The Final Straw To Break The Playoff System | Race Manipulation? (Martinsville Analysis)
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- Brad Keselowski said it best after the race: "This should be the last straw on the camel’s back for the playoffs."
From officiating misses and race manipulation, The Xfinity 500 at Martinsville lead to more than just at-track chatter. This race led to a broader discussion about the state of the sport itself.
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How is Larson not in the final 4? He has more wins than the final 4. He has more stage wins and laps led. Larson stats 6 wins, 12 stage wins and 1668 laps led. The final 4 has a combined 1797 laps led and a total of 14 stage wins. What a joke.
No offense, but Bell should be in the Final 4, not Byron.
@@Commonsenseplease72 They need to award more playoff points for race wins and increase the playoff points awarded for regular season points. I would say double the amounts for each. The best regular season drivers would have a bigger advantage.
Byron last year yet yall praised Ryan...
THIS WAS NOT A STRAW THIS WAS A BRICK
@@sluggermorrissette8116 a freaking pallet of them 😂
Call it whatever it is need a new points system.
I read this and spit out my coffee cackling 😂
Amen!
I remember a time when racing for points made for great entertainment. Go back to a time like 1998, a time when Jeff Gordon and Mark Martin had an incredible title fight under the Winston Cup point system.
True, but that year Gordon clenched with 2 or 3 races left. He won 13 races that year. Incredible season. Think Mark won 7 or 8 races that year too. Uuugh I hated it but that's because I was an Earnhardt fan and besides the 500 that year he had a rough year lol. It was natural though. Sometimes it came down to the last race, sometimes it didn't. Wish we would go back, just give the winner of a race a little bit more points. You know they never will though. I wish they would so bad.
Even the two years before that, when Labonte won it under thrilling circumstances in '96 and Gordon winning the title over Jarrett by a super slim margin in '97.
You’re amazing Taylor 😊❤❤❤! I like Hendrick drivers, but that manipulation to get 24 into Phoenix was Ssssooo OBVIOUS!😮 Hope you have a good Holiday season Taylor ❤
The final straw was when Harvick missed the championship race despite being clearly the best driver all year.
2020 was a playoff travesty
I hate that basically everyone (including the drivers) agree that this was a breaking point and that Nascar will still probably do NOTHING about the format. Nascar has never been one to admit they were wrong and it feels like they've dug their heels in too far this time. I hope I'm wrong.
If anything they’ll triple down on it.
Every plate race has had manufacturer manipulation this season. You can never truly stop it. This format just exaggerates it.
Well said and observed!
Yes, I agree
This is an excellent point that I didn’t consider.
I guess it’s asking ourselves what is race manipulation with the 100% rule and what is just helping a teammate? Where is the line?
@@ATYLMedia I never liked it in plate racing either. Aside from that race where SHR and the 9 just drove off from the pack by themselves, team and manufacturers orders need to be policed heavily
Bell got screwed over. He clearly accidentally hit the wall, and what was he supposed to do? Stop? These playoffs don't reward the best driver of that year. It rewards the luckiest in a select few races. They need to get rid of win and you're in, and they need to just have 10 or so in the playoffs, let them race ten races, and whoever has the most points wins.
Bubby turned him, look at the video two or three times. I did not see it myself until I watched the reruns
@@LevyMorris-r1t Bubba did not turn him! Bubba slowed drastically to be apart of the cheating scandal. He said he had a tire going down, was it flat once he stopped on pit road? You know it’s a lie but he lacks integrity anyway so thats not surprising in any way. Bell was pushing and did get loose while passing the slowed up 23 car (not hit by Bubba, maybe very slight contact when Bell’s tail stepped out, but I still say no contact). The slide up into the wall was probably legit but the gas up exiting the wall was an obvious ‘wall riding’ incident. It looked like Bell was trying to get off the wall but couldnt, esp while putting his foot thru the firewall. Wall riding ruled illegal, he wall rode, hes out.
On a separate topic, yes the Chevy guys blocked which was manipulation of the race, illegal too. To me, this is where Bell’s penalty gets interesting…a driver trying to finish the race after wrecking vs 2-3 teams holding up traffic to keep the 24 from loosing a spot, WITH radio traffic to support the manipulation. Which one was more egregious? The chevy guys vs Bell trying to finish.
