Cities: Skylines 2 Review
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2023
- Cities: Skylines 2 reviewed by Leana Hafer on PC.
Cities: Skylines 2 is not the best game in the lineage of Will Wright's original 1989 classic. The champion is still the original Cities: Skylines, at least for now. If Skylines 2 gets the same incredible post-launch support and additional paid and free content as its predecessor, and if the modding community is allowed to thrive, I think this sequel might come out ahead in the long run. There are so many enjoyable new systems and exciting additions, sadly encased in an awful-looking block of concrete that gets in the way of how much I know I could be loving them. It makes too many promises of realism that its most basic features like zoning can't deliver on. It feels like playing a beta, or a very early Early Access game. Frankly, Skylines 2 could have used another few months in the city planning office. For now, it's more of a fixer-upper. - Ігри
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Looks like a game to buy in about a year from now.
It's like almost every new game now.
Or wait till it's 90% off
@@HuntaKiller91 at least until it's properly modded. Skylines 1 also didn't become really enjoyable before certain key mods.
Or maybe in 10 month
*laughs in gamepass*
The graphics also look inconsistent and pretty bad in some areas.
I'm with you on this. The graphics definitely lack consistency, especially when you get into the details. The seasonal transitions, like autumn to winter, stretch on with little variation and everything blends together. Zoom in and the illusion breaks further - no grass texture, just dirt-like brown, even on steep terrains that should show rockiness. And don't get me started on the industrial farms, where buildings oddly sit right on top of crops. It all pulls you out of the experience, detracting from what could be a much more immersive game.
We've really reached the point where every game needs to be patched for a year or two before it's playable.
And meanwhile, people are killing companies that do take their time to make a playable game.(like Rockstar for example). People are never satisfied...
It's the post covid world...
@@LuisRdzG10 What do you mean ? Rockstar makes a shitload of money with GTA5 and RDR2 is the best game ever made.
@@LuisRdzG10yes but they are also ridiculous..they take too damn long. Someone needs to find the sweet spot. Dont take 10 for a game, and also dont rush it out in 1 yeae
This has been an issue since like, the start of the PS4 era, this isn't new lol
Gotta admit the dude has a point, people in comments saying bad reviews because it will get fixed later is exactly why its only a 6 right now, reviewer is right, its a fixer upper and when all is said and done with right support, this might turn out better than skylines 1
Also a game shouldn’t be reviewed for what it could be. They’re advising people on whether or not to buy a product, so the review should be about that product, not how hopeful they are for the future.
people always say bad review if their favorite game doesn't get a 10/10
Hi, SimCity 2013 reviewer here, chiming in. I absolutely regret that review and I should have been much harder on it. I did have fun with it when it worked and I think a lot of people enjoyed it too, but it was never up to the standards we expect from a city builder. It's definitely a review I learned a lot from when it comes to trusting that things will get smoothed over. Since then I've been a lot more skeptical!
cant wait fror a trillion dlcs
@Sad_lSlS_Fans___lolSimCity 2013 despite it's limitations did not didn't have these performance issues. The game did have trouble connecting to servers at the beginning but when you did connect it ran pretty well
The performance being horrible at launch is what kills it for me. Like we need to stop making excuses why someone with $2000+ PCs can barely get 60fps in this game.
The leveling and the other issues are just reasons piled on to let this game cook for another 6mo to me.
60fps??? More like 20 bro
Idk how they botch it so bad. The first game ran great from day 1
@@PulseOfMe because people where nagging about cs2 and they thought it's time to make some green while we can simple as that.
@@PulseOfMeThe first doesn’t even run great today. It only utilises one core and it drops to 30s or below in bigger cities regardless of which hardware you use.
Bro this was Ubisoft cinematic at best
99% of city planners quit one lane before fixing traffic forever
”Lane additions are one hell of a drug” - Robert Moses
90% of gambling addicts quit right before they hit big
"If we just change this 8 lane road on the interchange to 9 lanes, the lane mathematics will mean the traffic starts flowing again."
Amazing comment
What an original joke.
Devs: "Optimization is a work in progress". Then don't release an unfinished Game! unbelievable.
If they didn't, people would cry about it as well. The issues seem significant, have to be fixed in the coming months.
Unfortunately the devs are at the mercy of the publishers, who are in turn at the mercy of their investors.
