into a rat race with other collectors. Also I imagine some collectors fear the value of what they have going down. I collect a lot of import bootlegs and even the more brittle ones I've been able to make work with a little modding. Venom looks great as he is!!!
Very well put bozzy! That’s where some collectors mess up with trykmy to collect for monetary value. It can definitely be worth it sometimes with certain lines. but for a line that produces figures in the 20-50 dollar range it’s just not the smartest way to go about it. If you want value or something to accrue or hold value over time, maybe look into hot toys or sideshow. This is supposed to be fun. And people like us will not allow some hater or haters to disrupt that joy.
@@bozzy7946 Il definitely have to check that out! I’m not familiar with what you’re talking about. But I’m always down to check out other figures and appreciate other lines.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yeah even bootlegs are still a business so its not cost effective or even woth it to bootleg everything, increasingly sellers have immediate access to factories and I would guess factories are selling directly
@@toomuchnewtoys yea that’s another good point. Sometimes these “bootlegs” can perhaps be original figures, they just happen to have more paint and package defects that makes them “non-sellable”. QC mistakes and defects happen even in original authentic lines from time to time. The way I see it is as long as a third party seller isn’t trying to pass a KO off as the real thing trying to sell it, I can’t blame them for it. If these corporate companies can’t take the time to see what figures have inflated on the aftermarket that’s on them. They are literally losing on on money because they don’t rerelease a wave or figure in a wave. And instead these third party bootleg sellers come in a fill that missing piece. Star Wars The Black Series is a good example of such. They have a lot of re-fresh’s being released this year. And all of them are figures that are very pricey on the aftermarket. So now with hasbro “rereleasing” them. THEY can make the money from collectors that we’re going to spend their money elsewhere on a KO or just some third party seller with the original product but for a crazy price. In all honesty and truth, it’s really the company’s loss. People will hoard a set of figures and list them double to triple the retail price. And then that leave us faithful collectors to that line getting fu*ked. When all they have to do a whip up another batch of a figure that has gained value. Some people are gonna pay those prices because they want that “character” on their shelf.
That’s awesome! There are honestly a lot of KO figures that hold up well against the real thing. I’m glad you got yourself a good purchase! Thanks for watching and commenting! Cowabunga dude!
If you let the ppl know it’s a KO then that’s fine cause ppl may need a certain figure but can’t get it cause it’s sold out or secondary market is too expensive I personally just don’t care for KO If I want the original then that’s what I’m getting. Just rather have an original if I can. If not the. It’s not for me
That is a totally respectable opinion Daniel! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I second that in fact. Sometimes I will spend more on the legit thing. One example is The Black Series Clone Wars General Obi Wan. I spent 50 bucks to have that figure on my shelf. But I didn’t even buy it from hasbro, it came from a fellow collector (which in some cases is better than some random third party seller. But I’m not opposed to getting a KO for certain characters. Thanks for watching and commenting man.
That’s fair. Some knockoffs are clearly trashy cash-grabs. But for the few that hold up there’s nothing wrong with owning one or the other cuz it’s cheaper and the paint isn’t EXACTLY the same. But you’re definitely valid in your statement. Some are just simply not worth it.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yeah, compare the sentinel Master chef bootleg, which Is really good, to the figma silent hill ones and you can see why some people would hate them xD
The snobs see their figures as status symbols and bootlegs devalue the status associated with having rare or expensive figures. In other words, they're selfish pricks who want to deny others the opportunity to enjoy the hobby for the silliest of reasons.
It’s a sad existence. We should be helping each other build up our displays, variety of characters/figures, and share knowledge on different lines. For the people who are depending on their collection as an “investment” 25-35 dollar figures aren’t the best idea to drop all your eggs in one basket with. Something like hot toys or sideshow ect would be something that could hold its value and even gain value over time. Like you said; just pricks who want the money they spent on a figure to remain “rare” or expensive, rather than know other collectors are able to enjoy it the same way. Almost everything is so much more enjoyable when you habe someone to actually enjoy it with. Other people to converse about it with, or bounce off ideas with brainstorming. Sharing tips and tricks, and just over collector experience advice to one another. That’s the best way to collect in my opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting Jofurr!
I don't mind KO's since some figures go out of print and end up only on the aftermarket, or are just so crazily priced that it just isn't worth it. Sure I'm not the richest person, but there are expensive figures I still throw my cash at. Figma MP3 and Dread Samus? Yeah I bought them without hesitation. I would have never bought a Mafex Venom when I have a few Marvel Legends Venoms already. When I saw the KO of him for a fraction of the cost? I gave it a shot especially because reviews said he was great. Worst case scenario I lose out on 20 bucks instead of 100+. He turned out great and it got me to grab a Spidey, and recently ordered the black suit Spidey too. Who I'm still waiting on. I think the kind of message people should take away from this isn't to belittle or get angry at those buying them. They're not doing anything illegal. You can argue the seller is which is fair. The message I take from this is that if they can sell really good versions of these super expensive figures for a fraction of the price then these official companies are missing out. They should do what SHF does. Put out budget versions of figures for those who can't pay the higher prices or to get people into the line. Go basic on the paint, maybe only one alt head, no web effects, and only fist/wall crawl/fwip hands in a smaller more basic box. I'd buy an official Mafex Spidey like that for 40 no question as it'd be much better value than some of Marvel Legends'. You're never gonna get rid of bootlegs. It's not the consumers fault that these KO's are getting better in quality either. They're capturing a market that these other companies are leaving behind since they'd never be getting money from them anyway. Also another bright side of them actually being good is that if someone happens to buy a KO without knowing it as a gift then the person will at least be getting a good product. I wager that's where a lot of these are actually going, to gifts for kids or friends and the people don't even realize it. Which I'd rather someone get a decent bootleg as a thoughtful gift than a rather crappy expensive gift.
@@venomsjunkmail dude this comment is pure perfection! 🤌🤌👌👌 That is the exact takeaway I wanted people to have from this video. You understood all my validations and conglomerated it into a couple paragraphs. There is nothing wrong with buying an expensive figure (if you have the moola). I’m not gonna judge people for paying 80-120 (even more sometimes) for a shfiguarts or mafex. On the flip side, there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying KOs. As long as they’re not overpriced (compared to retail), and they’re not being passed off as authentic versions. That market is there and is would be stale if not for the KO supply chain. Like you perfectly put it; “They're capturing a market that these other companies are leaving behind since they'd never be getting money from them anyway.” So well written and also rings true. I love your comment venom! Thank you for your insight and input. I really liked what you had to say and you explained so superbly, what I want other collectors (beginner or veteran) to take away from this.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Hey, no problem! You popped up in my recommended out of nowhere and I've only recently dabbled in KO's. Perhaps that's why it got recommended. Another point I didn't think of is that some people would like to pay the original companies full price but can't. Take the cell shaded Spider-Man retro card from Marvel Legends. That thing was a Walmart exclusive if memory serves. So if you wanted one you had to get lucky and beat the scalpers and other legit collectors fighting over the site for a preorder, see it in stores, or pay aftermarket prices. Because it sold out within minutes. No reissues, no alternate buying options, one and done. That's horse droppings. Most collectors when somethin like that, especially when exclusive, goes up for preorder won't have a chance at it despite wanting one. So if Hasbro wants to snub customers who do want to give them money I have no problem with bootlegs coming out that let people have a shot at it. For instance I almost didn't get the recent movie Carnage preordered, but thankfully Amazon still had him up when I had a chance to grab one at all. I can't say I would have gone for a KO in this instance, but since I think it's a genuinely good looking Carnage variant of sorts I would have been really annoyed to miss out on him. Also yes unless you're buying from a known seller like bbts, EE, Hasbro Pulse etc be careful with buying expensive stuff. If you go in knowing something is a KO and are paying KO prices, that's cool. If you go in thinking it's a top notch figure but turns out to be a KO? That's just someone scamming you and that's not cool whatsoever. Just be sure to know what you're buying before you hit the order button.
@@venomsjunkmail well im glad you stumbled across my channel. I guess that UA-cam algorithm is being sweet to me. That Walmart exclusive is a perfect example! There’s a target exclusive of Obi Wan in his clone wars armor (not sure if you’re familiar) but it goes for 50 plus on the aftermarket. That is an example of when I spent more than retail, because I wanted that figure so bad. With exclusives that are harder to come across you are most certainly competing with other collectors and (even worse) scalpers. All that is good advice for others to remember! Especially newer collectors. With all the preorders this, exclusive that, fan channel this, mainline that, ect. For newcomer collectors it can be overwhelming. Hell, let’s be honest. When multiple lines are dropping multiple new figures, it can even get overwhelming for veteran collectors. Not only keeping up with what’s what, but also being able to fund the hobby without breaking the bank. Ultimately it boils down to collector discretion, research, and good judgment. My dude Venomsjunkmail spitting some straight facts. Dropping all kinds nuggets a of true knowledge.
Bootlegs are hit or miss! I gotta thing for Sandtroopers and I got an extra one from Ebay and it was a miss. No leg articulation. He'll be a background guy!😅 I think Bootlegs are great especially when you gotta pay a mortgage and a high car insurance, not to mention other stuff! This hobby is expensive and we need to have fun ! If you can find a deal, sale, or a kool Bootleg it's your $ ....your collection! Just have fun with it! Hasbro is tough on the fans and Bootlegs create a fun alternative to the hobby! The world is full of hateful miserable fucks that just wanna spread their hate or misery! You're collection looks great and man I need a Venom! I need me a bootleg!😅
lol yea. Your totally right man. And hey, you can never have too many background stormtroopers! Especially a sand trooper! Exactly! We all have bills and responsibilities. From time to time even deal with emergencies or last minute incidents (like a blown tire ect). This hobby is supposed to be fun like you said. It’s not about the money you’re spending on it. Marvel Legends and Black Series are not some investment, like compared to a hot toys per se. They’re literally just toys, action figures (I say that loosely because they’re so much more than that. Memories, reminiscing, nostalgia, infatuation, entertainment, excitement, enjoyment, ect. I could go on and on) it’s not supposed to be taken as seriously as some collectors make it. Thanks Ricardo! I appreciate it man! It’s not exactly how I want it, but that’s the fun in a display. And just collecting in general. You’re never really “done” or “finished”. It just goes on and on. This Venom KO thoroughly impressed me by how decent it is quality wise, and how close it is to a legit ML. I’m gonna post the review for it later this week. I think you’d enjoy it. But hopefully when you see my review it will help you make up your mind! It’s totally worth it IMO! Thanks for watching and commenting Ricardo! I’m grateful for the good vibes your comment gave off.