@ not sure how long you’ve been around the sport, and this isnt meant to be an insult, but if you didn’t know, that format was tried for MANY years. It’s evolved to what is it because the format you suggest had the Champion crowned with 3-4 races left. Why watch the remaining races and sponsor cars if there is nothing in it for the other drivers, owners, or sponsors? Again, the shift towards “The Chase”.
was all fixed... the 24 chevy never got passed because chevys were 2 wide behind him... then the 23 toyota slowed to let the 20 toyota by.. too bad he over cooked it and rode the wall which falls under the chastain rule... nascar has made up the rules as they go so this is no different
Yup this this crap
Chevy was also in communications with the 16 team. Absolutely ridiculous that Byron is in. NASCAR clearly has a history of favoring Hendrick drivers, and this is no different.
The most important thing to point out about what transpired is that the Manufacturer Manipulation wouldn't be a thing if this Format didn't exist so punishing them just feels like blaming the victim to me.
The format absolutely exaggerates manipulation of the races
the reason it took so long to make the dission ,they were waiting for Hendricks check to clear.
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The biggest problem is the fact that the arrogant people at the very top of NASCAR do not care about the fans. They only care about the money in their pockets. It’s going to take them to loose that money for there to be a change. That means fans need to show NASCAR they don’t want this format and therefore no longer watch the content whether it be in person or on tv. Nothing is going to change until it hurts their wallets. As a racing fan, I hate to say it but we have to show NASCAR we are done with this and want change in a practical and effective way.
You're awesome Taylor and im a Hendrick Motorsports fan myself and i like all of them and i feel bad for Christopher Bell he completely got robbed and I root for Christopher Bell as well too and NASCAR needs to get rid of the playoffs because after everything we saw last night we had enough.
Waiting Nascar decision about #1 #3 #24 #23 #20.
We should be hearing more from NASCAR as the week goes on
The 16 was also getting orders from Chevy.
Everyone has been punished except Byron.
Excellent summation... 😀
Thank you!
Wins should award a huge amount of points, but not an automatic advance. That way wins are still very important, but it won't save a 20th in points driver.
@zzz6valvoline I agree, wins should be rewarded for sure. But not at the cost where you can finish 20th or worse 20% of the season .
Just enough to where it can create competition and a desire to win. And not to just race for 7th every race.
In the old days there was never a doubt who the champ is , today 15th by weight to the final 4 , WHAT A JOKE NASCAR HAS BECOME
Not exactly a Clint Boyer spin, but just as bad. Blocking and talking on the radio should be addressed and punished
Even though there are people saying there was race manipulation going on between Ross Chastain, Austin Dillon and William Byron, I'm just not seeing it. Hopefully, NASCAR can prove to me when they review the footage.
There is no way you can say that riding the wall was not intentional. You have no way of knowing that and it can be entirely intentional, That being said, team blocking certainly looked intentional. Don't know what the answer is, but NASCAR needs to change on MANY levels.
100%. We are at the mercy of the drivers comments post race and NASCAR’s precedent of innocent until proven guilty with spoken intent. Bell says it was not intentional however, in NASCAR’s view, it was a wall ride. That along with listening to the in car audio of Bell hitting the gas on the wall but NASCAR in a tough spot there.
But yes, team blocking is going to have to be addressed. What is helping a teammate (think drafting, etc at Superspeedway) and what is going against the 100% rule?
I know you have thought about this more since the video, so your view might be different, but NASCAR 100 percent got the Bell wall-ride call correct. No one can convince me otherwise. It was only a fraction of the wall ride Ross did and it started because Bell sent the car in hard to gain position as a desperation move. He may not have that in mind, but he did use the wall that way when he gassed it up. To me, there was no serious attempt to get off the wall. The reason they had to call it is because NASCAR can't set the precedent of allowing a fraction of the move to be okay. Guys are going to overdrive the last corner and then use the wall to maintain a higher speed than would otherwise be possible. Then other drivers will have to defend it by also doing it which will be a mess. I also think what Byron said about what NASCAR and the drivers had discussed about the rule was the truth, and that it was black and white
On a slightly positive note, there's a clip of Christopher Bell going over to William Byron and congratulating him. They seem to genuinely get along well too. I love seeing that kind of sportsmanship and poise from Bell. Byron and Bell seem similar in a lot of ways too in their seemingly calm(relatively) approach to racing and staying away from needless drama. They're basically the same size as well. They're in similar places within the sport and within their teams.