Money talks, and the money also knows that huge numbers of people will still buy a game that is unfinished, unoptimised and buggy as hell (you only have to read the comments on any cs2 video to see that is true)
So, the money men want their money = game gets released no matter what.
They can take their time optimising because they've already got your money. And you got a buggy mess for your 30-40 bucks.
@@SuperMickyChow The time cost of optimising is huge. It's typically far greater than the time required for concept to feature.
@@incremental_failure I'm aware of that.
However, back in the days of physical media-only games, a studio couldn't release a poorly optimised game because patching wasn't a thing.
Now we have "always on" Internet service, a game can be released in a poor state because things can be patched out after release. This gave publishers a loop hole to make money off sub-standard products, as is now the case.
The proportion of games released in unplayable states has risen exponentially in correlation with higher broadband speeds.
@@SuperMickyChow And this is why Indies are the way forward, what a terrible excuse LOL
It's just plain counterintuitive when games are released unfinished. It simply means a large number of the target audience will wait a year or more for the updates that make it great. At a discount price, of course. Us gamers know how this story goes by now!
Patient Gamers win again!
So its better to just buy it on console
@@tonyhawksproskater2406console gamers been winning on rando or holiday sales. PlayStation guys depend on that and plus deals. Patience is a virtue.
honestly, its ok if it looks unfinished as long as it fully supports heavy mods(doesnt crash non-hardware wise)... we, gamers, will take it from there lol
CS1 base maps are also pretty bad at hills. They seem to love big, massive hill areas which arent where most cities are built
Colossal order is Finnish and it shows 😅
@@virusj216 it really doesn't. The buildings and roads all look so American. Not a single hint of Finnish influence on them.
@@harrasikaidk what roads you’re driving on but those roads don’t look anything like American roads.
@@willmellon6650 maybe not the markings, but the massive tan grey roads with concrete sidewalks
@@virusj216 more like that they're a Tampere company, other (major) cities aren't really that hilly in comparison, and finland overall is quite flat comparately to most parts of the world.
Im always skeptical of ign reviews but the gripes seem legit on this one. Will check out city play planner plays and biffa and see what they think about it.
It feels like their partnership with Colossal will mean they will go easy on them.
@@moon9lighti just checked out city planner plays last video. At the end of it he gives his opinion and he has the same critiques ign had. Sounds like ima wait a few months to play it.
City planner plays did say he had some concerns about performance that other creators hadn't really brought up. It's not like they are pretending the game is perfect when it's not.
with their partnership with Colossal; I'm glad their reviews were not Cyperpunk-level bias.
The 6 is what Paradox well deserves by forcing a beta game onto the market. Lets see how they learn from this lesson and fix it.
Victoria 3 was a disaster and they didn't learn from it
Honestly the biggest turnoff for me is what looks like an absurdly terrible TAA implementation. The visual quality is simply non-existent - it's just all one big blurry mess filled with ghosting, shimmering, flickering, smearing and general noise. Presentation of the game is completely ruined and is absolutely dreadfull to look at. Cities Skylines 1 looks infinitely better.
And what's worse despite of it looking way worse CS2 is way more demanding to run. What are hardware resources being spent on? How does that even happen?
Yeah it's literally depressing to look at
And on top of that it runs like garbage. Very disappointing .
its not a terrible TAA! quz they didnt even EVEN use TAA... XD
Game is running on million year old MSAA anti aliasing in this video
everything is just so aliazed with AA on. How is that even possible? Somehow night time vision is even worse than cities skylines one.
Paradox should get more blame for releasing these games in this state.
developers (especially CEO obviously) choice to still be under Paradox... they couldve split off
Simcity Buildit looks better then this, and it’s a mobile app game.
Ought to have just delayed the launch.
Irksome as it is, it is becoming increasingly more acceptable in our post launch patch later games industry.
Probably Paradox idea
From the looks of things, it doesn't need a few months, it needs a few years.
A few decades more like it.
The landscaping issues shown here absolutely were present in Skylines 1. It's a shame they haven't come up with a better solution, but doesn't appear to have gotten worse
Grading terrain is a core mechanic.
You just need to wait for custom maps to come out. Guarantee some creators will have this in mind.
And just like IRL
In the video, it looks worse in CS2, but a true side by side comparison with different asset types would settle it.
In skylines 1, any kind of road connecting from residency to actual road had the landscape follow said road, in this they do not.