Some or even most people these days are far too judgmental or they have a strong opinion on certain things so they tell it as they see it. Especially online on UA-cam in the comments section or even on Facebook messages and sometimes even in person. They will judge and criticize you on most anything and everything including toy and action figure collecting on what you buy and if you are an in box or out of box collector. They may even judge or criticize you on stupid things like even having tattoos when it's your body it's your choice including on what type and name brand of toys and figures you collect when it's your own money it's your choice. It's like they expect you to be doing things exactly like them when actually we are all our own individual person and that's what makes us unique. Even major name brand toys and figures when they are mass produced in the thousands some can have manufacturing defects and flaws or they can have slightly different variations on the same exact figure so not even name brand toys by Hasbro or Mattel are always exactly perfect. With buying an off brand knockoff you are saving alot of money so you can possibly buy 2 different figures for the cost of one single figure of a name brand one. You are mostly just paying extra for the major name brand and possibly getting a little better quality that's all. But all plastic figures will slowly degrade over time after many years regardless if it's made by Hasbro or Mattel or a knock off brand but some still last many years if well taken care of. I know this is a long posted comment but nobody else commented yet and this is a great topic to discuss so there was alot to say. They look like a great collection of TMNT figures to have anyway regardless of their manufacturer's name. 👍💯☺
I love your comment Ken! You hit the nail on the head. People just fall in too deep with a negative mindset. That’s gonna get nobody anywhere. Everyone has much more to gain from having a positive mindset (obviously not all the time ofrocurse. We all have bad days.). And 1000%! Even the major name brand figures can have defects and QC issues. Toxic people like that will always find SOMETHING to moan and whine about. It’s just not worth all that energy. And no worries for the long comment! I love hearing what others have to say and their thoughts. You are welcome to say whatever you feel! Thank you for watching and commenting Ken. I appreciate it.
Another thing I feel that happens is perhaps some people overpayed for a certain figure just to come to find out, there’s a VERY decent and cheaper alternative available. And they’re just sour about it.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Yes, What you said is true. I've been a subscriber to your channel for many months now although I don't always comment on all videos but this was an important discussion. This kinda problem happens even on other toy and figures collectors channels on UA-cam and also even on the music and movie reaction channels and other channels on this UA-cam platform. All you can really do is just try to ignore these people and don't respond to them and delete their comments and block them but the only thing is there will just be another one of these type of people eventually again sooner or later. Good night.
@@Ken-vk8pb well thank you for being a subscriber. I am appreciative for that. It is definitely something that’s not SUPER often discussed, but we all have bills and responsibilities. People need to not judge on such petty meaningless things. Such as what kind of toys you buy. Once again thanks for watching Ken.
Dude. Yes. First off love the topic. I've talked about it myself man. Also I as well bought the same Turtles. I did a video as well and it has crazy views. People love to click that video and tell me that the turtles are fake. Lol. I know. That's why I bought them.
Thanks for checking out the video man! It’s definitely something that I feel should be talked about a bit more in the collecting community. Not only so we “save money” or “spend less”, but also for other newcomer enthusiasts. Those tmnt KOs are so surprisingly good! Some people just love to focus on things they don’t like for some reason. lol. Thanks for watching dude.
@@shadowmantis23 hell yea! South Cackalacky for life!! lol. thanks for the support! Much appreciated. Thanks for checking out the video and subbing to the channel! I hope you enjoy more of the content.
To the hell with the haters. Get what you can and what like. I'm not happy with some of the bootleg but I can live with it for the price, especially when they just stay on the shelf for the most part. FCK the haters.... New to the channel here. Solely on the bases of the genuine content I'm a fan Now...
@@irvingdomenech4187 it’s always nice to hear the opposing side of the argument. But the overwhelming majority of likeminded people on this subject has (not suprised me) is kinda shocking. It’s nice to hear some validation from others opinions and thoughts that reflect what I believe from separate facts iv gathered. As others have different perspectives because of their own experiences ect. But I’m with you man. For the most part it’s gonna be on the shelf! I know for toy photography some bootlegs can be crappy, and even for possibility due to quality ect. But if a bootleg is nice, ITS NICE! That’s all it boils down to at the end of the day! Well I’m glad you stumbled upon my channel. Welcome! I appreciate you watching and commenting. I also appreciate you subbing. Means a lot! I hope you enjoy my other content as well!
@@irvingdomenech4187 this humid heat hits dofferent than dry heat. I had someone tell me 95 in SC isn’t hot, try Arizona at 103. But not accounting for heat index. Humid heat is 10 times worse than dry heat. People just don’t understand. Then they come down here to places like SC, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and they can’t believe just how bad it actually is. Compared to places like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, ect.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Yep it is stupid hot down here. Everyone always try to compete on how hot or cold it is where there from or live. And I have to say that I've been in way more places that I like to admit. But with that said, down here is a top contender for that trophy with Mississippi and Louisiana on that race. There is no break or hiding from it, especially if you're on the sandy part of the state and I grew up in a place that is 80 to100 degrees year around and still the heat down here is hell as they say famously hot.🥵🥵🥵🥵
5:15 it’s…….. A S P D 1 in 25 have it. Sorry YT won’t let me type it normally. The reason they can’t empathize with you. Why they get off on your troubles at your expense. Why they seem careless. Why politicians do wrong when they know it’s wrong. It’s apart of enlightenment. Don’t waste too much energy on them.
I totally hear ya saveamerica. I am definitely not giving them any extra attention or any of my energy. It’s just very frustrating to me but Il never let it get me down to the point where it effects my mood or things I do. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Obviously not all bootlegs are decent I've seen some terrible outrageous creations. Yeah there are certain lines that seem to be almost exactly the same as the originals
Bootlegs are essentially stealing someone’s art. I own a few bootlegs, so, I don’t have a problem with them, but it undercuts the talent of actual artists.
That’s is true. I can’t argue that. The artist who sculpted the figure don’t get their “commission” for those sales. They’re gonna find any kinda legal loopholes they can to be able to sell. I can’t blame the hustle but I do understand what you’re saying though for sure.
@@BoozyBeggar you’re goofy. So I guess if someone steals my identity it’s cool because I never had my identity in my hand. Your understanding of the concept of theft is actually sad.
"...the articulation is very loose..." LOL You mean like a NECA figure? Buy whatever you like! I'd rather watch a real one than care about whether or not they bought a real one.
@@bukworm 😂😂😂 iv always heard Neca are actually pretty stiff. Is that actually not the case? I don’t have any legit Neca figures so I honestly wouldn’t know. And damn straight! lol. I feel the same way. I don’t care what someone buys, as long as they’re honest and authentic. Thanks for watching bukworm!
I think you’re missing the point of why buying knockoffs is a problem. It’s about ethics. You are enabling illegal behavior that negatively impacts the industry.
@@SergioRoguez no I totally understand that. The only exception I see as reasoning is that the figures I buy are either rare/expensive, aren’t in production anymore, and not feeding in to scalper prices. I feel ya on the “ethics” of it. But if we’re gonna go down that road: what about iPhones? So many people have one and how do you think those resources are acquired? By low waged forced labor and illegals business practices. All the mercury and copper ect that goes into the iPhones is malpractice. Yet WE ALL buy iPhones (I say “we” loosely. I know some people have other phones or whatever but the principle still stands).
It’s not like you’re buying that 100 dollar figure from the actual manufacturer (in most cases). You’re paying it to a third party company or a random collector, so it’s not going to the company either way.
@@SergioRoguez is everyone gonna stop buying iPhones because the material in the phones are resourced unethically? No they’re not lol. It’s wrong and I hate it. But on a scale like that, a couple hundred thousand people aren’t going to make a difference. When it comes to that aspect at least.
@@jasonpatchen1912 ohh I gotcha man. Oh yea he got me pulled into a whole other line. Which I told myself I wasn’t going to do when I began collecting figures. lol.
@@jasonpatchen1912 yep. Fond memories I have with my brother. Definitely struck a chord with me when I seen the show coming out. Forgot how much we loved X-Men growing up. Not to mention that figure is just so freaking dope. It’s damn near perfect in my opinion.
Man let’s be honest. America does on America crime. The majority of the USAs products IS Chinese. It just has an American company’s name on it . Why make it here in the states (to provide jobs and stimulate the economy), when we can make it across seas for literally next to nothing. It’s simple obviously, it’s money. (I say ‘we’, as in big corporations) In a sense, for years America has been struggling to keep labor over here in the US due to wages and price increases in materials and shipping. Or maybe I shouldn’t say struggling (for some companies that’s true)but choosing to go with the cheaper labor just to make an extra buck (which obviously we all know is what corporations do) is doing enough damage already to the “system”. But now that being said; you are entitled to have your opinion. Let me ask you this. Do you ridicule or judge others BECAUSE they buy knockoffs? Or do you simply just have your opinion and choose NOT to buy KOs. My main gripe is with people who get their panties in a bunch when people choose the latter. Instead of spending double, triple, even sometimes more than retail for an action figure. There are a lot of collectors that have positive experiences with KOs. But I’m that same aspect, there are collectors like you who seem to have bad experiences. Which is understandable.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yup. Most is...legit. but .the ones selling the B/Ls.. are NOT. They? Are criminals..simple. but? Do you bro. I love 420. And..Actionfigures. I Just don't like supporting Chinese Gangs and Worse..w My $ no matter how 'small' of a fraction one thinks goes to that! They? Make the Fentanyl w those funds. And..I lost my wife to that. So. Can we end any Hostility..if their was any? I have a very good reason for my stance. So. That's all. 2 differing opinions. Doesn't mean I don't know how to shop and get stuff cheap in any event. So? I'll do me. You do you. 🙏 And..Yeah. I answered before reading your response fully. Cool. Yeah .So..Ya definitely know my real reason I ..cant do it (bootlegs) .. besides my wife? That sh#t has taken way more others I've known as well. .. It's not pretty . 😔 And..My God! I so wish they made em in America ... But? $. $ sucks too. 😊
@@TheStonedMandalorian and..Nope. I don't make fun of anyone for much. It's not cool. My reason? Is far deeper. So..Hopefully? We have a understanding.. 😊 just 2 420 Actionfigure collectors w YT channels talking. All good.
The problem with bootlegs and knockoffs is when they make them pass as the real authentic figures and scam people.
Very true. It is an extremely scummy thing to do.