Kudos to Blaney for doing it again to get to the championship race. The dynamic is interesting this year because Logano is also in. That could create some awkward moments. I have nothing constructive to add to the discussion of the points system other than agreeing it's messy. But I just wanted to say, as we approach the final race weekend that following your race coverage and analysis since the spring has made 2024 even more enjoyable as a race fan, so thank you for that. It's not always easy to find a good place to talk racing, but this is a place I like.
Great episode. 💯🏁🏆
Great video and opinionated view ! I totally agree with you.
I've been watching Nascar for 36 years and I have always thought Martinsville was boring to watch. It's a great historical track but never has been exciting to me.
I'm just not a fan of Nascars barely going 100mph with no where to go.
Nascar really needs to go back to the chase format like you mentioned. 👍
Crowning a racing champion in just about every division is based on comprehensive points through out the racing year. Nascar created "The Chase" to improve ratings at the end of the season. Then they have made numerous changes to make sure the desired drivers were included. Then Nascar started using terms like, "playoffs" and "overtime" to make it sound like ball & stick sports. The whole idea of manufacturing drama usually can be manipulated and allows illegitimate champions. Nascar have created a poor system of crowning a champion that is unsatisfying for people that are real fans of racing. It is a mess and I'm not sure it can be repaired.
As long as the France family and the Steves are in charge, things are never going to change.
"We have a shit show here." - Mark Martin 11/3/2024 the #5 is the true Champion
When a class act, legendary, Hall of fame driver Mark Martin makes a comment like that, you know Nascar has reached a new low!😢
Nah. The breaking point was in 2020 with Kevin. This is a addition to that
Right call. Change the rule now but the rule is how it is you cant change it
Would be interested in knowing what specifically is in the Rule Book regarding team orders.
The rulebook specifies a 100% rule. This means that NASCAR expects its drivers and its teams to race at 100% effort. If the teams do not raise 100% and if it is in NASCAR discretion that they did this to you alter the outcome of a race penalties can be dished out.
@AboveTheYellowLine Excellent!! Thank you! Spelled out very concretely.
This is why i wasn't a fan of this playoff format system to begin with it doesn't work out in auto racing,too many variables scenarios an manipulations,i understand why they took an half hour to decide who get the final 4 spot so its a big decision who would win the championship so the rule is the rule #24 is in.
I think NASCAR is right not to try and police between intentional and unintentional wall riding. As a safety issue it should just be, "If you get into the wall, you have to slow down and get off. You can't hit the gas to try and maintain your position." If that's not the way it's written it should be, but I still think NASCAR called that correctly on Bell.
I’m a Hendricks and jgr fan but this is unacceptable there was clearly manipulation form Chevy and Toyota and I would rather see Hamlin and Larson make it in since they both deserved it more than there teammates
There seems to be a whole bunch of people that don't understand this is big business and not a true athletic sport and it won't survive without manufacturer funds. You now have all three manufacturers in the play-off. With all of Hendrick drivers on the outside looking in there was no doubt about how this call would come down. Nascar racing is one step above the professional wrestling only because there are too many variables out of their control.
The playoffs are a joke, should go back to pre 2004 system, but as long as networks are paying Nascar billions of dollars, nothing will change.
The playoff system forces this stuff to happen out in the open during the cutoff races. It goes on all year, especially at the drafting tracks. The only solution to the incident would have been to move Byron, Dillon, Chastain and Bell to the end of the lead lap and count the points then. I think that would have put Larson in, but that would never happen. The leaders do not have the nerve to do what's right.
This isn’t a bad solution. We dance an awkward line when we punish the championship drivers for orders their OEM teammates followed through on. Is it fair to punish the drivers that benefitted from this though they did not take part in enacting it?