What is up with the graphics? Looks like they retained the same design of the first game...
Although they made great games this company Colossal order was always incredibly incompetent at graphics.
yea...you are right, looks the same...but here it comes...it runs WORSE...like alot worse for hte same visual.
its next gen, you see?
presumably it's people running it on low graphics settings because performance is terrible.
They look like garbage. The colors are so bleak.
Wow, seems this is a step back from the original excitement. Thought I'd be buying and downloading today, but seems it's OK to wait, or maybe wait for an upgrade. But lately I've noticed the in game lighting seems rather flat and muddy, making the cities look less vibrant -- hope there will be adjustments down the line.
It is actually beautiful but the problem is is that everybody has to be on low to mid settings due to the fact that if they put it to the max their gameplay experience with be horrible or the PC would just explode or the game would crash due to the performance
@@jayzeeiy it's really not. even on systems that can handle it all on the highest detail settings, the issues with the crazy lot elevations making things look completely unrealistic plagues the game
Can't wait to see the first custom map which is just a completely flat, green plain
gm_flatgrass
I'm sticking to CS1 for now. Modding won't be ready on CS2 anyway
And by the look of it, the texture is very flat.
Just play cs1. Don't bother with this. If you really want to play cs2, just pirate it
It even seems like for mods you will be forced to make a paradox account
@@yukiko_5051 I'm sure this will surpass CS1 experience in six months.
@@susangoawayThat’s not even an issue imo. Paradox accounts are free.
Wow they really tried to sell us those trailer graphics and now it looks worse than the first game? upsetting
First trailer very clearly said: Not Ingame Footage.
@@sloganreadersloganreader6736right? 😂 what’s really upsetting is all these “gamers” listening to IGN and just straight up hating on the game when it hasn’t even came out yet
@firstnamelastname956 and people were right its garbage
@@mr.r1178 oh you’re one of them lmao
@@firstnamelastname956 yeah someone with a brain
Crazy how this is so different from what we got to see in all the content creators videos which have been released over the past few weeks... it actually looks like IGN had a different game version o.O
The guy giving this review is an amateur. Very different from the pros.
@@varnium Even the CEO of the company has already apologised for the state of the game. That does not bode well at all.
@@TheN9nth Source?
Most of the videos from creators are alpha builds (excluding for example most snow mechanics). This test build seems to be closer to release
@@varnium I'll take an "amateur' review from someone who has actually played the game over a butthurt fanboy in the comments anyday.
KSP2 🤝 CS2
Sandbox games that made PCs explode and be more half baked than its decade old original
Man stop doing that Jesus Christ do you know how bare-boned cs1 was at release cs1 releasing and CS2 release cannot be compared there's way more stuff in CS2 than it was in cs1 by release by a mile and also you this time there's now two things you have to consider because with that other game it's publisher wasn't Paradox you know the greedy publisher company who does whatever CO might have knew this game was not ready but Paradox wanted that sweet street cash before holiday season
@@jayzeeiy Holy run-on sentence, Batman!
Well knowing Paradox, there will be a lot of more or less "should have been in the initial release" DLC. Maybe they will make a performance DLC this time.
But for real, Paradox is equal to predatory for me by now. Ever since the locked the breakthrough option in HoI IV behind a paywall, where the space for the icon was there in the initial release. They can keep their stuff...
Sail the seas brother
Theyre gonna milk the sht out of this game for money, were still gonna get dlcs in 20 years lmfao
Yea they have become like EA
Why are there giant cranes for 1 story buildings under construction? I’m still excited, it’s more detail than we’ve ever got.
they seem to be there for fields of farm crops too, lol
Sometimes we use cranes for that, sometimes the roof is assembled and lifted into place, but not tower cranes, it would be a mobile crane vehicle
The review is fine, what baffles me is that Leana says their PC handled the game on Maximum settings, when most of this review's recording is gameplay at 20 fps
The yoga homunculus 💀 that killed me
Whats up with ALL the big games this year getting released with horrible performance and optimization issues?
A lack of qualified Software developers and companies experimenting with AI
DEI hires.
Hoping devs could figure these launches out. maybe provide early access for people who really want to and use telemetry aggressively with that to fix issues or something. looks fun though!
Unfortunately it was delayed on console. This was easily the most anticipated game of the year for me
Unfortunately? Um, gotta think fortunately at this point, because let's hope fixes for PC make it to consoles by launch.