EXACTLY!
Look, if you want a Marvel Legends "Venom" or whatever that bad for whatever reason. It's YOUR money.
And I'm not gonna "cape" for these big box toy companies. That might be getting hit from bootleggers.
I just KNOW that if scalppers and reseller are whoever is sailing off their figs. They're NOT (more than likely) gonna tell you that it's a BOOTLEG.
Just buy new from a trusted source, though know you will be paying retail at the most.
@@JeminiThaBard yeah I don't buy from just anyone
but they are authentic, many better KO are actually the QC rejects from factory.
I love my bootleg juggernaut figure. I love to pose him and I usually forget he’s a bootleg.
I hear he's the best example of the knock off being better than the original.
The KO looks incredible. I also notice the hands look a bit smaller than the original. Looks a bit better proportion wise to me. I’m definitely gonna pick him up soon!
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@@JeminiThaBard same here. Very awesome looking figure.
Agree 💯
Very respectable opinion man , never understood why snobs care so much about other peoples collections
Thanks dude! I appreciate your comment and you watching.
Love boolegs. Good for customization, and spare parts for original figures
Some people buy bootlegs to make customs since
1.the figure line is discontinued
2.the companie won't reralease the whole wave of figures
3.we're broke
4.we don't want to customize rare figures
5.they don't want to customize expensive figures
Well im a fnaf collector and customizer and found a Chinese bootleg set of wave 2 and they aren't half bad funko ain't gonna reralease most of the original wave so these are better alternatives
That’s the perfect way to break it down. That is probably a damn good definitive list of reasons why a bootleg can be a perfectly viable alternative.
Totally with you! There will always be a rotten apple in the basket! Someday they will realize they have been wasting their own energy and time hating unnecessarily and trying to ruin others' happiness... they will realize that the essential is to not care about others views and to enjoy one's passion. As long as it makes you happy, that's what matters like you said! If someone's happiness is annoying you, especially that they aren't doing anything wrong but genuinely enjoying the hobby, then that person(hater) has a serious problem! In my own language I always say 'Saken so yen', this means 'to each their own happiness/hobbies'. The purpose of life is to love, peace and happiness! Hope dem haters find it too before its too late and that they mind their own business! Cheers bro!
Very well put man. I’m happy to hear you agree! Along with a few many others it seems. I love the positive feedback!
That is totally the purpose of life! It is so much more fulfilling to be as positive as you can, as often as you’re able. Love, peace, and happiness is essential to all of us.
That’s cool man. ‘Saken so yen’. That’s something to remember amongst us Collectors. Instead of judging, we should implore each others different styles and ideas of collecting.
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Cause? They fund Chinese crime.. and are fall apart Everytime I had one cross my path..that?. iS why I HATE,bootlegs.
With you 100%. I’ve picked up quite a few KOs from AliExpress….& they’ve all been pretty damn good. Certain folks gotta calm the f down. For those late to collecting, & the secondary market what it is, bootleg figures provide a suitable alternative to paying outrageous prices.
They are pretty damn good! It just makes zero sense to me why people get so uptight about KOs. It’s super weird to me honestly.
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The issue with bootleg figures is that if they're done very well or near perfect then they will be bought and resold by others who will pass them off as authentic. Those bootleg may even cost you as much as the OG. The ones that are low cost may also be poorly done so then it feels like a waste. Either way, my main point would be that they can be passed off as authentic to collectors who aren't aware of the difference. This mainly is for resellers doing this as mentioned earlier.
I dont see anything wrong with a bootleg if the item is no longer retailing, essentially the same quality as the real thing and obviously states it is not an official product.
I always buy authentic figures when I can find them for retail price or on sale, however once the price goes up in price I start looking at kos. I have bought several over the years and mostly they're just as good as the original.
@@r.davidhill7639 I’m with ya man. All the way. A lot of snobby collectors just need to take the dive and they’d realize they’re not all that bad.
Thanks for your input though dude.
I appreciate ya watching and commenting.
Vintage Star Wars collectors are really nuts about this stuff,. Repro accessories drive some nerds crazy. To me, if collecting becomes about the value of tiny pieces of plastic that are 50 years old, vs virtually identical ones that are just a few years old... it's gone too far. It's an obsession.
Very well written, & a very valid point. If it’s at that point (which to some people it is) it’s just too much.
What about over the years when accessories get lost from kids, pets, moving, ect? Hasbro or kenner isn’t releasing accessory packs. What if a lightsaber breaks? A blaster is lost? As long as it’s not being passed off as some 83 Kenner accessory, who cares?
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I’m down for the poor man’s version. The people saying that are the losers trying to scalp you the real version and they are mad you aren’t gonna fill there pockets.
Thank you for speaking up on this man! I love your passion and your conviction. Very refreshing
Such kinda words! Thank you Will! I appreciate that man!
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@@TheStonedMandalorian no thank you man! You are a real inspiration for my own channel :D take care dude
I appreciate this so much man. Im into toy photography and i definitely dont want to buy figures just to keep them in box. Haven't bought anything from ali express but the price looks way better than the aftermarket. Thank you for speaking on this
100% man. All of us collectors should be looking out for each other and helping to improve and thrive in our displays and collecting. I’m glad you enjoyed the video dude. Thanks for checking it out . 🙏🙏
Amen brother! I agree with everything you said! I'd like to add to it. I'm in the construction business and I make GOOD money at it. But I'm out in 100 degree and -30 degree weather no matter what is going on that day. I work very hard for my money but at the end of the day, when I get paid, I respect my money and myself too much to part with it easily. I also keep my priorities in line. It's more important that my bills are paid, the kids have good clothes and shoes to wear, there's food on the table, all repairs around the house are done, and that my wife is happy and her needs are met. The last thing on my list is a silly action figure or my collection. People who put their collection first have had it too easy and they need to re-think their priorities and get a real life. There's nothing wrong with collecting and having fun, but don't lose your perspective or priorities. There are more important things in life then action figures. I have a lot of respect for someone who spends less on their collection, because they have more important things to spend their money on. It's not that they don't have the money, it's because they have priorities. Peace!
For sure man! Those are all things that come first! You look after yourself and your own, then whatever is left you can choose to splurge or treat yourself. Material items can be bought or given. But love and respect from your family is earned, and no one can take that away from you.
Sounds like you have things in order man. I think you need to go buy yourself a figure!!! lol.
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Preach brother! New to the channel, just dropping a comment to help support the algorhythm with some engagement.
The support is much appreciated man! Thank you!! Welcome to my channel! I hope you enjoy some of my other content. I’m glad you stumbled across my channel dude.
Never mind them. Collect what makes you happy
Lately I been loving knock offs bc I been doing more custom figures. It sticks to pay full price on figures you are gonna essentially break and modify. It's better than buying custom fodder sometimes as you know what to expect and know that joints are in good condition, for the most part. I also have been finding knockoffs that seem better than the original. I don't get the hate either.
I find it funny how knock off get such a bad rap and then you look up the value of knock offs and some vintage ones actually cost more than the original toy sometimes...I also customize and create figures and collect knock offs because yes i am one of those poor folks out there.....
It’s comical to be honest lol. The margin of difference is astonishing sometimes with certain figures.
Thanks for checking out my video. 🙏🙏 also appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
In theory, I oppose the concept of bootlegs or stolen IP, but given the market, with it's scalpers, rare retailer exclusives, bad distribution, or ridiculous shipping costs on eBay, if I can't get an authentic release at a reasonable price, then I will happily fill the hole in my collection with a bootleg.
@@BiggestDawgEver in theory it feels gross. But then what the companies are slacking on: scalpers (in the sense that people are making 3-5 times maybe more by selling these older figures that whatever IP could be banking sales in on), distribution, shipping prices, exclusives even. It’s an untapped market that any company (with the internet and instant access most of us have) should be aware about and have some part of the marketing team understand what these figures they refuse to rerelease from older waves and such are selling on the aftermarket for insanely inflated prices.
If the company is gonna kick rocks and lose out on money by not giving faithful, loyal, or even causal collectors what they need and want for their display. Some of us are gonna do what we gotta do to fill that section of our collection, squad, or team pit.
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I’ll pay for quality. If the knockoff is super close in quality to the authentic, then I’ll get the knockoff. But more than likely, authentic ones are just better
For the most part they are. I can’t disagree with you on that. Ofcourse if I could buy the authentic version for a decent price (& or retail or close to retail at least) over the KO I totally would prefer the legit thing.
But overall the authentic versions are the way to go. But in cases such as the Venom figure, it’s just hard to beat. For figures that are hard to come by or are just ridiculously overpriced.
One thing is paying a hefty premium because the figure is out of production for a while vs. paying said premium to the dang resellers. Don’t feel bad paying a bootleg company over a hoarder tbh.
@@gipht1 exactly. That’s very well said/written. It’s the IP that is losing out on the money, and 9/10 it’s their fault. A corporation should be able to see what left figs are selling for and realize THEY are the ones losing out on money (and their collectors).
If you haven't checked out the KO Neca God of War 3 Kratos I highly recommend you do, it's probably the best KO for the money
I bought a couple of knockoff Black Series Troopers. They looked good until I did a swab test and they came back positive for lead paint.
Whoa that’s not good! I know a lot of people were testing them for a while and none turned up postive. Maybe a bad batch got through or something? That’s definitely alarming.
I appreciate your input though! That’s definitely something that should be brought up when on this sort of topic.
Thanks for watching!
@@TheStonedMandalorian This happened at least 8 years ago so maybe things have changed.
@@AllThingsAnxiety ohhhh I gotcha. I think over the past few years they’ve done away with that. I suggest maybe looking again if you’ve been thinking about it. Very nice figs.
Preach! I think knock offs just get a bad rep because the sometimes inferior paint job or what I initially thought is the item is just gonna fall apart or break easily.
I was wrong about that and own few knock offs today, some of them I’m more than happy to finally own a version of a figure I wanted and beats the aftermarket or scalper prices today.
I had a knock off of Raphael from the movies and I had to ask around if it was legit or not. I ended up selling it after a while and the new owner painted it up, and it looks awesome.
My only issue with them is when the seller tries to pass it off as the real thing in the listing (using the promotional photos, etc) and you get the item in person.
I think it’s a nice alternative and have never felt the need to shame someone for buying a knock off.
My guess is they think someone a person enjoying a bootleg somehow devalues their version a bit. Idk. We’re talking about a community that is almost always in a dick measuring contest and trying to one up the other. Like, obviously they’re not all bad but the toxic encounters tend to stick out more than the pleasant ones sometimes.