NASCAR should have been monitoring their radios and when they heard the manipulation talk the black flag should been shown to the 1 and 3 immediately and got them off of the track.
I'll never understand the NASCAR playoff format. I've hated it since day 1. This is an individual sport. If someone dominates and mathematically wins out by August, then so be it. I hate the fact that someone can be dominate for 8 months, but have 2 weeks of bad luck and be eliminated. Other professional sports are team based, where individual hot streaks and cold streaks balance out for the most part. There, a playoff format is warranted and makes sense. But not for NASCAR. I get it, drama makes ratings, and ratings are good for cashflow...but that doesn't make it right.
An individual sport?!?!?! 😂😂😂 It amazes me how clueless someone can be. Someone could watch 2 races in their entire life and know that making a comment about it being an individual sport is absurd!
@@MODSTANG1 Who won the championship last year?
Even the use of the term "Playoffs" is silly. Nobody PLAYS racing. What's wrong with Raceoffs.
Ross knew what he was doing. Bell hit the wall and just kept digging. So every car that hits a wall from here on is done?
In regards to Bell. He got the pass. Why didnt he even TRY to get off the wall? He seemed to get into it and just ride it out.
I think we need to have just 3 drivers competing for the Championship.
I totally agree with you that should only have 3 drivers going for the Championship at this point.
Bell screwed up when he over drove the turn, then added insult to injury when he throttled up!
If he had just bounced off the wall and kept going, it wouldn't look so bad.😢
This is valid as well. He spent quite some time up against the wall…
The 16 and 48 had already gotten by Bell on the inside when he got into the wall. Bell didn't get any true advantage out of it which makes the penalty hard for me to understand.
Playoffs need to go
It's a show now, not real racing
just like wrastelling
@bennaelitz4207 yep
If Larson wins this weekend it’ll really make the whole playoffs look even less meaningful
Hi Taylor, how are you? Great video. I feel kind of torn. I will say this this is my angry rant not at you but at my teams motorsports for the third straight year in a row has gave the championship team Penske. They are a bunch of quitters, they didn’t defend Ryan Blaney off as they should. Maybe it’s time for them to examine the Chevrolet body. Are they really doing their jobs there? I don’t know.
Second on the tires, for the most part, pretty good but with the car, they need to get rid of the fifth gear and keep the sequential shifter for all races and have it back to four gears while maintaining the same horsepower that way we can get back to some traditional racing, no matter where we go.
When it comes to playoffs and stages, here’s my suggestion/I am for it but also at the same time the change would be if we’re gonna have stages get rid of the stage cautions and make stage wins count even more not to mention bring back some of the Winston cup format with five bonus points for leading a lap and five bonus points for leading the most laps. ultimately what we should keep is your win if you’re in and you should advance. I think stage should get 20 points. Ninth should get 10 points and trickles down to 10th Place which gets two points. as a bonus if a driver wins all 3/4 stages they should get an additional playoff point for winning everything but that’s only conditional also for the duels at Daytona. The duels should not be giving out stage points. That’s a qualifying race.
What are your thoughts, Taylor?
I think 🤔 you make some valid points and good suggestions.
Keep stage points, but stop the cautions.
Most laps led should be additional bonus points!
Leading a lap, should be additional point or points.
Thank you!
Great points. It’s crazy to think Penske has a 50% chance to win the championship this year, meaning they have a chance to continue being the only team to get a championship in the Gen 7 era.
I’m not sure if it’s a body issue with the Chevrolets necessarily, I think it truly was just a case of Blaney had the better car.
I think the tire was a step in the right direction but agree, they need to look at shifting.
I think if we are upping the points a driver gets for stages, wins, there is no need to keep win and in, which has caused much of this years issues.
@ I get your point so in other words, go with one or the other in your opinion or simply get rid of win and you’re in altogether. The last year the Winston Cup when I was growing up in 2003 back, Matt Kenseth only had one win. He was consistent enough to win the championship. Ryan Newman had eight wins, but I guessed did not perform as well and he was not the champion.
Whoever has the most wins at the end of all the races is the real champion. That would be Larson easily.