Im glad it was delayed, you should be to. It would be a stuttery laggy mess and you'd critisize. Best give it more time in the oven.
Better to not play it than launch with 5 fps playable
You have a point it's delayed till at the earliest next spring at worst end of fall of next year. It's too long and there already working on dlc so they aren't putting in the man power to fix everything up
@@damienchapman5427mate they said it might change they are probably putting on Manpower right now on making the performance on PC better before they start working on any DLCs
Those people crushed together are hilarious 😂
It looks like a glitch from the Sims.
Damn :( How did they go backwards with this??
6:46 Are you not able to draw a single lane dirt road to farm houses but instead must do a mini highway to each?
I'm pretty disappointed with some of the top creators like @CityPlannerPlays and @BiffaPlaysIndieGames as they have been very very generous in hiding the games' flaws.Given the performance issues on display for all to see, the terrible asset terraforming and so on, this independent review hits the nail on the head. This game is beta. And to give it a 6 is very very generous.
CCP has his spec and FPS for everyone to see. He's quite transparent about it.
IIRC Early access folk had an embargo / restriction on they could discuss - importantly being performance.
@@Infinite-if7uqlol how shady is that? Crooked companies
City planner plays just did an honest review and five hour game play as his pre release "deal thingy" with paradox is over now.
" I'm disappointed someone who had early access and was asked for critiques early on in the development process didn't just turn around and spit in the face of colosul." Did everyone of them not mention how limited the pre release videos were? Time limits. growth limits. Every video said " BETA VERSION BETA VERSION THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE GAME"
Literally has nothing to do with these youtube creators. They communicated and showed everything they could. I'm willing to bet they were banking on and hoping for more before release too.....
Game should have cooked for another 6 months. Crazy how us consumers find this acceptable, its literally in an unplayable state for people with PCs under $2,000.
Stop treating gamers like beta testers FFS!!!
We ain't fool
@@Derivedwhale45 we are. We're being fed Early Access games presented as full releases.
But that's Paradox not colossal order though Paradox forced this game to come out early I'm probably sure that colossal order knew this game was not ready but Paradox just does not care
I'm pretty much done with gaming. Haven't really played a game in months.
The state of the industry is an absolute joke. Imagine other industries releasing half made products at full price. They would be sued in court.
Super disappointing. Thanks Len for a great review tho, as always
does i7 13th gen and iris xe can run it ?
Anyone know if this is like Sim City in that your actions really have absolutely no consequence to how well or bad the city grows?
It definitely matters
Looking forward to hearing the debut album from Yoga Humunculus
Why can’t most game developing company make decent sequels from the get-go 😭✋🏻
Because they wasn't ready and Paradox wanted it to release early so they can get money
It's a shame that gaming standards are so low today due to so many pre-orders and people claiming "TROLL" when issues are called out. We have learned to just bend over and take it.
Wake me up when it’s available on console
The landscaping/glitches issue seems to be a massive. The other items are much more fixable.
when does it come out
Hoping this one flourishes
Great video, We'd count on further updates to fix these various issues and the steam workshop for mods and assets
"Optimization is a WIP [...]" Then why did you release now?
Damn. Was really excited about getting this. Guess I'm gonna wait.
I'm going to open a restaurant and when people complain that the food isn't cooked or that it isn't what they ordered, I'm going to tell them that it's a work in progress and that if they help out, we can hopefully learn how to cook food sometime in the next few years. But everything is still full price until then.
When is the Optimization DLC coming out?
Probably still need half a year at least to polish
Taxing based on degrees is such a weird choice- is that how it works anywhere in the world?
LOOK HOW LAGGY IT IS 💀 looks like a CAR CRASH 💥
how can brush over the 15 fps?
So basically like you said it’s a very technical game when you place a building or do anything make sure the ground is flat just like you would building
Going to wait a few months before giving this a go. It seems like all the parts are there but it all needs tweaking.
Yes you should probably come back around console release because once console gets approved to be published on Microsoft and Sony stores that means the game is playable by then
So like most AAA games it needs another year in development.
Does this qualify as a triple-A game? The developer employs less than 30 people.
@@grumblur well it’s not an indie dev and it’s definitely not their first rodeo, so it’s cool to release crap regardless? Is that what you’re saying?