You should get the KO juggernaut, it's awesome! Some say it's better than the actual one because it has better articulation.
Funny you mention that, iv been dying that KO and a couple versions of the hulk.
That juggernaut looks freakin sick. It’s been in my cart for about 3 weeks now. I think your comment is the thing that gonna make me pull the trigger! I need him for my X-men display!
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Bad quality products using character likenesses and engineering that's not theirs.
That's the problem. They're making money off stuff that others made and own without the rights or permission in lower quality.
I'd rather support the ones that actually earned money.
That’s a fair reason. I can’t knock you for that at all.
But in most cases people are buying KOs of figures that are either hard to come by or way too high on the aftermarket.
When a figure is listed for double even triple the price it retails for, that’s not going to the IP anyways. It’s going into some third party sellers pocket. So either way the company you want to support is losing out on money. That just comes down to the brand you collect and rather or not they rerelease a certain rare or expensive figure in a certain wave.
One example is Star Wars TBS. There are so many figures getting “refreshes” (just a rerelease on the same packaging) that are literally over double what they detailed for. Captain Rex is basically impossible to come by if you don’t spend at least 80- 150 bucks. Even more on some listings iv seen. Then there’s Bossk, hera, Sabine, hunter, crosshair, empower palpatine with his throne, ect. There’s even more than that, that’s just a small list.
All of those figures I just listed were all INSANELY priced in the aftermarket. When someone has decided to bite the bullet and buy one of those figures, Hasbro doesn’t get that money. It’s going to the third party seller. So in essence by Hasbro not deciding to give these figures a “refresh”, they’ve been losing out on all that money. Money that collectors spent with OTHER companies because Hasbro didn’t have these figures available. So instead of those 6 years where those figures were “out of production” people have been spending DOUBLE just to get these characters on their shelf.
That should be where the marketing team of sed company does research to find out what is selling and what collectors want. None of us want to spend MORE money than what it actually sells for, we just do it because there’s no other way to get that figure from the brand you want to support.
Let’s just say last year 100 collectors bought captain Rex for their collection. They each spent 100 bucks a piece (that’s on the lower end for that figure too) that’s 10,000 dollars out of collectors pockets that we didn’t get to spend with the actual IP. If hasbro had that figure it would be 25-27 bucks depending on where you buy it. But IF Hasbro had that figure they would have made that money (2500 bucks if all 100 collectors bought from the actual brand. But because this figure is so scarce, collectors are just taking the plunge because they want sed figure/character in their collection.
I think that’s the majority of people buying bootlegs. I doubt many people are going to buy a bootleg of a figure that’s readily available. MOST of not all the time, people are buying KOs for one of two reasons (this doesn’t include scummy scalpers who try and pass of something fake as real). One is that figure is way too expensive over retail, or that figure is rare and it’s hard to come by (or it’s just not in production anymore).
But I understand what you’re saying. If I have the choice I’d always rather buy the authentic real thing. But in some cases that’s just not possible.
Another example is symbiote Spider-Man. He’s 50 plus dollars on the aftermarket on average. When someone buys that figure it’s not going to Marvel Legends. It’s going to the seller who has it listed. So either way sometimes even if you buy the authentic product it’s not even supporting the line you collect. It’s just supporting the seller you bought it from.
Sorry I know that was a lot lol. It’s a long comment.
As long as you know you're buying a bootleg and you're ok with it then do what makes u happy right? Great rant mate. New sub 🤘
@@TheSimpleverse that’s exactly right! Thanks for watching, commenting, and subbing! I appreciate it very much.!
I'm with you 100%. I've got no problems with bootlegs/knock-off as long as it's clear that's what it is and not an attempt to trick you into thinking it's the real deal... I even got a set of bootleg/knock-off TMNT figures like the ones you showed in this video. They're pretty decent (especially considering the price I paid for them). Would have preferred to get the genuine articles, but not at the kind of prices that they're going for on the after-market. Hopefully Neca does a re-release of those movie turtles at some point as they're my second favourite design for TMNT.
Exactly. As long as there’s no deception going on between seller and consumer, it’s the best way to get something your after without emptying your wallet.
Hell yea that’s cool. They’re definitely not Neca quality. But like you said, for the price point you can’t beat it.
Well I guess if we had the legit neca versions, you could beat it lol. But you know what I mean.
And I feel ya. Definitely my top three favorite interpretations of the turtles. I really love the 2003 animated turtles. That whole series was just so awesome and I like the style of animation and how they were drawn.
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Personally collect mostly official figures but for some like the Medicos Super Action Statue Jojo's Bizarre Adventure figures, they are just too expensive for me to get in a legitimate way. As long as there are good official versions out there I will keep getting them but when they no longer are being sold or get too expensive I look for either a second hand one or a bootleg.
Definitely an appropriate mentality to have for collecting. I love action figures but I just don’t see the point in paying 60-100 bucks (or much more in certain cases) for a figure that retails at 25-35 bucks. Now for certain figures like Neca or hot toys, I totally understand paying a premium price for stuff like that. But I’m just trying to have cool stuff on the shelf. Obviously quality is important, but there’s no need to empty your wallet unnecessarily. If you want it, buy it. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it. It’s that simple.
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I feel like if you're an in box collector then you almost have to get official but if you're an out of box collector like myself then do what you want and save whatever money you possibly can to buy more figures lol
At the end of the day, there's only one true reason for why people buy bootlegs/KOs/unlicensed 3rd party; MONEY.
People have other stuff to deal with outside of their passions and hobbies. The same case applies to collectors, so people have to understand that not everyone has the money for everything. Not to mention that not everything official is worth their asking price, be it cuz of quality control or just what companies charge for what little stuff comes in the box.
Looking at you, Hasbro. Hasbro can't keep using "the economy" as an excuse with their clearly overpriced products anymore.
Hey man you got back to me last video- ninja turtles. Really into your channel now!! Not gonna lie I kinda wanna get into bootlegs too cheaper I just haven’t had any yet so hope I can snag some sweet ones like you got
@@timbo1992 I’m glad you’re enjoying the content man! I appreciate you coming back to Check out another one of my videos!
I say take the chance man. A lot of other collectors (including myself now) have been having good luck with KOs. Over the years they are increasing in quality. Give AliExpress a look or even look on Walmart for those bootleg turtles. There’s a pretty overwhelming option of KO opinions out there now for many different lines and IPs.
Once again, thank you for watching!
@@TheStonedMandalorian of course man! Great content!! I didn’t see any videos of yours for Gi Joe classifieds. But if you haven’t jumped on that line pick them up!! I highly recommend. Kinda what brought me to collecting hah I went from none to 14 quick!! Hah like a kid again searching for them all
@@timbo1992 yea I actually don’t collect any classified figures. Just never really got into them as a kid. But I do see some that are pretty dope figures!
I totally feel ya man! 😂😂 but hey that’s what makes it fun! Takes you back to simpler times with something nostalgic like toys.
Sadly most Social media sites are ruled with nasty vile negative comments. The biggest issue is they can do it behind a computer with no repercussioons. I am and have been a collector for several years. I love Marvel Legends and retro, along with NECA. I get hate from people because I keep all my figures in the package unopened...unless due to the window removal for a short time, I did open to make sure nothing was missing or swapped. The only figures I really have opened are the BAF figs that I wanted to have the BAF as a figure itself. To each their own, do what makes you happy. I also wait, and wait for clearance and peg warmers. SO many times a fig becomes a peg warmed and years later it becomes a huge want. DO what is right for you. As long as your happy, and not breaking the nank...DO YOU!!!! Great vid, glad I came across it.
Exactly man! No need for collectors to hate on other collectors for petty stuff like such. Just a total waste of energy and time.
Yea there’s definitely a lot of keyboard warriors out there who dont think twice about spewing hate behind a screen. It’s a sad existence honestly.
Thanks for the support! I appreciate the kind words! I’m glad you came across it as well, and enjoyed it.
Fakkk the noise Mate, you do you. Enjoyed your rant. Keep plugging away! 😁👍
Bootlegs are god tier for photos
Buy what you can afford and what makes you happy i agree just dont have ulterior motives to sell as authentic
Exactly. You know what the deal is gypsyfish!
nah it will make you happy if u got a bootleg at a bootleg price but not if u get a bootleg at a authentic price.
Bought a couple of bootleg figures. They are old figures and discontinued. They are way overpriced in retail. And just got them and they are very decent. Use them for Toy photography and with good ligting and some retouching. They look fantastic.
@@robcuen1 that’s awesome! I’m glad you were able to snag them! There’s just no need to pay a unnecessary (for some of us, I’m not gonna rag on someone for spending extra for something they REALLY want) price for something that should be a simple joy.
I’m glad you got some figgies you’ve been wanting for your photos.
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You buy the plastic you want!! Now I'm all riled up... I gotta do something with all this energy... I'm gonna go buy more toys too, lol. Great vid Dude... saw your name and HAD to see what yer about. I'm not disappointed.
That’s right! You buy all the plastic…intill you’re slightly in debt….realize you have a problem….try to tame yourself….its an endless cycle!!
Go buy something awesome dude!
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I like when there's boots on my legs.🤣Thanks for the video.
😂😂😂
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It depends on the kind of bootleg, because some can actually be better than the official figures like transformers ko upscales
Totally. Iv had a few people in the comments reference the transformer KOs, and everyone seemed very satisfied with them. It definitely depends on what you’re after. Like you said, some are fantastic! Then some are shit. lol.
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Hasbro and Mattel make and import these figures from China to sell in the US. The only big difference I really see is that the KO doesn't have the official licensed company logo. Overall, it's all the same. I have some KOs, and it works for me
Yep. Very good point. Hell who knows, they could be from the same factory (after hours lol). Who knows? Nothing wrong with having a couple bootlegs.
@TheStonedMandalorian I actually have a few KO transformers and have another on the way, but to me, they're getting better especially w the die-cast parts
@@Csthedirector damn. For the KO to have die cast pieces is pretty freakin dope!
From some of the research iv done, over the years some of the bootleg Marvel Legends continue to get better and better.
When it gets to the point where the knockoffs are so good the only way you can tell is by REALLY inspecting the whole figure. I’d say that’s pretty damn good. If it’s being mistaken for the real thing and the quality is damn near identical, you just can’t beat that.
Transformers Cosmos is $80 f-in bucks.
If I can find a bootleg I'm buying it.