Byron did nothing wrong. You can't take Byron out for them doing that
Full season points or nothing. It’s been a joke since 2004 (much more obvious since 2014)…I can’t believe this is even a conversation…every team races on every track against each other all year. So everyone sees the competition and the best at the end is the champion…it’s not always going to be flashy, but it’ll be legitimate and authentic
I wish they would go back
Rip playoffs, bye Phoenix final.
Bye stages and Gen7.
Controversy happens every year and nascar won’t change a thing. (Please end our suffering)
20 and 24 should have lost a lap. And I am not a Larson fan.
What is the difference between what Austin Dillon and Bubba Wallace did differently than what Clint Boyer did when he spun out to get his team partner Martin Truex Jr. to try to get him in the playoffs years ago? Nothing except the penalties accessed by NASCAR. The playoffs system sucks. The best drivers don't get to compete for a championship.
That's a shame really an awesome race for Martinsville of late All ruined by this BS and no I don't think there should even be any kind of chase format or anything get rid of it all together points all year long one point per position give to race winner five extra points in second place or something and just leave it at that for the whole season that an exciting enough for no one go watch golf
Truly a shame. Was a fantastic race but it will be overlooked.
Bubba Wallace not only slowed down on the backstretch, but also on the front stretch taking the white flag. He slowed so much he was forced 4 wide going through 1 & 2.
Yea an 6 cars would passed Byron if Chevys didn’t block both lanes bell would been in if everyone for themselves
@Staysick17 I don't think so. If bubba had kept race pace, bell would have never passed him on the last lap. They were both a lap down so all the other cars bell passed didn't matter.
I don't get how in the world so many calls are sooo late, the tire this race, the Xfinity car at the roval, the weird indy caution. Like how?! Do they watch the tv broadcast or why are they so slow, an btw sometimes they are like cowboys an throw the yellow when a car clips the wall.
I think part of the issue is there are so many rules now in NASCAR that they are having to cross check themselves to make sure they are accurate in their own rules. Which I appreciate, but it also brings up another concern that the sport is over regulated.
I think part of the off-season needs to be spent with all NASCAR officials reviewing the rulebook and making sure everybody has the exact same understanding of how these rules should be applied
@AboveTheYellowLine yeah I guess so. I think it's just weird for what I assume is a pretty big organization.
@ I get that for sure
I was thinking about that today and there may be something worth pointing out in NASCAR's defense regarding the Martinsville tire incident. I assume they do have the TV broadcast available, but would they be able to monitor the audio? NBC wasn't able to show the tire rolling before they took the green flag. Steve Letarte spotted it, and it was only moments ahead of the restart. Even if they have people monitoring the audio, the NBC booth only caught that tire rolling loose a few seconds before green. The Xfinity situation at the Roval was worse. That was an obvious issue that the TV broadcast showed well before the yellow and there was also no good reason to wait on that one.
Perhaps the scoring on restarts shouldn't be official until they reach half a lap. It would basically be equivalent to calling off a restart, and they wouldn't have to re-choose so it would save time.
@@ravagingwolverine666 I think that is kinda another part of the problem I am having with the slowness, I mean they must have officials all around the track and some should be watching the cameras, we know that the cameras are watching from a lot of angles, but why would there ever be a scenario where a official is like "oh guys there is a tire loose, can somebody confirm if I am wrong." And then to much time passes before someone calls the caution. Sure I can understand that this loose tire is a bit of a weird situation when there is already a yellow, not easy to throw a yellow when already yellow :) but i feel like shouldn't nascar kinda trust their officials more and let them actually have more "control", and of course I have no idea how it works now, but it feels like there is only one person able to throw cautions, and of course that means some pipeline of communicating to that person, while they all should have that big button.
So Bell didn't mean to do it. Yet what was that bowtie tweet about?
Scrap the stupid playoffs already. They are making it easy to cancel my Directv.