@@Manic.miner2077 Nah, they should do better.
What are these frames? :D:D
It's time to make the developer understand that we're fed up with unfinished game launches. Wait several months before purchasing this game
Lol if you really cared you wouldn't buy the game at all.
no@@UnworthyChicken
Has anyone else noticed the horrible performance even on a 3080?
Be IGN: Release a video on youtube, it looks like 480p at 1080p
Apparently that's just how the game runs...
Developers are happy with “Release it now, fix it later”
No Paradox is happy with that probably not the developers they probably hate the criticism they are getting right now Paradox loves the money
Personally I’m excited for C:S2. I’m not gonna pre-order it or buy it at full price, though. I’m gonna wait until the fall or winter sale and it should be cheaper. In case c:s2 is as bad as people say it is/will be at release.
It's already being discounted hard on key shops lol
Same hazy washed out colors.. contrast? really hoped that would have been improved without needing mods
This looks rough
The typical Paradox experience, then? This company really needs competition
So basically don't zoom in until we get more updates.
It’s a beta version REVIEW IT WHEN IT COMES OUT (*joke*)
Morrowind NPCs have escaped their reality
Did the guy play the game on a potato pc or is the performance that bad??
It's bad
The assets seem like thy are from different time periods. The buildings look like they are from the 1970's and the cars look like they are from the 2010's. The lack of consistency is a bit disappointing but it could have been due to hardware limitations. If the skyscrapers had glass facades it may have required more processing power to render the lighting effects.
That inconsistency is real for most real life places though.
This is how it is in most places though. Buildings last way more than cars.
Wow the landscape thing looks like something from the first Simcity.
The first simcity done it better 😅
Anti-aliasing even a thing anymore?
Ah man gutted was looking forward to this one
When the review footage loses frames, you know damn well your pc cant run this yet lol
Being taxed more based on how educated you are?
If that were a thing, no one would ever go to school ever again.
This is one of those games that illustrate just how much uglier cities become when you put too many cars into them
they need a walkable city dlc or something.
@@Greybell Definitely want a no car mod at some point once they release a bicycle dlc
true facts about life.
paradox game broken on launch and only playable after a full year of dlc and updates? unheard of
So what actually improved?
So far I'm seeing a lot more blame pushed to Paradox than Colossal Order. Trying to get the game to holiday-market was unnecessary for a game this big and popular.
Finally someone that says this we're actually not finally a lot of people do agree with this statement including me
Something wrong with his recording setup? because the frame rates on his 3700x/3080 setup looks pretty janky...under 30FPS?
It's the actual framerate of the game unfortunately :(
Sounds like 2 steps forward, 10 steps back.
only to sell you the next 10 steps for DLC
It will definitely be 10 steps forward in the end. But it's just not there yet.
Is DreamcastGuy narrating this?
Do they forget nearly everyone had mods and they stated they will have mod support
Is not out yet on the PS5
You should be really grateful that it was delayed to Spring 2024 due how bad the performance is for PC right now
His settings look scuffed
The more wise choice is never buy a game on launch day, specially a paradox game.
that's not a nitpick, what is the point of having a pre rendered map, if you have to level it all off just to have some flat land, so when you build it doesn't look like picaso made the map.
Enjoy playing the full price beta version...
In a year or two this will be playable.
It seems releasing half done games then using DLCs and updates later on is becoming more common.
3:42 "It looked so much better" She says while looking at a garage buried beneath the ground.
Definitely beter than a garage facing a cliff.
@@bu9657 Both games are on par when it comes to handling terrain i'd say.
To many of you wonder how bad the game was, Gamers Nexus did some benchmarking and the most expensive GPU at the time (RTX 4090) only hitting 70 Fps in medium settings, in 1080p resolution.
All right, all right IGN reviewed city skyline. All right let’s see how this review goes. I’m happy that they did
What’s with the texture in CS2.💀
The performance issues are due to the unity engine. Hope they ditch unity for future projects.
Also, why do we have to rely on Modders to make a game playable these days???
Damn that terrain issue is a bummer. It's a common knowledge that whatever you're building, flatten the terrain..so it really should have been included.
It looks like they know that but changing that would probably require to restructure the entire game...shame
Colossal Order's cheque must have got lost in the mail like the DC ones.
Paradox is the publisher, not CO.
Did you review this on a switch?