Yo Mando, I can't not see those two black dots on the eyes as pupils. lol I got KO MP Sound Wave from AE and it's amazing also a quarter of the price.
lol that’s funny!
And heck yea! Another defender for the underrated bootlegs! That’s awesome! I’m glad it turned out to be a good but! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Dude! 100% Agree with your vibe! You gained a subscriber.
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You earned a new subscriber here brother thank you for speaking the truth 🙏💯
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Bootlegs have definitely been getting better. CT toys have been absolutely carrying the KO action figure scene
@@ArachnidYouth definitely! I know there are some bad ones out there. But there are also so many collectors with positive experiences as well.
But bashing another person for what they bought with their own money is just such a wild concept.
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The problem with knock offs is when you buy them thinking there to real deal, i have have no issues with them if you know there not original there great for spare parts and accessories just dont buy fake neca predators big mistake 🤣🤦🏻♂️ also its nice to be able to have something you probably couldn't have in your collection for half the price. Nice video dude 👊
100% dude. Definitely don’t want to endorse scummy behavior and tactics.
That’s true too. Extra parts for kitbashing and customs in general.
Lol thanks for the warning on predator. Love the original film and some of the other films. Definitely would be a cool one to own.
That’s the whole reason why some people resort to bootlegs. Sometimes it may be the only way to get a certain character. It sucks to say but it’s true in many cases.
Thank you Jimbo! I appreciate that man. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the support!
It’s really easy why. First it drives the prices down for the real item ( see the original Goku Black for example). And then it doesn’t give the IP any money to support it. And some KO are very expensive and they shouldn’t be ( KONG for example, super expensive and very poor quality control).
I don’t mind KO, some are even better for the faces like Tonsenarttoys. But they should be a lot cheaper since they don’t pay for the DBZ license.
That’s an interesting take. As far as paying MORE for a KO, that doesn’t make sense to me. And if it is more expensive than the authentic version I wouldn’t make the purchase. The whole point of a KO is to be cheaper. Like you said, it’s not like they’re paying for licensing or anything. So they should be dramatically cheaper for that reason.
I don’t know much about DBZ knock offs but there is never a reason to pay more for the fake version. That’s wild. That all comes down to the collectors judgement and preference.
To me it doesn’t make sense to buy a ko for something that is readily available. I don’t know how rare or not rare this goku black figure your talking about. But I know he’s an essential dbz character and probably the most populist anime character of all time.
The only way it hurts an IP is if they don’t have it available or don’t plan to do a rerelease of that figure. That’s what actually drives the market price up. People buying KOs and spending more on the fake versions can definitely hurt an IP. But then you could wonder about how well their marketing & distribution is through whatever company is producing sed figures.
In some cases KOs can drive prices up. Looks at the Neca tmnt turtles for instance. They were hard to come by for years got rereleased then became scarce again. Then other people started producing KOs of that line, then that drives the price of the authentic ones up because they’re even harder to come by.
Every line has its issues rather it be reuse (which is important), marketing, distribution, pricing, availability, ect. There’s even more than that I’m sure, stuff that I don’t even have a grasp on how it works exactly. But I’m the instance of what you’re talking about, it just comes down to good judgment and what you’re willing to spend. Or not spend on certain scenarios.
I appreciate your input awesomereviews! Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@TheStonedMandalorianfor SH Figuarts/ DBZ the KO figures can cost double the price of a real one. For instance a real Goku SSJ 3 cost 60 bucks, but a KO from KONG costs around 150 bucks or more. It costs more because they use an updated mold ( that they took from SH Figuarts Son Gohan 3.0, whereas the original Goku SSJ 3 uses 2.0 mold) and different face plate.
Or you have the Demoniacal Fit base Goku that cost double the price of the SH Figuarts original Goku. Same thing, they use an updated mold (3.0 vs 2.0) and to be fair it looks better than the original ( until SHF release a 3.0 version). But it cost double the price and that’s not good.
You should take a look into it, the KO scene for DBZ figures is out of control 😂.
@@awesomereviews1561 DAAAAMN. That’s insane! I had no idea DBZ KOs were so outrageous price wise. That’s wild!
Well I definitely can’t blame you for being resistant to those lol. That’s just insane.
Now the question is the boot leg toy for a kid to play with ? Is the boot leg toy for you to open & enjoy & play with ?
Then yeah why not save some money & have fun. BUT if someone is going to resell it for a higher price later on & NOT mention it’s a boot leg then that’s NOT for the buyer
Totally! Shell yea! (Little tmnt humor)
That’s the whole purpose of collecting. And just in general, that’s what action figures are for! Fun! Not to be horded and scalped.
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hey!! whatsup, well in my opinion I find all of them pretty cool. I love them, because they can be a good option for people that dont have much money. Also i must say, sometimes i find very interesting some figures are like so well done that deserve my attention. And in other hand sometimes they are so bad done that i feel curious to have them too,. OFC I love more the original items or products, but in my heart there are always a place for bootlegs too
@@ALMACENRELOCO I definitely agree! Sometimes you don’t know how good or bad something is intill you check it out! I think most of us would prefer the original over a KO, but when it comes down to price sometimes it can be insanely high. There is nothing wrong with buying bootlegs.
Thank you for your input and opinion! I appreciate you watching!
Hey im heading down to goose creek S.C. to visit our son. Any good collectibles shops nearby?
Not sure if Columbia is on your way down there or not, but there is an awesome comic shop called “Hero’s & Dragons”.
Thousands of comics and hundreds of toys. Lots of black series and old school Kenner figures.
Another cool place is called “LT Toys & Stuff”. Lots of cool stuff in that joint too!
I don’t know goose creek SUPER well. But Charleston is so awesome. Not totally sure where you coming from but depending which highway your on, Columbia may not be THAT far out the way for you.
I have a few figma bootlegs and they are nearly spot on to the legit versions aside from some minor differences and I love em. and as long as they let you know it's a bootleg then who cares. and many bootlegs have reviews so you can see if they're worth getting.
Hell yea buzzsaw. That’s dope! I think some people would be suprised just how close some KOs can be to the real thing.
Also true. Just check the reviews or even try and look on UA-cam. With the community being like it is you know there’s bound to be others that are curious about the same things. Sometimes it just takes a little effort and research.
Your opinion is spot on.
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The resale Market really is shooting themselves in the foot most resellers are expecting way too much for their figures as a result things stay on the peg or things do not move on Amazon or Ebay nobody wants to get gouged and end up paying over what's something is worth
@@dgenergene4418 yep. 100%. All these collectors spending their cash on KOs because the corporations can’t put out a reissue of older sought after figures. They’re DEFINITELY losing out on money.
I just hate that nowadays everything has to be made in China. They say it is to keep the price low but actually it is only for higher profits.
I don't have any Problems with well made KO's, because the Original figures are also made in China.
I just bought a Predator Scout and Razor Claw Alien from Neca and tho the figures are looking soooo good and are original, both of them suffer from loose joints a lot which is just annyoing.
I have 4 KO Clones which are absolutely great figures and one Figma Alien which was 20€ instead of 80ish and it is a decent build with great painting.
Btw. I just got myself the Jabba the Hut figure together with a 40th anniversary Biba Fett for just 100€🤩
You’re exactly right Serious. There are quite a few collectors (like me and you) who have nothing but positive experiences with KOs and for the ones who have mixed feelings because the quality can have a wide range of being good or just trash.
I think it’s really based on just doing your reasearch and not overspending. Ultimately it up to collector digression and judgement.
OHHH HELL YEA!! Finally got jabba in your collection! That’s awesome my friend! You will not be disappointed! Such an awesome figure (more of a statue really lol. It does have arm and jaw articulation so I guess it still counts as a figure) and the paint on it is just spectacular. And the cool little hookah bar and salacious is just a BIG win for that pack.
Congrats on the new addition!
And as always, thank you for watching and commenting my friend. I appreciate ya!
The thing is, people are going to say “aww those are legit, those aren’t real” but hell I’m not going to pay for overpriced action figures. Some of these people make some accurate af knockoffs. The thing for me is, my shelf is stacked with a lot of nostalgia, for me! I can care less what someone else who didn’t spend MY money on MY collection. Rule of thumb though, is doing research on knockoffs you’re potentially going to purchase. I’m getting black series knockoffs right now but have seen numerous video reviews about them. If they review good, I get them because they are complete custom clone troopers. Which Hasbro hasn’t released yet.
PREACH!! Tell ‘em what it is jaygaming!
I totally agree with you Jay.
For example: the new 212th airborne clone trooper is pretty damn accurate and looks incredible!
I literally just said the same thing in another comment. As you said it’s up to the collector to do the research and use their best judgment. A lot of knockoffs are very accurate. Another example is the regular phase 2 clone Jesse. That figure is practically identical to the Black Series 2020 clone body. Maybe slightly loose (for lack of a better term) but honestly not loose enough to where it has trouble standing or posing. In fact the articulation BECAUSE of the looseness has some insanely smooth articulation.
I also stand by what you say about if a line has not produced a certain character or figure, your more inclined to buy it KO. But if that specific line DID have that character, most collectors would obviously more likely buy the authentic version. I’m in that category. If black series released a better version of Jesse or whatever other custom veils or AliExpress has, I would buy it. No hesitation.
Some KOs are even better than the Original they’re trying to emulate.
Thanks for watching and commenting Jay.
Support brother! I’ve bought some knock offs from Ebay before and you can’t even tell it blends in to the collection but also worse case scenario you gotta use a little super glue every now and again. Hey as long as the characters I love are represented on the shelf I’m ok with it
Hell yea man! I see nothing wrong with that! As long as the info is accurate and it’s not misleading product information, and your AWARE of what your buying, thats a sure way to get hard to come by/expensive figures.
As long as the representation is accurate & there is no misinformation, being content and happy with your purchase is all that matters!
I appreciate your input and opinion man.Thanks for watching and commenting Daniel!
I'm pro-bootleg/knock-off, but sometimes they can be really crappy recreations of the OG figure.
@@ThaUltimateHunter for sure. There are definitely some out there that give the “bootleg” expectation stereotype. Just a ploy money grab. Super scummy. As long as they’re advertised as KOs and they’re not over retail price you can’t go wrong!
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Great rant 😂👍 Subscribed 🎉
lol thanks! Thank you for watching and subbing! I appreciate ya!
I've been getting KO masterpiece transformers for 2 years and change now. Honestly, that's all I really need to say, come to think of it. Clearly my track record speaks for my satisfaction. Also Takara Tomy absolutely gouge for sub-standard quality.
i dont collect but i like this guy
Probably because the critical dude is one of those guys trying to sell items on eBay for $50-60, and they don't want people to have cheaper alternatives.