How is it broken? Playoffs are meant to create chaos. Crowning a champion by late August is not the way either. Other sports regular seasons don't crown a champion. What's wrong with nascar is that the fans and the sport aren't worried about growing the sport they are only worried if their driver wins the championship. Last year's playoff ratings were garbage bcuz elliott wasn't in it. Chastain wasn't in it this year but I've watched every race and mostly (besides bristol and the last 10 laps yesterday) the races have been captivating. Race manipulation however needs to go. Put the hammer down on the 1, 3 and 23
I totally understand you and I don't think this is that big of a deal and it's getting blown way out of proportion. I've been watching the sport of longer than a lot of these UA-camrs have been alive and I've seen the sports best days and has seen its worst days and by far yesterday was not the worst day I've ever seen and if we're going to talk race manipulation and not doing it they do it all the time and F1 and if we want to get real technical about it 2001 Daytona 500 so it happens and it happens all the time to try to stop at like this is just asinine on the sport I thought that's what I also like you said the playoffs were supposed to be here about strategy and when they're on TNT wasn't it about drama so whatever NASCAR you wonder why you're killing the sport
Right!!!
I get it,it's made for entertainment purposes and drama and stories but it's creating chaos, manipulation and bias,if nascar wants to take themselves seriously once again they need to get back to legitimacy.
I think more so, the sport is more worried about retaining fans through the entire season, thus, we have this playoff format.
When any driver has a chance to make it to the next round of the playoffs or into the playoffs with “win and in” it keeps an audience invested in the chaos.
The entertainment value of this playoff format cannot be understated. It has provided NASCAR in its fans great value. But at the same time, I think it’s also hurt the sport when we talk about the legitimacy of the champion. The fans want to be entertained, but we also want to have, a champion that we feel is worthy of the title based off of a full season of consistent racing.
This format is very hard to reward both and I think that is why people are frustrated.
The playoff is not a good fit for racing. Every race is different. They all need something to race for. Just have a four car heat race. Lol. Not at the top tier
This is a great channel! Go Reddick.
Anyone but Reddick! Preferably Blaney over the others, he's the one contender of the four who really has no dirt on him, IMO
chevrolet totally screwed christopher bell. all bell did was drive hard and hit the wall, he can't control the bs other teams and drivers do to manipulate a race. had chevrolet not starting manipulating the outcome, bell would be in, no issue. he's had some time to see what actually happened, and i bet he's fuming today. i'm not even christopher bell, and i'm kinda pissed.
Intent is irrelevant. "I didn't mean to speed on pit road." "I didn't mean to jump the restart." "I didn't mean to jump over the wall too early." "I didn't mean to drive through too many pit stalls." Those wouldn't be acceptable reasons- to any fan- to overturn those in-race violations. It's not a reason to ignore Bell's in-race violation here. He broke the rule and was penalized per the rulebook. He's -4. DQ the 1, 3, and 23, and he's still -1. Byron is still in. You *probably* can't DQ Bell or Byron for the 1, 3, or 23's choices (but maybe this is what NASCAR should have/could have done to avoid the impression of favoritism). Frankly, I don't think you can DQ the 23. I understand being frustrated, but it'd be a lot more persuasive to remain objective in our critiques. The OEM/team orders is a problem, for sure, but it'd be more constructive to talk about how to fix it rather than sound as though it needs to be fixed because we don't feel good about the outcome of a race. To be clear, I*feel like" both the 20 and 24 should be DQ'd and put Larson in to try and send a message to the garage...but I struggle to be able to make an objective argument to DQ the 24 or the 20 for others actions.
100%. As I’ve had time to reflect my opinions right after Martinsville and review footage from Bell’s in car camera. Though he did not have intent he did ride the wall, which is ultimately in NASCAR‘s discretion, a safety violation, therefore that equates to a penalty.
I do have an issue with the OEM orders and I am sure NASCAR is going to address that sometime this week. I don’t think it’s fair to Bell or Byron for the work of their teammates.
@@ATYLMedia thanks and enjoy the championship race. Thanks for the great content- including this video.