If the shoe fits….👀👀
That’s who I picture is the majority of people who are real uptight about it. That or they spent a lot on an official version and they get butthurt cuz someone got something almost as good for a fraction of the price.
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To paraphrase Robo, "at the end of the day..." it's your collection. I have no problem with bootlegs; as a collector of vintage Star Wars figures, I bought a repro Yak Face because I don't want to spend $100's on an original to sit behind glass in a Detolf. I just want a figure to look good in a display. Most people who rage against bootlegs and repros have been burned in the past and are raging out of personal animosity.
@@mrjones5025 I agree man. They got burned and or paid way too much. While some people get sour, some help others to assist in collectors not making the same mistakes they have. Or feeding a scalper for original or KO.
That is the exact purpose of a KO. Not knocking anyone who wants to pay 100 bucks for a yakface vintage figure, all we ask is not to be judged for buying the non authentic version because we can’t afford (or just don’t want to spend that much money) on something that should be a simple pleasure.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I enjoy hearing other perspectives and opinions.
I just ordered Earthworm Jim from Ali, so we'll see how well it comes out
If you think about it, feel free to check back in your comment thread and let me know how it is when you finally get it. I’m curious to know!
@TheStonedMandalorian so I got Earthworm Jim in. As far as Paint goes it's right on the money. I don't have any other figures by primeium DNA so I can't judge pivots but the figure stands on tiny legs so I'm happy. The one negative is his blue strap was glued on and it's messy. So glues streaks on his chest and belt. But I could have just gotten a bad one. I got the head pack as well. Everything is A OK there.
You got it right bro. Do what makes you happy.
Depends on the quality for me, but I got nothing against goid bootlegs
That is the deciding factor for sure. Along with price too. As long as they coincide fairly, you can’t go wrong.
Thanks for watching!
I like bootlegs too!
Love a KO but only when it#s decent think of CT Toys as a recent good one. I adore my Amazing Yama Batman as he's great, just like the OG.
💯 Your Money, Your Choice! DON’T Yuck YOUR Yum.
Great topic, and I concur. Personally, I buy what interests me. Many official releases from hasbro black series don’t interest me and the figures I want (such as stormtroopers, clones or droid army builders for example) are impossible to find in my area. I buy high quality bootleg clones from sites such as aliexpress or third party sellers. As a customizer I use bootleg figures as the base figure to help defray the cost whenever possible.
If people have a problem with bootleg figures the simple solution is not to buy them. It’s really that simple. The bootleg market supplies the consumer with that which can’t be bought at reasonable prices or which is not available. It’s a supply & demand scenario.
I’ve learned after 51 years not to be bothered by the negativity that is spewed by others, perhaps it’s jealousy, maybe self-righteousness, or possibly motivated by self-interest but as Stoned Mando says- we work hard for our money. We should be ably to buy a bootleg toy if we want to and feel like we owe somebody an explanation as to why.
Love your videos man-and hell yes, that Venom is awesome
Very well said/written Hyper. That’s another good point I didn’t bring up. Customizers! Especially if you’re into doing customs, buying the authentic name brand can be a bit pricey just to cover in paint anyways. Especially for someone starting out and is nervous of “messing” up their figures.
Exactly! It is quite that simple! Just don’t buy them. I’m sure we could ramble on about all the issues some collectors have with fixating on petty minuscule things. The energy some people put into things they DONT like will never make sense to me.
Thank you man. I am really stoked you dig them. Just trying to be honest and genuine. And man he is fantastic! I am super pleased with this figure and I am so psyched to have him in my shelf! Thanks for watching man.
I don't get the hate some have for knock offs. I don't pay attention to them. I collect Transformers and I love knock offs of them. Oversized, cheap, cheap plastic, strange colors and totally fun. I've heard of some TF collectors having dislike for certain TFs, not just knock off. Whatever. Buy what you want.
Those TMNT look official. How much were they cause official NECA ones are so expensive. And at Walmart?! Dang. I've seen official toys with bad paint apps, stiff joints, etc.
Yea it’s a little strange. I’m not a big transformer guy but I gotta admit they look freakin siiick.
And the ones that I got were 90 bucks for all 4 turtles. I forget how much it was with shipping but all in all they were all cheaper than 25 bucks per turtle. I was pretty impressed with them quality wise for the price. Obviously the legit Neca is probably INSANELY better, but I just felt like it was a good deal. There is some sloppy paint on them, some of the joints are a little loose, the accessories are a tiny bit lack luster, but once they’re on the shelf they look so dope. Compared to spending 100 plus bucks on a two pack with Mikey and Donny or Leo and Raph. I would definitely reccomend you checking them out at least.
My knockoff record is 1-1. I got the OG Mirage tmnt, and they're amazing, but I upgraded to the return to NYC Jim Lawson TMNT figures. I got Spider-man from homecoming, and he broke the moment I posed him.
@@JConner26 iv actually had a couple people mention the mirage tmnt KOs and how good they actually are. People who own the real ones even say it’s hard to tell.
That sucks. Nothing more of a bummer than getting out a brand new fig and it breaks on you first thing out the box.
Thanks for tuning in to the video!
when it comes to Star wars bootlegs, i am pretty put off by them, the only reason being because they cost the same or more than official figures. The entire point of bootlegs was to get a cheaper version for a dirt cheap price. Now i see clones on alliexpres for 25.99+ shipping. Then when youtubers make videos about the alliexpress clones and say they are close to the real thing, but most of the videos when youtubers pose them they pop apart and fall apart, but they still say positive things lol, some look like they have loose joints. The fact they are more expensive and more cheaply made, i cant bring myself to get them even though they make characters Hasbro has not officially made. I remember a while back wanting to get the 212 clone trooper from alliexpress but then saw the totaly was nearly 25, later i found the official ones at walgreens for 19.99. If the bootlegs were cheap then id be all for it, but the fact they are just expensive if not more expensive and not as durable as the official ones, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As for the marvel ones that are actually cheaper than official ones that have been sold out or are official are too expeisive then hell yea! id get em.
That is a fair assessment and opinion Nathan. If you paying the same amount for a bootleg as compared to the retail cost of the authentic version, there’s something up with that.
That is the whole reason for getting a KO. Not only to get hard to find or expensive figures, but also to get them slightly cheaper.
The Star Wars KOs from veils aren’t terrible but I understand where you’re coming from. I have clone trooper Jesse with the accurate helmet and paint and he is damn near identical to my other 2020 clones. The only difference I can tell (as you stated) some of the joints are a little loose. But the joints on mine were pretty tight overall and the paint was pretty decent too. I only paid 21 bucks for him with shipping, honestly I would have paid the 25 for him just to have that version of Jesse. But the other ones I see like the plain phase 2 or “non-canon” clones and they’re like 26 bucks, I’m kinda out right there too. If the price is the same and the figure is readily available, I’m definitely going the authentic route.
And as far as ML goes; from some of the research iv done, a lot of collectors say the bootleg versions have been getting better and better over the years.
Thank you for watching and commenting Nathan! I appreciate your input!
I know this may sound crazy, but donate plasma for your figure addiction. It can be $400 on straight figs and you don’t have to worry about breaking bank and you help those in need of it. Just saying. I started collecting ShFigs Naruto last month and now only need two figures minus 2024 release.
$400 a month from donating *
Ehh it’s. It’s not THAT crazy. lol but I understand why you say it is. That is definitely another option, and you are helping out others in the process.
I know there’s limits on how often you can donate just because you have to give your body enough time to create more.
@@TheStonedMandalorian when you go to the center they give you those guidelines to follow. They won’t accept you more than twice a week. This method is for collectors who live check to check without wiggle room.
To me not a fan of the bootlegs, you get what you pay for, I bought a "figma" attack on titan, I thought I got a good deal until the joints,pegs just melted, broke off. the plastic was cheap, so $50 gone the figure I can't even use for extra parts. THERE IS NO WRONG WAY ON HOW YOU COLLECT.
Damn man that’s a bummer. Sucks you had a negative experience.
Just for reference how much is that figure retail for? The authentic version?
That last sentence is pure gold!
That’s one of the main rules (if there were rules lol) of collecting!
Thank you for watching and commenting my guy!
Hell yea bro
Bootlegs are great. I think it's easy to turn collecting into a rat race with other collectors. Also I imagine some collectors fear the value of what they have going down. I collect a lot of import bootlegs and even the more brittle ones I've been able to make work with a little modding. Venom looks great as he is!!!
And collectibles or not, they are toys.
Very well put bozzy! That’s where some collectors mess up with trykmy to collect for monetary value. It can definitely be worth it sometimes with certain lines. but for a line that produces figures in the 20-50 dollar range it’s just not the smartest way to go about it.
If you want value or something to accrue or hold value over time, maybe look into hot toys or sideshow.
This is supposed to be fun. And people like us will not allow some hater or haters to disrupt that joy.
@@TheStonedMandalorian amen bud. My current favorite figure is a knock off yujiro hanma ATM.
@@bozzy7946 Il definitely have to check that out! I’m not familiar with what you’re talking about. But I’m always down to check out other figures and appreciate other lines.
@@TheStonedMandalorian hes a character in baki the grappler
People also have no idea how knock offs work. Plenty of AliExpress figures arent knock offs
That’s true. Not everything on Ali is bootleg. Yes there is a big avenue for that market, but that’s not ALL they sell.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yeah even bootlegs are still a business so its not cost effective or even woth it to bootleg everything, increasingly sellers have immediate access to factories and I would guess factories are selling directly
@@toomuchnewtoys yea that’s another good point. Sometimes these “bootlegs” can perhaps be original figures, they just happen to have more paint and package defects that makes them “non-sellable”. QC mistakes and defects happen even in original authentic lines from time to time.
The way I see it is as long as a third party seller isn’t trying to pass a KO off as the real thing trying to sell it, I can’t blame them for it. If these corporate companies can’t take the time to see what figures have inflated on the aftermarket that’s on them. They are literally losing on on money because they don’t rerelease a wave or figure in a wave. And instead these third party bootleg sellers come in a fill that missing piece.
Star Wars The Black Series is a good example of such. They have a lot of re-fresh’s being released this year. And all of them are figures that are very pricey on the aftermarket. So now with hasbro “rereleasing” them. THEY can make the money from collectors that we’re going to spend their money elsewhere on a KO or just some third party seller with the original product but for a crazy price.