Just tank their views. No reason for me to watch Phoenix
I feel bad that you had to witness that garbage in person. Easily the angriest I had ever been over a race in a very long time. There is one bright side from my POV though: One of my work besties found my rage on Instagram funny to the point where her mom couldn’t figure out what she was laughing at so she explained that her friend from work aka me was so mad 😂😂😂
And she’s damn right I was as I came upstairs after the race and went on a rampage to my family telling them what happened. Wonder what kind of shitshow we’re gonna get this weekend at Phoenix as the perfect ending to what has been an exciting season but for all the wrong reasons unfortunately
why was CBell's move not considered incidental even with smt data: cant have 2 yotas and no chevys
NASCAR championships have meant nothing since 2004
Blaney got in fair and square.
Blaney did 100%. Win and in. No controversy there.
The system sucks
Well, i won't be watching Phoenix. I could care less who wins the championship. The guy i root for won twice as many races than the next guy and doesn't make it. That sucks. But i can't stand any of these 4 drivers. So i think instead of taking 36 weekends of my life a year dedicated to watching my NASCAR. Im gonna go on a nice weekend mini vacay and better luck next year 5 team. This was too disappointing to watch next weekend. 😢 I think they should DQ 20 AND the 24!!
Yeah that's true and Kyle Larson was the best all year along with Tyler Reddick but it was what it was and after everything we saw last night i mean what can you even say anymore about NASCAR like what has happened to the sport the last few years i mean we keep telling NASCAR that they need to get rid of the playoffs because it's unfair to the drivers and the teams and even the fans don't like it for a bunch of reasons and unfortunately NASCAR isn't going to listen to us.
As well as DQing the 23, 1, & 3, plus major fines to all 5 of these teams.
All drivers that were involved should be disqualified and Larson should be in
I am staying with the Dirt track racing not too many fingers in the pie
Nascar is broken. That must have cost Hendrick plenty if he outbid gibbs. The 1 and 3 didn't care about their finish? Where's the competition? Keselowski should have driven through them all.
No playoffs. No nascar. That’s the truth with today’s younger generation.
Regardless of championship format, playoff, chase, or season-long point standing, team/manufacturer order will find a way. Unless you ban radio communication with the drivers, spotters and crew chiefs will find a way to inform their driver of "a faster driver than you" or "are your arms getting tired" to adjust the running order. I think people need to accept that it is part of racing, including NASCAR and any professional series.
The Playoffs put everything down to these hard cutoff races where each round is more desperate. If Byron misses out, there is no Chevy in the championship four. I cannot fault Chevy and Toyota for their actions, and while it leaves fans unhappy, what can be done to police team orders? The Playoff put teams and manufacturers to make this decision, which became apparent yesterday.
Same time, I cannot help but say Bell and his team completely dropped the ball and have to accept they put themselves out of the Championship 4. The best pit crew dropped the ball on the final pit stop; the car was lousy, and Bell could not finish the job.
Completely valid.
Here’s the thing with any format or rule , these teams are smart, and they will continue to find a way to push the boundaries of the rules to give themselves the best advantage possible
go back to the old way... green flag, run all the laps, checkered flag... 3 stages which make commercial money... 10 yellow flag laps before race restarts... been slowly watching less and less... hope next year i can quit nasfarce
Anyone that wins in the playoffs makes the final race no points.
After MTJ’s final race next week,im done with WWE! I mean Nascar. I will follow MTJ when he comes back and races part time. I go to the Kansas Spring race every May. I spend thousands of dollars every year to watch. Im DONE!!! Ya hear me Nascar!
Fire Elton Sawyer
So no bell got a penalty he deserved and let me tell you why yes he drove to hard in the corner drove into the marble and hit the wall but every drivers natural reaction is to let off and get off the wall but he didnt he stayed in the gas riding the wall and yes he did his in car driver data shows it it shows everything bell did when he hit the wall. Now what byron did and car manipulation yes they should lose their spot in the final four for race manipulation and on top of that for some reason its always this oh anything to let a hendrick car in but guess what happens if they decide to strip byron of the final spot larosns in so that is a mute point.
Nascar = WWE
Go back to a season championship.
Cry cry cry. All nascar is nowadays…..
Can’t wait to hear all you people crying when they change the format and the champ is decided with 5 races left…….
That has never happened. At best it was 1 or 2 races never 5
I’d rather have a legit champion over a lucky driver for 2 races be champion.
So, how long can Nascar last. Sponsors are going out of business at an alarming rate.