In all honesty and truth, it’s really the company’s loss.
People will hoard a set of figures and list them double to triple the retail price. And then that leave us faithful collectors to that line getting fu*ked.
When all they have to do a whip up another batch of a figure that has gained value. Some people are gonna pay those prices because they want that “character” on their shelf.
The tmnt mirage turtles from 2008 by neca have fantastic knock offs. I own the knockoff and you can’t even tell the difference.
That’s awesome! There are honestly a lot of KO figures that hold up well against the real thing. I’m glad you got yourself a good purchase!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Cowabunga dude!
If you let the ppl know it’s a KO then that’s fine cause ppl may need a certain figure but can’t get it cause it’s sold out or secondary market is too expensive
I personally just don’t care for KO
If I want the original then that’s what I’m getting. Just rather have an original if I can. If not the. It’s not for me
That is a totally respectable opinion Daniel! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I second that in fact. Sometimes I will spend more on the legit thing. One example is The Black Series Clone Wars General Obi Wan. I spent 50 bucks to have that figure on my shelf. But I didn’t even buy it from hasbro, it came from a fellow collector (which in some cases is better than some random third party seller. But I’m not opposed to getting a KO for certain characters.
Thanks for watching and commenting man.
I don't hate every knock off, i have some, but some knock off are hideous xD
I think thats why
That’s fair. Some knockoffs are clearly trashy cash-grabs. But for the few that hold up there’s nothing wrong with owning one or the other cuz it’s cheaper and the paint isn’t EXACTLY the same. But you’re definitely valid in your statement. Some are just simply not worth it.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yeah, compare the sentinel Master chef bootleg, which Is really good, to the figma silent hill ones and you can see why some people would hate them xD
The snobs see their figures as status symbols and bootlegs devalue the status associated with having rare or expensive figures. In other words, they're selfish pricks who want to deny others the opportunity to enjoy the hobby for the silliest of reasons.
It’s a sad existence. We should be helping each other build up our displays, variety of characters/figures, and share knowledge on different lines.
For the people who are depending on their collection as an “investment” 25-35 dollar figures aren’t the best idea to drop all your eggs in one basket with.
Something like hot toys or sideshow ect would be something that could hold its value and even gain value over time.
Like you said; just pricks who want the money they spent on a figure to remain “rare” or expensive, rather than know other collectors are able to enjoy it the same way.
Almost everything is so much more enjoyable when you habe someone to actually enjoy it with. Other people to converse about it with, or bounce off ideas with brainstorming. Sharing tips and tricks, and just over collector experience advice to one another. That’s the best way to collect in my opinion.
Thanks for watching and commenting Jofurr!
@@TheStonedMandalorian Agreed!
I don't mind KO's since some figures go out of print and end up only on the aftermarket, or are just so crazily priced that it just isn't worth it. Sure I'm not the richest person, but there are expensive figures I still throw my cash at. Figma MP3 and Dread Samus? Yeah I bought them without hesitation. I would have never bought a Mafex Venom when I have a few Marvel Legends Venoms already. When I saw the KO of him for a fraction of the cost? I gave it a shot especially because reviews said he was great. Worst case scenario I lose out on 20 bucks instead of 100+. He turned out great and it got me to grab a Spidey, and recently ordered the black suit Spidey too. Who I'm still waiting on.
I think the kind of message people should take away from this isn't to belittle or get angry at those buying them. They're not doing anything illegal. You can argue the seller is which is fair. The message I take from this is that if they can sell really good versions of these super expensive figures for a fraction of the price then these official companies are missing out. They should do what SHF does. Put out budget versions of figures for those who can't pay the higher prices or to get people into the line. Go basic on the paint, maybe only one alt head, no web effects, and only fist/wall crawl/fwip hands in a smaller more basic box. I'd buy an official Mafex Spidey like that for 40 no question as it'd be much better value than some of Marvel Legends'.
You're never gonna get rid of bootlegs. It's not the consumers fault that these KO's are getting better in quality either. They're capturing a market that these other companies are leaving behind since they'd never be getting money from them anyway. Also another bright side of them actually being good is that if someone happens to buy a KO without knowing it as a gift then the person will at least be getting a good product. I wager that's where a lot of these are actually going, to gifts for kids or friends and the people don't even realize it. Which I'd rather someone get a decent bootleg as a thoughtful gift than a rather crappy expensive gift.
@@venomsjunkmail dude this comment is pure perfection! 🤌🤌👌👌
That is the exact takeaway I wanted people to have from this video. You understood all my validations and conglomerated it into a couple paragraphs.
There is nothing wrong with buying an expensive figure (if you have the moola). I’m not gonna judge people for paying 80-120 (even more sometimes) for a shfiguarts or mafex. On the flip side, there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying KOs. As long as they’re not overpriced (compared to retail), and they’re not being passed off as authentic versions.
That market is there and is would be stale if not for the KO supply chain. Like you perfectly put it; “They're capturing a market that these other companies are leaving behind since they'd never be getting money from them anyway.”
So well written and also rings true.
I love your comment venom! Thank you for your insight and input. I really liked what you had to say and you explained so superbly, what I want other collectors (beginner or veteran) to take away from this.
@@venomsjunkmail thank you for watching and commenting! Means a lot.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Hey, no problem! You popped up in my recommended out of nowhere and I've only recently dabbled in KO's. Perhaps that's why it got recommended. Another point I didn't think of is that some people would like to pay the original companies full price but can't. Take the cell shaded Spider-Man retro card from Marvel Legends. That thing was a Walmart exclusive if memory serves. So if you wanted one you had to get lucky and beat the scalpers and other legit collectors fighting over the site for a preorder, see it in stores, or pay aftermarket prices. Because it sold out within minutes. No reissues, no alternate buying options, one and done. That's horse droppings. Most collectors when somethin like that, especially when exclusive, goes up for preorder won't have a chance at it despite wanting one. So if Hasbro wants to snub customers who do want to give them money I have no problem with bootlegs coming out that let people have a shot at it.
For instance I almost didn't get the recent movie Carnage preordered, but thankfully Amazon still had him up when I had a chance to grab one at all. I can't say I would have gone for a KO in this instance, but since I think it's a genuinely good looking Carnage variant of sorts I would have been really annoyed to miss out on him.
Also yes unless you're buying from a known seller like bbts, EE, Hasbro Pulse etc be careful with buying expensive stuff. If you go in knowing something is a KO and are paying KO prices, that's cool. If you go in thinking it's a top notch figure but turns out to be a KO? That's just someone scamming you and that's not cool whatsoever. Just be sure to know what you're buying before you hit the order button.
@@venomsjunkmail well im glad you stumbled across my channel. I guess that UA-cam algorithm is being sweet to me.
That Walmart exclusive is a perfect example! There’s a target exclusive of Obi Wan in his clone wars armor (not sure if you’re familiar) but it goes for 50 plus on the aftermarket. That is an example of when I spent more than retail, because I wanted that figure so bad. With exclusives that are harder to come across you are most certainly competing with other collectors and (even worse) scalpers.
All that is good advice for others to remember! Especially newer collectors. With all the preorders this, exclusive that, fan channel this, mainline that, ect. For newcomer collectors it can be overwhelming. Hell, let’s be honest. When multiple lines are dropping multiple new figures, it can even get overwhelming for veteran collectors. Not only keeping up with what’s what, but also being able to fund the hobby without breaking the bank.
Ultimately it boils down to collector discretion, research, and good judgment.
My dude Venomsjunkmail spitting some straight facts. Dropping all kinds nuggets a of true knowledge.
I buy from Hasbro or I don't buy at all. But that's me. People can do what they want with their own money.
I wish more people had your perspective. It’s really just that simple.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Bootlegs are hit or miss! I gotta thing for Sandtroopers and I got an extra one from Ebay and it was a miss. No leg articulation. He'll be a background guy!😅 I think Bootlegs are great especially when you gotta pay a mortgage and a high car insurance, not to mention other stuff! This hobby is expensive and we need to have fun ! If you can find a deal, sale, or a kool Bootleg it's your $ ....your collection! Just have fun with it! Hasbro is tough on the fans and Bootlegs create a fun alternative to the hobby! The world is full of hateful miserable fucks that just wanna spread their hate or misery! You're collection looks great and man I need a Venom! I need me a bootleg!😅
lol yea. Your totally right man. And hey, you can never have too many background stormtroopers! Especially a sand trooper!
Exactly! We all have bills and responsibilities. From time to time even deal with emergencies or last minute incidents (like a blown tire ect). This hobby is supposed to be fun like you said. It’s not about the money you’re spending on it. Marvel Legends and Black Series are not some investment, like compared to a hot toys per se. They’re literally just toys, action figures (I say that loosely because they’re so much more than that. Memories, reminiscing, nostalgia, infatuation, entertainment, excitement, enjoyment, ect. I could go on and on) it’s not supposed to be taken as seriously as some collectors make it.
Thanks Ricardo! I appreciate it man! It’s not exactly how I want it, but that’s the fun in a display. And just collecting in general. You’re never really “done” or “finished”. It just goes on and on.
This Venom KO thoroughly impressed me by how decent it is quality wise, and how close it is to a legit ML. I’m gonna post the review for it later this week. I think you’d enjoy it. But hopefully when you see my review it will help you make up your mind! It’s totally worth it IMO!
Thanks for watching and commenting Ricardo! I’m grateful for the good vibes your comment gave off.
Some or even most people these days are far too judgmental or they have a strong opinion on certain things so they tell it as they see it. Especially online on UA-cam in the comments section or even on Facebook messages and sometimes even in person. They will judge and criticize you on most anything and everything including toy and action figure collecting on what you buy and if you are an in box or out of box collector. They may even judge or criticize you on stupid things like even having tattoos when it's your body it's your choice including on what type and name brand of toys and figures you collect when it's your own money it's your choice. It's like they expect you to be doing things exactly like them when actually we are all our own individual person and that's what makes us unique. Even major name brand toys and figures when they are mass produced in the thousands some can have manufacturing defects and flaws or they can have slightly different variations on the same exact figure so not even name brand toys by Hasbro or Mattel are always exactly perfect. With buying an off brand knockoff you are saving alot of money so you can possibly buy 2 different figures for the cost of one single figure of a name brand one. You are mostly just paying extra for the major name brand and possibly getting a little better quality that's all. But all plastic figures will slowly degrade over time after many years regardless if it's made by Hasbro or Mattel or a knock off brand but some still last many years if well taken care of. I know this is a long posted comment but nobody else commented yet and this is a great topic to discuss so there was alot to say. They look like a great collection of TMNT figures to have anyway regardless of their manufacturer's name. 👍💯☺
I love your comment Ken! You hit the nail on the head. People just fall in too deep with a negative mindset. That’s gonna get nobody anywhere. Everyone has much more to gain from having a positive mindset (obviously not all the time ofrocurse. We all have bad days.).
And 1000%! Even the major name brand figures can have defects and QC issues. Toxic people like that will always find SOMETHING to moan and whine about. It’s just not worth all that energy.
And no worries for the long comment! I love hearing what others have to say and their thoughts. You are welcome to say whatever you feel!
Thank you for watching and commenting Ken. I appreciate it.
Another thing I feel that happens is perhaps some people overpayed for a certain figure just to come to find out, there’s a VERY decent and cheaper alternative available. And they’re just sour about it.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Yes, What you said is true. I've been a subscriber to your channel for many months now although I don't always comment on all videos but this was an important discussion. This kinda problem happens even on other toy and figures collectors channels on UA-cam and also even on the music and movie reaction channels and other channels on this UA-cam platform. All you can really do is just try to ignore these people and don't respond to them and delete their comments and block them but the only thing is there will just be another one of these type of people eventually again sooner or later. Good night.
@@Ken-vk8pb well thank you for being a subscriber. I am appreciative for that. It is definitely something that’s not SUPER often discussed, but we all have bills and responsibilities. People need to not judge on such petty meaningless things. Such as what kind of toys you buy.
Once again thanks for watching Ken.
os get a bad rap because people dont know enough to look for the signs but that not the figures fault thats your own
True. Another point that probably holds true for quite a few of those haters.
Dude. Yes. First off love the topic. I've talked about it myself man. Also I as well bought the same Turtles. I did a video as well and it has crazy views. People love to click that video and tell me that the turtles are fake. Lol. I know. That's why I bought them.
Thanks for checking out the video man! It’s definitely something that I feel should be talked about a bit more in the collecting community. Not only so we “save money” or “spend less”, but also for other newcomer enthusiasts.
Those tmnt KOs are so surprisingly good! Some people just love to focus on things they don’t like for some reason. lol.
Thanks for watching dude.
@TheStonedMandalorian Of course man. Good topic.
fellow SC native, get a sub for that alone lol
@@shadowmantis23 hell yea! South Cackalacky for life!! lol.
thanks for the support! Much appreciated. Thanks for checking out the video and subbing to the channel! I hope you enjoy more of the content.
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To the hell with the haters. Get what you can and what like. I'm not happy with some of the bootleg but I can live with it for the price, especially when they just stay on the shelf for the most part. FCK the haters.... New to the channel here. Solely on the bases of the genuine content I'm a fan Now...
@@irvingdomenech4187 it’s always nice to hear the opposing side of the argument. But the overwhelming majority of likeminded people on this subject has (not suprised me) is kinda shocking. It’s nice to hear some validation from others opinions and thoughts that reflect what I believe from separate facts iv gathered. As others have different perspectives because of their own experiences ect.
But I’m with you man. For the most part it’s gonna be on the shelf! I know for toy photography some bootlegs can be crappy, and even for possibility due to quality ect. But if a bootleg is nice, ITS NICE! That’s all it boils down to at the end of the day!
Well I’m glad you stumbled upon my channel. Welcome! I appreciate you watching and commenting. I also appreciate you subbing. Means a lot! I hope you enjoy my other content as well!
@@TheStonedMandalorian and yes is HOT here in SC
@@irvingdomenech4187 this humid heat hits dofferent than dry heat. I had someone tell me 95 in SC isn’t hot, try Arizona at 103. But not accounting for heat index. Humid heat is 10 times worse than dry heat. People just don’t understand. Then they come down here to places like SC, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and they can’t believe just how bad it actually is. Compared to places like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, ect.
@@TheStonedMandalorian Yep it is stupid hot down here. Everyone always try to compete on how hot or cold it is where there from or live. And I have to say that I've been in way more places that I like to admit. But with that said, down here is a top contender for that trophy with Mississippi and Louisiana on that race. There is no break or hiding from it, especially if you're on the sandy part of the state and I grew up in a place that is 80 to100 degrees year around and still the heat down here is hell as they say famously hot.🥵🥵🥵🥵
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The reason they can’t empathize with you. Why they get off on your troubles at your expense. Why they seem careless. Why politicians do wrong when they know it’s wrong.
It’s apart of enlightenment. Don’t waste too much energy on them.
I totally hear ya saveamerica. I am definitely not giving them any extra attention or any of my energy. It’s just very frustrating to me but Il never let it get me down to the point where it effects my mood or things I do.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Complaing is just well organized bitching! Lol
Kos are the best at times!
vs! The brand labels rip off collectors at times.
😂😂😂organized bitching…that made me laugh!! Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!
Obviously not all bootlegs are decent I've seen some terrible outrageous creations. Yeah there are certain lines that seem to be almost exactly the same as the originals
@@dgenergene4418 they’re are definitely some rough looking ones out there. No doubt.
Thanks for watching!
Bootlegs are essentially stealing someone’s art. I own a few bootlegs, so, I don’t have a problem with them, but it undercuts the talent of actual artists.
That’s is true. I can’t argue that. The artist who sculpted the figure don’t get their “commission” for those sales. They’re gonna find any kinda legal loopholes they can to be able to sell. I can’t blame the hustle but I do understand what you’re saying though for sure.
Theft involves depriving someone of a product they actually held.
@@BoozyBeggar you’re goofy. So I guess if someone steals my identity it’s cool because I never had my identity in my hand. Your understanding of the concept of theft is actually sad.
"...the articulation is very loose..."
LOL You mean like a NECA figure? Buy whatever you like! I'd rather watch a real one than care about whether or not they bought a real one.
@@bukworm 😂😂😂 iv always heard Neca are actually pretty stiff. Is that actually not the case? I don’t have any legit Neca figures so I honestly wouldn’t know.
And damn straight! lol. I feel the same way. I don’t care what someone buys, as long as they’re honest and authentic.
Thanks for watching bukworm!
I think you’re missing the point of why buying knockoffs is a problem. It’s about ethics. You are enabling illegal behavior that negatively impacts the industry.
@@SergioRoguez no I totally understand that. The only exception I see as reasoning is that the figures I buy are either rare/expensive, aren’t in production anymore, and not feeding in to scalper prices.
I feel ya on the “ethics” of it. But if we’re gonna go down that road: what about iPhones? So many people have one and how do you think those resources are acquired? By low waged forced labor and illegals business practices. All the mercury and copper ect that goes into the iPhones is malpractice. Yet WE ALL buy iPhones (I say “we” loosely. I know some people have other phones or whatever but the principle still stands).
It’s not like you’re buying that 100 dollar figure from the actual manufacturer (in most cases). You’re paying it to a third party company or a random collector, so it’s not going to the company either way.
@@SergioRoguez is everyone gonna stop buying iPhones because the material in the phones are resourced unethically? No they’re not lol. It’s wrong and I hate it. But on a scale like that, a couple hundred thousand people aren’t going to make a difference. When it comes to that aspect at least.
Whaaaaaaat?!? Your buying KOs? Man you are not a real collector. Your not in the inner circle anymore!!!!
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Wait, Ysoserious! It’s not what it seems like! Trust me! lol.
wolverine hit you off right
What do you mean Jason? I’m not fully understanding man.
@@TheStonedMandalorian started you on collecting the legends line
@@TheStonedMandalorian the animated series wolverine you talked about how you and your brother watch it as kids so you just had to get him
@@jasonpatchen1912 ohh I gotcha man. Oh yea he got me pulled into a whole other line. Which I told myself I wasn’t going to do when I began collecting figures. lol.
@@jasonpatchen1912 yep. Fond memories I have with my brother. Definitely struck a chord with me when I seen the show coming out. Forgot how much we loved X-Men growing up.
Not to mention that figure is just so freaking dope. It’s damn near perfect in my opinion.
Cause? They fund Chinese on America crime.. and are fall apart Everytime I had one cross my path..that?. iS why I HATE,bootlegs.
Man let’s be honest. America does on America crime. The majority of the USAs products IS Chinese. It just has an American company’s name on it . Why make it here in the states (to provide jobs and stimulate the economy), when we can make it across seas for literally next to nothing. It’s simple obviously, it’s money. (I say ‘we’, as in big corporations)
In a sense, for years America has been struggling to keep labor over here in the US due to wages and price increases in materials and shipping. Or maybe I shouldn’t say struggling (for some companies that’s true)but choosing to go with the cheaper labor just to make an extra buck (which obviously we all know is what corporations do) is doing enough damage already to the “system”.
But now that being said; you are entitled to have your opinion. Let me ask you this. Do you ridicule or judge others BECAUSE they buy knockoffs?
Or do you simply just have your opinion and choose NOT to buy KOs.
My main gripe is with people who get their panties in a bunch when people choose the latter. Instead of spending double, triple, even sometimes more than retail for an action figure.
There are a lot of collectors that have positive experiences with KOs. But I’m that same aspect, there are collectors like you who seem to have bad experiences. Which is understandable.
@@TheStonedMandalorian yup. Most is...legit. but .the ones selling the B/Ls.. are NOT. They? Are criminals..simple. but? Do you bro. I love 420. And..Actionfigures. I Just don't like supporting Chinese Gangs and Worse..w My $ no matter how 'small' of a fraction one thinks goes to that! They? Make the Fentanyl w those funds. And..I lost my wife to that. So. Can we end any Hostility..if their was any? I have a very good reason for my stance. So. That's all. 2 differing opinions. Doesn't mean I don't know how to shop and get stuff cheap in any event. So? I'll do me. You do you. 🙏 And..Yeah. I answered before reading your response fully. Cool. Yeah .So..Ya definitely know my real reason I ..cant do it (bootlegs) .. besides my wife? That sh#t has taken way more others I've known as well. .. It's not pretty . 😔 And..My God! I so wish they made em in America ... But? $. $ sucks too. 😊
@@TheStonedMandalorian and..Nope. I don't make fun of anyone for much. It's not cool. My reason? Is far deeper. So..Hopefully? We have a understanding.. 😊 just 2 420 Actionfigure collectors w YT channels talking. All good.
@@TheStonedMandalorian was my comment just deleted?
@@toyingaroundtoys nah man it’s not deleted.